Re: Petition everyone needs to be aware of..

[Guest guest]

JH....I did, thank you. May be you should join a group that is foolish enough to worship PETA.  ~Arlene

 Circulate your ideas among those who care ...blah blah blah

[Guest guest]

Okay.. I didn't realize trying to get people excited about a raw milk petition

would turn into continuous arguments and attacks. I'm not sure how many of the

people on this group that ***haven't yet commented*** appreciate receiving a

bunch of extra group mails that consist of irrelevant messages (ex: nasty posts)

which could be exchanged through individual e-mails if they choose too.

I'm not crazy about having to sift through all of the " junk " e-mails to get

legitimate information. This group is getting so heated. There's a time and a

place for everything.. I'm just not sure every single person on this yahoo group

enjoys this negativity.

I'm trying to say this as rationally as I can without taking sides (this message

goes out to everyone) because we can all just agree to disagree without having

to get so angry at each other.

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[Guest guest]

.....your right , and I apologize. I have been attacked by " PETA type

people " on several sights and venting on this one because its the only sight

where I am not completely out numbered...its not constructive and we all need to

move on. I'm very sorry and thanks for calling me on it. ~Arlene

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> Okay.. I didn't realize trying to get people excited about a raw milk petition

would turn into continuous arguments and attacks. I'm not sure how many of the

people on this group that ***haven't yet commented*** appreciate receiving a

bunch of extra group mails that consist of irrelevant messages (ex: nasty posts)

which could be exchanged through individual e-mails if they choose too.

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> I'm not crazy about having to sift through all of the " junk " e-mails to get

legitimate information. This group is getting so heated. There's a time and a

place for everything.. I'm just not sure every single person on this yahoo group

enjoys this negativity.

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> I'm trying to say this as rationally as I can without taking sides (this

message goes out to everyone) because we can all just agree to disagree without

having to get so angry at each other.

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[Guest guest]

I'm sorry Arlene ! I appreciate your willingness to apologize but I sincerely

didn't intend to single you out personally. I was just trying to find the most

recent message on the topic to voice my concerns. It was meant for the whole

group.

I can understand everyone's frustrations with certain subjects.. esp. when a

person's passionately against or for something. I was just worried that the

whole matter (with everyone) was getting out of hand.

I hope everyone's enjoying the rest of the day !

~

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> ....your right , and I apologize. I have been attacked by " PETA type

people " on several sights and venting on this one because its the only sight

where I am not completely out numbered...its not constructive and we all need to

move on. I'm very sorry and thanks for calling me on it. ~Arlene

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[Guest guest]

Oh, okay. I was a little confused and thought it was about the raw milk

petition. But regardless of the topic, it was rough sifting through some of the

messages though. I don't have a problem with a healthy debate.. people should

be allowed to voice their opinions but when people start name calling.. I think

whatever relevant issues they raise tends to be negated and the focus goes to

the names people throw out. Some topics may be a little more touchy than

others.. but sometimes name calling doesn't help win any favors on anyone's

part, because whoever name calls may not only offend the person it was intended

for.. but it may offend every other member of the group when people in the group

start calling each other offensive things.

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> I think there were 2 suggested petitions.

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> One was for legalizing raw milk, which I signed.

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> And, the other was for mandatory spay and neuter laws, which I objected

> to. And, I more strenuously objected to the manner it was presented and the

> reactions of the presenter.

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> I have also stood up to say I did not think anyone on this list 'vented

> their spleen'.

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> It is sad that we 1) have to be subjected to unreasonable laws that solve

> the wrong problem, and to people who can not allow disagreement.

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> I agree it is sad and a waste of time to HAVE to deal with this stuff, but

> if we stand silently by, our rights and opportunities will be diminished.

> I do not want the government dictating my diet, and I really do not want

> them overseeing every move I make in taking care of my animals. IF and that

> is a very big if the government enforced the laws it already has, we would

> not need more to take care of the small, but highly offensive cases that

> make the media.

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> Ellen Schwab

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[Guest guest]

Hey, I know you were not singling me out, but you were right and I was getting carried away, and I honestly appreciate that you could wake me up without bashing me..I needed a little wake up call...we're all good !   ~Arlene

            

          

                                Live                             " simply "

                              so that                           others may

                              simply                                Live

Arlene

[Guest guest]

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to keep clean.Land in

the Country: private, acreage (for meat goat ranching mainly and

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water or well possible with several acres and will build our dream house for family

of 3, so far. Price is not to exceed 1 million.

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie, Who don't you agree with? You replied with two group member's

previous comments below yours so I'm a bit confused. All I've been saying in my

messages is that I have no problem with debates but I do have a problem with the

whole name calling and verbal attacks from group members to each other through

this group. Name calling and attacks at group members isn't going to help you

with your problems with the government. There's a difference. If you speak

up.. then that's fine.. you may be heard.. but your message won't mean as much

if you name call and it diminishes the value of your words and makes a person

pay more attention to the insults when you really want them to pay attention to

your legitimate message. Some of the names may be offensive to other group

members who haven't been part of the debate but kept getting flooded with

postings that had more insults than legitimate info. I'm not taking sides.

I'm considered a " city slicker " and this is a good point. I find what you just

said offensive even though it wasn't a personal attack at me. That's what I

mean about what you say about people in general.

I won't name call and don't appreciate when people do especially if you don't

think about those you might be offending who are innocent bystanders. It's

different when you say things about an organization than when you lump people

together and label them even though you don't know all of them before making

assumptions. I can't believe how much this debate is stretching when I was

hoping to cool things down a bit to make it fair for all of the members of this

group.

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> >> Okay.. I didn't realize trying to get people excited about a raw milk

petition would turn into continuous arguments and attacks. I'm not sure how

many of the people on this group that ***haven't yet commented*** appreciate

receiving a bunch of extra group mails that consist of irrelevant messages (ex:

nasty posts) which could be exchanged through individual e-mails if they choose

too.

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> >> I'm not crazy about having to sift through all of the " junk " e-mails to

get legitimate information. This group is getting so heated. There's a time

and a place for everything.. I'm just not sure every single person on this yahoo

group enjoys this negativity.

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> >> I'm trying to say this as rationally as I can without taking sides (this

message goes out to everyone) because we can all just agree to disagree without

having to get so angry at each other.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for that Bill. I appreciate it and I really do get how frustrating it

can be. Yes the truth can be offensive. I won't argue with that. I've found

some appalling information regarding some organizations. I just try to do my

own research and fight it (if possible) by what I choose to buy and/or fund.

There's corruption everywhere. It is important to get a point across, esp. if

you have some info you want to share with others to ensure that people don't

blindly follow whatever they believe in. I think that's honorable and I'm sure

everyone has good intentions.

It's insane how things like that even happen. I'm not opposed to people who

feel angered at organizations or the government. I do feel that debates can be

healthy. Everyone should try to find a way to fight for what they believe in if

something is affecting them. I'm all for them ! As long as it's not taken to

a (negative) personal level with each other.. that's when things get out of

control.

So I don't want anyone here holding back on my account except to be mindful of

things like negative stereotypes/prejudices (sayings/phrases) about groups of

people based on their: age/weight/height/appearance/religion/race/where they

were raised. These things don't define our character or how we behave & yet

it's still used to describe certain people in general. I think we're all the

same and intend to teach my daughter and unborn child that. We're already

divided into us vs. them (government/organizations/ect.) . It doesn't help for

us to divide ourselves from each other too.. The best way to fight a good fight

is to try to work together.

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> Hi , 

> Since I offended you are any other person personally  with what I've said on

this website I do truly apologize.  It was not my intent to insult

or lam-bast anyone.  Apparently I did not represent my thoughts clearly. What

offends me are other peoples ideas that have hidden agendas to take away the

freedoms that we so dearly hold. If this were not the case we wouldn't even need

a website like this. It was never my intentions to offend but sometimes the

truth is offensive and I don't apologize for that.  In the future I will be

more careful. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. 

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