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Doctor disputes autism, vaccine link

In his new book, author says his life has been threatened as a result

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Doctor challenges autism, vaccine link

Oct. 30: NBC chief medical editor Dr. Snyderman tells the

story of one doctor who believes vaccines are not to blame for

autism.

Today show

TODAY

updated 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

In his book, " Autism's False Prophets, " A. Offit, a national

expert on vaccines, recounts the history of autism and challenges the

idea that vaccines lead to autism. An excerpt.

From the prologue:

Although most of my hate mail mentions my work with Merck on a

rotavirus vaccine, that alone doesn't explain why some people hate

me. A lot of people work with pharmaceutical companies and don't get

hate mail. I suspect that if I had simply continued my career in

research and stayed out of the public's view, I would have escaped

notice. But a series of events at our hospital in the early 1990s led

to what some perceive as my second crime.

In 1991, a measles epidemic swept through Philadelphia. The outbreak

centered on a religious group in the city that chose not to vaccinate

its children. Seven children in that group died of measles, three in

our hospital. Then the virus spread to the surrounding community,

killing two more children, both of whom were too young to have gotten

the measles vaccine. Because modern medicine is often incapable of

preventing diseases, it's enormously frustrating. But the measles

vaccine has been around for more than thirty years. It works and it's

safe. Still, these parents had chosen not to protect their children.

During the next ten years, I saw several children come into our

hospital with pneumonia caused by whooping cough, or severe skin

infections caused by chickenpox, or meningitis caused by the

bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), because their parents

had chosen not to vaccinate them. When I asked why they had made that

choice, they said vaccines were too dangerous: the whooping cough

vaccine caused brain damage, the chickenpox vaccine caused paralysis,

and the Hib vaccine caused diabetes. They had gotten their

information from reports on television or the radio, from articles in

newspapers and magazines, or, most commonly, from the Internet. So,

in October 2000, we started the Vaccine Education Center at the

Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, hoping to counter this

misinformation. Within a couple of years, I was frequently quoted by

the media trying to reassure parents that their concerns about

vaccines were often ill-founded or had been disproved.

Although I received some hate mail for these efforts at reassurance,

nothing matched what happened after the media started to carry the

story that vaccines caused autism. Since the late 1990s, many studies

have shown that the rates of autism are the same in vaccinated and

unvaccinated children. The CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics,

and the Institute of Medicine have all issued statements supporting

these studies. So the notion that vaccines cause autism isn't a

medical controversy. But when I appeared on television and was quoted

in newspaper and magazine articles saying that vaccines didn't cause

autism, my life changed.

During a congressional hearing chaired by Indiana congressman Dan

Burton to investigate the cause of autism, Tierney, a

congressman from Massachusetts, asked if I had vaccinated my own

children. I said I had, stating their names and ages. At the next

break, a member of Tierney's staff came up to me, grabbed my arm, and

pulled me aside. " Never, " he said, breathlessly, " never mention the

names of your own children in front of a group like this

After I appeared on MSNBC, an extreme anti-vaccine activist called

our home; later, our eleven-year-old daughter asked whether I thought

anyone would ever hurt me. While I was on a federal advisory

committee to the CDC — one that had made recommendations about the

use of the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal in vaccines —

I got a death threat. A man from Seattle wrote, " I will hang you by

your neck until you are dead! " I called the CDC, which sent the e-

mail to the Department of Justice, which sent it to the FBI. The

threat was deemed credible, and for the next few years an armed guard

was placed at the back of advisory committee meetings; for the first

few months, he followed me to and from lunch, a gun hanging at his

side. The mail room at my hospital regularly checks my mail for

suspicious letters and packages. In June 2006, I had to walk through

a rally by anti-vaccine protesters at the CDC. People shouted at me.

One put a megaphone in my ear, calling me the devil. Another carried

a placard with the word Terrorist in big red letters under a picture

of me. Just before I emerged from the crowd, a man dressed in a

prisoner's uniform grabbed my jacket and pulled me toward him. I

don't think he wanted to hurt me; he was just excited to be close to

the personification of such evil. I put my hands up in the air and

asked him to please let go of my coat, which he did.

It got worse. While sitting in my office, I got a phone call from a

man who said that he and I shared the same concerns. We both wanted

what was best for our children. He wanted what was best for his son,

giving his name and age. And he presumed I wanted what was best for

my children, giving their names and ages and where they went to

school. His implication was clear. He knew where my children went to

school. Then he hung up.

Some people who believe vaccines cause autism hate me because they

think I'm in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry, that I say

vaccines are safe because I am paid to do it. To them, it is logical

that I would spend twenty-five years working on a rotavirus vaccine —

a vaccine that has the chance of saving hundreds of thousands of

lives every year — so that I could lie about vaccine safety and hurt

children. But the reason I say vaccines don't cause autism is that

they don't. I say this because the false alarm about vaccines and

autism continues to harm a lot of children — harm from not getting

needed vaccines, harm from potentially dangerous treatments to

eliminate mercury, and harm from therapies as absurd as testosterone

ablation and electric shock. I say this because the feared vaccine–

autism link, which has now been disproved, diverts research dollars

from more promising leads. I say this because I care about children

with autism.

I'm not alone in this. Many parents of autistic children are angry

that the media and Congress rarely talk about autism without blaming

vaccines. And although I am certainly a target of some parents'

anger, I simply represent the other side. A special kind of venom is

reserved for parents of autistic children who don't believe that

vaccines are at fault and actively, vigorously, and relentlessly

oppose those who do. You will come to know some of these parents —

the real heroes of this story — in the pages that follow

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Oh, poor poor Pr(Offit)....He's such a victim....NOT!!! The guy

is a greedy, cold-hearted baby killer. Period.

And Snyderman is Evil Incarnate....she should have been fired

ages ago for all her lies. Those are the last two people I would

trust with medical information.

Puke.

> Doctor disputes autism, vaccine link

> In his new book, author says his life has been threatened as a result

> Video

>

>

> Doctor challenges autism, vaccine link

> Oct. 30: NBC chief medical editor Dr. Snyderman tells the

> story of one doctor who believes vaccines are not to blame for

> autism.

> Today show

> TODAY

> updated 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

> In his book, " Autism's False Prophets, " A. Offit, a national

> expert on vaccines, recounts the history of autism and challenges the

> idea that vaccines lead to autism. An excerpt.

>

> From the prologue:

> Although most of my hate mail mentions my work with Merck on a

> rotavirus vaccine, that alone doesn't explain why some people hate

> me. A lot of people work with pharmaceutical companies and don't get

> hate mail. I suspect that if I had simply continued my career in

> research and stayed out of the public's view, I would have escaped

> notice. But a series of events at our hospital in the early 1990s led

> to what some perceive as my second crime.

>

> In 1991, a measles epidemic swept through Philadelphia. The outbreak

> centered on a religious group in the city that chose not to vaccinate

> its children. Seven children in that group died of measles, three in

> our hospital. Then the virus spread to the surrounding community,

> killing two more children, both of whom were too young to have gotten

> the measles vaccine. Because modern medicine is often incapable of

> preventing diseases, it's enormously frustrating. But the measles

> vaccine has been around for more than thirty years. It works and it's

> safe. Still, these parents had chosen not to protect their children.

>

> During the next ten years, I saw several children come into our

> hospital with pneumonia caused by whooping cough, or severe skin

> infections caused by chickenpox, or meningitis caused by the

> bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), because their parents

> had chosen not to vaccinate them. When I asked why they had made that

> choice, they said vaccines were too dangerous: the whooping cough

> vaccine caused brain damage, the chickenpox vaccine caused paralysis,

> and the Hib vaccine caused diabetes. They had gotten their

> information from reports on television or the radio, from articles in

> newspapers and magazines, or, most commonly, from the Internet. So,

> in October 2000, we started the Vaccine Education Center at the

> Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, hoping to counter this

> misinformation. Within a couple of years, I was frequently quoted by

> the media trying to reassure parents that their concerns about

> vaccines were often ill-founded or had been disproved.

> Although I received some hate mail for these efforts at reassurance,

> nothing matched what happened after the media started to carry the

> story that vaccines caused autism. Since the late 1990s, many studies

> have shown that the rates of autism are the same in vaccinated and

> unvaccinated children. The CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics,

> and the Institute of Medicine have all issued statements supporting

> these studies. So the notion that vaccines cause autism isn't a

> medical controversy. But when I appeared on television and was quoted

> in newspaper and magazine articles saying that vaccines didn't cause

> autism, my life changed.

>

> During a congressional hearing chaired by Indiana congressman Dan

> Burton to investigate the cause of autism, Tierney, a

> congressman from Massachusetts, asked if I had vaccinated my own

> children. I said I had, stating their names and ages. At the next

> break, a member of Tierney's staff came up to me, grabbed my arm, and

> pulled me aside. " Never, " he said, breathlessly, " never mention the

> names of your own children in front of a group like this

> After I appeared on MSNBC, an extreme anti-vaccine activist called

> our home; later, our eleven-year-old daughter asked whether I thought

> anyone would ever hurt me. While I was on a federal advisory

> committee to the CDC — one that had made recommendations about the

> use of the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal in vaccines —

> I got a death threat. A man from Seattle wrote, " I will hang you by

> your neck until you are dead! " I called the CDC, which sent the e-

> mail to the Department of Justice, which sent it to the FBI. The

> threat was deemed credible, and for the next few years an armed guard

> was placed at the back of advisory committee meetings; for the first

> few months, he followed me to and from lunch, a gun hanging at his

> side. The mail room at my hospital regularly checks my mail for

> suspicious letters and packages. In June 2006, I had to walk through

> a rally by anti-vaccine protesters at the CDC. People shouted at me.

> One put a megaphone in my ear, calling me the devil. Another carried

> a placard with the word Terrorist in big red letters under a picture

> of me. Just before I emerged from the crowd, a man dressed in a

> prisoner's uniform grabbed my jacket and pulled me toward him. I

> don't think he wanted to hurt me; he was just excited to be close to

> the personification of such evil. I put my hands up in the air and

> asked him to please let go of my coat, which he did.

>

> It got worse. While sitting in my office, I got a phone call from a

> man who said that he and I shared the same concerns. We both wanted

> what was best for our children. He wanted what was best for his son,

> giving his name and age. And he presumed I wanted what was best for

> my children, giving their names and ages and where they went to

> school. His implication was clear. He knew where my children went to

> school. Then he hung up.

>

> Some people who believe vaccines cause autism hate me because they

> think I'm in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry, that I say

> vaccines are safe because I am paid to do it. To them, it is logical

> that I would spend twenty-five years working on a rotavirus vaccine —

> a vaccine that has the chance of saving hundreds of thousands of

> lives every year — so that I could lie about vaccine safety and hurt

> children. But the reason I say vaccines don't cause autism is that

> they don't. I say this because the false alarm about vaccines and

> autism continues to harm a lot of children — harm from not getting

> needed vaccines, harm from potentially dangerous treatments to

> eliminate mercury, and harm from therapies as absurd as testosterone

> ablation and electric shock. I say this because the feared vaccine–

> autism link, which has now been disproved, diverts research dollars

> from more promising leads. I say this because I care about children

> with autism.

> I'm not alone in this. Many parents of autistic children are angry

> that the media and Congress rarely talk about autism without blaming

> vaccines. And although I am certainly a target of some parents'

> anger, I simply represent the other side. A special kind of venom is

> reserved for parents of autistic children who don't believe that

> vaccines are at fault and actively, vigorously, and relentlessly

> oppose those who do. You will come to know some of these parents —

> the real heroes of this story — in the pages that follow

>

>

>

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Yes, I thought it was pretty pathetic that he whined about being threatened, you

put yourself out there. Also he obviously does not have enough sense to keep his

own children protected......I am sure not going to trust him with my child's

health!

> Doctor disputes autism, vaccine link

> In his new book, author says his life has been threatened as a result

> Video

>

>

> Doctor challenges autism, vaccine link

> Oct. 30: NBC chief medical editor Dr. Snyderman tells the

> story of one doctor who believes vaccines are not to blame for

> autism.

> Today show

> TODAY

> updated 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

> In his book, " Autism's False Prophets, " A. Offit, a

national

> expert on vaccines, recounts the history of autism and challenges the

> idea that vaccines lead to autism. An excerpt.

>

> From the prologue:

> Although most of my hate mail mentions my work with Merck on a

> rotavirus vaccine, that alone doesn't explain why some people hate

> me. A lot of people work with pharmaceutical companies and don't get

> hate mail. I suspect that if I had simply continued my career in

> research and stayed out of the public's view, I would have escaped

> notice. But a series of events at our hospital in the early 1990s led

> to what some perceive as my second crime.

>

> In 1991, a measles epidemic swept through Philadelphia. The outbreak

> centered on a religious group in the city that chose not to vaccinate

> its children. Seven children in that group died of measles, three in

> our hospital. Then the virus spread to the surrounding community,

> killing two more children, both of whom were too young to have gotten

> the measles vaccine. Because modern medicine is often incapable of

> preventing diseases, it's enormously frustrating. But the measles

> vaccine has been around for more than thirty years. It works and it's

> safe. Still, these parents had chosen not to protect their children.

>

> During the next ten years, I saw several children come into our

> hospital with pneumonia caused by whooping cough, or severe skin

> infections caused by chickenpox, or meningitis caused by the

> bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), because their parents

> had chosen not to vaccinate them. When I asked why they had made that

> choice, they said vaccines were too dangerous: the whooping cough

> vaccine caused brain damage, the chickenpox vaccine caused paralysis,

> and the Hib vaccine caused diabetes. They had gotten their

> information from reports on television or the radio, from articles in

> newspapers and magazines, or, most commonly, from the Internet. So,

> in October 2000, we started the Vaccine Education Center at the

> Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, hoping to counter this

> misinformation. Within a couple of years, I was frequently quoted by

> the media trying to reassure parents that their concerns about

> vaccines were often ill-founded or had been disproved.

> Although I received some hate mail for these efforts at reassurance,

> nothing matched what happened after the media started to carry the

> story that vaccines caused autism. Since the late 1990s, many studies

> have shown that the rates of autism are the same in vaccinated and

> unvaccinated children. The CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics,

> and the Institute of Medicine have all issued statements supporting

> these studies. So the notion that vaccines cause autism isn't a

> medical controversy. But when I appeared on television and was quoted

> in newspaper and magazine articles saying that vaccines didn't cause

> autism, my life changed.

>

> During a congressional hearing chaired by Indiana congressman Dan

> Burton to investigate the cause of autism, Tierney, a

> congressman from Massachusetts, asked if I had vaccinated my own

> children. I said I had, stating their names and ages. At the next

> break, a member of Tierney's staff came up to me, grabbed my arm, and

> pulled me aside. " Never, " he said, breathlessly, " never

mention the

> names of your own children in front of a group like this

> After I appeared on MSNBC, an extreme anti-vaccine activist called

> our home; later, our eleven-year-old daughter asked whether I thought

> anyone would ever hurt me. While I was on a federal advisory

> committee to the CDC — one that had made recommendations about the

> use of the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal in vaccines —

> I got a death threat. A man from Seattle wrote, " I will hang you by

> your neck until you are dead! " I called the CDC, which sent the e-

> mail to the Department of Justice, which sent it to the FBI. The

> threat was deemed credible, and for the next few years an armed guard

> was placed at the back of advisory committee meetings; for the first

> few months, he followed me to and from lunch, a gun hanging at his

> side. The mail room at my hospital regularly checks my mail for

> suspicious letters and packages. In June 2006, I had to walk through

> a rally by anti-vaccine protesters at the CDC. People shouted at me.

> One put a megaphone in my ear, calling me the devil. Another carried

> a placard with the word Terrorist in big red letters under a picture

> of me. Just before I emerged from the crowd, a man dressed in a

> prisoner's uniform grabbed my jacket and pulled me toward him. I

> don't think he wanted to hurt me; he was just excited to be close to

> the personification of such evil. I put my hands up in the air and

> asked him to please let go of my coat, which he did.

>

> It got worse. While sitting in my office, I got a phone call from a

> man who said that he and I shared the same concerns. We both wanted

> what was best for our children. He wanted what was best for his son,

> giving his name and age. And he presumed I wanted what was best for

> my children, giving their names and ages and where they went to

> school. His implication was clear. He knew where my children went to

> school. Then he hung up.

>

> Some people who believe vaccines cause autism hate me because they

> think I'm in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry, that I say

> vaccines are safe because I am paid to do it. To them, it is logical

> that I would spend twenty-five years working on a rotavirus vaccine —

> a vaccine that has the chance of saving hundreds of thousands of

> lives every year — so that I could lie about vaccine safety and hurt

> children. But the reason I say vaccines don't cause autism is that

> they don't. I say this because the false alarm about vaccines and

> autism continues to harm a lot of children — harm from not getting

> needed vaccines, harm from potentially dangerous treatments to

> eliminate mercury, and harm from therapies as absurd as testosterone

> ablation and electric shock. I say this because the feared vaccine–

> autism link, which has now been disproved, diverts research dollars

> from more promising leads. I say this because I care about children

> with autism.

> I'm not alone in this. Many parents of autistic children are angry

> that the media and Congress rarely talk about autism without blaming

> vaccines. And although I am certainly a target of some parents'

> anger, I simply represent the other side. A special kind of venom is

> reserved for parents of autistic children who don't believe that

> vaccines are at fault and actively, vigorously, and relentlessly

> oppose those who do. You will come to know some of these parents —

> the real heroes of this story — in the pages that follow

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Autism_in_Girls-subscribe

> ------------------------

> Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe@...! Groups Links

>

>

>

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> Yes, I thought it was pretty pathetic that he whined about being

> threatened, you put yourself out there. Also he obviously does not

> have enough sense to keep his own children protected......I am sure

> not going to trust him with my child's health!

And did you catch that outrageous exchange at the end between

Snyderman and Matt Lauer? I'll bet Matt gave her a piece of his mind

after that. She wouldn't want to upset all those Pharma execs who are

lining her pockets to disseminate her lies to the public.

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I disagree.

It's absolutely unacceptable, no matter how much you disagree with someone, to

threaten them physically or threaten their CHILDREN.

That anyone would mock a parent's concern over that, especially, frankly, given

how much we put up with in the name of " You don't understand, you aren't a

parent " (as though parenthood bestows sainthood, thanks for proving,

incidentally, that it doesnt) is not just wrong, but it makes me ill.

Completely dispicable. Go do an empathy check yourselves. Autistic people

wouldn't even dream of condoning such acts, and you call US toxic? Please.

*angry*

Kassiane

>

> > Doctor disputes autism, vaccine link

> > In his new book, author says his life has been

> threatened as a result

> > Video

> >

> >

> > Doctor challenges autism, vaccine link

> > Oct. 30: NBC chief medical editor Dr.

> Snyderman tells the

> > story of one doctor who believes vaccines are not to

> blame for

> > autism.

> > Today show

> > TODAY

> > updated 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

> > In his book, " Autism's False Prophets, "

> A. Offit, a

> national

> > expert on vaccines, recounts the history of autism and

> challenges the

> > idea that vaccines lead to autism. An excerpt.

> >

> > From the prologue:

> > Although most of my hate mail mentions my work with

> Merck on a

> > rotavirus vaccine, that alone doesn't explain why

> some people hate

> > me. A lot of people work with pharmaceutical companies

> and don't get

> > hate mail. I suspect that if I had simply continued my

> career in

> > research and stayed out of the public's view, I

> would have escaped

> > notice. But a series of events at our hospital in the

> early 1990s led

> > to what some perceive as my second crime.

> >

> > In 1991, a measles epidemic swept through

> Philadelphia. The outbreak

> > centered on a religious group in the city that chose

> not to vaccinate

> > its children. Seven children in that group died of

> measles, three in

> > our hospital. Then the virus spread to the surrounding

> community,

> > killing two more children, both of whom were too young

> to have gotten

> > the measles vaccine. Because modern medicine is often

> incapable of

> > preventing diseases, it's enormously frustrating.

> But the measles

> > vaccine has been around for more than thirty years. It

> works and it's

> > safe. Still, these parents had chosen not to protect

> their children.

> >

> > During the next ten years, I saw several children come

> into our

> > hospital with pneumonia caused by whooping cough, or

> severe skin

> > infections caused by chickenpox, or meningitis caused

> by the

> > bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), because

> their parents

> > had chosen not to vaccinate them. When I asked why

> they had made that

> > choice, they said vaccines were too dangerous: the

> whooping cough

> > vaccine caused brain damage, the chickenpox vaccine

> caused paralysis,

> > and the Hib vaccine caused diabetes. They had gotten

> their

> > information from reports on television or the radio,

> from articles in

> > newspapers and magazines, or, most commonly, from the

> Internet. So,

> > in October 2000, we started the Vaccine Education

> Center at the

> > Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, hoping to

> counter this

> > misinformation. Within a couple of years, I was

> frequently quoted by

> > the media trying to reassure parents that their

> concerns about

> > vaccines were often ill-founded or had been disproved.

> > Although I received some hate mail for these efforts

> at reassurance,

> > nothing matched what happened after the media started

> to carry the

> > story that vaccines caused autism. Since the late

> 1990s, many studies

> > have shown that the rates of autism are the same in

> vaccinated and

> > unvaccinated children. The CDC, the American Academy

> of Pediatrics,

> > and the Institute of Medicine have all issued

> statements supporting

> > these studies. So the notion that vaccines cause

> autism isn't a

> > medical controversy. But when I appeared on television

> and was quoted

> > in newspaper and magazine articles saying that

> vaccines didn't cause

> > autism, my life changed.

> >

> > During a congressional hearing chaired by Indiana

> congressman Dan

> > Burton to investigate the cause of autism,

> Tierney, a

> > congressman from Massachusetts, asked if I had

> vaccinated my own

> > children. I said I had, stating their names and ages.

> At the next

> > break, a member of Tierney's staff came up to me,

> grabbed my arm, and

> > pulled me aside. " Never, " he said,

> breathlessly, " never

> mention the

> > names of your own children in front of a group like

> this

> > After I appeared on MSNBC, an extreme anti-vaccine

> activist called

> > our home; later, our eleven-year-old daughter asked

> whether I thought

> > anyone would ever hurt me. While I was on a federal

> advisory

> > committee to the CDC — one that had made

> recommendations about the

> > use of the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal

> in vaccines —

> > I got a death threat. A man from Seattle wrote,

> " I will hang you by

> > your neck until you are dead! " I called the CDC,

> which sent the e-

> > mail to the Department of Justice, which sent it to

> the FBI. The

> > threat was deemed credible, and for the next few years

> an armed guard

> > was placed at the back of advisory committee meetings;

> for the first

> > few months, he followed me to and from lunch, a gun

> hanging at his

> > side. The mail room at my hospital regularly checks my

> mail for

> > suspicious letters and packages. In June 2006, I had

> to walk through

> > a rally by anti-vaccine protesters at the CDC. People

> shouted at me.

> > One put a megaphone in my ear, calling me the devil.

> Another carried

> > a placard with the word Terrorist in big red letters

> under a picture

> > of me. Just before I emerged from the crowd, a man

> dressed in a

> > prisoner's uniform grabbed my jacket and pulled me

> toward him. I

> > don't think he wanted to hurt me; he was just

> excited to be close to

> > the personification of such evil. I put my hands up in

> the air and

> > asked him to please let go of my coat, which he did.

> >

> > It got worse. While sitting in my office, I got a

> phone call from a

> > man who said that he and I shared the same concerns.

> We both wanted

> > what was best for our children. He wanted what was

> best for his son,

> > giving his name and age. And he presumed I wanted what

> was best for

> > my children, giving their names and ages and where

> they went to

> > school. His implication was clear. He knew where my

> children went to

> > school. Then he hung up.

> >

> > Some people who believe vaccines cause autism hate me

> because they

> > think I'm in the pocket of the pharmaceutical

> industry, that I say

> > vaccines are safe because I am paid to do it. To them,

> it is logical

> > that I would spend twenty-five years working on a

> rotavirus vaccine —

> > a vaccine that has the chance of saving hundreds of

> thousands of

> > lives every year — so that I could lie about vaccine

> safety and hurt

> > children. But the reason I say vaccines don't

> cause autism is that

> > they don't. I say this because the false alarm

> about vaccines and

> > autism continues to harm a lot of children — harm

> from not getting

> > needed vaccines, harm from potentially dangerous

> treatments to

> > eliminate mercury, and harm from therapies as absurd

> as testosterone

> > ablation and electric shock. I say this because the

> feared vaccine–

> > autism link, which has now been disproved, diverts

> research dollars

> > from more promising leads. I say this because I care

> about children

> > with autism.

> > I'm not alone in this. Many parents of autistic

> children are angry

> > that the media and Congress rarely talk about autism

> without blaming

> > vaccines. And although I am certainly a target of some

> parents'

> > anger, I simply represent the other side. A special

> kind of venom is

> > reserved for parents of autistic children who

> don't believe that

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Kassiane, you're right--it's not ever okay to threaten a person or his

children.

I do, however, question Offit's honesty in that regard--he could have

exaggerated/made up the idea of a threat.

And parenthood does not bestow sainthood -- but it does bring with it

experiences that non-parents cannot fathom, BECAUSE of the *experience*

itself, which is an experience I didn't fully understand until I became

a parent.

Penny

>

> I disagree.

>

> It's absolutely unacceptable, no matter how much you disagree with

someone, to threaten them physically or threaten their CHILDREN.

>

> That anyone would mock a parent's concern over that, especially,

frankly, given how much we put up with in the name of " You don't

understand, you aren't a parent " (as though parenthood bestows

sainthood, thanks for proving, incidentally, that it doesnt) is not just

wrong, but it makes me ill.

>

> Completely dispicable. Go do an empathy check yourselves. Autistic

people wouldn't even dream of condoning such acts, and you call US

toxic? Please.

>

> *angry*

> Kassiane

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I'm glad I didn't see it--I'd have been brewing angrily about it all day

if I had.

>

>

> And did you catch that outrageous exchange at the end between

> Snyderman and Matt Lauer? I'll bet Matt gave her a piece of his mind

> after that. She wouldn't want to upset all those Pharma execs who are

> lining her pockets to disseminate her lies to the public.

>

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> I'm glad I didn't see it--I'd have been brewing angrily about it

> all day

> if I had.

I had to go to my kickboxing gym and then meditate for an hour

afterwards.... That's the productive way to deal with these

situations, I've found. As my father-in-law often repeats in his

Oklahoma drawl, " People gonna believe what they wanna to believe. "

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I am shocked at you people! How would you feel if you got threats

like that, just for disagreeing and speaking out about what you

believe to be true!

I am pro-life, and I'm disgusted and horrified by abortion clinic

bombings and such. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't

mean you have to condone viciousness against them.

Ettina

>

> > Doctor disputes autism, vaccine link

> > In his new book, author says his life has been threatened as a

result

> > Video

> >

> >

> > Doctor challenges autism, vaccine link

> > Oct. 30: NBC chief medical editor Dr. Snyderman tells the

> > story of one doctor who believes vaccines are not to blame for

> > autism.

> > Today show

> > TODAY

> > updated 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

> > In his book, " Autism's False Prophets, " A. Offit, a

> national

> > expert on vaccines, recounts the history of autism and challenges

the

> > idea that vaccines lead to autism. An excerpt.

> >

> > From the prologue:

> > Although most of my hate mail mentions my work with Merck on a

> > rotavirus vaccine, that alone doesn't explain why some people

hate

> > me. A lot of people work with pharmaceutical companies and don't

get

> > hate mail. I suspect that if I had simply continued my career in

> > research and stayed out of the public's view, I would have escaped

> > notice. But a series of events at our hospital in the early 1990s

led

> > to what some perceive as my second crime.

> >

> > In 1991, a measles epidemic swept through Philadelphia. The

outbreak

> > centered on a religious group in the city that chose not to

vaccinate

> > its children. Seven children in that group died of measles, three

in

> > our hospital. Then the virus spread to the surrounding community,

> > killing two more children, both of whom were too young to have

gotten

> > the measles vaccine. Because modern medicine is often incapable of

> > preventing diseases, it's enormously frustrating. But the measles

> > vaccine has been around for more than thirty years. It works and

it's

> > safe. Still, these parents had chosen not to protect their

children.

> >

> > During the next ten years, I saw several children come into our

> > hospital with pneumonia caused by whooping cough, or severe skin

> > infections caused by chickenpox, or meningitis caused by the

> > bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), because their

parents

> > had chosen not to vaccinate them. When I asked why they had made

that

> > choice, they said vaccines were too dangerous: the whooping cough

> > vaccine caused brain damage, the chickenpox vaccine caused

paralysis,

> > and the Hib vaccine caused diabetes. They had gotten their

> > information from reports on television or the radio, from

articles in

> > newspapers and magazines, or, most commonly, from the Internet.

So,

> > in October 2000, we started the Vaccine Education Center at the

> > Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, hoping to counter this

> > misinformation. Within a couple of years, I was frequently quoted

by

> > the media trying to reassure parents that their concerns about

> > vaccines were often ill-founded or had been disproved.

> > Although I received some hate mail for these efforts at

reassurance,

> > nothing matched what happened after the media started to carry the

> > story that vaccines caused autism. Since the late 1990s, many

studies

> > have shown that the rates of autism are the same in vaccinated and

> > unvaccinated children. The CDC, the American Academy of

Pediatrics,

> > and the Institute of Medicine have all issued statements

supporting

> > these studies. So the notion that vaccines cause autism isn't a

> > medical controversy. But when I appeared on television and was

quoted

> > in newspaper and magazine articles saying that vaccines didn't

cause

> > autism, my life changed.

> >

> > During a congressional hearing chaired by Indiana congressman Dan

> > Burton to investigate the cause of autism, Tierney, a

> > congressman from Massachusetts, asked if I had vaccinated my own

> > children. I said I had, stating their names and ages. At the next

> > break, a member of Tierney's staff came up to me, grabbed my arm,

and

> > pulled me aside. " Never, " he said, breathlessly, " never

> mention the

> > names of your own children in front of a group like this

> > After I appeared on MSNBC, an extreme anti-vaccine activist called

> > our home; later, our eleven-year-old daughter asked whether I

thought

> > anyone would ever hurt me. While I was on a federal advisory

> > committee to the CDC — one that had made recommendations about

the

> > use of the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal in

vaccines —

> > I got a death threat. A man from Seattle wrote, " I will hang you

by

> > your neck until you are dead! " I called the CDC, which sent the e-

> > mail to the Department of Justice, which sent it to the FBI. The

> > threat was deemed credible, and for the next few years an armed

guard

> > was placed at the back of advisory committee meetings; for the

first

> > few months, he followed me to and from lunch, a gun hanging at his

> > side. The mail room at my hospital regularly checks my mail for

> > suspicious letters and packages. In June 2006, I had to walk

through

> > a rally by anti-vaccine protesters at the CDC. People shouted at

me.

> > One put a megaphone in my ear, calling me the devil. Another

carried

> > a placard with the word Terrorist in big red letters under a

picture

> > of me. Just before I emerged from the crowd, a man dressed in a

> > prisoner's uniform grabbed my jacket and pulled me toward him. I

> > don't think he wanted to hurt me; he was just excited to be close

to

> > the personification of such evil. I put my hands up in the air and

> > asked him to please let go of my coat, which he did.

> >

> > It got worse. While sitting in my office, I got a phone call from

a

> > man who said that he and I shared the same concerns. We both

wanted

> > what was best for our children. He wanted what was best for his

son,

> > giving his name and age. And he presumed I wanted what was best

for

> > my children, giving their names and ages and where they went to

> > school. His implication was clear. He knew where my children went

to

> > school. Then he hung up.

> >

> > Some people who believe vaccines cause autism hate me because they

> > think I'm in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry, that I say

> > vaccines are safe because I am paid to do it. To them, it is

logical

> > that I would spend twenty-five years working on a rotavirus

vaccine —

> > a vaccine that has the chance of saving hundreds of thousands of

> > lives every year — so that I could lie about vaccine safety and

hurt

> > children. But the reason I say vaccines don't cause autism is that

> > they don't. I say this because the false alarm about vaccines and

> > autism continues to harm a lot of children — harm from not getting

> > needed vaccines, harm from potentially dangerous treatments to

> > eliminate mercury, and harm from therapies as absurd as

testosterone

> > ablation and electric shock. I say this because the feared

vaccine–

> > autism link, which has now been disproved, diverts research

dollars

> > from more promising leads. I say this because I care about

children

> > with autism.

> > I'm not alone in this. Many parents of autistic children are angry

> > that the media and Congress rarely talk about autism without

blaming

> > vaccines. And although I am certainly a target of some parents'

> > anger, I simply represent the other side. A special kind of venom

is

> > reserved for parents of autistic children who don't believe that

> > vaccines are at fault and actively, vigorously, and relentlessly

> > oppose those who do. You will come to know some of these

parents —

> > the real heroes of this story — in the pages that follow

> >

> >

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To clarify...I am in no way condoning his children being threatened. I just was

angered over his arrogance that he knows Autisim is not caused by

vaccines.....How can he possibly know?? There are so many facets to this. Ok

just want to ask, isn't he threatening other children by putting out such an

arrogant statement?? Other parents may not take into consideration not giving

vaccines b/c of this book/media coverage. Nothing that I have read on any Autism

site/book boasts that they know definitely that vaccines are the cause, only

that it is a link and that genetics has a part in it......(genetics loads the

gun and vaccines pull the trigger). My whole point in posting the interview was

to emphasize that I felt as if we(Autism community) were making some progress

and that this potentially could set things back.His ignorance on making his

childrens identities known should never have come up. If he is presenting facts,

then only the clinical trial

information should be discussed, when he was asked if he vaccinated his

children he gave info. to emphasize his point of vaccines being harmless. If he

wants to be truly scientific he would have totally left his children out of it

and only spoke of the trials, because from a scientific point of view unless his

children were part of the study they would have no significance. He should have

declined to answer stating that they were not part of his research. He did it

for emphasis for his point of view!!! That is what I was referring to when I

said he put himself and his children out there. It doesn't take much to realize

that you cannot make everyone happy and he should have anticipated that someone

would be unhappy with him. They should have not gone to the lengths they did(as

far as the kids) but let's face it not everyone in the world is stable.Sorry,

things went off in a ugly direction

>

> > Doctor disputes autism, vaccine link

> > In his new book, author says his life has been

> threatened as a result

> > Video

> >

> >

> > Doctor challenges autism, vaccine link

> > Oct. 30: NBC chief medical editor Dr.

> Snyderman tells the

> > story of one doctor who believes vaccines are not to

> blame for

> > autism.

> > Today show

> > TODAY

> > updated 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

> > In his book, " Autism's False Prophets, "

> A. Offit, a

> national

> > expert on vaccines, recounts the history of autism and

> challenges the

> > idea that vaccines lead to autism. An excerpt.

> >

> > From the prologue:

> > Although most of my hate mail mentions my work with

> Merck on a

> > rotavirus vaccine, that alone doesn't explain why

> some people hate

> > me. A lot of people work with pharmaceutical companies

> and don't get

> > hate mail. I suspect that if I had simply continued my

> career in

> > research and stayed out of the public's view, I

> would have escaped

> > notice. But a series of events at our hospital in the

> early 1990s led

> > to what some perceive as my second crime.

> >

> > In 1991, a measles epidemic swept through

> Philadelphia. The outbreak

> > centered on a religious group in the city that chose

> not to vaccinate

> > its children. Seven children in that group died of

> measles, three in

> > our hospital. Then the virus spread to the surrounding

> community,

> > killing two more children, both of whom were too young

> to have gotten

> > the measles vaccine. Because modern medicine is often

> incapable of

> > preventing diseases, it's enormously frustrating.

> But the measles

> > vaccine has been around for more than thirty years. It

> works and it's

> > safe. Still, these parents had chosen not to protect

> their children.

> >

> > During the next ten years, I saw several children come

> into our

> > hospital with pneumonia caused by whooping cough, or

> severe skin

> > infections caused by chickenpox, or meningitis caused

> by the

> > bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), because

> their parents

> > had chosen not to vaccinate them. When I asked why

> they had made that

> > choice, they said vaccines were too dangerous: the

> whooping cough

> > vaccine caused brain damage, the chickenpox vaccine

> caused paralysis,

> > and the Hib vaccine caused diabetes. They had gotten

> their

> > information from reports on television or the radio,

> from articles in

> > newspapers and magazines, or, most commonly, from the

> Internet. So,

> > in October 2000, we started the Vaccine Education

> Center at the

> > Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, hoping to

> counter this

> > misinformation. Within a couple of years, I was

> frequently quoted by

> > the media trying to reassure parents that their

> concerns about

> > vaccines were often ill-founded or had been disproved.

> > Although I received some hate mail for these efforts

> at reassurance,

> > nothing matched what happened after the media started

> to carry the

> > story that vaccines caused autism. Since the late

> 1990s, many studies

> > have shown that the rates of autism are the same in

> vaccinated and

> > unvaccinated children. The CDC, the American Academy

> of Pediatrics,

> > and the Institute of Medicine have all issued

> statements supporting

> > these studies. So the notion that vaccines cause

> autism isn't a

> > medical controversy. But when I appeared on television

> and was quoted

> > in newspaper and magazine articles saying that

> vaccines didn't cause

> > autism, my life changed.

> >

> > During a congressional hearing chaired by Indiana

> congressman Dan

> > Burton to investigate the cause of autism,

> Tierney, a

> > congressman from Massachusetts, asked if I had

> vaccinated my own

> > children. I said I had, stating their names and ages.

> At the next

> > break, a member of Tierney's staff came up to me,

> grabbed my arm, and

> > pulled me aside. " Never, " he said,

> breathlessly, " never

> mention the

> > names of your own children in front of a group like

> this

> > After I appeared on MSNBC, an extreme anti-vaccine

> activist called

> > our home; later, our eleven-year- old daughter asked

> whether I thought

> > anyone would ever hurt me. While I was on a federal

> advisory

> > committee to the CDC — one that had made

> recommendations about the

> > use of the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal

> in vaccines —

> > I got a death threat. A man from Seattle wrote,

> " I will hang you by

> > your neck until you are dead! " I called the CDC,

> which sent the e-

> > mail to the Department of Justice, which sent it to

> the FBI. The

> > threat was deemed credible, and for the next few years

> an armed guard

> > was placed at the back of advisory committee meetings;

> for the first

> > few months, he followed me to and from lunch, a gun

> hanging at his

> > side. The mail room at my hospital regularly checks my

> mail for

> > suspicious letters and packages. In June 2006, I had

> to walk through

> > a rally by anti-vaccine protesters at the CDC. People

> shouted at me.

> > One put a megaphone in my ear, calling me the devil.

> Another carried

> > a placard with the word Terrorist in big red letters

> under a picture

> > of me. Just before I emerged from the crowd, a man

> dressed in a

> > prisoner's uniform grabbed my jacket and pulled me

> toward him. I

> > don't think he wanted to hurt me; he was just

> excited to be close to

> > the personification of such evil. I put my hands up in

> the air and

> > asked him to please let go of my coat, which he did.

> >

> > It got worse. While sitting in my office, I got a

> phone call from a

> > man who said that he and I shared the same concerns.

> We both wanted

> > what was best for our children. He wanted what was

> best for his son,

> > giving his name and age. And he presumed I wanted what

> was best for

> > my children, giving their names and ages and where

> they went to

> > school. His implication was clear. He knew where my

> children went to

> > school. Then he hung up.

> >

> > Some people who believe vaccines cause autism hate me

> because they

> > think I'm in the pocket of the pharmaceutical

> industry, that I say

> > vaccines are safe because I am paid to do it. To them,

> it is logical

> > that I would spend twenty-five years working on a

> rotavirus vaccine —

> > a vaccine that has the chance of saving hundreds of

> thousands of

> > lives every year — so that I could lie about vaccine

> safety and hurt

> > children. But the reason I say vaccines don't

> cause autism is that

> > they don't. I say this because the false alarm

> about vaccines and

> > autism continues to harm a lot of children — harm

> from not getting

> > needed vaccines, harm from potentially dangerous

> treatments to

> > eliminate mercury, and harm from therapies as absurd

> as testosterone

> > ablation and electric shock. I say this because the

> feared vaccine–

> > autism link, which has now been disproved, diverts

> research dollars

> > from more promising leads. I say this because I care

> about children

> > with autism.

> > I'm not alone in this. Many parents of autistic

> children are angry

> > that the media and Congress rarely talk about autism

> without blaming

> > vaccines. And although I am certainly a target of some

> parents'

> > anger, I simply represent the other side. A special

> kind of venom is

> > reserved for parents of autistic children who

> don't believe that

> > vaccines are at fault and actively, vigorously, and

> relentlessly

> > oppose those who do. You will come to know some of

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> > the real heroes of this story — in the pages that

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Read the book. It's full of science. Most people railing against the book won't

touch it (Kim Stagliano asking people to destroy copies without buying on the

Huffington Post is especially charming, but that is neither here nor there).

Also, his anecdotes are just as scientific as yours. In other words, NONE are

science. Correllation =/= causation.

Even giving the impression that it's EVER ok, no matter what the circumstances,

to threaten ANYONE or his children, is appalling. Don't even try to defend it.

It's revolting.

Furthermore, to those saying he lied: you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Especially if you were giving the benifit of the doubt to so called

knows-all-about-autism-except-apparently-that-there-are-autistic-adults-who-she-\

had-just-met- McCarthy. I'm pretty disgusted with this list right now.

Seriously. Go take a good long look in the mirror and how you want your children

treated, and put yourselves in all these peoples' shoes, and think hard about

what you're defending.

That you apparently need someone socially impaired to tell you this speaks

volumes about how caught up in blaming anyone but genetics people are. That's

pretty sick too.

Kassiane,

no really, I'm livid.

> >

> > > Doctor disputes autism, vaccine link

> > > In his new book, author says his life has been

> > threatened as a result

> > > Video

> > >

> > >

> > > Doctor challenges autism, vaccine link

> > > Oct. 30: NBC chief medical editor Dr.

> > Snyderman tells the

> > > story of one doctor who believes vaccines are not

> to

> > blame for

> > > autism.

> > > Today show

> > > TODAY

> > > updated 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

> > > In his book, " Autism's False

> Prophets, "

> > A. Offit, a

> > national

> > > expert on vaccines, recounts the history of

> autism and

> > challenges the

> > > idea that vaccines lead to autism. An excerpt.

> > >

> > > From the prologue:

> > > Although most of my hate mail mentions my work

> with

> > Merck on a

> > > rotavirus vaccine, that alone doesn't explain

> why

> > some people hate

> > > me. A lot of people work with pharmaceutical

> companies

> > and don't get

> > > hate mail. I suspect that if I had simply

> continued my

> > career in

> > > research and stayed out of the public's view,

> I

> > would have escaped

> > > notice. But a series of events at our hospital in

> the

> > early 1990s led

> > > to what some perceive as my second crime.

> > >

> > > In 1991, a measles epidemic swept through

> > Philadelphia. The outbreak

> > > centered on a religious group in the city that

> chose

> > not to vaccinate

> > > its children. Seven children in that group died

> of

> > measles, three in

> > > our hospital. Then the virus spread to the

> surrounding

> > community,

> > > killing two more children, both of whom were too

> young

> > to have gotten

> > > the measles vaccine. Because modern medicine is

> often

> > incapable of

> > > preventing diseases, it's enormously

> frustrating.

> > But the measles

> > > vaccine has been around for more than thirty

> years. It

> > works and it's

> > > safe. Still, these parents had chosen not to

> protect

> > their children.

> > >

> > > During the next ten years, I saw several children

> come

> > into our

> > > hospital with pneumonia caused by whooping cough,

> or

> > severe skin

> > > infections caused by chickenpox, or meningitis

> caused

> > by the

> > > bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib),

> because

> > their parents

> > > had chosen not to vaccinate them. When I asked

> why

> > they had made that

> > > choice, they said vaccines were too dangerous:

> the

> > whooping cough

> > > vaccine caused brain damage, the chickenpox

> vaccine

> > caused paralysis,

> > > and the Hib vaccine caused diabetes. They had

> gotten

> > their

> > > information from reports on television or the

> radio,

> > from articles in

> > > newspapers and magazines, or, most commonly, from

> the

> > Internet. So,

> > > in October 2000, we started the Vaccine Education

> > Center at the

> > > Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, hoping

> to

> > counter this

> > > misinformation. Within a couple of years, I was

> > frequently quoted by

> > > the media trying to reassure parents that their

> > concerns about

> > > vaccines were often ill-founded or had been

> disproved.

> > > Although I received some hate mail for these

> efforts

> > at reassurance,

> > > nothing matched what happened after the media

> started

> > to carry the

> > > story that vaccines caused autism. Since the late

> > 1990s, many studies

> > > have shown that the rates of autism are the same

> in

> > vaccinated and

> > > unvaccinated children. The CDC, the American

> Academy

> > of Pediatrics,

> > > and the Institute of Medicine have all issued

> > statements supporting

> > > these studies. So the notion that vaccines cause

> > autism isn't a

> > > medical controversy. But when I appeared on

> television

> > and was quoted

> > > in newspaper and magazine articles saying that

> > vaccines didn't cause

> > > autism, my life changed.

> > >

> > > During a congressional hearing chaired by Indiana

> > congressman Dan

> > > Burton to investigate the cause of autism,

> > Tierney, a

> > > congressman from Massachusetts, asked if I had

> > vaccinated my own

> > > children. I said I had, stating their names and

> ages.

> > At the next

> > > break, a member of Tierney's staff came up to

> me,

> > grabbed my arm, and

> > > pulled me aside. " Never, " he said,

> > breathlessly, " never

> > mention the

> > > names of your own children in front of a group

> like

> > this

> > > After I appeared on MSNBC, an extreme

> anti-vaccine

> > activist called

> > > our home; later, our eleven-year- old daughter

> asked

> > whether I thought

> > > anyone would ever hurt me. While I was on a

> federal

> > advisory

> > > committee to the CDC — one that had made

> > recommendations about the

> > > use of the mercury-containing preservative

> thimerosal

> > in vaccines —

> > > I got a death threat. A man from Seattle wrote,

> > " I will hang you by

> > > your neck until you are dead! " I called the

> CDC,

> > which sent the e-

> > > mail to the Department of Justice, which sent it

> to

> > the FBI. The

> > > threat was deemed credible, and for the next few

> years

> > an armed guard

> > > was placed at the back of advisory committee

> meetings;

> > for the first

> > > few months, he followed me to and from lunch, a

> gun

> > hanging at his

> > > side. The mail room at my hospital regularly

> checks my

> > mail for

> > > suspicious letters and packages. In June 2006, I

> had

> > to walk through

> > > a rally by anti-vaccine protesters at the CDC.

> People

> > shouted at me.

> > > One put a megaphone in my ear, calling me the

> devil.

> > Another carried

> > > a placard with the word Terrorist in big red

> letters

> > under a picture

> > > of me. Just before I emerged from the crowd, a

> man

> > dressed in a

> > > prisoner's uniform grabbed my jacket and

> pulled me

> > toward him. I

> > > don't think he wanted to hurt me; he was just

> > excited to be close to

> > > the personification of such evil. I put my hands

> up in

> > the air and

> > > asked him to please let go of my coat, which he

> did.

> > >

> > > It got worse. While sitting in my office, I got a

> > phone call from a

> > > man who said that he and I shared the same

> concerns.

> > We both wanted

> > > what was best for our children. He wanted what

> was

> > best for his son,

> > > giving his name and age. And he presumed I wanted

> what

> > was best for

> > > my children, giving their names and ages and

> where

> > they went to

> > > school. His implication was clear. He knew where

> my

> > children went to

> > > school. Then he hung up.

> > >

> > > Some people who believe vaccines cause autism

> hate me

> > because they

> > > think I'm in the pocket of the pharmaceutical

> > industry, that I say

> > > vaccines are safe because I am paid to do it. To

> them,

> > it is logical

> > > that I would spend twenty-five years working on a

> > rotavirus vaccine —

> > > a vaccine that has the chance of saving hundreds

> of

> > thousands of

> > > lives every year — so that I could lie about

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> > > children. But the reason I say vaccines don't

> > cause autism is that

> > > they don't. I say this because the false

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> > about vaccines and

> > > autism continues to harm a lot of children —

> harm

> > from not getting

> > > needed vaccines, harm from potentially dangerous

> > treatments to

> > > eliminate mercury, and harm from therapies as

> absurd

> > as testosterone

> > > ablation and electric shock. I say this because

> the

> > feared vaccine–

> > > autism link, which has now been disproved,

> diverts

> > research dollars

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> > about children

> > > with autism.

> > > I'm not alone in this. Many parents of

> autistic

> > children are angry

> > > that the media and Congress rarely talk about

> autism

> > without blaming

> > > vaccines. And although I am certainly a target of

> some

> > parents'

> > > anger, I simply represent the other side. A

> special

> > kind of venom is

> > > reserved for parents of autistic children who

> > don't believe that

> > > vaccines are at fault and actively, vigorously,

> and

> > relentlessly

> > > oppose those who do. You will come to know some

> of

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> > > the real heroes of this story — in the pages

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PennY yes parenting is of like autism if you do not live it is of hard

to understand all the intricate parts of it. If one is of not autistic

they can be of only partially grasp the whole complexity of being

autistic 24/7 but if one is of not a parent they too cannot be to fully

understand of the complexities of being a parent 24/7. it is of through

the experiences that it causes us to speak with different views.

But also being of a parent is of expressed in the gray areas meaning

each experience is of so different from each other just as auitsm is of

expressed so differently too. and yet all parents have of things in

common even if it is of expressed differently.

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Kassianne,

It's appalling to threaten anyone's children b/c of the parents' views, or

for any reason.

It feels to me that you're lumping everyone on this list together for some

comments made by individuals. I didn't think it was made as a strong

statement, more as a commentary that he shouldn't have mentioned his

children & unfortunately, that has put his family in danger from some

fanatics. Hopefully, nothing will happen to his family b/c of his

statements/appearances in public.

It's unfortunate about your experience with . She is a very driven mom

& also when you're in the public eye, things can get distorted. Even if she

did say to you that adults with autism don't exist, obviously you & the

others she met on the spectrum exist, so do you really think she said that

you don't exist? Is she saying that you're a figment of imagination?

Sometimes sound bites can't expound your whole thought. I'm not trying to

defend her if that's what you're thinking & getting mad over it, just that

one person can't always explain themselves to another person & even more so

to the public & you can't spend one on one explaining your whole way of

thinking.

Marie A.

> Furthermore, to those saying he lied: you should be ashamed of yourselves.

> Especially if you were giving the benifit of the doubt to so called

>

knows-all-about-autism-except-apparently-that-there-are-autistic-adults-who-she-\

had-just-met-

> McCarthy. I'm pretty disgusted with this list right now.

>

> Seriously. Go take a good long look in the mirror and how you want your

> children treated, and put yourselves in all these peoples' shoes, and think

> hard about what you're defending.

>

> That you apparently need someone socially impaired to tell you this speaks

> volumes about how caught up in blaming anyone but genetics people are.

> That's pretty sick too.

>

> Kassiane,

> no really, I'm livid.

>

>

> --

> Marie A.

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marie sometimes with autism all things can be of like a pixel and we

see each of those pixels as sharply as we see the whole picture.

it isof hard for us to let go of one pixel that seems to interfer with

the visual distortions of the whole.

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>

> I am shocked at you people! How would you feel if you got threats

> like that, just for disagreeing and speaking out about what you

> believe to be true!

I agree with you. Some of the people on this list have said that it's

not OK to threaten the man's children, but they don't say anything

against threating the doctor himself, as though it's OK to threaten

ANYBODY for this! They have inadvertently proved some of his point.

If somebody states their opinion that vaccines do cause autism, or

don't cause it, or that vaccines are actually made from melted

radioactive lollipops, or whatever, NOBODY should be threatened! Not

the doctor or his family. Some of us in the autism community have

seriously lost touch with reality here.

Let's stop demonizing people on either side of this issue. Doctors

who support vaccines are not simply out to make big bucks from

pharmaceutical companies, drooling over the possibility of making

money off of our child's misery. (Not unless you've got bank records

to prove it, anyway.) Parents who choose not to vaccinate are not

ignorant, calloused idiots more concerned with their agenda then their

children's safety. We're all just trying to help our kids. Can't we

disagree respectfully with each other?

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Tita I to not understand of this thread so I to be of not commenting on

it because this is of one of those things where the words and social

standards and or thinking is of advanced and not clear to me. I to not

get of things and so have found it better to not say of words if not

aware of who the people are or what the issues is of to be and things

of that.

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but they don't say anything

against threating the doctor himself, as though it's OK to threaten

ANYBODY for this!

For myself, just b/c I didn't say I think it's appalling that he got threats

makes it OK, I just was responding to the comment about threats being made

to the children. You're right, no one should be threatening anyone, period,

but just b/c it wasn't mentioned, doesn't mean it was condoned. When you

write something you can't possibly address everything in a post or read into

it.

Marie A.

>

> >

> > I am shocked at you people! How would you feel if you got threats

> > like that, just for disagreeing and speaking out about what you

> > believe to be true!

>

> I agree with you. Some of the people on this list have said that it's

> not OK to threaten the man's children, but they don't say anything

> against threating the doctor himself, as though it's OK to threaten

> ANYBODY for this! They have inadvertently proved some of his point.

> If somebody states their opinion that vaccines do cause autism, or

> don't cause it, or that vaccines are actually made from melted

> radioactive lollipops, or whatever, NOBODY should be threatened! Not

> the doctor or his family. Some of us in the autism community have

> seriously lost touch with reality here.

>

> Let's stop demonizing people on either side of this issue. Doctors

> who support vaccines are not simply out to make big bucks from

> pharmaceutical companies, drooling over the possibility of making

> money off of our child's misery. (Not unless you've got bank records

> to prove it, anyway.) Parents who choose not to vaccinate are not

> ignorant, calloused idiots more concerned with their agenda then their

> children's safety. We're all just trying to help our kids. Can't we

> disagree respectfully with each other?

>

>

>

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Actually Tita,

and I BOTH said that it was not acceptable to threaten the Dr. just

because he has different opinions, and I would imagine that others feel that

way even if they've choosen not to enter into the debate.... and of course

I'm equally as sure that there are many more who have not even read this

thread yet to feel one way or the other.

But to say that we've not said anything against the threats against the

doctor himself is just not accurate.

Theresa

>

>

> >

> > I am shocked at you people! How would you feel if you got threats

> > like that, just for disagreeing and speaking out about what you

> > believe to be true!

>

> I agree with you. Some of the people on this list have said that it's

> not OK to threaten the man's children, but they don't say anything

> against threating the doctor himself, as though it's OK to threaten

> ANYBODY for this! They have inadvertently proved some of his point.

> If somebody states their opinion that vaccines do cause autism, or

> don't cause it, or that vaccines are actually made from melted

> radioactive lollipops, or whatever, NOBODY should be threatened! Not

> the doctor or his family. Some of us in the autism community have

> seriously lost touch with reality here.

>

> Let's stop demonizing people on either side of this issue. Doctors

> who support vaccines are not simply out to make big bucks from

> pharmaceutical companies, drooling over the possibility of making

> money off of our child's misery. (Not unless you've got bank records

> to prove it, anyway.) Parents who choose not to vaccinate are not

> ignorant, calloused idiots more concerned with their agenda then their

> children's safety. We're all just trying to help our kids. Can't we

> disagree respectfully with each other?

>

>

>

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>

> Oh, poor poor Pr(Offit)....He's such a victim....NOT!!! The guy

> is a greedy, cold-hearted baby killer. Period.

>

> And Snyderman is Evil Incarnate....she should have been fired

> ages ago for all her lies. Those are the last two people I would

> trust with medical informatio

Can we please get some semblance of sanity here? There isn't a communist

under every bed for heaven's sakes!

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Nope, there is not a communist under every bed, but offit did design a

vaccine that did kill several infants and then pushed for this newest

version, which I believe has killed at least one infant.

And synderman does often give wrong facts and does not disclose that

she receives funding from the pharmaceutical industry. In journalism

one is taught to always disclose any potential conflicts, it evidently

just isn't done.

Debi

> Can we please get some semblance of sanity here? There isn't a communist

> under every bed for heaven's sakes!

>

>

>

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People on this list are defending and even laughing about Dr Offit's kids

getting threatened.

That is abhorrent.

THere is no whitewashing that this is abhorrent.

Mc said in, her own words, that there are no autistic adults.

This is a bald-faced lie, a damaging one.

Also abhorrent.

Also indefensable.

>

> Subject: Re: Did anyone hear this on the Today Show this

morning???

> To: Autism_in_Girls

> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 4:39 PM

> Kassianne,

>

> It's appalling to threaten anyone's children b/c of

> the parents' views, or

> for any reason.

>

> It feels to me that you're lumping everyone on this

> list together for some

> comments made by individuals. I didn't think it was

> made as a strong

> statement, more as a commentary that he shouldn't have

> mentioned his

> children & unfortunately, that has put his family in

> danger from some

> fanatics. Hopefully, nothing will happen to his family b/c

> of his

> statements/appearances in public.

>

> It's unfortunate about your experience with . She

> is a very driven mom

> & also when you're in the public eye, things can

> get distorted. Even if she

> did say to you that adults with autism don't exist,

> obviously you & the

> others she met on the spectrum exist, so do you really

> think she said that

> you don't exist? Is she saying that you're a

> figment of imagination?

> Sometimes sound bites can't expound your whole thought.

> I'm not trying to

> defend her if that's what you're thinking &

> getting mad over it, just that

> one person can't always explain themselves to another

> person & even more so

> to the public & you can't spend one on one

> explaining your whole way of

> thinking.

>

> Marie A.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Furthermore, to those saying he lied: you should be

> ashamed of yourselves.

> > Especially if you were giving the benifit of the doubt

> to so called

> >

>

knows-all-about-autism-except-apparently-that-there-are-autistic-adults-who-she-\

had-just-met-

> > McCarthy. I'm pretty disgusted with this list

> right now.

> >

> > Seriously. Go take a good long look in the mirror and

> how you want your

> > children treated, and put yourselves in all these

> peoples' shoes, and think

> > hard about what you're defending.

> >

> > That you apparently need someone socially impaired to

> tell you this speaks

> > volumes about how caught up in blaming anyone but

> genetics people are.

> > That's pretty sick too.

> >

> > Kassiane,

> > no really, I'm livid.

> >

> >

> > --

> > Marie A.

> >

>

>

>

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if this was true, where does that make death threats against anyone AND HIS

CHILDREN ok?????

Anyone who thinks that's acceptable seriously needs to run, not walk, but RUN,

to the nearest psych ward.

>

> Subject: Re: Did anyone hear this on the Today Show this

morning???

> To: Autism_in_Girls

> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:56 PM

> Nope, there is not a communist under every bed, but offit

> did design a

> vaccine that did kill several infants and then pushed for

> this newest

> version, which I believe has killed at least one infant.

>

> And synderman does often give wrong facts and does not

> disclose that

> she receives funding from the pharmaceutical industry. In

> journalism

> one is taught to always disclose any potential conflicts,

> it evidently

> just isn't done.

>

> Debi

>

>

> > Can we please get some semblance of sanity here? There

> isn't a communist

> > under every bed for heaven's sakes!

> >

> >

> >

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I never stated anything about threats to his children or himself is

okay. What I said was:

Nope, there is not a communist under every bed, but offit

> > did design a

> > vaccine that did kill several infants and then pushed for

> > this newest

> > version, which I believe has killed at least one infant.

> >

> > And synderman does often give wrong facts and does not

> > disclose that

> > she receives funding from the pharmaceutical industry. In

> > journalism

> > one is taught to always disclose any potential conflicts,

> > it evidently

> > just isn't done.

>

> >

> > Subject: Re: Did anyone hear this on the Today

Show this morning???

> > To: Autism_in_Girls

> > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:56 PM

> > Nope, there is not a communist under every bed, but offit

> > did design a

> > vaccine that did kill several infants and then pushed for

> > this newest

> > version, which I believe has killed at least one infant.

> >

> > And synderman does often give wrong facts and does not

> > disclose that

> > she receives funding from the pharmaceutical industry. In

> > journalism

> > one is taught to always disclose any potential conflicts,

> > it evidently

> > just isn't done.

> >

> > Debi

> >

> >

> > > Can we please get some semblance of sanity here? There

> > isn't a communist

> > > under every bed for heaven's sakes!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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So where are Kirby's conflicts of interest?

Or Mc's?

If we're going to be condescending and point out double standards, I'm more than

willing to go the whole way with that. This is totally not something that should

even be considered REMOTELY acceptable.

Don't. Threaten. People. It's that simple. No excuses for looking the other way,

no justifications, etc. It's NOT OK.

That it's not being roundly condemned here is pretty disgusting.

>

> Subject: Re: Did anyone hear this on the Today Show this

morning???

> To: Autism_in_Girls

> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 11:27 PM

> I never stated anything about threats to his children or

> himself is

> okay. What I said was:

>

> Nope, there is not a communist under every bed, but offit

> > > did design a

> > > vaccine that did kill several infants and then

> pushed for

> > > this newest

> > > version, which I believe has killed at least one

> infant.

> > >

> > > And synderman does often give wrong facts and

> does not

> > > disclose that

> > > she receives funding from the pharmaceutical

> industry. In

> > > journalism

> > > one is taught to always disclose any potential

> conflicts,

> > > it evidently

> > > just isn't done.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > Subject: Re: Did anyone hear

> this on the Today

> Show this morning???

> > > To: Autism_in_Girls

> > > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:56 PM

> > > Nope, there is not a communist under every bed,

> but offit

> > > did design a

> > > vaccine that did kill several infants and then

> pushed for

> > > this newest

> > > version, which I believe has killed at least one

> infant.

> > >

> > > And synderman does often give wrong facts and

> does not

> > > disclose that

> > > she receives funding from the pharmaceutical

> industry. In

> > > journalism

> > > one is taught to always disclose any potential

> conflicts,

> > > it evidently

> > > just isn't done.

> > >

> > > Debi

> > >

> > >

> > > > Can we please get some semblance of sanity

> here? There

> > > isn't a communist

> > > > under every bed for heaven's sakes!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> >

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Again, Kassi, I never said anything about anyone threatening anyone.

Take that up with those who did it (maybe that's your intent but

you're replying to my messages so I'm assuming you are addressing me,

I apologize if you are not), I was commenting in regards to the

communist under every bed response, which was done in response to

cathy's comment about offit & snyderman.

I wasn't talking about Kirby, I was talking about offit &

snyderman. Do you disagree that offit's rotavirus vaccines killed any

infants or that snyderman provides false information and does not

disclose her payments from pharmaceutical industry? That is the topic

I mentioned, either you agree or disagree which is fine, but it's not

a topic about any other people but them that I am responding to.

Debi

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