Re: A nutritionist told me this

[Guest guest]

No offense I am horrified as well...just thoughty I would try it..I mean if

I really felt better maybe I would do it..maybe

ah then when its time for Steak yum.. Oh well

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[Guest guest]

No offense to anyone....but I'd die if that were to be my diet. I love

cereal, milk, etc.

PS. where the hell has Barbara been????

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> A nutirtionist told me this

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> ( by the way it did make me feel better but hard to stick to it)

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> No Meat..occasional Turkey

> No wheat

> No Dairy

> Pineapple and grapes help inflammation

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> This what she says I should eat

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> Rice and Beans Veggies any...salads etc.. Some fruits as above

> tofu

> Fish

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> Hemp Protein Powder

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> She also said to rotate salad oils...

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> I do believe Barbara in California keeps a strict diet Vegetarian...

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> Anyways... I am going to try this again..

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> Good Morning my friends 636 AM am still dark out...I love when the

> morning sky changes colors to the new day

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> Love

> Liz

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> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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[Guest guest]

Our Chiropractor, he is one of only about 100 drs with Masters Level training in

Nutritional Therapy, says...

Eat meat and lots of veggies

Little fruit (so high in sugar...originally fruit was only eaten in season)

NO Wheat

NO Sugar

Dairy products made from raw milk only (you cannot buy raw milk in MI, but you

can buy cheeses made from raw milk). Once milk is pasteurized, all of the good

enzymes have been killed, too, and it isn't a whole food anymore.

No yellow oils (canola, safflower, etc.). Use olive, nut, and coconut oils.

He tells his diabetic patients to eat no grains at all.

Hope this helps.

Jody

Re: A nutritionist told me this

No offense I am horrified as well...just thoughty I would try it..I mean if

I really felt better maybe I would do it..maybe

ah then when its time for Steak yum.. Oh well

************ **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

http://body. aol.com/fitness/ winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300 000002489

[Guest guest]

" raw milk " ? You gotta be kidding. Louis Pasteur has prevented an enormous

number of sicknesses. We all don't need bacterial poisoning to add to our

woes. Forget the raw milk. Michigan has banned it for a reason.

[Guest guest]

I grew up in a wide school district that had some people from upwards of

20 miles away at the same school. One girl lived on a farm and brought in

raw milk.....so long as it is stored properly and consumed quickly it is OK,

to the best of my knowledge, I actually drank some, and it tasted exactly

like full vitamin D milk. I was also the only kid in the class that tried

" head cheese " and must admit that tasted alright by me. I had an idea of

what it was which is why I don't go out of my way to find it, but if my

survival depended on it I could easily eat it. It tastes pretty damn good,

truth be told. This is coming from a guy who will NOT eat Tripe (and I'm

Italian!) as I was around 10 or 11 and at a church bazaar (remember

those???? whatever happened to them???) where I was an alter boy and I was

helping one of the older women cook and such. The one gave me this bowl of

soup (at least that's what I thought it was) and told me to take a break and

eat it. I loved it, asked her what it was and she told me tripe! I started

to heave, literally. I knew what tripe was, just never saw it before that

day. My mind is certainly screwy!

Adios, Kirk.

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> What I really try is to have a colorful diet and to mix it up....well

> anyways for what it was worth just wanted to tell you what the

> nutritionist said .

>

> Hugs

> Liz

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Jody,

Thought I'd add my 2 cents worth here. We did testing at school in

Microbiology on raw and pasteurized milk. The raw milk (very fresh) was

virtually

bacteria-growth free after 3 days. The pasteurized milk grew several bacteria.

The

bacteria were later determined to be human flora that had gotten into the milk

during pasteurization. Now me, I'm a big fan of pasteurization (but that's

just me). Thought our study at school had interesting results though. One of our

professors is adamant that humans were never meant to drink cow's milk. She

has some pretty convincing arguments. I just can't find anything else to put on

my frosted flakes though! Hope you and Mark are both well tonight!

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[Guest guest]

Wow. You sound like you have a very strong opinion on this. We haven't made

the decision to go to raw milk for drinking (we could by joining a farm co-op),

but we do buy raw milk cheeses sometimes (at the store). I wonder....how much

research have you done on this subject? Your comment seems pretty black and

white to me...have you ever really looked at the pros and cons to make an

educated decision for your family? Personally, I believe that raw milk from

safe sources is by far the healthiest choice, but I'm not willing to take that

risk with small children and Mark's immunity in question. That's our decision

and it seems you and I agree on that so I'm not trying to convince you to change

your mind. However, you may want to open it. Do you no longer eat beef or

spinach or any other foods that have been unfortunate enough to have been linked

to foodborne illness? Eggs, chicken, grapes? What about lunch meats? Those

are awful! I would rather

give my kids a gallon of raw milk every day than a deli meat sandwich!

Listeria! Dairy accounts for only 1% of all food-borne illnesses. The number

one source is produce. Are you going to throw the baby out with the bath water?

Pork and seafood have all been contaminated...as a matter of fact, the job of

seafood is to absorb all of the toxins in water! Do you eat that? Pork in

biblical times had the same purpose. In today's agricultural world, pork is

safe to eat. Maybe technology has advanced enough that raw milk is, too?

Something to think about. Like I said, it is something I am still wavering on

as well, but at least I'm looking into all of my health options. By the way,

what kind of bread do you eat? Whole wheat (bad), 100% whole wheat (bad) or

have you kept up on the research and switched to sprouted grains only?

Some states allow the sale of raw milk, but ALL 50 states DO allow the sale of

raw milk cheeses that have been aged for at least 60 days. Obviously, it is

deemed safe for consumption. Also, commercial milks MUST be pasteurized because

the quality of milk is so poor that it would be harmful to consume otherwise.

Raw milk from properly raised and milked cows (and proper breeds) has less

bacteria parts per million than commercial pasteurized milk. I've seen data

from both sides and from independent sources. Have you?

Also, homogenization (a completely different subject) changes the structure of

the milk. Instead of our bodies absorbing only the fat we need from whole milk,

our bodies are tricked into absorbing all of the fat. In MI, you can buy

non-homogenized, vat-pasteurized milk. That is what we buy for our family to use

in cooking. We do not drink it. However, we have not allowed them to drink raw

milk either. We do allow them to have yogurt made from organically fed, grass

fed goats and cows (you can find this at Whole Foods...Traders Point

Creamery--the link is below). Grass fed beef and yogurt are so very much higher

in nutrients that they are worth the extra cost. That, and from non-dairy

sources, gives our family all the calcium, etc. we need (approved by all the

different docs our family sees BTW).

If anyone wants, you can check out the following sites. I'm sorry I got pretty

pissy in the beginning, but I didn't appreciate your gruff and, obviously,

closed-minded response. I welcome opposing opinions, not rude comments.

Pasteur was a great chemist and did wonderful things, but maybe he could be

wrong about organically-fed, grass-fed cows and responsble farmers? What about

those that said breast milk wasn't safe for our babies? Haven't we learned from

that? And those that said plain wheat bread was good?

My point is this...lets not jump to final conclusions in an area that is

ever-changing. We are learning more and more everyday. Don't we deserve to

stay up-to-date and reserve our right to change our minds?

Happy & Healthy Eating!

Jody (BTW-I am not pure and won't pretend to be. My biggest faults are

over-eating, emotional-eating, and I'm addicted to sugar! I try so hard, but am

never going to be perfect. I just figure if I try hard enough in other

areas---eating as close to what God gave us as possible---it will help to make

up for my faults. Oh, and I have thyroid problems which is only partly

responsble for me being overweight. I also blame the stress in my life...I

gained another 25 pounds after Mark developed SD. But, ultimately, it is my

responsibility...I make bad choices! Just thought I'd put that out there so you

all know that I'm not under the impression that I'm a food saint. I'm just

trying to give my kids the best start I can and passing on what I've learned in

case I can help anyone. You all have been so helpful to me and I have really

come to care about each and every one of you. We all pray for our Stills Family

every night at dinner. It is very cute to

hear our 3 year old pray for you!)

LINKS

Grass-fed beef (we buy ours at Arbor Farms---a local whole food grocery store in

Ann Arbor...the beef is from a local farmer in Manchester and is much less

expensive than this website), but the site gives good info on grass-fed beef in

general. www.uswellnessmeats.com

realmilk.com a website dedicated to the health benefits of raw milk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_raw_milk_debate a site that talks

about both sides and gives links to sites on each side of the fence.

http://www.tpforganics.com/content/view/55/133/ Trader's Point Creamery---Dr.

Kunz states " When animals are raised on pasture and eat the rich greens, they

acquire nutrients that are important to human health: omega-3 fatty acids

conjugated linoleic acids (CLA), beta-carotene and vitamins A and D. When people

eat products, such as: milk, meat and eggs from grass fed animals; research

suggests that the risk of diabetes, obesity, cardiovascular disease and cancer

is reduced.¢

Re: A nutritionist told me this

" raw milk " ? You gotta be kidding. Louis Pasteur has prevented an enormous

number of sicknesses. We all don't need bacterial poisoning to add to our

woes. Forget the raw milk. Michigan has banned it for a reason.

[Guest guest]

, do you like coconut? Try coconut milk on your cereal! You can get a can

of Lite Coconut Milk at Trader Joe's for $.99!! It is yummy! If you like

coconut, of course.

Thanks BTW for the info. Our doc agrees with your prof...that we were never

meant to drink cow's milk anyway. But, I must have ice cream! I suppose I can

make that with coconut milk, too, can't I? Oh, well. Coldstone Creamery calls

my sometimes as I drive by and I can't possibly make everything from scratch

anymore...Mark with SD, and 3 kids 6 and under. Nope, not gonna happen! LOL

Jody

Re: Re: A nutritionist told me this

Hey Jody,

Thought I'd add my 2 cents worth here. We did testing at school in

Microbiology on raw and pasteurized milk. The raw milk (very fresh) was

virtually

bacteria-growth free after 3 days. The pasteurized milk grew several bacteria.

The

bacteria were later determined to be human flora that had gotten into the milk

during pasteurization. Now me, I'm a big fan of pasteurization (but that's

just me). Thought our study at school had interesting results though. One of our

professors is adamant that humans were never meant to drink cow's milk. She

has some pretty convincing arguments. I just can't find anything else to put on

my frosted flakes though! Hope you and Mark are both well tonight!

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[Guest guest]

Truthfully, I haven't done much research into this at all, just had a few

friends who lived on or worked for a farm. I find what you wrote to be very

informative and interesting. Truth be told, we never really knew of anything

different than what we (my family) has always done. I knew about some of

this as I grew up with a few farm boys & girls. I got along with them more

so than most others as I was always a big outdoorsman...the only thing I

never got into was hunting (long story..but I'd be able to kill a human

before a deer unless I was relying on it for food....but I am 100% FOR

hunters & hunting (almost all of my friends hunt, and I get a bunch of meat

every year)) and we tended to have a bit more in common than a lot of

people. Where I went to high school the clothes you wore & the car you drove

made a difference. That's why I was coined the Jock that hated Jocks....I

used to beat the hell out of people who'd pick on others or who just didn't

lke me for one reason or another...again Loooonnnngggg story. I just didn't

fit in the " in " crowd.....but each of them knew more about me than I ever

will about them. My principal loved me, he liked the " standards " I set as he

put it. I have to laugh as I became good friends with that man after so many

damn " visits " to his office for a multitiude of reasons... my fondest being

one kid whose parents had bought him a new " Vette when he turned 16 parked

next to my hunk of shit one morning, got out, laughed and said " Nice

car " ...I called him over, told him I had something he had to see......I

pointed to a spot on the hood and told him " take a close look at that " and

when he did I drove his head into my hood very hard, making his nose

bleed.....I than said.. " Do you like it now????!!! " and walked away laughing.

Sorry to veer off of the subject, but that's where this led to at this

crazy hour in the morning.

Adios, Kirk

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> Wow. You sound like you have a very strong opinion on this. We haven't

> made the decision to go to raw milk for drinking (we could by joining a farm

> co-op), but we do buy raw milk cheeses sometimes (at the store). I

> wonder....how much research have you done on this subject? Your comment

> seems pretty black and white to me...have you ever really looked at the pros

> and cons to make an educated decision for your family? Personally, I

> believe that raw milk from safe sources is by far the healthiest choice, but

> I'm not willing to take that risk with small children and Mark's immunity in

> question. That's our decision and it seems you and I agree on that so I'm

> not trying to convince you to change your mind. However, you may want to

> open it. Do you no longer eat beef or spinach or any other foods that have

> been unfortunate enough to have been linked to foodborne illness? Eggs,

> chicken, grapes? What about lunch meats? Those are awful! I would rather

> give my kids a gallon of raw milk every day than a deli meat

> sandwich! Listeria! Dairy accounts for only 1% of all food-borne

> illnesses. The number one source is produce. Are you going to throw the

> baby out with the bath water? Pork and seafood have all been

> contaminated...as a matter of fact, the job of seafood is to absorb all of

> the toxins in water! Do you eat that? Pork in biblical times had the same

> purpose. In today's agricultural world, pork is safe to eat. Maybe

> technology has advanced enough that raw milk is, too? Something to think

> about. Like I said, it is something I am still wavering on as well, but at

> least I'm looking into all of my health options. By the way, what kind of

> bread do you eat? Whole wheat (bad), 100% whole wheat (bad) or have you

> kept up on the research and switched to sprouted grains only?

>

> Some states allow the sale of raw milk, but ALL 50 states DO allow the

> sale of raw milk cheeses that have been aged for at least 60

> days. Obviously, it is deemed safe for consumption. Also, commercial milks

> MUST be pasteurized because the quality of milk is so poor that it would be

> harmful to consume otherwise. Raw milk from properly raised and milked cows

> (and proper breeds) has less bacteria parts per million than commercial

> pasteurized milk. I've seen data from both sides and from independent

> sources. Have you?

>

> Also, homogenization (a completely different subject) changes the

> structure of the milk. Instead of our bodies absorbing only the fat we need

> from whole milk, our bodies are tricked into absorbing all of the fat. In

> MI, you can buy non-homogenized, vat-pasteurized milk. That is what we buy

> for our family to use in cooking. We do not drink it. However, we have not

> allowed them to drink raw milk either. We do allow them to have yogurt made

> from organically fed, grass fed goats and cows (you can find this at Whole

> Foods...Traders Point Creamery--the link is below). Grass fed beef and

> yogurt are so very much higher in nutrients that they are worth the extra

> cost. That, and from non-dairy sources, gives our family all the calcium,

> etc. we need (approved by all the different docs our family sees BTW).

>

> If anyone wants, you can check out the following sites. I'm sorry I got

> pretty pissy in the beginning, but I didn't appreciate your gruff and,

> obviously, closed-minded response. I welcome opposing opinions, not rude

> comments. Pasteur was a great chemist and did wonderful things, but maybe

> he could be wrong about organically-fed, grass-fed cows and responsble

> farmers? What about those that said breast milk wasn't safe for our

> babies? Haven't we learned from that? And those that said plain wheat

> bread was good?

>

> My point is this...lets not jump to final conclusions in an area that is

> ever-changing. We are learning more and more everyday. Don't we deserve to

> stay up-to-date and reserve our right to change our minds?

>

> Happy & Healthy Eating!

>

> Jody (BTW-I am not pure and won't pretend to be. My biggest faults are

> over-eating, emotional-eating, and I'm addicted to sugar! I try so hard,

> but am never going to be perfect. I just figure if I try hard enough in

> other areas---eating as close to what God gave us as possible---it will help

> to make up for my faults. Oh, and I have thyroid problems which is only

> partly responsble for me being overweight. I also blame the stress in my

> life...I gained another 25 pounds after Mark developed SD. But, ultimately,

> it is my responsibility...I make bad choices! Just thought I'd put that out

> there so you all know that I'm not under the impression that I'm a food

> saint. I'm just trying to give my kids the best start I can and passing on

> what I've learned in case I can help anyone. You all have been so helpful

> to me and I have really come to care about each and every one of you. We

> all pray for our Stills Family every night at dinner. It is very cute to

> hear our 3 year old pray for you!)

>

> LINKS

>

> Grass-fed beef (we buy ours at Arbor Farms---a local whole food grocery

> store in Ann Arbor...the beef is from a local farmer in Manchester and is

> much less expensive than this website), but the site gives good info on

> grass-fed beef in general. www.uswellnessmeats.com

>

> realmilk.com a website dedicated to the health benefits of raw milk

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_raw_milk_debate a site that

> talks about both sides and gives links to sites on each side of the fence.

>

> http://www.tpforganics.com/content/view/55/133/ Trader's Point

> Creamery---Dr. Kunz states " When animals are raised on pasture and eat the

> rich greens, they acquire nutrients that are important to human health:

> omega-3 fatty acids conjugated linoleic acids (CLA), beta-carotene and

> vitamins A and D. When people eat products, such as: milk, meat and eggs

> from grass fed animals; research suggests that the risk of diabetes,

> obesity, cardiovascular disease and cancer is reduced.¢

>

>

>

>

> Re: A nutritionist told me this

>

> " raw milk " ? You gotta be kidding. Louis Pasteur has prevented an enormous

> number of sicknesses. We all don't need bacterial poisoning to add to our

> woes. Forget the raw milk. Michigan has banned it for a reason.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jody,

Thanks for all the nutrition info. It's something I've been wanting to

look into, but with all my health problems am on information

overload. I've been keeping your emails with the research you have

sent so I can read them over and absorb the info.

I notice you said you have thyroid problems. I have Hashimoto's.

Since you are a researcher, you have probably found the info on

thyroid disease and soy. In case you haven't, however, I wanted to

mention that soy is bad for those with thyroid disease. Once I

learned that and cut soy out of my diet, boy did I see a difference in

some of my symptoms. Brain fog was much better, aches and pains

better, etc. Shomon is a goddess on the thyroid stuff.

Houston