Re: elections

[Guest guest]

Oh Sondra we needed this change

i hope your tears will be happy tears

Subject: elections

To: Autism_in_Girls

Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:02 AM

I to be of so much into tears over this night of elections and cant

seem to stop of those tears from coming over and over. I to not be of

to know of why they are of there in complete but just feel like it is

of happy but coming out as sad. I to feel americans did what is of

right in this time and lifes journey. My heart is of just to feel as

if America is of growing into the truths of the begin of our history

here of bring all beings as an equal and so this is of to me a

justice well served. it was not about race, or party or heritage it

was about character and hope. it feels like the day I to gave of

birth to my first baby. that long wait the labor the fears and then

the new that changes and the foundation of a new life that would come

with much good and bad and so even in him we will see that he willnot

always be of favored by all and some will hate of him but in this he

still has united somuch and bringed of so much hope to many cultures,

faiths, ages, genders, and such. so if this is of this elect amounts

too he still did more than any other has done so far....

I to also understand and feel from my heart the loss to those who

were of wanting a differnet outcome. I to pray for you strength and

courage in this to trust that this might be of hard in the begin and

so many cannot be of wrong to want of hope and change and we are of

all in this together.

sondra

[Guest guest]

>

> I to be of so much into tears over this night of elections and cant

> seem to stop of those tears from coming over and over. I to not be of

> to know of why they are of there in complete but just feel like it is

> of happy but coming out as sad. I to feel americans did what is of

> right in this time and lifes journey. My heart is of just to feel as

> if America is of growing into the truths of the begin of our history

> here of bring all beings as an equal and so this is of to me a

> justice well served. it was not about race, or party or heritage it

> was about character and hope.

I feel the same way! Tears come with any overwhelming emotion I am

overwhelmed and happy and teary too! We need the change, and we need

the hope.

Amnesty

[Guest guest]

unfortunately the change isn't going to be as well for all people. we are a

small business unlike what Obama said his numbers aren't reality or

mathematical. his tax increase does according to the IRS affect 2/3rds of small

businesses. we were in wait to see the results as whether we were going to

expand or to scale back depending on this election. scaling back is the decision

based on the election results. we let go?of five people tomorrow.

elections

To: Autism_in_Girls

Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:02 AM

I to be of so much into tears over this night of elections and cant

seem to stop of those tears from coming over and over. I to not be of

to know of why they are of there in complete but just feel like it is

of happy but coming out as sad. I to feel americans did what is of

right in this time and lifes journey. My heart is of just to feel as

if America is of growing into the truths of the begin of our history

here of bring all beings as an equal and so this is of to me a

justice well served. it was not about race, or party or heritage it

was about character and hope. it feels like the day I to gave of

birth to my first baby. that long wait the labor the fears and then

the new that changes and the foundation of a new life that would come

with much good and bad and so even in him we will see that he willnot

always be of favored by all and some will hate of him but in this he

still has united somuch and bringed of so much hope to many cultures,

faiths, ages, genders, and such. so if this is of this elect amounts

too he still did more than any other has done so far....

I to also understand and feel from my heart the loss to those who

were of wanting a differnet outcome. I to pray for you strength and

courage in this to trust that this might be of hard in the begin and

so many cannot be of wrong to want of hope and change and we are of

all in this together.

sondra

[Guest guest]

i don't think as much. it doesn't matter that we are letting some

employees go and scaling back in business but i felt him to ba a lie.

i guess he lost me some time ago when watching him on tv his stories

kept changing and i couldn't trust him anymore. but i guess his

history in chicago and his stand on not having babies who survived

abortion to not receive medical attention and slowly die grieved me

to no end. i just knew he was not as he first appeared. but the most

shocking is how much other people don't care and that too was a

revelation to me. i think i'm greived at the person i found him to be

but as well when i tells others people they care not how a baby dies.

i heard from a nurse that a baby survived for a full eight hours and

no one gave it medical attention because of how it was born. not only

was this acceptable to Obama but to many peoples i have shown it too.

like it didn't matter to them either. i felt not knowing is one

thing, but knowing and not caring grieved me the most from people i

thought i knew well.

i guess it this bothers me more than having to fire two people

tomorrow but we're not the only one doing it. many small business

have decided to let go of people depending on the election outcome we

met with our accountant one day when the decision was to either scale

back, maintain the status quo or even expand. Obama was very wrong

about how many small business will be affected, the news kept

reporting it like a false number, a much lower percentage than what

is reality. but the accountant got us together as to what to do as

we'de been holding tight until we ride out things economically. with

obama things are secure we must scale back. the sooner the better.

everyone else is doing the same thing too. it's okay folks can find

work elsewhere. but life well i value that. and whilst i always knew

that the unborn had no rights to life here in the US i always thought

once a baby was born and breathed life and whimpered and cried that

it was alive and had rights. i was wrong. well it is now on a federal

level but he has said he will protect womeon's rights up to the ninth

month and i still find that horrible. but his decision on the born

alive aspect shocked me to tears for days. but the fact that when i

tells people they cared not at all. this bothered me more because

then i don't really know people i thought i knew. mostly i found him

to be a monster but now i find people i thought i knew as monstrous

as well. they just didn't care. Obama is a politician. it won't be

the first time they disapoint me but people i knew and respected?

they saw this and didn't care either. so i'm not rejoicing because

i'm saddened at the type of people we have all become in general.

crabtail

www.bornalivetruth.org

Senator Obama's Voting Record on Born Alive Abortion Survivors left

to die without receiving medical attention

As an Illinois State Senator, Barack Obama opposed the Illinois Born

Alive Infants Protection Act. The legislation defined any infant born

alive as a " person " who deserves full legal protection.

The Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act was modeled after the

federal version, with the identical definition of " born alive. " The

World Health Organization created this definition in 1950. The United

Nations adopted it in 1955.

Obama actively opposed the legislation in the Illinois State Senate.

In 2001, he voted no in committee, spoke against it on the Senate

floor, and voted present on the floor. In 2002, he voted no in

committee, spoke against it on the Senate floor, and voted no on the

floor. Obama was the sole senator to ever speak against it on the

Senate floor.

The U.S. Senate passed the federal bill unanimously, with Senators

Barbara Boxer and Ted Kennedy speaking in support of it.

The pro-abortion group NARAL expressed neutrality on the federal

bill. On August 5, 2002, President W. Bush signed it into law.

For four years Obama has said he would have supported the federal

version, but that simply isn't true. In 2003, as chairman of the

Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee, Obama voted

yes on an amendment that made the Illinois version identical to the

federal one. However, he then voted no on the amended bill.

(Note the first vote under " DP#1 " or " Do Pass Amendment #1 " was to

allow the amendment to be added, making this bill identical to the

federal Born Alive bill. The second vote under " DPA " or " Do Pass as

Amended " was on the bill as amended. Obama voted to amend the bill

and then voted against the amended bill.)

View the Republican State Senate Staff analysis here.

Click here to see a comparison of the final federal version of Born

Alive and the 2003 IL version Obama opposed.

Pastor Rick Warren: " At what point does a baby get human rights, in

your view? "

Barack Obama " ...answering that question with specificity... uh...

you know is, is... uh... above my pay grade. "

~ Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpSQ9pDIG1k & feature=related

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/09/stanek_on_the_o.html

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/05/michelle_obamas.html

Obama on tape arguing against giving medical attention to aborted

babies born alive

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/08/baipaobamamp3.html

born alive truth the organization media doesn't want to cover because

no one wants to protect babies born alive.

http://www.bornalivetruth.org/

this is a response from a abortion survivor. her mother

aborted her and she lived!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZVf_o1C2nI & feature=related

the abortion survivor on hannity and colmes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZVf_o1C2nI & feature=related

>

> I to be of so much into tears over this night of elections and cant

> seem to stop of those tears from coming over and over. I to not be

of

> to know of why they are of there in complete but just feel like it

is

> of happy but coming out as sad. I to feel americans did what is of

> right in this time and lifes journey. My heart is of just to feel

as

> if America is of growing into the truths of the begin of our

history

> here of bring all beings as an equal and so this is of to me a

> justice well served. it was not about race, or party or heritage it

> was about character and hope. it feels like the day I to gave of

> birth to my first baby. that long wait the labor the fears and then

> the new that changes and the foundation of a new life that would

come

> with much good and bad and so even in him we will see that he

willnot

> always be of favored by all and some will hate of him but in this

he

> still has united somuch and bringed of so much hope to many

cultures,

> faiths, ages, genders, and such. so if this is of this elect

amounts

> too he still did more than any other has done so far....

>

> I to also understand and feel from my heart the loss to those who

> were of wanting a differnet outcome. I to pray for you strength and

> courage in this to trust that this might be of hard in the begin

and

> so many cannot be of wrong to want of hope and change and we are of

> all in this together.

>

> sondra

>

[Guest guest]

amnesty what makes of me to have of so much tears when happy. it is of

like my emotions are of mixed up. I to think of happy thinkings over

all this but sad just keeps coming out over it. But I to not feel sad

at all but happy inside of me.

sondra

[Guest guest]

why do you let go before you have had a chance to see of what the

changes will do or how they will affect you as nothing is if set yet

or in play yet and so not understand the letting go of people before

the changes are even instated. that is of like saying the eggs did

not boil when you did not turn on the fire so they are ruined, when

instead you need to wait for the water to boil to cause the change to

the eggs to where they are right to consume them. with all things it

needs adjusted because each persons stove and circumstance is of

different such as cooking a whole pot of eggs might take more time

than cooking one hard boiled egg. or one might have the heat below

too high, too low or have of electric heat. or gas heat all these

things need to be adjusted to obtain the same outcome of just right

boiled eggs. If you throw out the eggs before you explore and

experiement the recipe then you can lose out of a chance to eat the

rewards in the end.

I to be of using this word things because of learned this much years

back when trying to learn how to cook of the hard boiled eggs and did

of all these things before finally understood how to do it correctly.

sondra

sondra

[Guest guest]

Sondra,

Tears are not just for sad... they are most often associated with sad, but

many many people cry when they are extremely happy.

I think this election was very emotional for many people and it is perfectly

normal for you to have tears of joy at the outcome.

Did you watch the crowds after they announced that it was impossible for

McCain to come around and beat Obama? I saw so many tears of joy in that

crowd, and they were definately tears of overwhelming joy on so many levels

that they just can't control those emotions. Does that make sense?

I wasn't overwhelmingly for one or the other, but I am pleased at how things

turned out, and now I just hope that he is willing/able to follow through

with what he has provided as his plans for our country.

I do hope that those who were opposed can take McCain's suggestion and

request to stand behind our new president and work to find ways that we can

move our country forward and out of this huge financial mess that we've

gotten ourselves into. Unfortunately, I don't know that that can happen.

Too many have taken this way to personal. They feel like whatever topic was

important to them, was by default not important to anyone that didn't vote

the same way, like no one is capable of caring about multiple topics but

have to realistically prioritize them and then make their choice.

There is never a perfect choice for all matters, but we as a country had to

look at who was best for our current situation. And it's obvious that an

overwhelming majority felt that Obama was the guy... I hope he's up to the

task and I hope that those who so adamantly opposed him can at least open

their minds to giving him a chance. They would expect it if the outcome had

gone the other way.

Theresa

>

> amnesty what makes of me to have of so much tears when happy. it is of

> like my emotions are of mixed up. I to think of happy thinkings over

> all this but sad just keeps coming out over it. But I to not feel sad

> at all but happy inside of me.

> sondra

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your so right Sondra!

Unfortunately I can see that this is going to happen, and instead of these

small business owners saying let's see how things go, or better yet, what

can we do to increase business so that we can continue with the people we

have regardless of what happens... They're going to take the opportunity to

blame the election of Obama and tax plans that are not even in place yet OR

have been approved to bail out on those that need them the most right now.

It helps them to feel less guilty about not working harder to make their

business grow, they can just blame Obama.

My parents are small business owners as well, and I'll tell ya, their tax

guy told them that they were going to be just fine with Obama's plan. Cause

trust me, if they were going to loose a lot of money or let people go due to

it, they would have certainly encouraged me to vote McCain.

When it comes to things like this, I would have been a little skeptical of a

single tax guy saying one or the other as I would be worried they could be

trying to sway my vote.

>

> why do you let go before you have had a chance to see of what the

> changes will do or how they will affect you as nothing is if set yet

> or in play yet and so not understand the letting go of people before

> the changes are even instated. that is of like saying the eggs did

> not boil when you did not turn on the fire so they are ruined, when

> instead you need to wait for the water to boil to cause the change to

> the eggs to where they are right to consume them. with all things it

> needs adjusted because each persons stove and circumstance is of

> different such as cooking a whole pot of eggs might take more time

> than cooking one hard boiled egg. or one might have the heat below

> too high, too low or have of electric heat. or gas heat all these

> things need to be adjusted to obtain the same outcome of just right

> boiled eggs. If you throw out the eggs before you explore and

> experiement the recipe then you can lose out of a chance to eat the

> rewards in the end.

>

> I to be of using this word things because of learned this much years

> back when trying to learn how to cook of the hard boiled eggs and did

> of all these things before finally understood how to do it correctly.

> sondra

>

> sondra

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

crabtail I to be of will share that I to be of much against of

abortions as well but while that issues is of strong it was not the

reasons to him for my vote and my happy for him. there was of too

many factors that were to cause of me to go from republican to

democrat this voting year. there were of many human right sorts of

issues that were of in this election and too many over all things

done and shared and it causes such divisions and hate sorts of things

that caused me to reject the one and seek the other.

Do I to think of Obama as a god... not but for me in my personal

thinkings I to felt he was of the one who connected to me more via

the character he reflected as a whole. there was much of the times

hims words causes a strong truth in me to resonate to what hims words

were of sharing to the people.

Do I to think of you as being of wrong to have of you thinking or

voting for the McCain/Palin party, I to not think that way, and think

in America people are of allowed the freedom of their chocies and

votes. it is of you right and such to do what you feel is of right

for you.

I to also be of to understand complete the sad and frustrations you

are of feeling over this beause for me can be of to know what my

heart was of thinking if this were to be of to go the other way. as i

to been of saving and planning to be of to leave of this country to

live ina neutral country of the things were of to be to go the other

ways so for me was of thinking of how the thinking in me was of so

strong too and was of reacting impulsivly in fear and frustrations

too.

the one things to add is of for even self the things that Obama stood

for that were not of connecting to me where were of two issues only

that for me will be of to work hard to find ways to change of them

and that is of same sex mariages and abortions. both are of not my

strong heart views but at the same is not of my place to force my own

faith and views to another in ways of judging or condeming but I to

be of as a person can make of changes and my voice be of part of the

over all changes that do reflect more of my views, and you ahve of

the same options and choices as all americans are of free to express

of this. I to not think abortion should ever be used as birth control

for ignorance but should be of reserved for only very few with

regards to certain circumstances that are within that set law.

But these are of my own issues and so for me do not feel i to have a

right to enforce my views to others/ such as same sex marriages those

who are of that that is of their choices to live and be of to seeked

of that sort of life and while it is of against of my own faith and

moral ways it makes me less of a christian to stand out and point out

the so called sin while standing there sinning my own self because

God shares he is of the judge and we are of to love. we are to love

of people as christ loves us. if i to be of have of ill ways and

condemn and judge and cast out and reject of them as people then I to

not be of living out the biblical truths as God commands of us to do

in this life. again this is of my views and thinking not words being

shared to point out the views of a whole. it is of not my place to

point out sin but to love and try to reflect Godly trues through love

to them in ways that allows God the place to do the work he sees is

of right to that man not my right to that man.

i to be of now just too much rambling and so need to end of this post

for self.

sondra

[Guest guest]

theresa thanks fo ryou words as you shared much of what was of trying

so hard to say but I to took too many words to express it.

about happy tears have heard of them and while not really experience

it to this level it was of so powerfully strong in me. I to felt so

much and yet lacked what I was of to be feeling and it becomed so

releasing and yet so overloading. Releasing because of all the things

i to held as strong moral culural views that I to seen in the people

also being of released and it was of like seeing so much in bondage

be of finally able to take the shackles off their feet and hands and

dance in life. It was not just a racial bonage,,,,it was the sense of

hope in so many. and the fact that to me i to feel America finally

has come to a place where the majority of the people no longer seen

of color but seen of the man who also reflected his color as only one

aspect of hims being. I to felt as if the berlin wall falling for the

people it barricaded, feeling as the jews must be to have felt when

they were of finally freed, It felt like the cuban who as of to seek

of thier freedom from a raft and finally reach the shores a free man

or woman. it causes so much sense of justice that came through all of

it and then flooded of my soul with it all. It is of because i to

feel so much that I to feel it all as if it were of my own.. and yet

the sad is of those who do not get to know of me assume I to not have

of these strong emotions in me but they are of there , they saturate

of my soul much so with the tears that are of hidden from the eyes of

the others. so they assume i to not feel or have emotional states to

it.

sondra

[Guest guest]

Have you read Obama's book " The Anatomy of Hope " ?   I have recommended this

book to anyone that will listen to me.   I am saddened that you were were

exposed to such negative campaigning that has affected you so deeply.  Obama's 

views have never changed....although the campaigning from the other side would

have us believe it has.   Read his views in his own words..and see if that

doesn't help ease your mind.....political websites are not often the best way to

get accurate information ...

 

My daughter was born not being able to read social cues very well..but I was

born the complete opposite...with an almost uncanny gift of being able to read

people.  Perhaps my instincts grew greater because of MY childhood.   A father

that drank and could get violent.  I learned early to read body language in

order to know if I should run or hide so I would not get hit if he lashed

out.  I spent a lot of time watching " body language " during this campaign on

both sides.....I had tears of happiness rolling down my face when Obama's family

walked out on the stage last night.....

 

despite what you may believe, others are right...did you watch the crowd during

and after the victory speech ?  There was an energy there I have not felt in a

long LONG time.   Having been born in the time of the civil rights riots....and

at a time when I remember seeing a " white's only " sign at a drinking fountain

downtown Lansing where my grandpa lived.....it was awesome to me finally seeing

someone other than a white man become president.   To see such something I never

thought woudl happen in my lifetime. 

 

And whether or not Obama is able to do what he dreams.......in the longrun I

think what matters more -is the hope he is inspiring.  Because we have the power

to change things  - we do.  We should never leave our fate in the hands of one

or two men - or base our decisions on what they may or may not do.  I hope you

wait and see - like Sondra suggested - before you base your business decision on

soemthing you fear that hasn't even happened yet !   Obama's message has always

been that together we can change things.....

 

it's like the Wizard of Oz....my all time favorite movie.  You've seen it ? 

Towards the end Dorothy thinks she is stuck in Oz...all her friends have found

what they went to Oz except her....and the Good Witch Glenda assures her that

yes...she CAN go home...that she has had the power within her the entire time of

her journey  !!!  She just had to realize it for herself.

 

I think THAT is the underlying belief Obama has.  It runs through his book - and

it ran through his campaign.   I am not foolish enough to believe one man can

change our country for the better all on his own.  Or destroy it either.  It's

us working together than can build it up again...and only our fear and

complacency that can tear it apart.

take care..and I wish you the best on your business...

cynthia

 

Subject: Re: elections

To: Autism_in_Girls

Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 3:45 AM

i don't think as much. it doesn't matter that we are letting some

employees go and scaling back in business but i felt him to ba a lie.

i guess he lost me some time ago when watching him on tv his stories

kept changing and i couldn't trust him anymore.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I to be of so much into tears over this night of elections and cant

> > seem to stop of those tears from coming over and over. I to not be

> of

> > to know of why they are of there in complete but just feel like it

> is

> > of happy but coming out as sad. I to feel americans did what is of

> > right in this time and lifes journey. My heart is of just to feel

> as

> > if America is of growing into the truths of the begin of our

> history

> > here of bring all beings as an equal and so this is of to me a

> > justice well served. it was not about race, or party or heritage it

> > was about character and hope. it feels like the day I to gave of

> > birth to my first baby. that long wait the labor the fears and then

> > the new that changes and the foundation of a new life that would

> come

> > with much good and bad and so even in him we will see that he

> willnot

> > always be of favored by all and some will hate of him but in this

> he

> > still has united somuch and bringed of so much hope to many

> cultures,

> > faiths, ages, genders, and such. so if this is of this elect

> amounts

> > too he still did more than any other has done so far....

> >

> > I to also understand and feel from my heart the loss to those who

> > were of wanting a differnet outcome. I to pray for you strength and

> > courage in this to trust that this might be of hard in the begin

> and

> > so many cannot be of wrong to want of hope and change and we are of

> > all in this together.

> >

> > sondra

> >

>

I agree with you. I am saddened by what is becomming of the lack of

compassion and the fact that life from beginning to end for all people

is not valued. The election results cause me great concern. A lot of

Americans are definitely running around with moral blinders on. Prayer

is going to be the only thing to save this country.

[Guest guest]

To those of you who voted for Obama for reasons OTHER than his stance on

abortion:

What issue in ANY election, please tell me, is more important than human life??

There is NONE.

[Guest guest]

I had tears of happiness rolling down my face when Obama's family

walked out on the stage last night.....

yes i to had of tears to this too and the tears to seeing of oprah with

tears shaking, and then to see of the one reverend this day standing

there as an older african american man with tears down hims face and

the one african american lady on her knees sobbing and praying.

it was so many images that causes of the tears to keep coming back to

me even to this day. and the powerful story of Ms. the 106 year

old lady from the south voting never dreaming to see this day.

I to all of Barracks books too. they are of powerful and they are of

hims true visions and dreams of a better place and to me the words of

martin luther king is of fullfilled this day. this is of not a thinking

tome from martin of race alone but that some day those with bondages

due to society views of it too will have of their day and slowly that

is of happening to such as the man with disability who was of constant

maked fun of and bullyied who won all those medal at the olympics some

day men will look beyond the challenges of a man and see the chareacter

of them. I to feel that marticn luther kings words will be of true for

those of us with autism someday too.

I to also agree that there was of too many distorted lies and

even though the truth was of shown and proven to be of such it was

still used to destroy the character of the man in a way that causes of

me to not want to be of part of a party to use such tactics at that

level. I to think if one professes christianity they cannot speak one

things and model another. Christ to shares we are to build up not tear

down and for that that spoke of the character flaw that causes of me to

look the other party and eventually support the other party and vote

it.

not wanting of debates or fight words at all here but just sharing from

my own views of how I to seen of it and how it supported of my vote.

sondra

[Guest guest]

it wasn't just abortion. i met the nurses,  looked at the bills myself, this

wasn't about abortion it was about babies that survived the abortion and lived,

breathed and were alive and were left to die because of the way they were born.

for four years he fought them. this wasn't about the rights of the unborn, which

does not exist but the rights of those that actually were born, who survived the

abortion and lived. i spoke to an saw the pisctur of the baby that lived for

eight hours receiving no medical attention. the nurses tell me he could have

survived lived, same as a preemie baby from another department. but no one

cared. well he didn't. i saw his signatures on the bills, saw the pictures the

nurses showed him, but they said he didn't care. many people had appealed to him

many times. and he was the only senator that wouldn't listen and took a

leadership role to fight these babies to get medical attention or be considered

persons. they were able to pass it on a federal level but not in illinois. 

it's not a made up lie about him these things are well documented and recorded.

he is on tape, his signature was on it. the bills were identical. the nurses

testified before them and appealed to him. it's on tape. it's simply people do

not want to see this part of someones character that they have already decided

they want to hear nothing bad about.

 

these babies survived abortion, they lived, they cried and they were left to

die. and he said that was okay because of the manner they were born. it was

acceptable. on the federal bill it is now considered infanticide to allow this.

but he spoke against the decision. people want to beleive what they want and

close their eyes to th truth but the reality is i seriosly feel people simply

don't care even pro-choice people thought he was extreme.

 

 

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647

 

 

Obama More Pro-Choice Than NARAL

by B. Carpenter (more by this author)

Posted 12/26/2006 ET

Updated 12/27/2006 ET

Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) portrays himself as a thoughtful Democrat who

carefully considers both sides of controversial issues, but his radical stance

on abortion puts him further left on that issue than even NARAL Pro-Choice

America.

In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant

Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term

abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant

Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House

opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.

Both the Illinois and the federal bill sought equal treatment for babies who

survived premature inducement for the purpose of abortion and wanted babies who

were born prematurely and given live-saving medical attention.

When the federal bill was being debated, NARAL Pro-Choice America released a

statement that said, “Consistent with our position last year, NARAL does not

oppose passage of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act ... floor debate served

to clarify the bill’s intent and assure us that it is not targeted at Roe v.

Wade or a woman’s right to choose.â€

But Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois senate and killed it in

committee. Twice, the Induced Infant Liability Act came up in the Judiciary

Committee on which he served. At its first reading he voted “present.†At

the second he voted “no.â€

The bill was then referred to the senate’s Health and Human Services

Committee, which Obama chaired after the Illinois Senate went Democratic in

2003. As chairman, he never called the bill up for a vote.

Jill Stanek, a registered delivery-ward nurse who was the prime mover behind the

legislation after she witnessed aborted babies’ being born alive and left to

die, testified twice before Obama in support of the Induced Infant Liability Act

bills. She also testified before the U.S. Congress in support of the Born Alive

Infant Protection Act.

Stanek told me her testimony “did not faze†Obama.

In the second hearing, Stanek said, “I brought pictures in and presented them

to the committee of very premature babies from my neonatal resuscitation book

from the American Pediatric Association, trying to show them unwanted babies

were being cast aside. Babies the same age were being treated if they were

wanted!â€

“And those pictures didn’t faze him [Obama] at all,†she said.

At the end of the hearing, according to the official records of the Illinois

State senate, Obama thanked Stanek for being “very clear and forthright,â€

but said his concern was that Stanek had suggested “doctors really don’t

care about children who are being born with a reasonable prospect of life

because they are so locked into their pro-abortion views that they would watch

an infant that is viable die.†He told her, “That may be your assessment,

and I don’t see any evidence of that. What we are doing here is to create one

more burden on a woman and I can’t support that.â€

As a senator, Obama has opposed measures to criminalize those who transport

minors across state lines for the purpose of obtaining an abortion.

At a townhall meeting in Ottawa, Ill., Joanne Resendiz, a teacher and mother of

five, asked him: “How are you going to vote on this, keeping in mind that 10,

15 years down the line your daughters, God forbid, could be transported across

state lines?â€

Obama said: “The decision generally is one that a woman should make.â€

Miss Carpenter was formerly a congressional correspondent & assistant editor for

HUMAN EVENTS. She is the author of " The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy's Dossier on

Hillary Rodham Clinton, " published by Regnery (a HUMAN EVENTS sister company).

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Re: elections

To those of you who voted for Obama for reasons OTHER than his stance on

abortion:

What issue in ANY election, please tell me, is more important than human life??

There is NONE.

[Guest guest]

Beth yes you are of right that human rights are of the most important

issues, but must add that abortion is of only one form of human

rights , there are many , many human rights that are and have been

violated for years as well.

I to not be a pro choice person... I to be of a pro life person...

yet this one human right issues alone was not the only issues in

human rights that was of causing me concerns... I to had of many

human rights issues.

the other things he stood for did cause of me to vote that way but

also in my thinking know that there is of work to do among the

issues...

even palin and McCains views differed among each other in regards to

abortions and other human rights issues.

If I to just voted the other way because of one strong issues or

moral tandard then it leaves the many other moral things i to stand

firm in behind too. so to me had to really research, study, be of

true to self in my own faith and values and morals and I to not

regret of my american choice to do so. there is of none perfect

except God and for that cant expect our presidents to be such

standard and because he is of not God but a human he like ALL humans

will have of faults, errors and sin..to expect of him to be of more

than or less than human.

sondra

[Guest guest]

I to agree these things are of horrible things in this life but he as a

senator was to be held of accounatable to thngs the mother of these

babies her self rejected. Childrens services did not do thier job to

protect and yet it is of the fault of a senator alone? there were of

much more signatures to the bill and there was of a document I to seen

where the words on the document was of different than those voiced

out.... regardless if this issues is of strong to you as it is of to me

as well then the work we can do is of to reach him now as president who

does have of more power than a senator. we reach from the bottom to the

top and the top to the bottom. I to not be of rejecting or ignoring of

this issues or view at all but was of shaing it was of only one of the

human rights issues i to be of greatly concerned with.

sondra

[Guest guest]

I ask you to look at the records of the politicians who used abortion as one of

their main arguing points...and think about their term in office and what they

really DID about it ??   So many politician's use it to their benefit - but once

in office it is suddenly put aside.  So why do we base our voting on that one

issue when once in office it is such a NON issue ????    Even Palin -

admitted that although she is against abortion  - if elected  - she would not

want to promote federal legislation against it because she feels it's an issue

for states to decide. 

I can find a clip of her saying this if you want.

 

my opinion.....we blame politicians for abortion - whether it's going on or

not....but we don't address the real issue....what is happening that leads

people to take chances with sexuality and become pregnant .What causes so many

men and women to be so nonchalant about birth control....what causes men to

 abuse sexually so many women on this list for instance...simply because they

CAN.....and it's a miracle more of the abuses did not end in pregancies.   What

is happening in the minds of our girls that are choosing to have sexual

relations irresponsibly ?  and is it up to a politician to teach our children to

value sexuality and their bodies ?  Really ?  

 

When the question of someone's voting record on abortion comes up - each side

tries to make it very black and white. But when a vote comes up on " abortion "

it's never that simple ! Someone might be very opposed to abortion but feel they

have to vote against a bill because of the language of the bill....hidden

agendas that people throw in hoping others don't notice....and our current

legislature is VERY GOOD at attaching all sorts of provisions on bills that have

nothing to do with the legislation originally being proposed.    Make sure -

when someone uses someone else's voting record against them - that you know the

whole truth.  

 

And - also - think about this. Every politician for the last decade especially

-has highlighted issues like abortion - becasue they know it's an issue that

riles people up .   I will NEVER be able to convince anyone I am right - and

they are wrong.   Abortion is like your faith in God - what I say will not

matter in the LEAST.   It divides people - it is an issue where we can argue for

10 years and nothing will be resolved.  

 

 

I voted for Obama - because I see a man who wants to bring our country

together.   Who already proved he wants US involved in our own government - and

he proved it by showing how people could be brought together in such a huge way

during the campaign.  

 

I hope this list doesn't start arguing about abortion - because there is no end

to that debate. It will only cause hard feelings and harsh words.   I was in a

college class once where people stood up and had to be prevented from hitting

each other !!!   This list is about pulling TOGETHER to support each other and

girls, isn't it ???

cynthia

 

To those of you who voted for Obama for reasons OTHER than his stance on

abortion:

What issue in ANY election, please tell me, is more important than human life??

There is NONE.

[

[Guest guest]

Your right Beth, there is no other issue more important than human life.

However Abortion is NOT the only issue that has a direct effect on human

life and is therefore not the sole reason to vote one way or the other.

For one I find very little reason at all to allow a woman to have an

abortion at a point where the child would even be able to live if born at

that point. I say 'very little' and not 'no' because there are always

extenuation circumstances that we can not even fathom (and would hopefully

not happen all that often) that could make for a good reason. But to

honestly say to me that if I am assaulted and raped and later find that this

attack has left me pregnant, that I should be forced to carry that child to

term only to be given a choice of either rasing a child that I may or may

not be able to care for (both physically and emotionally) or giving that

child, who is just as much a part of me as the attacker, to another

family.... I just feel that is a choice that should be given to someone who

is not in that situation.

And before someone tries to say that I can't know that one way or the other,

I did have a situation where I was forced to carry a baby to term who had 0

chance of survival, only to be told that nothing good could even come of it.

Back in 1995 I found out at 5mo. pregnant that the child I was carrying had

a birth defect that would provide absolutely NO chance of survival. But due

to my insurance rules at that time terminating the pregnancy was not an

option provided to me, unless I had about $5,000+... which I did not. We

then hoped that maybe we'd at least be able to allow our child to help other

infants by making her an organ donor... Giving us hope of being able to have

at least some positive outcome in this devestating circumstance. Only to

later be told that this too was not an option due to the way the laws were

written. The child had to actually die on her own before they could take her

organs. A child that had a definate 0% chance to live more than a day, had

to be left to die of natural causes and by that time the organs would not be

suitable for donation.

This was a terrible time for myself and our family. And for me to say, that

while I personally would never want to have an abortion, but to make it

illegal for others in similar circumstances or worse, that they are not able

to make that choice for themselves.... to me that's just not right.

My personal opinion is that while I wouldn't want the abortion, it's not my

place to make that decision for everyone else in the country. The education

should be stepped up so that young women are more aware of what their

options are, but it should never require a court order to allow a person to

not carry a child that they don't want for what may be very good reasons in

their own personal situation. Adoption is not always an option, because once

a child is born then the father has rights as well, and can stop that from

happening, even in a rape case. What kind life is that giving the child?

All that being said I still understand those against, because as I said, I

can't think of any circumstance where it would be the right choice for me...

But on the flip side, what about all the lives that are already here on this

planet, and are here because their parents wanted them and have adored them

and raised them but they are now being killed by being in this war? Where

are their human rights? And before I'm reminded that we have a volunteer

military so these kids made the choice themselves to put their life on the

line... I'm not only speaking of their lives, but what of the lives of the

innocent men, women and children whose lives have been lost in this war?

They are a casulity of war right? A sacrafice for our freedom and peace? I

just don't see how their 'human right to life' already being here on this

earth, is less than a baby's who would likely be born to a family who

doesn't want them to begin with.

I'm not tring to flame anyone for their opinions, just pointing out that

abortion is by far not the only Human rights issue out there to be

considered and does not trump everything else going on in our country. What

is to happen to a baby who is not wanted to begin with, yet is forced to be

born to a family who also can not financially care for them due the

condition of our economy? Would that child have a higher chance of ending

up like the little 3 year old in Orlando? Caylee ... You know her

mother didn't want to have her, then wanted to put her up for adoption...

family and peer pressure prevented that and where did that get her?

>

> To those of you who voted for Obama for reasons OTHER than his stance on

> abortion:

>

> What issue in ANY election, please tell me, is more important than human

> life?? There is NONE.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I could NOT have said it better myself...

Just this last time when they were passing the economic stimulus bill, they

had all these things in there to give certain breaks to certain companies,

that honestly had nothing at all to do with what was being sought... but in

order to get the bill passed they had to agree, or risk not getting it

passed at all...

I won't keep this going, cause as I said, I completely agree with you and

could not have posted it better.

Thanks!

Theresa

>

> I ask you to look at the records of the politicians who used abortion as

> one of their main arguing points...and think about their term in office and

> what they really DID about it ?? So many politician's use it to their

> benefit - but once in office it is suddenly put aside. So why do we base

> our voting on that one issue when once in office it is such a NON issue

> ???? Even Palin - admitted that although she is against abortion -

> if elected - she would not want to promote federal legislation against it

> because she feels it's an issue for states to decide.

> I can find a clip of her saying this if you want.

>

> my opinion.....we blame politicians for abortion - whether it's going on or

> not....but we don't address the real issue....what is happening that leads

> people to take chances with sexuality and become pregnant .What causes so

> many men and women to be so nonchalant about birth control....what causes

> men to abuse sexually so many women on this list for instance...simply

> because they CAN.....and it's a miracle more of the abuses did not end in

> pregancies. What is happening in the minds of our girls that are choosing

> to have sexual relations irresponsibly ? and is it up to a politician to

> teach our children to value sexuality and their bodies ? Really ?

>

> When the question of someone's voting record on abortion comes up - each

> side tries to make it very black and white. But when a vote comes up on

> " abortion " it's never that simple ! Someone might be very opposed to

> abortion but feel they have to vote against a bill because of the language

> of the bill....hidden agendas that people throw in hoping others don't

> notice....and our current legislature is VERY GOOD at attaching all sorts of

> provisions on bills that have nothing to do with the legislation originally

> being proposed. Make sure - when someone uses someone else's voting

> record against them - that you know the whole truth.

>

> And - also - think about this. Every politician for the last decade

> especially -has highlighted issues like abortion - becasue they know it's an

> issue that riles people up . I will NEVER be able to convince anyone I am

> right - and they are wrong. Abortion is like your faith in God - what I

> say will not matter in the LEAST. It divides people - it is an issue where

> we can argue for 10 years and nothing will be resolved.

>

>

> I voted for Obama - because I see a man who wants to bring our country

> together. Who already proved he wants US involved in our own government -

> and he proved it by showing how people could be brought together in such a

> huge way during the campaign.

>

> I hope this list doesn't start arguing about abortion - because there is no

> end to that debate. It will only cause hard feelings and harsh words. I

> was in a college class once where people stood up and had to be prevented

> from hitting each other !!! This list is about pulling TOGETHER to support

> each other and girls, isn't it ???

> cynthia

>

>

> To those of you who voted for Obama for reasons OTHER than his stance on

> abortion:

>

> What issue in ANY election, please tell me, is more important than human

> life??

> There is NONE.

>

> [

>

>

[Guest guest]

I totally understand we need to process the election - but this last

bit I find personally to be irrelevant to our list and downright

hostile. Please let us try to unite? There are MANY issues to wok on

in this world and this list is about autism in girls and women. Can we

focus?

>

> To those of you who voted for Obama for reasons OTHER than his

stance on abortion:

>

> What issue in ANY election, please tell me, is more important than

human life?? There is NONE.

>

>

[Guest guest]

On the other hand, there are small businesses like ours. We don't have 5

people to let go. There are only two of us, my husband and me. We are going

to do much better if our new President can get his proposed tax regulations

passed, and it is going to be really nice when we can afford to have health

insurance again. It can't come soon enough for us! I'm not expecting

miracles,

but we have a real hope that things will mostly get better from here on out.

:-)

In a message dated 11/5/2008 1:42:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,

autisticcrystal@... writes:

unfortunately the change isn't going to be as well for all people. we are a

small business unlike what Obama said his numbers aren't reality or

mathematical. his tax increase does according to the IRS affect 2/3rds of small

businesses. we were in wait to see the results as whether we were going to

expand

or to scale back depending on this election. scaling back is the decision

based on the election results. we let go?of five people tomorrow.

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[Guest guest]

this isn't about abortion but about what happens to abortion after the baby

survives. the nurse i spoke many babies had a better chance of survival than the

babies in the preemie ward. reason one woman got a pregnant, to keep her

boyfriend he didn't come back that was that. but the fact that many of these

late term induced labor kids that survivied on their own some had higher chances

of survival than preemie kids in another department.

?

please watch the video. it's completely different.

?

FOXNEWS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpSQ9pDIG1k & feature=related

?

and the Born Alive Protection Act made into law. Obama opposed it at a state

level in illinois:

?

CNN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeFHYiI6pw & feature=related

?

FOXNEWS:?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttF8s5XGVDw & feature=related

?

and this is an interview with a girl who survived an abortion, was adopted and

raised by a christian family who loved her.

?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZVf_o1C2nI & feature=related

Re: Re: elections

Your right Beth, there is no other issue more important than human life.

However Abortion is NOT the only issue that has a direct effect on human

life and is therefore not the sole reason to vote one way or the other.

For one I find very little reason at all to allow a woman to have an

abortion at a point where the child would even be able to live if born at

that point. I say 'very little' and not 'no' because there are always

extenuation circumstances that we can not even fathom (and would hopefully

not happen all that often) that could make for a good reason. But to

honestly say to me that if I am assaulted and raped and later find that this

attack has left me pregnant, that I should be forced to carry that child to

term only to be given a choice of either rasing a child that I may or may

not be able to care for (both physically and emotionally) or giving that

child, who is just as much a part of me as the attacker, to another

family.... I just feel that is a choice that should be given to someone who

is not in that situation.

And before someone tries to say that I can't know that one way or the other,

I did have a situation where I was forced to carry a baby to term who had 0

chance of survival, only to be told that nothing good could even come of it.

Back in 1995 I found out at 5mo. pregnant that the child I was carrying had

a birth defect that would provide absolutely NO chance of survival. But due

to my insurance rules at that time terminating the pregnancy was not an

option provided to me, unless I had about $5,000+... which I did not. We

then hoped that maybe we'd at least be able to allow our child to help other

infants by making her an organ donor... Giving us hope of being able to have

at least some positive outcome in this devestating circumstance. Only to

later be told that this too was not an option due to the way the laws were

written. The child had to actually die on her own before they could take her

organs. A child that had a definate 0% chance to live more than a day, had

to be left to die of natural causes and by that time the organs would not be

suitable for donation.

This was a terrible time for myself and our family. And for me to say, that

while I personally would never want to have an abortion, but to make it

illegal for others in similar circumstances or worse, that they are not able

to make that choice for themselves.... to me that's just not right.

My personal opinion is that while I wouldn't want the abortion, it's not my

place to make that decision for everyone else in the country. The education

should be stepped up so that young women are more aware of what their

options are, but it should never require a court order to allow a person to

not carry a child that they don't want for what may be very good reasons in

their own personal situation. Adoption is not always an option, because once

a child is born then the father has rights as well, and can stop that from

happening, even in a rape case. What kind life is that giving the child?

All that being said I still understand those against, because as I said, I

can't think of any circumstance where it would be the right choice for me...

But on the flip side, what about all the lives that are already here on this

planet, and are here because their parents wanted them and have adored them

and raised them but they are now being killed by being in this war? Where

are their human rights? And before I'm reminded that we have a volunteer

military so these kids made the choice themselves to put their life on the

line... I'm not only speaking of their lives, but what of the lives of the

innocent men, women and children whose lives have been lost in this war?

They are a casulity of war right? A sacrafice for our freedom and peace? I

just don't see how their 'human right to life' already being here on this

earth, is less than a baby's who would likely be born to a family who

doesn't want them to begin with.

I'm not tring to flame anyone for their opinions, just pointing out that

abortion is by far not the only Human rights issue out there to be

considered and does not trump everything else going on in our country. What

is to happen to a baby who is not wanted to begin with, yet is forced to be

born to a family who also can not financially care for them due the

condition of our economy? Would that child have a higher chance of ending

up like the little 3 year old in Orlando? Caylee ... You know her

mother didn't want to have her, then wanted to put her up for adoption...

family and peer pressure prevented that and where did that get her?

& gt;

& gt; To those of you who voted for Obama for reasons OTHER than his stance on

& gt; abortion:

& gt;

& gt; What issue in ANY election, please tell me, is more important than human

& gt; life?? There is NONE.

& gt;

& gt;

[Guest guest]

A true small business owner doesn't fire/hire people based on

elections, it's based off numbers. A true small business owner thinks

in terms of business, not being able to blame one party or the other.

Trust me, the small businesses I did/do bookkeeping for are in

business to make money, not to complain about politics. Maybe they do

complain about politics, but they don't hurt their business for the

sake of complaining.

As someone hoping to enter into the job market in the next 1 1/2 yrs,

it drives me nuts that my income will equate to higher taxes. The

express purpose of my working is to be able to provide a government

independent life for my family and daughter with autism in particular.

I should not be told that the government knows better how to spend my

money than I do. I should not be told because I've been out here

busting my butt for years to work toward a better living for my family

that I should be penalized. So what if I will make more money, I've

worked to make more money, it shouldn't be anyone else's but whom I

choose to give it to. I don't mind paying a fair share in taxes, I

should pay the same percentage as anyone else.

Debi

>

> Your so right Sondra!

> Unfortunately I can see that this is going to happen, and instead of

these

> small business owners saying let's see how things go, or better yet,

what

> can we do to increase business so that we can continue with the

people we

> have regardless of what happens... They're going to take the

opportunity to

> blame the election of Obama and tax plans that are not even in place

yet OR

> have been approved to bail out on those that need them the most

right now.

> It helps them to feel less guilty about not working harder to make their

> business grow, they can just blame Obama.

[Guest guest]

In all honesty, I did not see a man bringing together people on

purposeful legislation. What I saw is a very handsome, well-spoken man

who uses lots of nice words that make people feel good. But on merit

of actual legislation, I haven't seen much.

I am not against someone of color. I would have voted for many

African-American people that I greatly respect, but it was on content

of character. I feel many people were charmed and love the idea of a

person of color in office, but that to me does not fulfill Dr. King's

dream of looking beyond the color of one's skin to the content and

character. I'm in no way saying Senator Obama does not have character,

but it was the lacking of content. Do I want to see everyone have

health care? Yes. Do I want to see government health care? Heck no.

People hate to use the word socialist, but that in fact is what he is

promoting, socialism. Socialism is taking from the top & distributing

it to the bottom such that everyone has the same. That is largely what

Senator Obama has pledged to do. That does not bring me to him, that

repels me from him on merit, not as a person. I'm all for safety nets

and not letting anyone starve or be homeless who wants to be

otherwise. But we also must find agreed upon limitations of taking

away and giving to. Most people who are destitute are not evil; they

are there because of not only bad choices, but horrible life

circumstances. Most people who have material wealth are not evil; they

have worked hard, made good choices, and sometimes had some luck.

I for one am sick of knowing that I am busting my butt to get through

college without help from anyone other than my husband working two

jobs to keep a roof over our head only to have additional percentages

of the income I will make be taken away under the guise that the

government knows better how to spend my money than I do. I will have

to pay as of now 10%-13% more just for being successful. It is

possible that the tax rate will be even higher before I begin working.

What part of my working equates to my needing the government to take

10-13% more as if it's there money and not mine? That 10-13% could get

Allie 20 sessions of feeding therapy, respite care, etc. I could

choose to buy a friend in need groceries, help my granny get some

meds, etc. It could be money I spend to attend an autism medical

conference, to pay for an indigent friend to attend, or offer in gift

cards for gfcf stores. But nope, the government is telling me they

know better how to spend it.

What we need is what no politician is willing to do. That's cut a

bunch of silliness out of the budget & realign it toward those who do

need the help & leave the rest of us alone. But that won't happen.

President Bush pledged to cut spending, all he did was increase it and

it wasn't just because of the war. he could have cut in wasteful areas

but didn't. He wasted billions on the most rediculous dept of homeland

security, a bipartisan waste of spending. We had a FBI & CIA whose

only issue was they weren't allowed to communicate. What news is it

that each year reports on the billions in silly spending?

Senator Obama will likely continue the waste, with we the taxpayer

picking up the tab. I would like to think Senator McCain would have

cut the spending, but likely not. No politician can resist the feeling

of a blank check in hand.

So no, I don't feel brought together.

Debi

--- In Autism_in_Girls , Hart

> I voted for Obama - because I see a man who wants to bring our

country together.   Who already proved he wants US involved in our own

government - and he proved it by showing how people could be brought

together in such a huge way during the campaign.  

>