Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 Yes, Kathi, not only are fibrocystic breasts " not uncommon " they are an extremely common phenomenon in women. Most articles give a rate of at least 50% occurrence in women at some time in their lives (and I've seen a 90% figure in more than one place). Fibrocycstic breasts are linked to women, hormones, and connective tissue, so I could see why that question would come up, but, since it is such a common finding and not considered a disease, I'm not sure what sort of meaningful link could be made to immune system dysfunction. http://www.fwradiology.com/fibrobrst.htm http://imaginis.com/breasthealth/fibrocystic_breasts.asp In the following article, Dr. Donnica states, " In fact, fibrocystic changes occur in varying degrees in almost all women over 30; they are just clinically apparent in about half of them. " http://www.drdonnica.com/display.asp?article=4708 [ ] RE: Question a or > a or ...have either of you seen anything linking fibrocystic > breasts and autoimmune disease...someone asked me and I did a search > but didnt come up with much...I thought maybe in your researches you > might have come across something...I know it is not uncommon for women > to have fibrocystic breasts , but I never had heard of a connection > with autoimmune diseases ....any info would be greatly > appreciated....Kathi in OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 Hello I am new My name is Devaughan I was told by a surgeon who biopsied my fibrocystic breast disease to always make sure I took 800 mg of Vitamin E every day. Double the dose. I have never had problems. That was in 1978 He was way ahead of his time but strongly believed it would dissipate the lumps. For me it worked A suggestion for anyone to embrace or discard Devaughan -- On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:55:07 wrote: >Yes, Kathi, not only are fibrocystic breasts " not uncommon " they are an >extremely common phenomenon in women. Most articles give a rate of at >least 50% occurrence in women at some time in their lives (and I've seen >a 90% figure in more than one place). > >Fibrocycstic breasts are linked to women, hormones, and connective >tissue, so I could see why that question would come up, but, since it is >such a common finding and not considered a disease, I'm not sure what >sort of meaningful link could be made to immune system dysfunction. > >http://www.fwradiology.com/fibrobrst.htm >http://imaginis.com/breasthealth/fibrocystic_breasts.asp > >In the following article, Dr. Donnica states, " In fact, fibrocystic >changes occur in varying degrees in almost all women over 30; they are >just clinically apparent in about half of them. " > >http://www.drdonnica.com/display.asp?article=4708 > > > > > > [ ] RE: Question a or > > >> a or ...have either of you seen anything linking fibrocystic >> breasts and autoimmune disease...someone asked me and I did a search >> but didnt come up with much...I thought maybe in your researches you >> might have come across something...I know it is not uncommon for women >> to have fibrocystic breasts , but I never had heard of a connection >> with autoimmune diseases ....any info would be greatly >> appreciated....Kathi in OK > > > __________________________________________________________ Win a First Class Trip to Hawaii to Vacation Elvis Style! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail/http://www.elvis.lycos.com/sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 Welcome to the group Devaughan....and thanks for the info : As always thanks for the links I will send them off to my friend.....Kathi in OK --- devaughan doran <devaughan@...> wrote: > Hello > I am new > My name is Devaughan > I was told by a surgeon who biopsied my fibrocystic > breast disease to always make sure I took 800 mg of > Vitamin E every day. Double the dose. I have never > had problems. That was in 1978 > He was way ahead of his time but strongly believed > it would dissipate the lumps. > For me it worked > A suggestion for anyone to embrace or discard > Devaughan > -- > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:55:07 > wrote: > >Yes, Kathi, not only are fibrocystic breasts " not > uncommon " they are an > >extremely common phenomenon in women. Most articles > give a rate of at > >least 50% occurrence in women at some time in their > lives (and I've seen > >a 90% figure in more than one place). > > > >Fibrocycstic breasts are linked to women, hormones, > and connective > >tissue, so I could see why that question would come > up, but, since it is > >such a common finding and not considered a disease, > I'm not sure what > >sort of meaningful link could be made to immune > system dysfunction. > > > >http://www.fwradiology.com/fibrobrst.htm > >http://imaginis.com/breasthealth/fibrocystic_breasts.asp > > > >In the following article, Dr. Donnica states, " In > fact, fibrocystic > >changes occur in varying degrees in almost all > women over 30; they are > >just clinically apparent in about half of them. " > > > >http://www.drdonnica.com/display.asp?article=4708 > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] RE: Question a or > > > > > >> a or ...have either of you seen anything > linking fibrocystic > >> breasts and autoimmune disease...someone asked me > and I did a search > >> but didnt come up with much...I thought maybe in > your researches you > >> might have come across something...I know it is > not uncommon for women > >> to have fibrocystic breasts , but I never had > heard of a connection > >> with autoimmune diseases ....any info would be > greatly > >> appreciated....Kathi in OK > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Win a First Class Trip to Hawaii to Vacation Elvis > Style! > http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail/http://www.elvis.lycos.com/sweepstakes > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 The Linus ing Institute at Oregon State University has an interesting article on iodine deficiency causing hypothyroidism as well as fibrocystic breasts. Since iodine is depleted in soils of our farmlands, deficiency is possible especially for those that are on a low salt diet (Iodine is added to salt). Iodine is essential to normal thyroid function. We already know that there is a major link between autoimmunity and hormones, so thyroid function may be a clue. When deficient in iodine, goiter, an enlargement of the thyroid results. But what if it¹s just a chronic deficiency not enough to cause goiter? The thyroid gets iodine from the blood and the blood gets it from the stomach. Malabsorption problems may lead to deficiency. Our bodies don¹t store iodine, so if we don¹t get it in our daily diet, we will be deficient. Fish, shellfish, and sea vegetables are the richest sources. Kelp is the most common sea vegetable and is high in iodine. Kelp is also rich in other minerals and low in sodium and is a good seasoning substitute for salt. It can be found in all health food stores. I sprinkle a bit on most everything that I would normally salt. I don¹t use commercial salt because it contains aluminum and other chemicals. I use sea salt which is obtained from evaporated sea water and kelp for my iodine and other minerals. Other sources are milk, but only if the soil were they graze is rich in iodine. Eggs may have iodine if their feed has been enriched with iodine. Plant content depends on the soil also. In a deficiency, the thyroid enlarges in order to try to get more iodine from the blood. Goiter was first noted in the Great Lakes region which was called the " goiter belt " and included that area and the midwestern and plains states. In the 1930s, approximately 40 percent of the people in Michigan had goiter, due mainly to iodine-deficient soil when glacier melting had washed away the iodine. This is when they started adding iodine to our salt. Michigan was the first state to use iodized salt back in the 40¹s. Symptoms include fatigue, cold sensitivity, slow pulse rate, weight gain even when not eating a lot, constipation, menstrual irregularities, elevated cholesterol levels, muscle pain, hair loss, dry skin, brittle nails, poor memory and concentration, depression, low libido, anxiety, and many more. Thyroid hormones regulate the metabolism of the body and also set the basal metabolic rate (BMR). This is the number of calories that you¹d burn if you stayed in bed all day. Nerve and bone formation, reproduction, the condition of the skin, hair, nails, and teeth, our mental state, cholesterol and protein synthesis, the conversion of carotene to vitamin A , carbohydrate absorption are all influenced by the thyroid. http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/infocenter/minerals/iodine/iodine.html Breast Cancer: The Iodine and Thyroid Connection A starting point: fibrocystic disease http://www.bites-medical.org/brcan/ioconn.html Several studies that link low iodine to fibrocystic breasts: http://www.ithyroid.com/fibrocystic_breast_disease.htm How Your Thyroid Works http://www.endocrineweb.com/thyfunction.html a a or ...have either of you seen anything linking fibrocystic breasts and autoimmune disease...someone asked me and I did a search but didnt come up with much...I thought maybe in your researches you might have come across something...I know it is not uncommon for women to have fibrocystic breasts , but I never had heard of a connection with autoimmune diseases ....any info would be greatly appreciated....Kathi in OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Welcome Devaughan, I¹ve read that there are a few vitamins that help. I¹m glad they worked for you. Thanks. Vitamins and Minerals for Breast Cysts The following vitamins and minerals can be helpful in reducing and preventing breast cysts: Vitamin A Vitamin A has been found to be useful in reducing both the pain symptoms and the size of the breast lesions in women with fibrocystic breast disease. At the University of Montreal Medical School, where high doses of vitamin A were administered (150,000 IU daily) to a small research group of volunteer women. The women studied had documented benign breast disease with moderate to severe pain symptoms. Their breast tenderness had not previously responded to mild analgesic medication (painkillers) or cessation of caffeine use. Eighty percent of the women tested had beneficial results with vitamin A and a dramatic reduction in the level of pain. The lessening of breast pain was still evident eight months after the study ended. Forty percent of the women had at least a 50 percent decrease in the size of their breast lumps. One drawback, though, is that vitamin A in high doses can cause toxic symptoms. Vitamin A derived from fish sources is an oil-based product which can accumulate to high levels in the liver, where it is stored. Several women in this study had severe headaches from the high dosage of vitamin A taken, and several other women had more mild side effects. To avoid the risk of side effects from fish oil-based vitamin A, it is safer for most women to use the provitamin A, beta carotene. Beta carotene is found abundantly in many yellow, orange, red, and dark green fruits and vegetables. It is converted to vitamin A by the liver and intestines as needed by the body. In fact, many women who eat a plant-based diet can easily ingest 50,000 to 100,000 IU of beta carotene on a daily basis. (One cup of carrot juice or one sweet potato contains 20,000 IU of beta carotene). Supplements of beta carotene are also readily available in health food stores and pharmacies. Vitamin E In several controlled studies, vitamin E was found to be quite helpful in reducing the pain and tenderness, as well as the size, of breast lumps. In one study, where subjects were given 600 IU of vitamin E for two menstrual cycles, 80 percent showed a positive response. Another study of 29 women with fibrocystic breast lumps, which worsen premenstrually, showed again a good response to vitamin E treatments. At doses of 500 or 600 IU per day, 16 women had moderate to total symptom relief. The other 13 women had reduction of cyst size or complete disappearance of the cysts. Iodine In animal studies, iodine deficient rats were found to develop breast changes similar to human fibrocystic disease. Human studies have also suggested that women who are iodine deficient may have a predisposition towards developing breast cysts. Iodine is needed by the body for the production of the thyroid hormone. Lack of adequate thyroid hormone also affects the menstrual cycle. Sea vegetables such as nori, kelp, and dulse, found in the produce section of health food stores, are good sources of iodine. Dulse is also available in liquid drops, while kelp is available in tablets. Kelp also comes in powdered form and can be used in cooking as a good salt substitute. Essential Fatty Acids Several studies have looked at the beneficial effects of evening primrose oil on fibrocystic breast disease. Evening primrose oil is an excellent source of the essential fatty acid, linoleic acid, and its chemical derivative, gamma linolenic acid (GLA). In one study of 291 women with severe breast pain, 45 percent of the women had symptom relief with the use of evening primrose oil. Another study of 41 women showed equally good symptom relief. The beneficial results were maintained in women who continued to use evening primrose oil after the study ended. Typical dosages used were 1500 mg twice a day. (This would amount to taking 6 of the 500 mg capsules commonly available.) In my experience, some women need to go as high as 9 to 12 capsules per day for relief of severe symptoms. Borage oil and black currant oil are more concentrated sources of GLA, so the number of capsules necessary is reduced. For example, 3 or 4 capsules per day of borage oil may be sufficient. > Hello > I am new > My name is Devaughan > I was told by a surgeon who biopsied my fibrocystic breast disease to always > make sure I took 800 mg of Vitamin E every day. Double the dose. I have never > had problems. That was in 1978 > He was way ahead of his time but strongly believed it would dissipate the > lumps. > For me it worked > A suggestion for anyone to embrace or discard > Devaughan > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Thank You a...very interesting.....Kathi in OK --- a <paula54@...> wrote: > > The Linus ing Institute at Oregon State > University has an interesting > article on iodine deficiency causing hypothyroidism > as well as fibrocystic > breasts. Since iodine is depleted in soils of our > farmlands, deficiency is > possible especially for those that are on a low salt > diet (Iodine is added > to salt). Iodine is essential to normal thyroid > function. We already know > that there is a major link between autoimmunity and > hormones, so thyroid > function may be a clue. When deficient in iodine, > goiter, an enlargement of > the thyroid results. But what if it¹s just a > chronic deficiency not enough > to cause goiter? > > The thyroid gets iodine from the blood and the blood > gets it from the > stomach. Malabsorption problems may lead to > deficiency. Our bodies don¹t > store iodine, so if we don¹t get it in our daily > diet, we will be deficient. > Fish, shellfish, and sea vegetables are the richest > sources. Kelp is the > most common sea vegetable and is high in iodine. > Kelp is also rich in other > minerals and low in sodium and is a good seasoning > substitute for salt. It > can be found in all health food stores. I sprinkle > a bit on most everything > that I would normally salt. I don¹t use commercial > salt because it contains > aluminum and other chemicals. I use sea salt which > is obtained from > evaporated sea water and kelp for my iodine and > other minerals. > Other sources are milk, but only if the soil were > they graze is rich in > iodine. Eggs may have iodine if their feed has been > enriched with iodine. > Plant content depends on the soil also. > > In a deficiency, the thyroid enlarges in order to > try to get more iodine > from the blood. Goiter was first noted in the Great > Lakes region which was > called the " goiter belt " and included that area and > the midwestern and > plains states. In the 1930s, approximately 40 > percent of the people in > Michigan had goiter, due mainly to iodine-deficient > soil when glacier > melting had washed away the iodine. This is when > they started adding iodine > to our salt. Michigan was the first state to use > iodized salt back in the > 40¹s. Symptoms include fatigue, cold sensitivity, > slow pulse rate, weight > gain even when not eating a lot, constipation, > menstrual irregularities, > elevated cholesterol levels, muscle pain, hair loss, > dry skin, brittle > nails, poor memory and concentration, depression, > low libido, anxiety, and > many more. > Thyroid hormones regulate the metabolism of the body > and also set the basal > metabolic rate (BMR). This is the number of > calories that you¹d burn if you > stayed in bed all day. Nerve and bone formation, > reproduction, the condition > of the skin, hair, nails, and teeth, our mental > state, cholesterol and > protein synthesis, the conversion of carotene to > vitamin A , carbohydrate > absorption are all influenced by the thyroid. > > http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/infocenter/minerals/iodine/iodine.html > > > Breast Cancer: The Iodine and Thyroid Connection > A starting point: fibrocystic disease > > http://www.bites-medical.org/brcan/ioconn.html > > Several studies that link low iodine to fibrocystic > breasts: > http://www.ithyroid.com/fibrocystic_breast_disease.htm > > How Your Thyroid Works > http://www.endocrineweb.com/thyfunction.html > > a > > a or ...have either of you seen anything > linking fibrocystic > breasts and autoimmune disease...someone asked me > and I did a search > but didnt come up with much...I thought maybe in > your researches you > might have come across something...I know it is not > uncommon for women > to have fibrocystic breasts , but I never had heard > of a connection > with autoimmune diseases ....any info would be > greatly > appreciated....Kathi in OK > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Hello Interesting article but I am not sure what the inference is here to the fibrocystic breast disease. Could you please expound on the connection even though I read the article. Thankyou Devaughan -- On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:32:08 a wrote: > >The Linus ing Institute at Oregon State University has an interesting >article on iodine deficiency causing hypothyroidism as well as fibrocystic >breasts. Since iodine is depleted in soils of our farmlands, deficiency is >possible especially for those that are on a low salt diet (Iodine is added >to salt). Iodine is essential to normal thyroid function. We already know >that there is a major link between autoimmunity and hormones, so thyroid >function may be a clue. When deficient in iodine, goiter, an enlargement of >the thyroid results. But what if it¹s just a chronic deficiency not enough >to cause goiter? > >The thyroid gets iodine from the blood and the blood gets it from the >stomach. Malabsorption problems may lead to deficiency. Our bodies don¹t >store iodine, so if we don¹t get it in our daily diet, we will be deficient. >Fish, shellfish, and sea vegetables are the richest sources. Kelp is the >most common sea vegetable and is high in iodine. Kelp is also rich in other >minerals and low in sodium and is a good seasoning substitute for salt. It >can be found in all health food stores. I sprinkle a bit on most everything >that I would normally salt. I don¹t use commercial salt because it contains >aluminum and other chemicals. I use sea salt which is obtained from >evaporated sea water and kelp for my iodine and other minerals. >Other sources are milk, but only if the soil were they graze is rich in >iodine. Eggs may have iodine if their feed has been enriched with iodine. >Plant content depends on the soil also. > >In a deficiency, the thyroid enlarges in order to try to get more iodine >from the blood. Goiter was first noted in the Great Lakes region which was >called the " goiter belt " and included that area and the midwestern and >plains states. In the 1930s, approximately 40 percent of the people in >Michigan had goiter, due mainly to iodine-deficient soil when glacier >melting had washed away the iodine. This is when they started adding iodine >to our salt. Michigan was the first state to use iodized salt back in the >40¹s. Symptoms include fatigue, cold sensitivity, slow pulse rate, weight >gain even when not eating a lot, constipation, menstrual irregularities, >elevated cholesterol levels, muscle pain, hair loss, dry skin, brittle >nails, poor memory and concentration, depression, low libido, anxiety, and >many more. >Thyroid hormones regulate the metabolism of the body and also set the basal >metabolic rate (BMR). This is the number of calories that you¹d burn if you >stayed in bed all day. Nerve and bone formation, reproduction, the condition >of the skin, hair, nails, and teeth, our mental state, cholesterol and >protein synthesis, the conversion of carotene to vitamin A , carbohydrate >absorption are all influenced by the thyroid. > >http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/infocenter/minerals/iodine/iodine.html > > >Breast Cancer: The Iodine and Thyroid Connection >A starting point: fibrocystic disease > >http://www.bites-medical.org/brcan/ioconn.html > >Several studies that link low iodine to fibrocystic breasts: >http://www.ithyroid.com/fibrocystic_breast_disease.htm > >How Your Thyroid Works >http://www.endocrineweb.com/thyfunction.html > >a > >a or ...have either of you seen anything linking fibrocystic >breasts and autoimmune disease...someone asked me and I did a search >but didnt come up with much...I thought maybe in your researches you >might have come across something...I know it is not uncommon for women >to have fibrocystic breasts , but I never had heard of a connection >with autoimmune diseases ....any info would be greatly >appreciated....Kathi in OK > > > > > __________________________________________________________ Win a First Class Trip to Hawaii to Vacation Elvis Style! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail/http://www.elvis.lycos.com/sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Hello Thank you for this information however the warnings are no more than 10,000 iu from Vitamin A This was the surgeon's warning for possible consequences of overdosing on Vitamin A Vitamin A Toxicity http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section1/chapter3/3c.htm The information is there to embrace or discard, I do believe it would have to be determined by oneself but having been warned by the surgeon,I would think that too high. Devaughan -- On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:42:49 a wrote: >Welcome Devaughan, >I¹ve read that there are a few vitamins that help. I¹m glad they worked for >you. Thanks. > >Vitamins and Minerals for Breast Cysts >The following vitamins and minerals can be helpful in reducing and >preventing breast cysts: > >Vitamin A >Vitamin A has been found to be useful in reducing both the pain symptoms and >the size of the breast lesions in women with fibrocystic breast disease. At >the University of Montreal Medical School, where high doses of vitamin A >were administered (150,000 IU daily) to a small research group of volunteer >women. The women studied had documented benign breast disease with moderate >to severe pain symptoms. Their breast tenderness had not previously >responded to mild analgesic medication (painkillers) or cessation of >caffeine use. Eighty percent of the women tested had beneficial results with >vitamin A and a dramatic reduction in the level of pain. The lessening of >breast pain was still evident eight months after the study ended. Forty >percent of the women had at least a 50 percent decrease in the size of their >breast lumps. One drawback, though, is that vitamin A in high doses can >cause toxic symptoms. Vitamin A derived from fish sources is an oil-based >product which can accumulate to high levels in the liver, where it is >stored. Several women in this study had severe headaches from the high >dosage of vitamin A taken, and several other women had more mild side >effects. > >To avoid the risk of side effects from fish oil-based vitamin A, it is safer >for most women to use the provitamin A, beta carotene. Beta carotene is >found abundantly in many yellow, orange, red, and dark green fruits and >vegetables. It is converted to vitamin A by the liver and intestines as >needed by the body. In fact, many women who eat a plant-based diet can >easily ingest 50,000 to 100,000 IU of beta carotene on a daily basis. (One >cup of carrot juice or one sweet potato contains 20,000 IU of beta >carotene). Supplements of beta carotene are also readily available in health >food stores and pharmacies. > >Vitamin E >In several controlled studies, vitamin E was found to be quite helpful in >reducing the pain and tenderness, as well as the size, of breast lumps. In >one study, where subjects were given 600 IU of vitamin E for two menstrual >cycles, 80 percent showed a positive response. Another study of 29 women >with fibrocystic breast lumps, which worsen premenstrually, showed again a >good response to vitamin E treatments. At doses of 500 or 600 IU per day, 16 >women had moderate to total symptom relief. The other 13 women had reduction >of cyst size or complete disappearance of the cysts. > >Iodine >In animal studies, iodine deficient rats were found to develop breast >changes similar to human fibrocystic disease. Human studies have also >suggested that women who are iodine deficient may have a predisposition >towards developing breast cysts. Iodine is needed by the body for the >production of the thyroid hormone. Lack of adequate thyroid hormone also >affects the menstrual cycle. > >Sea vegetables such as nori, kelp, and dulse, found in the produce section >of health food stores, are good sources of iodine. Dulse is also available >in liquid drops, while kelp is available in tablets. Kelp also comes in >powdered form and can be used in cooking as a good salt substitute. > >Essential Fatty Acids >Several studies have looked at the beneficial effects of evening primrose >oil on fibrocystic breast disease. Evening primrose oil is an excellent >source of the essential fatty acid, linoleic acid, and its chemical >derivative, gamma linolenic acid (GLA). In one study of 291 women with >severe breast pain, 45 percent of the women had symptom relief with the use >of evening primrose oil. Another study of 41 women showed equally good >symptom relief. The beneficial results were maintained in women who >continued to use evening primrose oil after the study ended. Typical dosages >used were 1500 mg twice a day. (This would amount to taking 6 of the 500 mg >capsules commonly available.) In my experience, some women need to go as >high as 9 to 12 capsules per day for relief of severe symptoms. Borage oil >and black currant oil are more concentrated sources of GLA, so the number of >capsules necessary is reduced. For example, 3 or 4 capsules per day of >borage oil may be sufficient. > > >> Hello >> I am new >> My name is Devaughan >> I was told by a surgeon who biopsied my fibrocystic breast disease to always >> make sure I took 800 mg of Vitamin E every day. Double the dose. I have never >> had problems. That was in 1978 >> He was way ahead of his time but strongly believed it would dissipate the >> lumps. >> For me it worked >> A suggestion for anyone to embrace or discard >> Devaughan >> -- >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Kathi - When I was having a lot of problems with breast pain due to fibroids, my gyno told me " you many think this is strange but just stop drinking caffinated drinks and you will feel better and the pain will be gone within a month. " It was true. I cut out caffine in cold drinks for about a year. It wasn't until another year went by while I was drinking them again that the pain started up. Iris --- Kathi in OK <iamladybird@...> wrote: > Thank You a...very interesting.....Kathi in OK > --- a <paula54@...> wrote: > > > > The Linus ing Institute at Oregon State > > University has an interesting > > article on iodine deficiency causing > hypothyroidism > > as well as fibrocystic > > breasts. Since iodine is depleted in soils of > our > > farmlands, deficiency is > > possible especially for those that are on a low > salt > > diet (Iodine is added > > to salt). Iodine is essential to normal thyroid > > function. We already know > > that there is a major link between autoimmunity > and > > hormones, so thyroid > > function may be a clue. When deficient in iodine, > > goiter, an enlargement of > > the thyroid results. But what if it1s just a > > chronic deficiency not enough > > to cause goiter? > > > > The thyroid gets iodine from the blood and the > blood > > gets it from the > > stomach. Malabsorption problems may lead to > > deficiency. Our bodies don1t > > store iodine, so if we don1t get it in our daily > > diet, we will be deficient. > > Fish, shellfish, and sea vegetables are the > richest > > sources. Kelp is the > > most common sea vegetable and is high in iodine. > > Kelp is also rich in other > > minerals and low in sodium and is a good > seasoning > > substitute for salt. It > > can be found in all health food stores. I > sprinkle > > a bit on most everything > > that I would normally salt. I don1t use > commercial > > salt because it contains > > aluminum and other chemicals. I use sea salt > which > > is obtained from > > evaporated sea water and kelp for my iodine and > > other minerals. > > Other sources are milk, but only if the soil were > > they graze is rich in > > iodine. Eggs may have iodine if their feed has > been > > enriched with iodine. > > Plant content depends on the soil also. > > > > In a deficiency, the thyroid enlarges in order to > > try to get more iodine > > from the blood. Goiter was first noted in the > Great > > Lakes region which was > > called the " goiter belt " and included that area > and > > the midwestern and > > plains states. In the 1930s, approximately 40 > > percent of the people in > > Michigan had goiter, due mainly to > iodine-deficient > > soil when glacier > > melting had washed away the iodine. This is when > > they started adding iodine > > to our salt. Michigan was the first state to use > > iodized salt back in the > > 401s. Symptoms include fatigue, cold sensitivity, > > slow pulse rate, weight > > gain even when not eating a lot, constipation, > > menstrual irregularities, > > elevated cholesterol levels, muscle pain, hair > loss, > > dry skin, brittle > > nails, poor memory and concentration, depression, > > low libido, anxiety, and > > many more. > > Thyroid hormones regulate the metabolism of the > body > > and also set the basal > > metabolic rate (BMR). This is the number of > > calories that you1d burn if you > > stayed in bed all day. Nerve and bone formation, > > reproduction, the condition > > of the skin, hair, nails, and teeth, our mental > > state, cholesterol and > > protein synthesis, the conversion of carotene to > > vitamin A , carbohydrate > > absorption are all influenced by the thyroid. > > > > > http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/infocenter/minerals/iodine/iodine.html > > > > > > Breast Cancer: The Iodine and Thyroid Connection > > A starting point: fibrocystic disease > > > > http://www.bites-medical.org/brcan/ioconn.html > > > > Several studies that link low iodine to > fibrocystic > > breasts: > > > http://www.ithyroid.com/fibrocystic_breast_disease.htm > > > > How Your Thyroid Works > > http://www.endocrineweb.com/thyfunction.html > > > > a > > > > a or ...have either of you seen anything > > linking fibrocystic > > breasts and autoimmune disease...someone asked me > > and I did a search > > but didnt come up with much...I thought maybe in > > your researches you > > might have come across something...I know it is > not > > uncommon for women > > to have fibrocystic breasts , but I never had > heard > > of a connection > > with autoimmune diseases ....any info would be > > greatly > > appreciated....Kathi in OK > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Hello I echo this sentiment strongly also! Devaughan -- On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:14:22 Iris Nosker wrote: >Kathi - When I was having a lot of problems with >breast pain due to fibroids, my gyno told me " you many >think this is strange but just stop drinking >caffinated drinks and you will feel better and the >pain will be gone within a month. " It was true. I >cut out caffine in cold drinks for about a year. It >wasn't until another year went by while I was drinking >them again that the pain started up. Iris > >--- Kathi in OK <iamladybird@...> wrote: >> Thank You a...very interesting.....Kathi in OK >> --- a <paula54@...> wrote: >> > >> > The Linus ing Institute at Oregon State >> > University has an interesting >> > article on iodine deficiency causing >> hypothyroidism >> > as well as fibrocystic >> > breasts. Since iodine is depleted in soils of >> our >> > farmlands, deficiency is >> > possible especially for those that are on a low >> salt >> > diet (Iodine is added >> > to salt). Iodine is essential to normal thyroid >> > function. We already know >> > that there is a major link between autoimmunity >> and >> > hormones, so thyroid >> > function may be a clue. When deficient in iodine, >> > goiter, an enlargement of >> > the thyroid results. But what if it1s just a >> > chronic deficiency not enough >> > to cause goiter? >> > >> > The thyroid gets iodine from the blood and the >> blood >> > gets it from the >> > stomach. Malabsorption problems may lead to >> > deficiency. Our bodies don1t >> > store iodine, so if we don1t get it in our daily >> > diet, we will be deficient. >> > Fish, shellfish, and sea vegetables are the >> richest >> > sources. Kelp is the >> > most common sea vegetable and is high in iodine. >> > Kelp is also rich in other >> > minerals and low in sodium and is a good >> seasoning >> > substitute for salt. It >> > can be found in all health food stores. I >> sprinkle >> > a bit on most everything >> > that I would normally salt. I don1t use >> commercial >> > salt because it contains >> > aluminum and other chemicals. I use sea salt >> which >> > is obtained from >> > evaporated sea water and kelp for my iodine and >> > other minerals. >> > Other sources are milk, but only if the soil were >> > they graze is rich in >> > iodine. Eggs may have iodine if their feed has >> been >> > enriched with iodine. >> > Plant content depends on the soil also. >> > >> > In a deficiency, the thyroid enlarges in order to >> > try to get more iodine >> > from the blood. Goiter was first noted in the >> Great >> > Lakes region which was >> > called the " goiter belt " and included that area >> and >> > the midwestern and >> > plains states. In the 1930s, approximately 40 >> > percent of the people in >> > Michigan had goiter, due mainly to >> iodine-deficient >> > soil when glacier >> > melting had washed away the iodine. This is when >> > they started adding iodine >> > to our salt. Michigan was the first state to use >> > iodized salt back in the >> > 401s. Symptoms include fatigue, cold sensitivity, >> > slow pulse rate, weight >> > gain even when not eating a lot, constipation, >> > menstrual irregularities, >> > elevated cholesterol levels, muscle pain, hair >> loss, >> > dry skin, brittle >> > nails, poor memory and concentration, depression, >> > low libido, anxiety, and >> > many more. >> > Thyroid hormones regulate the metabolism of the >> body >> > and also set the basal >> > metabolic rate (BMR). This is the number of >> > calories that you1d burn if you >> > stayed in bed all day. Nerve and bone formation, >> > reproduction, the condition >> > of the skin, hair, nails, and teeth, our mental >> > state, cholesterol and >> > protein synthesis, the conversion of carotene to >> > vitamin A , carbohydrate >> > absorption are all influenced by the thyroid. >> > >> > >> >http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/infocenter/minerals/iodine/iodine.html >> > >> > >> > Breast Cancer: The Iodine and Thyroid Connection >> > A starting point: fibrocystic disease >> > >> > http://www.bites-medical.org/brcan/ioconn.html >> > >> > Several studies that link low iodine to >> fibrocystic >> > breasts: >> > >> >http://www.ithyroid.com/fibrocystic_breast_disease.htm >> > >> > How Your Thyroid Works >> > http://www.endocrineweb.com/thyfunction.html >> > >> > a >> > >> > a or ...have either of you seen anything >> > linking fibrocystic >> > breasts and autoimmune disease...someone asked me >> > and I did a search >> > but didnt come up with much...I thought maybe in >> > your researches you >> > might have come across something...I know it is >> not >> > uncommon for women >> > to have fibrocystic breasts , but I never had >> heard >> > of a connection >> > with autoimmune diseases ....any info would be >> > greatly >> > appreciated....Kathi in OK >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Iris, I had the same problem and my gyno also told me to quit the coffee. I was drinking At least 8 cups a day. I cut down and it helped. a > Kathi - When I was having a lot of problems with > breast pain due to fibroids, my gyno told me " you many > think this is strange but just stop drinking > caffinated drinks and you will feel better and the > pain will be gone within a month. " It was true. I > cut out caffine in cold drinks for about a year. It > wasn't until another year went by while I was drinking > them again that the pain started up. Iris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Devaughan, The connection is that according to their research, iodine deficiency has been linked to fibrocystic breast disease. The relationship between hormones and autoimmunity has been the subject of many studies. http://www.aarda.org/hormone_art2.html I am merely speculating on some interesting facts and how they may pertain to autoimmune disease. a > Hello > Interesting article but I am not sure what the inference is here to the > fibrocystic breast disease. > > Could you please expound on the connection even though I read the article. > > Thankyou > Devaughan > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Devaughan, The article also stated that the levels they did the study with were toxic levels. This was just a study they did to see if it was effective. Since it was effective, but toxic, they said a diet rich in beta carotene which is found abundantly in many yellow, orange, red, and dark green fruits and Vegetables, would be safer. Your surgeon is right, and everyone should discuss supplements with their doctor. a > Hello > Thank you for this information however the warnings are no more than 10,000 iu > from Vitamin A > > This was the surgeon's warning for possible consequences of overdosing on > Vitamin A > > Vitamin A Toxicity > http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section1/chapter3/3c.htm > > The information is there to embrace or discard, I do believe it would have to > be determined by oneself but having been warned by the surgeon,I would think > that too high. > Devaughan > -- > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:42:49 > a wrote: >> Welcome Devaughan, >> I?ve read that there are a few vitamins that help. I?m glad they worked for >> you. Thanks. >> >> Vitamins and Minerals for Breast Cysts >> The following vitamins and minerals can be helpful in reducing and >> preventing breast cysts: >> >> Vitamin A >> Vitamin A has been found to be useful in reducing both the pain symptoms and >> the size of the breast lesions in women with fibrocystic breast disease. At >> the University of Montreal Medical School, where high doses of vitamin A >> were administered (150,000 IU daily) to a small research group of volunteer >> women. The women studied had documented benign breast disease with moderate >> to severe pain symptoms. Their breast tenderness had not previously >> responded to mild analgesic medication (painkillers) or cessation of >> caffeine use. Eighty percent of the women tested had beneficial results with >> vitamin A and a dramatic reduction in the level of pain. The lessening of >> breast pain was still evident eight months after the study ended. Forty >> percent of the women had at least a 50 percent decrease in the size of their >> breast lumps. One drawback, though, is that vitamin A in high doses can >> cause toxic symptoms. Vitamin A derived from fish sources is an oil-based >> product which can accumulate to high levels in the liver, where it is >> stored. Several women in this study had severe headaches from the high >> dosage of vitamin A taken, and several other women had more mild side >> effects. >> >> To avoid the risk of side effects from fish oil-based vitamin A, it is safer >> for most women to use the provitamin A, beta carotene. Beta carotene is >> found abundantly in many yellow, orange, red, and dark green fruits and >> vegetables. It is converted to vitamin A by the liver and intestines as >> needed by the body. In fact, many women who eat a plant-based diet can >> easily ingest 50,000 to 100,000 IU of beta carotene on a daily basis. (One >> cup of carrot juice or one sweet potato contains 20,000 IU of beta >> carotene). Supplements of beta carotene are also readily available in health >> food stores and pharmacies. >> >> Vitamin E >> In several controlled studies, vitamin E was found to be quite helpful in >> reducing the pain and tenderness, as well as the size, of breast lumps. In >> one study, where subjects were given 600 IU of vitamin E for two menstrual >> cycles, 80 percent showed a positive response. Another study of 29 women >> with fibrocystic breast lumps, which worsen premenstrually, showed again a >> good response to vitamin E treatments. At doses of 500 or 600 IU per day, 16 >> women had moderate to total symptom relief. The other 13 women had reduction >> of cyst size or complete disappearance of the cysts. >> >> Iodine >> In animal studies, iodine deficient rats were found to develop breast >> changes similar to human fibrocystic disease. Human studies have also >> suggested that women who are iodine deficient may have a predisposition >> towards developing breast cysts. Iodine is needed by the body for the >> production of the thyroid hormone. Lack of adequate thyroid hormone also >> affects the menstrual cycle. >> >> Sea vegetables such as nori, kelp, and dulse, found in the produce section >> of health food stores, are good sources of iodine. Dulse is also available >> in liquid drops, while kelp is available in tablets. Kelp also comes in >> powdered form and can be used in cooking as a good salt substitute. >> >> Essential Fatty Acids >> Several studies have looked at the beneficial effects of evening primrose >> oil on fibrocystic breast disease. Evening primrose oil is an excellent >> source of the essential fatty acid, linoleic acid, and its chemical >> derivative, gamma linolenic acid (GLA). In one study of 291 women with >> severe breast pain, 45 percent of the women had symptom relief with the use >> of evening primrose oil. Another study of 41 women showed equally good >> symptom relief. The beneficial results were maintained in women who >> continued to use evening primrose oil after the study ended. Typical dosages >> used were 1500 mg twice a day. (This would amount to taking 6 of the 500 mg >> capsules commonly available.) In my experience, some women need to go as >> high as 9 to 12 capsules per day for relief of severe symptoms. Borage oil >> and black currant oil are more concentrated sources of GLA, so the number of >> capsules necessary is reduced. For example, 3 or 4 capsules per day of >> borage oil may be sufficient. >> >> >>> Hello >>> I am new >>> My name is Devaughan >>> I was told by a surgeon who biopsied my fibrocystic breast disease to always >>> make sure I took 800 mg of Vitamin E every day. Double the dose. I have >>> never >>> had problems. That was in 1978 >>> He was way ahead of his time but strongly believed it would dissipate the >>> lumps. >>> For me it worked >>> A suggestion for anyone to embrace or discard >>> Devaughan >>> -- >>> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Iris, I was told the same thing years ago....like 1988 by my gyn and I quit caffeine and it is true for me....sometimes(not very often as i drink water most of the time) I have to drink caffeinated sodas cos I cant get the decaf kind and I get the breast pains again.....I drink decaf teas, coffees, and sodas....Judy in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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