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Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I wonder if this slow function is due to stressed out over-active adrenals. This is something I am workig on at the moment so I don't have the picture absolutely clearly in my mind but we do know that any form of stress in or on the body will cause athe brain to issue chemicals which result in a cascade of events This in turn activates the SYMPATHETIC nervous system. It is this system which SLOWS down the entire digestion process. (As my lecturere explained 'You don't want to have to stop and poop when you are trying to escape the clutches of a lion!' If the sympathetic nervous system continues to be activated due to the body's perception of continual stress, then I would think chronic constipation would ensue. BTW that was a hulluva an interesting study you posted about fatty acids. Did you notice that white refned foods can possibly contribute to oxidative stress? So maybe eliminating these foods ( going GFCF) actually reduces the stress on the body, thereby giving the adrenals a rest. Particularly interesting are reports from mothers over the years who claim that GFCF is necessary for only a set time and that the children can go back on these refined foods once more. Maybe what is happening is that the adenals, having been totally worked to exhaustion, are now fully functional again. Having said that, I myself wouldn't go back to refined foods now that I see they are stressing out the poor adrenals. The Eva family schrieb: > > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cookie\ Set=1 & journalCode=apt > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt> > > Sally > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 26/04/2008 14:17 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Sorry, delayed gastric emptying would also occur when the sympathetic nervous system is continually activated... JULIE GRIFFITHS schrieb: > > I wonder if this slow function is due to stressed out over-active > adrenals. > > This is something I am workig on at the moment so I don't have the > picture absolutely clearly in my mind but we do know that any form of > stress in or on the body will cause athe brain to issue chemicals which > result in a cascade of events This in turn activates the SYMPATHETIC > nervous system. It is this system which SLOWS down the entire digestion > process. (As my lecturere explained 'You don't want to have to stop and > poop when you are trying to escape the clutches of a lion!' If the > sympathetic nervous system continues to be activated due to the body's > perception of continual stress, then I would think chronic constipation > would ensue. > > BTW that was a hulluva an interesting study you posted about fatty > acids. Did you notice that white refned foods can possibly contribute to > oxidative stress? So maybe eliminating these foods ( going GFCF) > actually reduces the stress on the body, thereby giving the adrenals a > rest. Particularly interesting are reports from mothers over the years > who claim that GFCF is necessary for only a set time and that the > children can go back on these refined foods once more. Maybe what is > happening is that the adenals, having been totally worked to exhaustion, > are now fully functional again. Having said that, I myself wouldn't go > back to refined foods now that I see they are stressing out the poor > adrenals. > > > > The > > Eva family schrieb: > > > > > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cookie\ Set=1 & journalCode=apt > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt> > > > > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt>> > > > > Sally > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: > 26/04/2008 14:17 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 26/04/2008 14:17 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Your second par-- that's exactly what I meant. He is saying that EFA's and low carbohydrate diets (like SCD) help people with autism (amongst others) by reducing oxidative stress. He's been banging on about EFAs being good for ADHD, depression and Chronic Fatigue Syndrom e for ages. Would be lovely if he turned his attention to us Sally JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: > > I wonder if this slow function is due to stressed out over-active > adrenals. > > This is something I am workig on at the moment so I don't have the > picture absolutely clearly in my mind but we do know that any form of > stress in or on the body will cause athe brain to issue chemicals which > result in a cascade of events This in turn activates the SYMPATHETIC > nervous system. It is this system which SLOWS down the entire digestion > process. (As my lecturere explained 'You don't want to have to stop and > poop when you are trying to escape the clutches of a lion!' If the > sympathetic nervous system continues to be activated due to the body's > perception of continual stress, then I would think chronic constipation > would ensue. > > BTW that was a hulluva an interesting study you posted about fatty > acids. Did you notice that white refned foods can possibly contribute to > oxidative stress? So maybe eliminating these foods ( going GFCF) > actually reduces the stress on the body, thereby giving the adrenals a > rest. Particularly interesting are reports from mothers over the years > who claim that GFCF is necessary for only a set time and that the > children can go back on these refined foods once more. Maybe what is > happening is that the adenals, having been totally worked to exhaustion, > are now fully functional again. Having said that, I myself wouldn't go > back to refined foods now that I see they are stressing out the poor > adrenals. > > > > The > > Eva family schrieb: > > > > > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cookie\ Set=1 & journalCode=apt > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt> > > > > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt>> > > > > Sally > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: > 26/04/2008 14:17 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1395 - Release Date: 24/04/2008 07:24 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Yup.... Eva family schrieb: > > Your second par-- that's exactly what I meant. He is saying that EFA's > and low carbohydrate diets (like SCD) help people with autism (amongst > others) by reducing oxidative stress. He's been banging on about EFAs > being good for ADHD, depression and Chronic Fatigue Syndrom e for > ages. Would be lovely if he turned his attention to us > Sally > > JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: > > > > I wonder if this slow function is due to stressed out over-active > > adrenals. > > > > This is something I am workig on at the moment so I don't have the > > picture absolutely clearly in my mind but we do know that any form of > > stress in or on the body will cause athe brain to issue chemicals which > > result in a cascade of events This in turn activates the SYMPATHETIC > > nervous system. It is this system which SLOWS down the entire digestion > > process. (As my lecturere explained 'You don't want to have to stop and > > poop when you are trying to escape the clutches of a lion!' If the > > sympathetic nervous system continues to be activated due to the body's > > perception of continual stress, then I would think chronic constipation > > would ensue. > > > > BTW that was a hulluva an interesting study you posted about fatty > > acids. Did you notice that white refned foods can possibly contribute to > > oxidative stress? So maybe eliminating these foods ( going GFCF) > > actually reduces the stress on the body, thereby giving the adrenals a > > rest. Particularly interesting are reports from mothers over the years > > who claim that GFCF is necessary for only a set time and that the > > children can go back on these refined foods once more. Maybe what is > > happening is that the adenals, having been totally worked to exhaustion, > > are now fully functional again. Having said that, I myself wouldn't go > > back to refined foods now that I see they are stressing out the poor > > adrenals. > > > > > > > > The > > > > Eva family schrieb: > > > > > > > > > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cookie\ Set=1 & journalCode=apt > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt> > > > > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt> > > > > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2007.03461.x?cooki\ eSet=1 & journalCode=apt>>> > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: > > 26/04/2008 14:17 > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1395 - Release Date: > 24/04/2008 07:24 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 26/04/2008 14:17 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 This is very interesting . It makes me think about a few stories I've heard from moms in regard to ABA. This was very traditional, stressful ABA and their kids fell apart and took months to recover to baseline. I've always thought that it was the stress response to the bad ABA that caused a great deal of the problem, and that the adrenal stress that it caused overloaded the kids completely, but I didn't think of other physical problems that would ensue, if you know what I mean. Once the constipation cycle has started, it is very difficult to stop. This really is a vicious cycle. Especially if the thyroid becomes involved after long term adrenal stress. I would wonder though about the GFCF success. Most of the stories I've heard about diet is that GFCF is long term, but other diets seem to have a chance a being more curative. SCD, NT, etc. There are so many ways of doing GFCF, but if one goes the margarine, prepackaged bread and donuts route, then I don't see the adrenals getting any help at all. I would think that other diets are *generally more supportive of the adrenals?? I hope you keep reporting back to us on this. I really believe it is one of the most important things to look at for many of our kids and yet I really don't hear much about it from practitioners. On different approach to the whole problem of constipation, some kids (like mine) have a fairly good response to massaging the ileocecal valve. Our chiro in Canada showed us how. It really did work for my son, who would be backed up with poop for days and unable to successfully push, yet a couple hours after the massage would have a bm. It didn't work all the time, but every little bit helps. You can get a practitioner to show you how. Anita > > I wonder if this slow function is due to stressed out over-active adrenals. > > This is something I am workig on at the moment so I don't have the > picture absolutely clearly in my mind but we do know that any form of > stress in or on the body will cause athe brain to issue chemicals which > result in a cascade of events This in turn activates the SYMPATHETIC > nervous system. It is this system which SLOWS down the entire digestion > process. (As my lecturere explained 'You don't want to have to stop and > poop when you are trying to escape the clutches of a lion!' If the > sympathetic nervous system continues to be activated due to the body's > perception of continual stress, then I would think chronic constipation > would ensue. > > BTW that was a hulluva an interesting study you posted about fatty > acids. Did you notice that white refned foods can possibly contribute to > oxidative stress? So maybe eliminating these foods ( going GFCF) > actually reduces the stress on the body, thereby giving the adrenals a > rest. Particularly interesting are reports from mothers over the years > who claim that GFCF is necessary for only a set time and that the > children can go back on these refined foods once more. Maybe what is > happening is that the adenals, having been totally worked to exhaustion, > are now fully functional again. Having said that, I myself wouldn't go > back to refined foods now that I see they are stressing out the poor > adrenals. > > > > The > > Eva family schrieb: > > > > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365- 2036.2007.03461.x?cookieSet=1 & journalCode=apt > > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365- 2036.2007.03461.x?cookieSet=1 & journalCode=apt> > > > > Sally > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 26/04/2008 14:17 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Anita, Do you remember the poll I set up several months ago asking the question, " If you feel a vaccine contributed to your child's autism, what month was the suspect vaccine administered?' (or in words close to this) I set the same poll up on Chelating2, ABMD, Autism-Mercury and ours. I also clearly stated I wanted respondants from the Northern Hemisphere only. Approximately 150 mothers reported back, unfortunatelly too small to make any real conclusion statistically BUT nevertheless, it seems that MOST of the suspect vaccines were administered OUTSIDE of the summer months! Now then after this poll was set up Jule Gerbarding made a statement on CNN that it was known that vaccines can be seen as stressors in some cases. So my theory is: Lack of Vitamin D leading to low immunity. Winter time vaccines impact at this time and cause some stress to the Vitamin D deficient immune system. (And in the case of the live virus MMR, can the immune compromised child withstand these three live viruses?? ) Cortisol is released to modulate the stress. Faced with turmoil in the immune system, cortisol continuies to be released. The Sympathetic Nervous system goes into overdrive... Symptomatic of this would be: Dilated pupils!! Slowed digestion (slow gastric emptying, slowed gut motility, impaired intestinal absorption !!! Sleep disturbances because the cortisol remains high (sleep occurs when levels reduce) Always on the go! I shall stop here and have a look at this more closely as I do not want to get this mixed up with what the parasympathetic system does. How does that sound so far?? :-)) Anita schrieb: > > This is very interesting . It makes me think about a few > stories I've heard from moms in regard to ABA. This was very > traditional, stressful ABA and their kids fell apart and took months > to recover to baseline. I've always thought that it was the stress > response to the bad ABA that caused a great deal of the problem, and > that the adrenal stress that it caused overloaded the kids > completely, but I didn't think of other physical problems that would > ensue, if you know what I mean. Once the constipation cycle has > started, it is very difficult to stop. This really is a vicious > cycle. Especially if the thyroid becomes involved after long term > adrenal stress. > > I would wonder though about the GFCF success. Most of the stories > I've heard about diet is that GFCF is long term, but other diets seem > to have a chance a being more curative. SCD, NT, etc. There are > so many ways of doing GFCF, but if one goes the margarine, > prepackaged bread and donuts route, then I don't see the adrenals > getting any help at all. I would think that other diets are > *generally more supportive of the adrenals?? > > I hope you keep reporting back to us on this. I really believe it is > one of the most important things to look at for many of our kids and > yet I really don't hear much about it from practitioners. > > On different approach to the whole problem of constipation, some kids > (like mine) have a fairly good response to massaging the ileocecal > valve. Our chiro in Canada showed us how. It really did work for my > son, who would be backed up with poop for days and unable to > successfully push, yet a couple hours after the massage would have a > bm. It didn't work all the time, but every little bit helps. You > can get a practitioner to show you how. > > Anita > > > > > I wonder if this slow function is due to stressed out over-active > adrenals. > > > > This is something I am workig on at the moment so I don't have the > > picture absolutely clearly in my mind but we do know that any form > of > > stress in or on the body will cause athe brain to issue chemicals > which > > result in a cascade of events This in turn activates the > SYMPATHETIC > > nervous system. It is this system which SLOWS down the entire > digestion > > process. (As my lecturere explained 'You don't want to have to stop > and > > poop when you are trying to escape the clutches of a lion!' If the > > sympathetic nervous system continues to be activated due to the > body's > > perception of continual stress, then I would think chronic > constipation > > would ensue. > > > > BTW that was a hulluva an interesting study you posted about fatty > > acids. Did you notice that white refned foods can possibly > contribute to > > oxidative stress? So maybe eliminating these foods ( going GFCF) > > actually reduces the stress on the body, thereby giving the > adrenals a > > rest. Particularly interesting are reports from mothers over the > years > > who claim that GFCF is necessary for only a set time and that the > > children can go back on these refined foods once more. Maybe what > is > > happening is that the adenals, having been totally worked to > exhaustion, > > are now fully functional again. Having said that, I myself wouldn't > go > > back to refined foods now that I see they are stressing out the > poor > > adrenals. > > > > > > > > The > > > > Eva family schrieb: > > > > > > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365- > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-> > 2036.2007.03461.x?cookieSet=1 & journalCode=apt > > > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365- > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-> > 2036.2007.03461.x?cookieSet=1 & journalCode=apt> > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: > 26/04/2008 14:17 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 26/04/2008 14:17 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Anita, Here is a study showing exaggerated cortisol response to stimuli. I would love to know if stimming is correlated with high cortisol. Now that would be very revealing. Anita schrieb: > > This is very interesting . It makes me think about a few > stories I've heard from moms in regard to ABA. This was very > traditional, stressful ABA and their kids fell apart and took months > to recover to baseline. I've always thought that it was the stress > response to the bad ABA that caused a great deal of the problem, and > that the adrenal stress that it caused overloaded the kids > completely, but I didn't think of other physical problems that would > ensue, if you know what I mean. Once the constipation cycle has > started, it is very difficult to stop. This really is a vicious > cycle. Especially if the thyroid becomes involved after long term > adrenal stress. > > I would wonder though about the GFCF success. Most of the stories > I've heard about diet is that GFCF is long term, but other diets seem > to have a chance a being more curative. SCD, NT, etc. There are > so many ways of doing GFCF, but if one goes the margarine, > prepackaged bread and donuts route, then I don't see the adrenals > getting any help at all. I would think that other diets are > *generally more supportive of the adrenals?? > > I hope you keep reporting back to us on this. I really believe it is > one of the most important things to look at for many of our kids and > yet I really don't hear much about it from practitioners. > > On different approach to the whole problem of constipation, some kids > (like mine) have a fairly good response to massaging the ileocecal > valve. Our chiro in Canada showed us how. It really did work for my > son, who would be backed up with poop for days and unable to > successfully push, yet a couple hours after the massage would have a > bm. It didn't work all the time, but every little bit helps. You > can get a practitioner to show you how. > > Anita > > > > > I wonder if this slow function is due to stressed out over-active > adrenals. > > > > This is something I am workig on at the moment so I don't have the > > picture absolutely clearly in my mind but we do know that any form > of > > stress in or on the body will cause athe brain to issue chemicals > which > > result in a cascade of events This in turn activates the > SYMPATHETIC > > nervous system. It is this system which SLOWS down the entire > digestion > > process. (As my lecturere explained 'You don't want to have to stop > and > > poop when you are trying to escape the clutches of a lion!' If the > > sympathetic nervous system continues to be activated due to the > body's > > perception of continual stress, then I would think chronic > constipation > > would ensue. > > > > BTW that was a hulluva an interesting study you posted about fatty > > acids. Did you notice that white refned foods can possibly > contribute to > > oxidative stress? So maybe eliminating these foods ( going GFCF) > > actually reduces the stress on the body, thereby giving the > adrenals a > > rest. Particularly interesting are reports from mothers over the > years > > who claim that GFCF is necessary for only a set time and that the > > children can go back on these refined foods once more. Maybe what > is > > happening is that the adenals, having been totally worked to > exhaustion, > > are now fully functional again. Having said that, I myself wouldn't > go > > back to refined foods now that I see they are stressing out the > poor > > adrenals. > > > > > > > > The > > > > Eva family schrieb: > > > > > > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365- > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-> > 2036.2007.03461.x?cookieSet=1 & journalCode=apt > > > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365- > <http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-> > 2036.2007.03461.x?cookieSet=1 & journalCode=apt> > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: > 26/04/2008 14:17 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 26/04/2008 14:17 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 > > Anita, > > Here is a study showing exaggerated cortisol response to stimuli. I > would love to know if stimming is correlated with high cortisol. Now > that would be very revealing. > > That *would be very interesting . I think one would need to differentiate between kinds of stims though. My son has a few different stim categories. I kind of think that many/most? kids do. One of his stims, on the moving signs you can find here in the UK, changes his personality totally. We have to avoid the signs because if he is around them he becomes possessed by them, his pupils change, and it is the only time he becomes aggressive (when we try to take him away). Other times I've seen him stim when stressed I really have the feeling he's trying to cope, rather than he's being sucked without volition almost. I also believe that the self-injuring would be most important to look at. When my son's adrenals were at the worst, his self-injuring was awful and really not in his control IME. It was like he couldn't stim, he had to immediately move into self-injuring. This has me thinking about the stats on supporting the adrenals successfully. The few people I know who do it seem to have success, but I'm not sure how " easy " it is to do for most kids. Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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