RE: Self-Intro of - Fort Wayne, IN

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milk can be kept for longer than just a couple days. We have drank milk that is well over a week old. We have people that come to our farm once a week and get their week's worth of milk most of them around 5-6 gallons. We have someone that travels about 45 min one way. I know there are others on this list that travel much, longer and farther. It depends on the 'sacrifice' you are willing to make to get good quality, nutritious food. There are some on this list that also get the milk then freeze it. Maybe an option.

hope this helps.

ro

Self-Intro of - Fort Wayne, IN

Hello! My name is (123heathercomcast (DOT) net), and I am new to this group and new to raw dairy in general. I live in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and I have no connections to any dairy farmers unfortunately. I have a 2-year-old son from Guatemala who was diagnosed failure-to-thrive at the age of 10 months when we adopted him. He gained weight when we put him on formula and thrived for about a year, but when we switched from formula to whole milk his weight has been tapering off and then actually dropping. He also had problems with constipation and we thought he was lactose intolerant, so we were advised to switch to soy milk. His weight dropped further, and our doctor seems unconcerned and not particularly helpful. I started doing my own research and talking to family members. My aunt and uncle live on a farm in Missouri, and my aunt (a nurse by trade), extolled the virtues of raw milk and highly encouraged me to try it. I checked out the Weston Price website and the real milk site, and I'm convinced that it's the way to go. My husband is on board, and I am ready and willing to go this route, but unfortunately raw milk is illegal to sell here for human consumption. As far as I can tell, there are two ways around this. I could buy raw milk labeled for pet use and not tell them I'm planning to drink it or feed it to my family. Or I could find a farm that offers goat or cow shares instead, which is what I would prefer to do simply because it seems more open and honest. I have had difficulty finding a source for raw milk that is close to my home. As I understand, the milk can only be kept for a couple of days, so I wouldn't want to drive 45 minutes each way three times a week just to get milk. Anyway, I hope this intro is sufficient, as I'm excited to find out more about raw dairy and to hear about other people's experiences with it. Also, if anyone has any Fort Wayne area connections, please feel free to email me privately. If you have any other questions for me, I'm happy to answer them. Thank you!~

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Most of my customers buy two wks worth. And it last very nicely.

Two people use it up to a month-

As long as it is kept cold and not allowed to get warm.

Liz

To: RawDairy From: tramar@...Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:34:42 -0600Subject: Re: Self-Intro of - Fort Wayne, IN

milk can be kept for longer than just a couple days. We have drank milk that is well over a week old. We have people that come to our farm once a week and get their week's worth of milk most of them around 5-6 gallons. We have someone that travels about 45 min one way. I know there are others on this list that travel much, longer and farther. It depends on the 'sacrifice' you are willing to make to get good quality, nutritious food. There are some on this list that also get the milk then freeze it. Maybe an option.

hope this helps.

ro

Self-Intro of - Fort Wayne, IN

Hello! My name is (123heathercomcast (DOT) net), and I am new to this group and new to raw dairy in general. I live in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and I have no connections to any dairy farmers unfortunately. I have a 2-year-old son from Guatemala who was diagnosed failure-to-thrive at the age of 10 months when we adopted him. He gained weight when we put him on formula and thrived for about a year, but when we switched from formula to whole milk his weight has been tapering off and then actually dropping. He also had problems with constipation and we thought he was lactose intolerant, so we were advised to switch to soy milk. His weight dropped further, and our doctor seems unconcerned and not particularly helpful. I started doing my own research and talking to family members. My aunt and uncle live on a farm in Missouri, and my aunt (a nurse by trade), extolled the virtues of raw milk and highly encouraged me to try it. I checked out the Weston Price website and the real milk site, and I'm convinced that it's the way to go. My husband is on board, and I am ready and willing to go this route, but unfortunately raw milk is illegal to sell here for human consumption. As far as I can tell, there are two ways around this. I could buy raw milk labeled for pet use and not tell them I'm planning to drink it or feed it to my family. Or I could find a farm that offers goat or cow shares instead, which is what I would prefer to do simply because it seems more open and honest. I have had difficulty finding a source for raw milk that is close to my home. As I understand, the milk can only be kept for a couple of days, so I wouldn't want to drive 45 minutes each way three times a week just to get milk. Anyway, I hope this intro is sufficient, as I'm excited to find out more about raw dairy and to hear about other people's experiences with it. Also, if anyone has any Fort Wayne area connections, please feel free to email me privately. If you have any other questions for me, I'm happy to answer them. Thank you!~

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I don't make the drive to the farm very often. I've had zero problems freezing

my milk and then taking it out for making yogurt and kefir and just plain

drinking.

I keep a couple of gallons in the fridge and freeze the rest.

Garret

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On Wed 12/03/08 11:14 AM , Liz Neadow neadow7@... sent:

> Most of my customers buy two wks worth. And it last very nicely.

> Two people use it up to a month-

> As long as it is kept cold and not allowed to get warm.

> Liz

> -------------------------

> To: RawDairy

> From: tramar@...

> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:34:42 -0600

> Subject: Re: Self-Intro of - Fort Wayne, IN

> milk can be kept for longer than just a couple days. We

> have drank milk that is well over a week old. We have people that

> come to our farm once a week and get their week's worth of milk most

> of them around 5-6 gallons. We have someone that travels about 45 min

> one way. I know there are others on this list that travel much, longer

> and farther. It depends on the 'sacrifice' you are willing to make to

> get good quality, nutritious food. There are some on this list that

> also get the milk then freeze it. Maybe an option. hope this helps.

> ro Self-Intro of - Fort Wayne, IN

> Hello! My name is (123heather@... [1]), and I am new

> to

> this group and new to raw dairy in general. I live in Fort Wayne,

> Indiana, and I have no connections to any dairy farmers

> unfortunately.

> I have a 2-year-old son from Guatemala who was diagnosed

> failure-to-thrive at the age of 10 months when we adopted him. He

> gained weight when we put him on formula and thrived for about a

> year,

> but when we switched from formula to whole milk his weight has been

> tapering off and then actually dropping. He also had problems with

> constipation and we thought he was lactose intolerant, so we were

> advised to switch to soy milk. His weight dropped further, and our

> doctor seems unconcerned and not particularly helpful. I started

> doing

> my own research and talking to family members. My aunt and uncle live

>

> on a farm in Missouri, and my aunt (a nurse by trade), extolled the

> virtues of raw milk and highly encouraged me to try it. I checked out

>

> the Weston Price website and the real milk site, and I'm convinced

> that

> it's the way to go. My husband is on board, and I am ready and

> willing

> to go this route, but unfortunately raw milk is illegal to sell here

> for

> human consumption. As far as I can tell, there are two ways around

> this. I could buy raw milk labeled for pet use and not tell them I'm

> planning to drink it or feed it to my family. Or I could find a farm

> that offers goat or cow shares instead, which is what I would prefer

> to

> do simply because it seems more open and honest. I have had

> difficulty

> finding a source for raw milk that is close to my home. As I

> understand, the milk can only be kept for a couple of days, so I

> wouldn't want to drive 45 minutes each way three times a week just to

>

> get milk. Anyway, I hope this intro is sufficient, as I'm excited to

> find out more about raw dairy and to hear about other people's

> experiences with it. Also, if anyone has any Fort Wayne area

> connections, please feel free to email me privately. If you have any

> other questions for me, I'm happy to answer them. Thank you!

> ~

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Hi ,Have you considered goat milk? While I love cow's too, sometimes you can find goat milk or goat shares in your case more available. In Oregon we are able to sell goat milk if we milk less than 9 goats, it's too bad you don't have that option. I'm not sure where you received info that raw milk lasted only a couple days? As long as it is properly stored it will last longer than that and you can freeze it. Personally here at my home, we drink raw milk up to 7 to 10 days. I chill my milk immediately after milking and keep the refrigerator a little cooler and freezing won't hurt it. I know many people who store it that way when their goats are dry during pregnancy. Good luck to you.Subject: Self-Intro of - Fort Wayne, INTo: RawDairy Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 3:56 AM

Hello! My name is (123heathercomcast (DOT) net), and I am new to

this group and new to raw dairy in general. I live in Fort Wayne,

Indiana, and I have no connections to any dairy farmers unfortunately.

I have a 2-year-old son from Guatemala who was diagnosed

failure-to-thrive at the age of 10 months when we adopted him. He

gained weight when we put him on formula and thrived for about a year,

but when we switched from formula to whole milk his weight has been

tapering off and then actually dropping. He also had problems with

constipation and we thought he was lactose intolerant, so we were

advised to switch to soy milk. His weight dropped further, and our

doctor seems unconcerned and not particularly helpful. I started doing

my own research and talking to family members. My aunt and uncle live

on a farm in Missouri, and my aunt (a nurse by trade), extolled the

virtues of raw milk and highly encouraged me to try it. I checked out

the Weston Price website and the real milk site, and I'm convinced that

it's the way to go. My husband is on board, and I am ready and willing

to go this route, but unfortunately raw milk is illegal to sell here for

human consumption. As far as I can tell, there are two ways around

this. I could buy raw milk labeled for pet use and not tell them I'm

planning to drink it or feed it to my family. Or I could find a farm

that offers goat or cow shares instead, which is what I would prefer to

do simply because it seems more open and honest. I have had difficulty

finding a source for raw milk that is close to my home. As I

understand, the milk can only be kept for a couple of days, so I

wouldn't want to drive 45 minutes each way three times a week just to

get milk. Anyway, I hope this intro is sufficient, as I'm excited to

find out more about raw dairy and to hear about other people's

experiences with it. Also, if anyone has any Fort Wayne area

connections, please feel free to email me privately. If you have any

other questions for me, I'm happy to answer them. Thank you!

~

[Guest guest]

I've used mine when it's up to a month old..

As long as the jar was never opened..That's

the best for cherve cheese..I make that alot..

in Ramona,CA..Lindy Haven Goats...

Self-Intro of - Fort Wayne, INTo: RawDairy Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 3:56 AM

Hello! My name is (123heathercomcast (DOT) net), and I am new to this group and new to raw dairy in general. I live in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and I have no connections to any dairy farmers unfortunately. I have a 2-year-old son from Guatemala who was diagnosed failure-to-thrive at the age of 10 months when we adopted him. He gained weight when we put him on formula and thrived for about a year, but when we switched from formula to whole milk his weight has been tapering off and then actually dropping. He also had problems with constipation and we thought he was lactose intolerant, so we were advised to switch to soy milk. His weight dropped further, and our doctor seems unconcerned and not particularly helpful. I started doing my own research and talking to family members. My aunt and uncle live on a farm in Missouri, and my aunt (a nurse by trade), extolled the virtues of raw milk and highly encouraged me to try it. I checked out the Weston Price website and the real milk site, and I'm convinced that it's the way to go. My husband is on board, and I am ready and willing to go this route, but unfortunately raw milk is illegal to sell here for human consumption. As far as I can tell, there are two ways around this. I could buy raw milk labeled for pet use and not tell them I'm planning to drink it or feed it to my family. Or I could find a farm that offers goat or cow shares instead, which is what I would prefer to do simply because it seems more open and honest. I have had difficulty finding a source for raw milk that is close to my home. As I understand, the milk can only be kept for a couple of days, so I wouldn't want to drive 45 minutes each way three times a week just to get milk. Anyway, I hope this intro is sufficient, as I'm excited to find out more about raw dairy and to hear about other people's experiences with it. Also, if anyone has any Fort Wayne area connections, please feel free to email me privately. If you have any other questions for me, I'm happy to answer them. Thank you!~

[Guest guest]

,

I agree with what other folks are saying. My goat milk keeps easily

2 weeks without any noticeable difference in flavor. It really

depends on the quality of the milk to begin with. If the animal is

healthy, getting good quality feeds and the milk is processed quickly

in a hygenic manner, milk consistently kept at cold temps will last.

That said, I have heard people say that if the milk gets jostled alot

(like driving down bumpy roads), it will go bad more quickly. I have

no proof of this, but several folks on a dairy forum said that the

only customers who ever had problems with the taste of their milk

were those you had to travel really bumpy routes. Now it might also

have been that these folks were storing their milk in a refrigerator

that didn't keep a consistent low temp.

While fresh might be " best " , I wouldn't hesitate to freeze milk and I

certainly do it to get me through the dry period. If you freeze milk

for relatively short periods of time (say less than 3 months), I

don't think you'll notice any difference in taste or texture. I

freeze in quart plastic ziploc bags laid flat on a tray or the floor

of a freezer. When I thaw the milk, I cut the plastic off while it

is still frozen and let it thaw at room temp. As soon as it is

thawed (it will still be quite cool), I put a stick blender in it for

a few seconds. If any of the milk fat has separated (texture), it

will blend it back together. This generally isn't an issue when milk

is frozen for short periods of time.

Good luck with your son. I think the raw milk may be just the

ticket. Also, think about making Kefir with your raw milk. He may

need some help with his digestive system and the kefir be very

healing and give him lots of probiotics. If he is lactose

intolerant, he'll likely have less trouble with raw milk and

certainly have less problems with kefir.

Ann

>

> Hello! My name is (123heather@...), and I am new to

> this group and new to raw dairy in general. I live in Fort Wayne,

> Indiana, and I have no connections to any dairy farmers

unfortunately.

> I have a 2-year-old son from Guatemala who was diagnosed

> failure-to-thrive at the age of 10 months when we adopted him. He

> gained weight when we put him on formula and thrived for about a

year,

> but when we switched from formula to whole milk his weight has been

> tapering off and then actually dropping. He also had problems with

> constipation and we thought he was lactose intolerant, so we were

> advised to switch to soy milk. His weight dropped further, and our

> doctor seems unconcerned and not particularly helpful. I started

doing

> my own research and talking to family members. My aunt and uncle

live

> on a farm in Missouri, and my aunt (a nurse by trade), extolled the

> virtues of raw milk and highly encouraged me to try it. I checked

out

> the Weston Price website and the real milk site, and I'm convinced

that

> it's the way to go. My husband is on board, and I am ready and

willing

> to go this route, but unfortunately raw milk is illegal to sell

here for

> human consumption. As far as I can tell, there are two ways around

> this. I could buy raw milk labeled for pet use and not tell them

I'm

> planning to drink it or feed it to my family. Or I could find a

farm

> that offers goat or cow shares instead, which is what I would

prefer to

> do simply because it seems more open and honest. I have had

difficulty

> finding a source for raw milk that is close to my home. As I

> understand, the milk can only be kept for a couple of days, so I

> wouldn't want to drive 45 minutes each way three times a week just

to

> get milk. Anyway, I hope this intro is sufficient, as I'm excited

to

> find out more about raw dairy and to hear about other people's

> experiences with it. Also, if anyone has any Fort Wayne area

> connections, please feel free to email me privately. If you have

any

> other questions for me, I'm happy to answer them. Thank you!

> ~

>