Sleep

[Guest guest]

This was sent to me by a friend who knows I have trouble sleeping. I don't

know how helpful it will be, but I thought I would pass it on. I hope some

of you find it helpful.

P

Subject: sleep

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> A website about sleeeping better >

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Francesca

> I am concerned by your post saying you are taking a prescription sleep aid.

> Most of these tend to diminish the quality of sleep, ie, the deep REM

> sleep. This is very important for GH release and many other benefits.

> Melatonin increases this very phase of the sleep cycle and is thought to

> raise GH as a consequence. Melatonin is non addictive and a potent

> antioxidant.

> Perhaps it is worth a try?

> MM

> PS I've been taking sublinqual M for the last 4 years mainly for its

> antioxidant and Gh boost. Once I forgot it when travelling, but didn't

> notice it at all in the quality and length of sleeping. The sublingual form

> is more accurate in dosage as it seems that many of the other forms are not

> completely absorbed via the stomach.

>

>

Thanks MM for your concern. Bob Apple and I (who have compared sleep

notes) have tried melatonin as well as every herb and remedy known to

man (and woman). I only take

1/4 of a pill about once a week of the Remeron (as little as I can get

away with). And as I said my sleep seems to be slowly improving.

Believe me, we insomniacs have researched every possible remedy there

is, as there's no substitute for a good night's sleep. But I really

appreciate your suggestions.

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[Guest guest]

I found a product " Agrisept " from Essentially Yours to

be outstanding in controlling candida . . . What I

don't like about it is that it's sold multi-level . .

see www.joyv@... . . . However, I've never found

anything else that works as good, including

prescription meds.

Also, for foot pain, Morinda - juice from organically

grown Noni fruit, and available at health food stores

that carry Nature's Sunshine products, is wonderful.

You should expect to see results after taking an ounce

a day after about three weeks.

Rogene

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[Guest guest]

Rogene,

Did the Agrisept help with candida induced brain fog? (Did you have the

brain fog?)

And did the Noni Juice make your foot pain go away?

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: " Rogene S " <saxony01@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:57 AM

Subject: Re: Sleep

> I found a product " Agrisept " from Essentially Yours to

> be outstanding in controlling candida . . . What I

> don't like about it is that it's sold multi-level . .

> see www.joyv@... . . . However, I've never found

> anything else that works as good, including

> prescription meds.

>

> Also, for foot pain, Morinda - juice from organically

> grown Noni fruit, and available at health food stores

> that carry Nature's Sunshine products, is wonderful.

> You should expect to see results after taking an ounce

> a day after about three weeks.

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

I tried a lot of things to feel better . . . I judged

the candida by pain centered around one ear, hearing

loss, and a sore mouth . . . The doctor prescribed

Nystatin (bad for the liver taken long term) which

stopped those symptoms (I think it helped with muscle

pain and fog as well, but those are harder to judge).

However, everytime I finished a round of Nystatin, the

symptoms returned shortly after.

I got exactly the same results with Agrisept. I took

it on and off (mostly on) for about two years . .

..until the symtoms didn't recur when I quit taking it.

I used 12-15 drops three times a day in a glass of

grapefruit juice initially, then reduced it to once a

day after I was symptom free for a few weeks.

The Morinda is amazing! After three weeks, I actually

missed (in a very positive way) the foot pain I had

experienced whenever standing after being a rest for

awhile. However, if I quit using Morinda, the pain

returns. I've tried less expensive brands, (about

$1.00 day) but they haven't worked as well for me as

Nature's Sunshine brand.

Rogene

--- Patty <fdp@...> wrote:

> Rogene,

> Did the Agrisept help with candida induced brain

> fog? (Did you have the

> brain fog?)

> And did the Noni Juice make your foot pain go away?

> Patty

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Rogene S " <saxony01@...>

> < >

> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:57 AM

> Subject: Re: Sleep

>

>

> > I found a product " Agrisept " from Essentially

> Yours to

> > be outstanding in controlling candida . . . What I

> > don't like about it is that it's sold multi-level

> . .

> > see www.joyv@... . . . However, I've never

> found

> > anything else that works as good, including

> > prescription meds.

> >

> > Also, for foot pain, Morinda - juice from

> organically

> > grown Noni fruit, and available at health food

> stores

> > that carry Nature's Sunshine products, is

> wonderful.

> > You should expect to see results after taking an

> ounce

> > a day after about three weeks.

> >

> > Rogene

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I've used nystatin but didn't know about the possible side effects, just

what we need. Wher do you get the other two? agrisept and morinda? I'm

having the eact same conditions you're describing.

Beverley Smalley

----- Original Message -----

From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: Sleep

> I tried a lot of things to feel better . . . I judged

> the candida by pain centered around one ear, hearing

> loss, and a sore mouth . . . The doctor prescribed

> Nystatin (bad for the liver taken long term) which

> stopped those symptoms (I think it helped with muscle

> pain and fog as well, but those are harder to judge).

> However, everytime I finished a round of Nystatin, the

> symptoms returned shortly after.

>

> I got exactly the same results with Agrisept. I took

> it on and off (mostly on) for about two years . .

> .until the symtoms didn't recur when I quit taking it.

> I used 12-15 drops three times a day in a glass of

> grapefruit juice initially, then reduced it to once a

> day after I was symptom free for a few weeks.

>

> The Morinda is amazing! After three weeks, I actually

> missed (in a very positive way) the foot pain I had

> experienced whenever standing after being a rest for

> awhile. However, if I quit using Morinda, the pain

> returns. I've tried less expensive brands, (about

> $1.00 day) but they haven't worked as well for me as

> Nature's Sunshine brand.

>

> Rogene

>

>

> --- Patty <fdp@...> wrote:

> > Rogene,

> > Did the Agrisept help with candida induced brain

> > fog? (Did you have the

> > brain fog?)

> > And did the Noni Juice make your foot pain go away?

> > Patty

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " Rogene S " <saxony01@...>

> > < >

> > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:57 AM

> > Subject: Re: Sleep

> >

> >

> > > I found a product " Agrisept " from Essentially

> > Yours to

> > > be outstanding in controlling candida . . . What I

> > > don't like about it is that it's sold multi-level

> > . .

> > > see www.joyv@... . . . However, I've never

> > found

> > > anything else that works as good, including

> > > prescription meds.

> > >

> > > Also, for foot pain, Morinda - juice from

> > organically

> > > grown Noni fruit, and available at health food

> > stores

> > > that carry Nature's Sunshine products, is

> > wonderful.

> > > You should expect to see results after taking an

> > ounce

> > > a day after about three weeks.

> > >

> > > Rogene

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Be careful with the klonipin. I have friend who was given it for post

trumatic syndrome due to a head injury. She was not only addicted but became

psychotic after long term use..and doctors still continued to prescribe it

to her!

Beverley Smalley

----- Original Message -----

From: <cjheer@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:42 AM

Subject: Sleep

> Well I upped my dose of Klonopin, after reading that article about

> how it helps people with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia and I have

> been sleeping better, cept now the mornings are harder to get up for

> LOL.

>

> anyhow just thought I would share that if you are having sleep issues

> this is a good med, but yeah it can be addicting at least in my own

> opinion,problem now is I am almost out of it so what to do? Well I am

> seeing a rumi today, brand new one, ha, wonder how that will go, can

> everyone pray for me cause I am not too excited about another Dr

> visit but I am on some medications that require monitoring, such as

> that plaquenil, so I have to have some follow up.

>

> I also notice my head feels normal lately and think that the

> plaquenil is working to get rid of the last bit of residual probs I

> had, however I am still achey in my feet....will that ever go away ya

> think?

>

> Thanks, Love

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Agrisept is available multi-level. contact

www.joyv@.... This is Joy Vanderbeck, Arlington,

Texas. Neat lady! Agrisept is very inexpensive

compared to most stuff. Eating sweets kicked off the

symptoms. It's a concentrate made from citrus seeds.

Morinda is a Nature's Sunshine product, available at

health food stores. Call first! Don't buy over the

web! The price is almost double! It should cost you

about $32 a bottle . . .good for one month.

Got company,

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Beverley Smalley <kokomo@...> wrote:

> I've used nystatin but didn't know about the

> possible side effects, just

> what we need. Wher do you get the other two?

> agrisept and morinda? I'm

> having the eact same conditions you're describing.

> Beverley Smalley

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

> < >

> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:24 PM

> Subject: Re: Sleep

>

>

> > I tried a lot of things to feel better . . . I

> judged

> > the candida by pain centered around one ear,

> hearing

> > loss, and a sore mouth . . . The doctor prescribed

> > Nystatin (bad for the liver taken long term) which

> > stopped those symptoms (I think it helped with

> muscle

> > pain and fog as well, but those are harder to

> judge).

> > However, everytime I finished a round of Nystatin,

> the

> > symptoms returned shortly after.

> >

> > I got exactly the same results with Agrisept. I

> took

> > it on and off (mostly on) for about two years . .

> > .until the symtoms didn't recur when I quit taking

> it.

> > I used 12-15 drops three times a day in a glass of

> > grapefruit juice initially, then reduced it to

> once a

> > day after I was symptom free for a few weeks.

> >

> > The Morinda is amazing! After three weeks, I

> actually

> > missed (in a very positive way) the foot pain I

> had

> > experienced whenever standing after being a rest

> for

> > awhile. However, if I quit using Morinda, the pain

> > returns. I've tried less expensive brands, (about

> > $1.00 day) but they haven't worked as well for me

> as

> > Nature's Sunshine brand.

> >

> > Rogene

> >

> >

> > --- Patty <fdp@...> wrote:

> > > Rogene,

> > > Did the Agrisept help with candida induced brain

> > > fog? (Did you have the

> > > brain fog?)

> > > And did the Noni Juice make your foot pain go

> away?

> > > Patty

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: " Rogene S " <saxony01@...>

> > > < >

> > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:57 AM

> > > Subject: Re: Sleep

> > >

> > >

> > > > I found a product " Agrisept " from Essentially

> > > Yours to

> > > > be outstanding in controlling candida . . .

> What I

> > > > don't like about it is that it's sold

> multi-level

> > > . .

> > > > see www.joyv@... . . . However, I've

> never

> > > found

> > > > anything else that works as good, including

> > > > prescription meds.

> > > >

> > > > Also, for foot pain, Morinda - juice from

> > > organically

> > > > grown Noni fruit, and available at health food

> > > stores

> > > > that carry Nature's Sunshine products, is

> > > wonderful.

> > > > You should expect to see results after taking

> an

> > > ounce

> > > > a day after about three weeks.

> > > >

> > > > Rogene

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi e,

Yes, there is, and I'm surprised you do not know this!

MM / NSIF

PS - If you need me to tell you what they are, please let me know! I think

you may be drawing a 'blank', when you know the answer!

[Guest guest]

Is there any way to test for systemic candida? Dr. Kolb-

-any insight would be appreciated.

I have been tested for mycoplasma, and that was

negative. But I'm curious to know if there is actually

a test for candida. Maybe blood cultures?

e

[Guest guest]

There are blood tests and stool tests but I usually diagnosis by symptoms as

the tests are expensive. .

----- Original Message -----

From: <eRene@...>

< >

Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:42 AM

Subject: Re: Sleep

> Is there any way to test for systemic candida? Dr. Kolb-

> -any insight would be appreciated.

>

> I have been tested for mycoplasma, and that was

> negative. But I'm curious to know if there is actually

> a test for candida. Maybe blood cultures?

>

> e

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Diagnose, sorry.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb <drkolb@...>

< >

Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:34 AM

Subject: Re: Sleep

> There are blood tests and stool tests but I usually diagnosis by symptoms

as

> the tests are expensive. .

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <eRene@...>

> < >

> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:42 AM

> Subject: Re: Sleep

>

>

> > Is there any way to test for systemic candida? Dr. Kolb-

> > -any insight would be appreciated.

> >

> > I have been tested for mycoplasma, and that was

> > negative. But I'm curious to know if there is actually

> > a test for candida. Maybe blood cultures?

> >

> > e

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

So what exactly are the symptoms of systemic candida?

And how does one begin to treat themself for it?

e

> Diagnose, sorry.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Dr. Kolb <drkolb@...>

> < >

> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:34 AM

> Subject: Re: Sleep

>

>

> > There are blood tests and stool tests but I usually diagnosis by symptoms

> as

> > the tests are expensive. .

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: <eRene@...>

> > < >

> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:42 AM

> > Subject: Re: Sleep

> >

> >

> > > Is there any way to test for systemic candida? Dr. Kolb-

> > > -any insight would be appreciated.

> > >

> > > I have been tested for mycoplasma, and that was

> > > negative. But I'm curious to know if there is actually

> > > a test for candida. Maybe blood cultures?

> > >

> > > e

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The book " The Yeast Connection " (and a sequel by the

same author) are good books for describing the effects

of systemic yeast, and what you can do about it.

Diet plays a huge role . . . treatment can get things

under control, but you have to do the rest yourself.

Rogene

--- eRene@... wrote:

> So what exactly are the symptoms of systemic

> candida?

> And how does one begin to treat themself for it?

>

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[Guest guest]

Gretchen,

Something in the back of my brain thinks that it remembers you mentioning being

in a sleep study.

Is this right? If so, were you in the study for a specific reason and what were

the results?

I have just been scheduled for a two-night sleep study. The first night just to

observe my sleep patterns, and

The second night to try out a BiPap machine. The theory is that if I have

assisted breathing at night it will conserve energy for daytime. I was also

told by the doctor today that during REM sleep all systems are paralyzed except

for the diaphragm and eyelids. What can I expect at this sleep study? Anyone

else had this?

Ruth

> positive changes in diet and

>sleep habit all

>help to manage my life with Charcot Marie Tooth disease

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[Guest guest]

Hi Joanne: CRONIES usually get along on less sleep so perhaps you're

confusing that with " mild sleep problems " ? Mine started pre-menopausal and

pre-CRON and seem to be what happens with sleep with many people as they

grow older.

I thought perhaps CR would help, but it hasn't. Bob Apple and I had many

on and off list conversations about this and now that he's back on the list,

perhaps he'll have something new to add. Bob and I have tried just about

everything to promote better sleep.

on 9/15/2002 10:19 AM, somejoanne2002 at bhsnz@... wrote:

> Just curious, did you have sleep problems pre-CR or only after you

> started practicing CRON? I do have some mild sleep problems.

> Possibly they are attributable to CRON ... or not. Maybe need more

> calories or carbs or something later in the day?

[Guest guest]

>>Worry and anxiety significantly interfere with sleep, so addressing those issues >>can be very important.

I, too, am one of the people who struggle for sleep every night. When I get into a frame of wanting to go to sleep, my mind switches to high gear to sort out all the problems or concerns I might have. Now I have come up with some pretty good solutions to life's problems, but I have lost so much sleep that that has become a life problem.

I have gone a long way to solving this by setting aside a specific amount of time to "worry " problems though. I once heard that worriers should spend 15 to 20 minutes a day just worrying, maybe with a sheet of paper in hand to jot down our thoughts.

In setting aside the time just to worry, or problem solve, I have found that I can turn this off at bedtime as my mind seems content to know it will get time to sort through problems. Now, this has not solved all of my sleep problems, but it has stopped my brain from kicking into high speed the minute my head hits the pillow to worry about the problems of tomorrow.

Janet S.

[Guest guest]

I've skimmed the book and am afraid there's not much hope for my sleep

situation. Same old, same old, - ie. sleep patterns change as we age and

not much that can be done (yet). But it's good to know I'm normal and that

I have " permission " to take a sleeping pill since the newer ones are

harmless and non-addicting. So although I didn't learn anything new, it's

nice to be reassured.

on 9/16/2002 1:23 PM, Suzanne Cart at massuz@... wrote:

> Dement's book on sleep is so important that I gave it to friends and

> loved-ones for Christmas last year. It will save somebody's life someday, if

> they read it anyway. Did you know that the heavy-eyed feeling you sometimes

> get while driving the car is NOT the first stage of sleepiness? Nope. It's

> the last stage of WAKEFULNESS! Pull over IMMEDIATELY if you feel that way!

> Dement's book is full of such memorable tidbits. It really changed my

> valuation of sleep.

>

> Hugs

> Suz

>

[Guest guest]

I'm shocked...I always thought it was quite the opposite! I always aim

for 8-9 hours sleep a night.

-

> Heard on the radio: (if there's a study out perhaps someone can

post it?

> Al?) adults who get (only) 6 hours of sleep a night live longer.......

[Guest guest]

: you are not an adult

on 10/9/2003 9:00 AM, paultheo2000 at paultheo2000@... wrote:

> I'm shocked...I always thought it was quite the opposite! I always aim

> for 8-9 hours sleep a night.

>

> -

>

>

>> Heard on the radio: (if there's a study out perhaps someone can

> post it?

>> Al?) adults who get (only) 6 hours of sleep a night live longer.......

>

>

[Guest guest]

Um, I still thought 8-9 hours was optimal sleep for an adult...

-

> >> Heard on the radio: (if there's a study out perhaps someone can

> > post it?

> >> Al?) adults who get (only) 6 hours of sleep a night live

longer.......

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>: you are not an adult

That was funny! (unless he really is a child)

Thanks I needed the laugh!

Margar - excited to finally be able to join the diet club

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure we can draw strong conclusions from the amount of sleep we get,

as such a large percentage of the population operates at a sleep deficit.

I'm not sure what this personal experience means but recently, while dealing

with a general malaise (I had a mild fever), I logged about 3-4 nights of

10+ hours sleep. This was notable compared to my typical 8 hours.

While sleep is used by the brain for recharging energy stores and much

housekeeping, there is far more we don't understand about sleep. For now I

would just suggest listening to your body and giving it what it wants.

If interested in learning more, the best reference I've seen so far is " The

Promise of Sleep " by Dement. But I expect we will learn even more in

the future as we do " spend " on the order of 1/3 of our life on this

activity. Re-gaining productive use of this time would be like living tens

of years longer.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: paultheo2000 [mailto:paultheo2000@...]

Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:35 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: sleep

Um, I still thought 8-9 hours was optimal sleep for an adult...

-

> >> Heard on the radio: (if there's a study out perhaps someone can

> > post it?

> >> Al?) adults who get (only) 6 hours of sleep a night live

longer.......

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

: this sounds like a typical bodily reaction to an illness.

on 10/9/2003 11:44 AM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

> I'm not sure what this personal experience means but recently, while dealing

> with a general malaise (I had a mild fever), I logged about 3-4 nights of

> 10+ hours sleep. This was notable compared to my typical 8 hours.

[Guest guest]

Yes, no doubt. But what does it mean?

The body mounting an immune response appears to make you tired in a way that

sleep restores, but what/which way? Understanding of this may lead to direct

ways to mitigate the malaise, but since I'm not aware of any successful

sleep replacements (yet), this is a perhaps an interesting related question.

To me at least.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:08 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: sleep

: this sounds like a typical bodily reaction to an illness.

on 10/9/2003 11:44 AM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

> I'm not sure what this personal experience means but recently, while

dealing

> with a general malaise (I had a mild fever), I logged about 3-4 nights of

> 10+ hours sleep. This was notable compared to my typical 8 hours.