Sleep

[Guest guest]

I find sleep to be very interesting, in that it seems to be very

important for a number of reasons. Recently (within the last year)

there have been a couple of news stories indicating that the amount of

sleep a person needs decreases as they age. I don't have the links to

the news stories any longer though. Also, my understanding was that

more than 8 hours and less than 6 hours of sleep could actually

decrease lifespan. I'm curious if this would still be the case with

someone who is on the CRON diet.

-Dominick

> Heard on the radio: (if there's a study out perhaps someone can

post it?

> Al?) adults who get (only) 6 hours of sleep a night live longer.......

[Guest guest]

The problem in causation oriented studies is determining what is

causing what. Perhaps people who 'sleep in' all the time are people

who are prone to laziness or being unhealthy? I know that many people

who sleep very little also care very little about their health in

general.

- (a 9 hour sleeper trying to justify staying in bed that long!)

> > Heard on the radio: (if there's a study out perhaps someone can

> post it?

> > Al?) adults who get (only) 6 hours of sleep a night live

longer.......

[Guest guest]

To avoid any confusing, I obviously 'meant correlation' in the

beginning of that first sentence.

-

> > > Heard on the radio: (if there's a study out perhaps someone can

> > post it?

> > > Al?) adults who get (only) 6 hours of sleep a night live

> longer.......

[Guest guest]

I find just a little more exercise helps my sleep a whole lot. Peg

[Guest guest]

I believe some epidemiological studies have displayed a j-shaped curve of

human longevity vs. sleep duration, with maximum longevity at about 7 to 7.5

hours of sleep. This does not necessarily mean sleeping more or less will

result in a longer or shorter life for an individual.

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>From: " Dominick " <chiprunner1995@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Re: sleep

>Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:35:42 -0000

>

>I find sleep to be very interesting, in that it seems to be very

>important for a number of reasons. Recently (within the last year)

>there have been a couple of news stories indicating that the amount of

>sleep a person needs decreases as they age. I don't have the links to

>the news stories any longer though. Also, my understanding was that

>more than 8 hours and less than 6 hours of sleep could actually

>decrease lifespan. I'm curious if this would still be the case with

>someone who is on the CRON diet.

>

>-Dominick

>

>

> > Heard on the radio: (if there's a study out perhaps someone can

>post it?

> > Al?) adults who get (only) 6 hours of sleep a night live longer.......

>

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[Guest guest]

But which came first the chicken or the egg? Do people's sleep patterns

differ because of ill health, or is the ill health causing the sleep

pattern? Do we know?

I know that my sleep pattern started changing in middle age, and that's

common. Now a good night's sleep is soooooo appreciated. Before I took it

for granted.

on 10/12/2003 5:17 PM, Dowling at dowlic@... wrote:

> I believe some epidemiological studies have displayed a j-shaped curve of

> human longevity vs. sleep duration, with maximum longevity at about 7 to 7.5

> hours of sleep. This does not necessarily mean sleeping more or less will

> result in a longer or shorter life for an individual.

>

[Guest guest]

Exercise can also make it harder to get to sleep if you exercise late in the day.

The alerting mechanism that controls when we wake and fall asleep gets weaker as we age. It's not uncommon to experience diminished sleep quality and require adjustments as we get older.

If CR slows aging it should slow this deterioration also.

JR

-----Original Message-----From: hsanborn2@... [mailto:hsanborn2@...]Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: sleepI find just a little more exercise helps my sleep a whole lot. Peg

[Guest guest]

I'm quite curious about the new drug Provigil. Apparently it allows one to

go without sleep. I wonder what long term health effects chronic use of this

drug might have. On the other hand, it does potentially free up a massive

amount of conscious productive time

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>From: " john roberts " <johnhrob@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: [ ] Re: sleep

>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:44:54 -0500

>

>I'm not sure we can draw strong conclusions from the amount of sleep we

>get,

>as such a large percentage of the population operates at a sleep deficit.

>

>I'm not sure what this personal experience means but recently, while

>dealing

>with a general malaise (I had a mild fever), I logged about 3-4 nights of

>10+ hours sleep. This was notable compared to my typical 8 hours.

>

>While sleep is used by the brain for recharging energy stores and much

>housekeeping, there is far more we don't understand about sleep. For now I

>would just suggest listening to your body and giving it what it wants.

>

>If interested in learning more, the best reference I've seen so far is " The

>Promise of Sleep " by Dement. But I expect we will learn even more

>in

>the future as we do " spend " on the order of 1/3 of our life on this

>activity. Re-gaining productive use of this time would be like living tens

>of years longer.

>

>JR

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: paultheo2000 [mailto:paultheo2000@...]

>Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:35 AM

>

>Subject: [ ] Re: sleep

>

>

>Um, I still thought 8-9 hours was optimal sleep for an adult...

>

>-

>

>

> > >> Heard on the radio: (if there's a study out perhaps someone can

> > > post it?

> > >> Al?) adults who get (only) 6 hours of sleep a night live

>longer.......

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dowling wrote: Provigil has recently been approved for more widespread usage, so I suppose we will know more about its various possible side effects sooner, as a greater number of folks will likely be using it.

I too had read MANY positive reports about Modafinil. In contrast, a VERY

recent study on Adrafinil (nearly identical) reported negative results for

memory. Interestingly, Pubmed shows that this same scientist has also conducted

several other studies with seemingly positive results.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6T0N-49DFPVF-2 & _coverDate=08%2F31%2F2003 & _alid=120538261 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _qd=1 & _cdi=4867 & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=18024a52c5fbf3eaa9a97539de695c9d

Adrafinil disrupts performance on a delayed nonmatching-to-position

task in aged beagle dogs

T. Siwaka,

P. Dwight Tappb

and Norton W. Milgrama

a Institute of Medical

Science, University of Toronto at Scarborough, 1265 Military Trail, Toronto,

ON, Canada, M1C 1A4

b Department of Psychology, University of

Toronto at Scarborough, 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, ON, Canada, M1C 1A4

Received 2 April 2003; revised 5 July 2003; accepted 19 July 2003. ; Available

online 29 August 2003.

Abstract Previous studies in humans and dogs have reported beneficial effects of

adrafinil on specific cognitive functions. The effects in dogs are limited

to a single study examining discrimination learning. We wanted to further

explore the cognitive effects of adrafinil in dogs. The purpose of the present

study was to determine the effect of oral administration of adrafinil on

visuospatial function in dogs. Eighteen aged beagle dogs were tested on a

delayed nonmatching-to-position (DNMP) task 2 h following one of three possible

treatments; 20 mg/kg of adrafinil, 10 mg/kg of adrafinil or a placebo control.

All dogs were tested under each treatment for eight test sessions. A 2-day

washout period was given between treatments and the order of treatments was

varied. Treatment with 20 mg/kg of adrafinil produced a significant impairment

in working memory as indicated by an increase in the number of errors over

the 8-day test period. The disturbance of memory functions from adrafinil

could be a result of increased noradrenergic transmission in the prefrontal

cortex.

Author Keywords: Adrafinil; Modafinil; Delayed nonmatching-to-position;

Dog; Alpha-1 noradrenergic

[Guest guest]

Part of that is because I have been an insomniac most of my adult life and seem to get my best work done at night.

99% of my sleeping problems disappeared when I stopped eating sugar. Cold turkey..stopped completely. Now I rarely have trouble getting to sleep. I used to have the problem ALL the time. Now I have probably had insomnia twice in the past year or so. I'm talking NO sugar! lol! Haven't even had a teeny bite of a Christmas cooky for 2 years now.

Gloria

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Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:50 PM

Subject: Sleep

As many of you know I have worked nights for many many years. Part of that is because I have been an insomniac most of my adult life and seem to get my best work done at night. (NO!!! Guido!!!) Now that I no longer have my job I am having a terrible time switching my nights and days back to a more normal schedule. Ask Don and I catch them online on at 4 or 5 in the morning. I don't nap like and when I sleep, I sleep like a rock for 6 or 7 hours. My problem is getting to sleep - it doesn't matter when I go to bed or how long I have been awake or how tired I am. If I don't see the sun come up or at least the sky starting to lighten then I don't sleep. I have terrible eating habits, living alone I eat what I want, when I want but I do have a much better diet than the rest of the SAD Americans out there. I do eat meat but very little and mostly farm grown hormone, steroid, antibiotic free Beef and Chicken. I eat wild Salmon and fresh trout caught in the unpolluted lakes and streams of the mountains around me. I eat very little processed foods, lots of fresh veggies and fruits. Bread very occasionally and fast foods only every other month or so when down in the City with family. I would appreciate any help or suggestions you could give me.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I actually had the same problem after 20 some odd years of working the

night shift and making a decision to never work nights again. After

several years of little to no sleep, wasting health and mind I decided

to just not fight it anymore. So if I couldn't get to sleep I would

read a book, surf the net, chitty-chat with someone, go for a walk, do

some midnight nude gardening ;-) ,

or whatever. If I slept for two hours but could not get back to sleep I

did the same things or whatever I felt like doing. Eventually, my body

got back into the habit of sleeping during the night.

Sure I tried all the teas and potions, hard liquor, etc., but they do

little to absolutely no good, at least for me. It will take time for

your body to readjust along with your subconscious mind. My advice is

don't fight it. For me that was worse than just going with the flow.

Now I am not saying that this is the best method, just what I did. Very

natural (without the teas, potions and hard booze, etc.)

Also as Gloria mentions, sugar is not good for anyone and cutting it

out of your diet completely will help as will no alcohol before bed and

no other stimulants of any kind.

Just another perspective for you to ponder during those long cold late

night hours when even the sheep you are counting have gone to sleep

leaving you wide awake.

:-D Don

wrote:

As many of you know I have worked

nights for many many years. Part of that is because I have been an

insomniac most of my adult life and seem to get my best work done at

night. (NO!!! Guido!!!) Now that I no longer have my job I am having a

terrible time switching my nights and days back to a more normal

schedule. Ask Don and I catch them online on at 4 or 5 in

the morning. I don't nap like and when I sleep, I sleep like a

rock for 6 or 7 hours. My problem is getting to sleep - it doesn't

matter when I go to bed or how long I have been awake or how tired I

am. If I don't see the sun come up or at least the sky starting to

lighten then I don't sleep. I have terrible eating habits, living

alone I eat what I want, when I want but I do have a much better diet

than the rest of the SAD Americans out there. I do eat meat but very

little and mostly farm grown hormone, steroid, antibiotic free Beef and

Chicken. I eat wild Salmon and fresh trout caught in the unpolluted

lakes and streams of the mountains around me. I eat very little

processed foods, lots of fresh veggies and fruits. Bread very

occasionally and fast foods only every other month or so when down in

the City with family. I would appreciate any help or suggestions you

could give me.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

The sugar we are referring to is of course processed sugar. Natural

fruit sugars found in raw fruits and vegetables are in no way as

concentrated as processed sugar.

I ate a lot of fruit this summer but I still didn't get the same negative effects I got from white sugar. So there must be a big difference in the way the body processes it. You also have to be real carfeul about store bought foods. I don't eat much bread and usually make it myself when I do eat it. But a few days ago I saw some bread in a store that looked really good. It was all whole grains, the ingredients seemed fine UNTIL I spotted "sugar" on the label. Forget it!!! Sugar and I just don't get along well.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

I really feel that this is a severe lack of an important mineral and/or vitamin deficiency namely it could be Magnesium.

I have a container of Natural Calm (a powdered magnesium supplement). Whenever I take it I'll sleep like a baby at night. It never fails to do the trick.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, sugar. I had to think about that one. OWWWW!

I don't add sugar to anything. Don't drink sodas (or coffee for that

matter), never touch candy or gum.

The only sugars I get are from the fruit and veggies.

And I don't really have any problems falling asleep. I'm usually asleep

within 15 minutes at night, and within 5 minutes when I nap. I just

can't stay asleep. And I dream A LOT. But then again, I always have. I

keep a dream journal.

>

> Part of that is because I have been an insomniac most of my adult

life and

> seem to get my best work done at night.

>

> 99% of my sleeping problems disappeared when I stopped eating sugar.

Cold

> turkey..stopped completely. Now I rarely have trouble getting to

sleep. I used to

> have the problem ALL the time. Now I have probably had insomnia twice

in the

> past year or so. I'm talking NO sugar! lol! Haven't even had a teeny

bite of a

> Christmas cooky for 2 years now.

>

> Gloria

>

[Guest guest]

"...Natural Calm......" I love that stuff! Forgot I have two jars in the cupboard. Ever drink too much of it? You'll know! I made friends with the potty all one night!

Yeah...it's great stuff. So often I forget to take it, but for insomnia it works like a charm. I know people who got their first good night's sleep in 20 yrs. after taking that stuff...LOL! and as you found out...it sure helps unclog ya!!!

Gloria

[Guest guest]

The sugar we are referring to is of course processed sugar. Natural

fruit sugars found in raw fruits and vegetables are in no way as

concentrated as processed sugar. You would have to eat a whole lot of

fruit to get that much sugar or a lot of sugar beets.

Now staying asleep is a different matter. Maybe a hops and scullcap

mixture with a touch of valerian could be of assistance.

Don

deuteronomy2929 wrote:

> Hmmm, sugar. I had to think about that one. OWWWW!

>

> I don't add sugar to anything. Don't drink sodas (or coffee for that

> matter), never touch candy or gum.

>

> The only sugars I get are from the fruit and veggies.

>

> And I don't really have any problems falling asleep. I'm usually asleep

> within 15 minutes at night, and within 5 minutes when I nap. I just

> can't stay asleep. And I dream A LOT. But then again, I always have. I

> keep a dream journal.

>

>

>

>

>

>> Part of that is because I have been an insomniac most of my adult

>>

> life and

>

>> seem to get my best work done at night.

>>

>> 99% of my sleeping problems disappeared when I stopped eating sugar.

>>

> Cold

>

>> turkey..stopped completely. Now I rarely have trouble getting to

>>

> sleep. I used to

>

>> have the problem ALL the time. Now I have probably had insomnia twice

>>

> in the

>

>> past year or so. I'm talking NO sugar! lol! Haven't even had a teeny

>>

> bite of a

>

>> Christmas cooky for 2 years now.

>>

>> Gloria

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I keep a capsuled version of the Nerve Sedative Formula for that, and

it works wonderfully. But being a fully recovered former addict, I am

hesitant to use " outside means " to combat a difficulty.

We are working more on excercise (though I get plenty at work, we are

excercising daily now as a family), family time (usually art or music

time), quiet times without tv or phone inturruptions, time for

personal introspection and discussion. It seems to be helping. I

actually slept until 3.30 this morning! And we settled down for sleep

at around 10.30.

Nature has it's way, and we are finding our balance. Baby steps.

>

> The sugar we are referring to is of course processed sugar. Natural

> fruit sugars found in raw fruits and vegetables are in no way as

> concentrated as processed sugar. You would have to eat a whole lot

of

> fruit to get that much sugar or a lot of sugar beets.

>

> Now staying asleep is a different matter. Maybe a hops and scullcap

> mixture with a touch of valerian could be of assistance.

>

> Don

[Guest guest]

I have a daughter with the very same problem...except she has gone several night's without so much as a catnap. I really feel that this is a severe lack of an important mineral and/or vitamin deficiency namely it could be Magnesium. Getting her to take anything is a problem as she as well as most of my other family members think "traditional" doctors are gods and they know everything. Granted they do have their place in our society, but for the most part they treat the symptom and not the entire condition. Diet and exercise , I think has a lot to do with this condition too. When I was first diagnosed with Hepatitis C and was experiencing many sleepiness nights , the doctor gave me Ambiene yes it worked but I also experienced many side effects and didn't like what I was experiencing. At that time I was also taking a Vitamin/Mineral supplement , a chewable Calcium-Vitamin D-Magnesium tablet, while I wasn't taking it every night's on the nights I was, I noticed I would sleep

deeply and soundly...this of course came after I stopped to examine every little instance of what I consumed in my life. So I researched the individual Vitamin/Mineral Calcium Tab. I found that it was the Magnesium that was making me sleep so good, it also had a direct effect on my Migraines as well. No more sleepless nites and no more Migraine's . That was such a good feeling.I gave the Ambiene to my daughter and while I don't take it every night , when those nights of sleeplessness return I run to the store and get me a bottle of the best sleep aid on the shelf. I hope this helps somewhat, while I know each of us are different this is what worked for me. Happy New Year........................Jina God is so big He can cover the whole world with his Love and so

small He can curl up inside your heart. June Masters Bacher

[Guest guest]

Is Natural Calm called " Gillham's Natural Vitality, Natural Calm"?

That's the stuff. I also take Gillham's Cal-Mag, sometimes with an additonal tsp. of Natural Calm thrown in.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

Amen. Better off making your bread yourself anyway. Most anything that

is mass produced these days will either contain lots of sugar or salt or

other non-necessary and health degrading ingredients.

Don

MorningGlory113@... wrote:

> The sugar we are referring to is of course processed sugar. Natural

> fruit sugars found in raw fruits and vegetables are in no way as

> concentrated as processed sugar.

>

> I ate a lot of fruit this summer but I still didn't get the same

> negative effects I got from white sugar. So there must be a big

> difference in the way the body processes it. You also have to be real

> carfeul about store bought foods. I don't eat much bread and usually

> make it myself when I do eat it. But a few days ago I saw some bread

> in a store that looked really good. It was all whole grains, the

> ingredients seemed fine UNTIL I spotted " sugar " on the label. Forget

> it!!! Sugar and I just don't get along well.

>

> Gloria

>

>

[Guest guest]

"...Natural Calm......" I love that stuff! Forgot I have two jars in the cupboard. Ever drink too much of it? You'll know! I made friends with the potty all one night!

Shari

[Guest guest]

Gloria -

Is Natural Calm called " Gillham's Natural Vitality, Natural

Calm " ?

Thanks!

At 10:22 AM 1/1/2007, you wrote:

I really feel that

this is a severe lack of an important mineral and/or vitamin deficiency

namely it could be Magnesium.

I have a container of Natural Calm (a powdered magnesium supplement).

Whenever I take it I'll sleep like a baby at night. It never fails to do

the trick.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

There is a combination homeopathic remedy

called Moon Drops. I often (as in, almost always) awake between 2-3am, and

then my mind starts going. If I can’t fall back asleep in a half-hour or

so on my own, I’ll take one of the drops. They work, but I’ll warn

you they leave a horrible taste in my mouth. Considering they actually taste

like vanilla, I have no idea why.

Sharyn

From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of SV

And I'm also identifying with Don. I can be asleep inside 10

minutes, but do not stay asleep. For whatever reason and whatever time I

go to sleep I am awake between 2:30 a.m. & 3:30 a.m

[Guest guest]

I have found a homeopathic called Coffea cruda, which I use when I'm awake and want the thoughts in my head to slow down so I can sleep.

Lynn

in CA.

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