Re: Anyone completed 3 weeks MMS1/2?

January 15, 2010

On 2010-01-14, fightingtbi (40dayjourney@...) wrote:

> The first week, even though I was herxing, my energy was up

> -especially in the morn. Now my herx is pretty bad 24 hrs/day.

>

> The skin on my face is pretty bad with red spots, white spots and

> bumps.

>

> I'm thinking that if my herxes are getting worse at this point,

> rather than better, that there's no way I'll clear everything (but

> Lyme) in three weeks. Maybe it's just die-off toxins building up.

Something that can minimize, even eliminate the herx in most people, is

the use of clay/charcoal slurries. These can draw out the toxins and

eliminate them through the colon thus relieving the load on the liver.

An overloaded liver is usually what causes skin eruptions and other

symptoms (itching, etc) - when the liver is overloaded, the body resorts

to the other major eliminative organ/pathway, the skin. The

charcoal/clay gives it another option.

I would use a high quality sodium bentonite (www.eytonsearth.org to

learn all about clays), and a high quality combination bamboo/coconut

shell charcoal (www.buyactivatedcharcoal.com). I mix them 2 Tbs charcoal

to one Tbs clay in 16ounces of water.

There are 2 caveats when using clay:

1. Make sure your bowels are working reasonably well before you start,

if they aren't thats what you should be focusing on anyway, before

continuing with any other protocol (yes, even MMS)

and

2. Make sure you are drinking enough water to keep your bowels moving.

Using clay can cause constipation if you don't get enough water and/or

if your bowels aren't working properly to begin with, and this could

even become dangerous if you used too much clay without keeping your

bowels moving.

As always, it is mostly common sense.

> I'm wondering if people in Africa and South America are being cured

> because they are not as toxic as we all are?

Good insight - this has actually been discussed before, and it has been

suggested that this is why the one or two large initial doses is all

that is needed to cure their malaria - because otherwise, they are in

good health (or at least much less toxic than the average American).

> Maybe I'll do four weeks.

What I would do is the 3 week protocol, then take a week or two off,

supplementing with high quality minerals like crazy, lots of fressh

green juices (if possible), high quality nutritional supplementation, Dr

Schulze's potassium broth, etc - then do it again - repeat until you are

well.

> Just FYI, I'm doing some salt/C (first thing in morn.), CS, and

> Candidate also.

What is 'Candidate'? Some kind of anti candida protocol/supplement?

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Best regards,

January 15, 2010

, thank you so much for some of your ideas.

> Maybe it's just die-off toxins building up.

Something that can minimize, even eliminate the herx in most people, is

the use of clay/charcoal slurries. These can draw out the toxins and

eliminate them through the colon thus relieving the load on the liver.

An overloaded liver is usually what causes skin eruptions and other

symptoms (itching, etc) - when the liver is overloaded, the body resorts

to the other major eliminative organ/pathway, the skin. The

charcoal/clay gives it another option.

I am concerned for my liver, so I will cut the MMS1/2 in half for today. Last night I did a warm castor oil pack over my liver for an hour, will do again today, and increase Milk Thistle and LivCare.

I would use a high quality sodium bentonite (www.eytonsearth.org to

learn all about clays), and a high quality combination bamboo/coconut

shell charcoal (www.buyactivatedcharcoal.com). I mix them 2 Tbs charcoal

to one Tbs clay in 16ounces of water. I'm going to stop by my health food store and supper sups today. I'll see if they have some of these products. Right now, I've been using Pectasol, cholestyramine, LivCare, and lots of water. I've read to avoid charcoal, because it tends to bind the good with the bad. Although, I must say anything I take I think binds the good and bad because I always have to increase my minerals.

There are 2 caveats when using clay:

1. Make sure your bowels are working reasonably well before you start,

if they aren't thats what you should be focusing on anyway, before

continuing with any other protocol (yes, even MMS)No problem here, I take lots of magnesium.

and

2. Make sure you are drinking enough water to keep your bowels moving.

> I'm wondering if people in Africa and South America are being cured

> because they are not as toxic as we all are?

Good insight - this has actually been discussed before, and it has been

suggested that this is why the one or two large initial doses is all

that is needed to cure their malaria - because otherwise, they are in

good health (or at least much less toxic than the average American).Yep, but the the other part of me thinks, wait, some of them are severly malnurished. And some of them are close to death when treated. I guess we'll never know. We are all just trying whatever it takes.

> Maybe I'll do four weeks.

What I would do is the 3 week protocol, then take a week or two off,

supplementing with high quality minerals like crazy, lots of fressh

green juices (if possible), high quality nutritional supplementation, Dr

Schulze's potassium broth, etc - then do it again - repeat until you are

well.That is a great idea! I was concerned that if I stop everything will come raging back, but I can coil (lightly) to make sure that doesn't happen.

> Just FYI, I'm doing some salt/C (first thing in morn.), CS, and

> Candidate also.

What is 'Candidate'? Some kind of anti candida protocol/supplement?

Yes, it is an anti candida tincture by Native Remedies. I will not be taking it today, because I did not sleep last night. Of course, I changed two things yesterday so I'm not sure which one caused the severe insomnia, but I've taken the other before without problem.

Thanks again for the tips. We all need the additional reminders - especially when we are herxing. :-)

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Best regards,

January 15, 2010

On 2010-01-15, H (40dayjourney@...) wrote:

> I've read to avoid charcoal, because it tends to bind the good with the bad.

I'm curious where you read this, I've never seen it.

Activated charcoal is like a magnet for certain chemical toxins like

pesticides, drugs, etc. Clay is more for heavy metals and toxins like

are generated by bad critters when you are killing them (and lots of

other things too, like impacted fecal matter, some parasites, etc)...

I do not consider any cleansing/detox regimen complete that doesn't

include the use of both.

January 15, 2010

How many drops x times per day are you taking?

How many MMS2 capsules per day are yoou taking.

I'm ending my fourth week on MMS1. I started slowly 3 times a day and went up to 7 drops each time. On wednesday I went up to 7 drops x 5 and did not feel any nausea. Yesterday I went back to three due to lack of time. Today I started feeling nausea again. I wonder why some days there is nausea and some days not with the same amount of drops.

I've been having some backpains (mid to lower back) and wonder whether they are related to MMS. It made me wake up in the middle of the night.

I have the MMS2 capsules with me, but want to see how MMS1 works first. And I don't want to put an overload on my Liver and Kidneys. This stuff is very strong.

A friend in Homeophatic medicine told me that MMS1 can make the body age faster. True or not, I believe it is wise not to take it for too long. At least untill the diseases are eradicated.

The reason I'm taking MMS is to target chronic prostatitis and according to convencional medicine, it is non-bacterial, as many tests have never found any pathogens there. If they are right then MMS won't affect it. Even if there is something not yet known, the blood supply to that area is very scarce and MMS1 may not reach it in enough quantities.

About three months ago I took it for 44 days with the old protocol, reaching 15 drops but having to cut back due to stomach pains and nausea untill I had to stop completely. After an one week interval I took it for another 21 days but could not go over 6 to 7 drops. It had helped with my condition but did not cure it.

This time the stomach pain decreased and almost disapeared. I think I'll take it for another week and then make a pause.

May we all be healed and take wise steps in this process.

Arie

From: fightingtbi <40dayjourney@...>Subject: [ ] Anyone completed 3 weeks MMS1/2? Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 4:05 AM

Hey all,I'm at two weeks on MMS1and 11 days of MMS2The first week, even though I was herxing, my energy was up -especially in the morn.Now my herx is pretty bad 24 hrs/day.The skin on my face is pretty bad with red spots, white spots and bumps.I'm thinking that if my herxes are getting worse at this point, rather than better, that there's no way I'll clear everything (but Lyme) in three weeks. Maybe it's just die-off toxins building up.I'm wondering if people in Africa and South America are being cured because they are not as toxic as we all are?Maybe I'll do four weeks.Just FYI, I'm doing some salt/C (first thing in morn.), CS, and Candidate also.

January 17, 2010

Ok, I bought some clay and charcoal.Thank you. Yesterday, I drank plenty of water, and I only took 3 capsules of MMS2 and no MMS1. Today, back on the the every hour protocol. 1st hour 1 capsule MMS2, next hour 4-6 drops MMS1 with 50/50 citric acid solution. I am not taking MMS1 every hour - every other hour. (So, 4 doses MMS2 and 5-6 doses MMS1) Sometimes, I mix the MMS1 with ACV, but it doesn't seem as effective - maybe because it doesn't make me feel sick to my stomach or give me an instant headache (that goes away). Just typing this makes me think I should stick with ACV. hmmmm

I'm not sure where I read about the charcoal. I may have heard that from my doc.? To me, it doesn't matter. Any time I detox, I think it pulls the good and bad. I always have to increase my minerals.

I think each persons protocol will depend on what they are treating, how severe it is, how fast it replicates, etc. I'll do the MMS1/2 for three weeks. Then take a week off. Then do one more week. Then I think I'll take 3 weeks off and one week for a while. I'm not sure.

Today I started feeling nausea again. I wonder why some days there is nausea and some days not with the same amount of drops. Are you changing activators? Does the nausea last long?

I have the MMS2 capsules with me, but want to see how MMS1 works first. And I don't want to put an overload on my Liver and Kidneys. This stuff is very strong. That's why I backed off a bit yesterday. The herx was getting bad, and my skin was breaking out. I really am trying to baby my liver and kidneys, but I didn't want to stop and give the bugs a chance.

A friend in Homeophatic medicine told me that MMS1 can make the body age faster. True or not, I believe it is wise not to take it for too long. Other than a very small dose, I've never read you should take it for extended periods. The aging thing? Killing disease causes aging? Hmmm. My ND told me " Lyme is very rare, no one in our state has it. It's just the current fad " then I pulled out my bloodwork.

The reason I'm taking MMS is to target chronic prostatitis and according to convencional medicine, it is non-bacterial, as many tests have never found any pathogens there. Have you researched and tried MsM (methylsulfur.....). It will not kill anything, but it makes your cells more permeable so they can what they are supposed to do. I have found it to be the most amazing supplement I've ever taken. Read up on it. Start slow and drink lots of water other wise lots of people get headaches - I did. I started w/ 1 teaspoon and worked up to 4. Most people start with less than 1/4 teaspoon. 4 teaspoons was too much for me, but there are some who are taking 4 tablespoons. I guess you'll need to figure out what causes prostatitis and attack it from that angel. If it's not a pathogen of some type I wonder how MMS could possibly help.

About three months ago I took it for 44 days with the old protocol, reaching 15 drops but having to cut back due to stomach pains and nausea untill I had to stop completely. For me it's definitely the CA that irritates my stomach, but alternating hours with the MMS2 so I'm only taking MMS1 every two hours has helped.

May we all be healed and take wise steps in this process. Cheers!

Arie

From: fightingtbi <40dayjourney@...>Subject: [ ] Anyone completed 3 weeks MMS1/2?

Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 4:05 AM

Hey all,I'm at two weeks on MMS1and 11 days of MMS2The first week, even though I was herxing, my energy was up -especially in the morn.Now my herx is pretty bad 24 hrs/day.The skin on my face is pretty bad with red spots, white spots and bumps.

I'm thinking that if my herxes are getting worse at this point, rather than better, that there's no way I'll clear everything (but Lyme) in three weeks. Maybe it's just die-off toxins building up.

I'm wondering if people in Africa and South America are being cured because they are not as toxic as we all are?Maybe I'll do four weeks.Just FYI, I'm doing some salt/C (first thing in morn.), CS, and Candidate also.

January 17, 2010

Arie,

Perhaps if the Citric doesn’t agree with you, you

could try some Malic acid powder (what’s in ACV), and that way you can

make the 50% solution if that’s the way you prefer the activator. I

have a little bit here if you have trouble finding it (free of charge).

Regarding

protecting the Liver, maybe worth a look into R-ALA and Milk Thistle.

MMS1

is a pro-oxidant, so that’s where your friend will be coming from

regarding it aging. It’s a fairly stable and mild one though, with

a lot of ‘torque’ for want of a better word. There’s a

table on our site comparing it to H2O2, O3 etc that explains it if you still

have the link. I don’t take MMS1 daily, but Jim believes that for

those over 60 it might not be a bad idea to have a low dose daily. Doing

things to promote your own immune system might be a better long term solution though,

and save the MMS1 for when you really need it. There are many ways of

promoting the immune system such as Moringa, high dose Vit C, and of course

MMS2(!).

I

think most people have the whole health idea upside down. It’s not

so much that you have to fight off all the virus/bacteria/fungus (unless

already in a compromised position), but to create an environment that doesn’t

encourage them. If there are no bins full of rotting food, then the rats

won’t stick around for long. Allopathic medicine would have you

take rat poison rather than clear out the bins.

Take

care

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January 17, 2010

Thank You ,

I'm taking Milk Thistle and before breakfast I take a tablespoon of oilve oil mixed with a table spoon of lemon adding a teaspoon of honey which is very healthy for the liver and gallbladder.

Have you any idea how longs it takes for MMS1 to clear helicobacter? My tongue is now coated white and getting worse. White coated tongue is a sign of helicobacter and in my case it could mean die-off reaction. On the other hand about 70% of humans have this bug, but it does not cause any symptoms in many people.

I'm on week 5 now taking MMS1.

Arie

From: Bond <pmbond@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Anyone completed 3 weeks MMS1/2? Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 4:37 PM

Arie,

Perhaps if the Citric doesnâ€™t agree with you, you could try some Malic acid powder (whatâ€™s in ACV), and that way you can make the 50% solution if thatâ€™s the way you prefer the activator. I have a little bit here if you have trouble finding it (free of charge).

Regarding protecting the Liver, maybe worth a look into R-ALA and Milk Thistle.

MMS1 is a pro-oxidant, so thatâ€™s where your friend will be coming from regarding it aging. Itâ€™s a fairly stable and mild one though, with a lot of â€˜torqueâ€™ for want of a better word. Thereâ€™s a table on our site comparing it to H2O2, O3 etc that explains it if you still have the link. I donâ€™t take MMS1 daily, but Jim believes that for those over 60 it might not be a bad idea to have a low dose daily. Doing things to promote your own immune system might be a better long term solution though, and save the MMS1 for when you really need it. There are many ways of promoting the immune system such as Moringa, high dose Vit C, and of course MMS2(!).

I think most people have the whole health idea upside down. Itâ€™s not so much that you have to fight off all the virus/bacteria/ fungus (unless already in a compromised position), but to create an environment that doesnâ€™t encourage them. If there are no bins full of rotting food, then the rats wonâ€™t stick around for long. Allopathic medicine would have you take rat poison rather than clear out the bins.

Take care

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January 18, 2010

Hi Arie,

I’m not familiar with helicobacter. When you say

white tongue it immediately reminded me of when I did the lemonade diet (proper

name “The Master Cleanse”). When you do that you get white

tongue (well I did at least, and the manual predicted that), that was a 12 day

diet and it was probably day 10 or 11 before it went. I cannot praise

this diet highly enough. It’s the only thing that ever allowed me

to sleep like a baby, gave me a great complexion, tons of energy, no hunger

pangs, really really detoxed me, and I think in doing that gave my immune

system time to go do some catch up. I got temporary pains and aches from

previous injuries that I’d completely blocked out of my memory, as my

body went back and started finishing hastily made repairs years earlier.

There were two downsides;

1) it uses a lot of lemon/lime juice, and I do feel I

damaged the enamel of my teeth. If doing again I would rinse my mouth

every time I drank the juice rather than just sipping it throughout the day.

2) I really missed chewing anything. I wasn’t

hungry, but the lack of texture was a surprising issue. I guess you could

chew gum, but I was strict and didn’t want to risk xylitol or similar.

Normally my life is far ‘dirtier’ than that, but when I’m on

a protocol I do like to be disciplined, so avoided the gum.

I wasn’t into MMS at the time, and I’m not sure

whether that would be an improvement or classed as a compromise to the diet.

Here is one free source of the book: http://www.blackdoctor.org/TheMasterCleanse.pdf

Regards

Thank You ,

I'm taking Milk Thistle and before breakfast I take a tablespoon of oilve oil

mixed with a table spoon of lemon adding a teaspoon of honey which is very

healthy for the liver and gallbladder.

Have you any idea how longs it takes for MMS1 to clear helicobacter? My tongue

is now coated white and getting worse. White coated tongue is a sign of

helicobacter and in my case it could mean die-off reaction. On the other hand

about 70% of humans have this bug, but it does not cause any symptoms in many

people.

I'm on week 5 now taking MMS1.

Arie

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January 18, 2010

Sipping liquid through a straw help prevent contact with teeth.On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Bond <pmbond@...> wrote: