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> Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the

> past so will livestock. Wow.

> http://news./s/ap/20100115/ap_on_he_me/eu_med_petri_pork

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Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the

past so will livestock. Wow.

http://news./s/ap/20100115/ap_on_he_me/eu_med_petri_pork

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_sovereignty

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va & aid=7849

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> Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the

past so will livestock. Wow.

> http://news./s/ap/20100115/ap_on_he_me/eu_med_petri_pork

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_sovereignty

> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va & aid=7849

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I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes. I hope we can all get a laugh out of this.......it struck me as funny. Rita

Re: Scientists turn stem cells into pork

How come smart people whom can figure out how to do things like this can not figure out that it is not going to have everything one needs and would not be a really good thing to eat long term. They might as well ban eating meat if they really want to save all the animals and than ban eating plants because they are alive also and may feel pain. It would not end with the animals. In Light Lynn>> Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the> past so will livestock. Wow.> http://news./s/ap/20100115/ap_on_he_me/eu_med_petri_pork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_sovereignty> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va & aid=7849>

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eeeewwwwwwww! My immediate reaction was a gagging sensation.

On the other hand, if we don't destroy the planet, one day they may be growing

new livers, kidneys and the like for people. Which is kind of creepy in its own

way (remember The Clonus Horror?) but I'm sure I wouldn't mind growing myself a

new liver to replace the useless one I've got! lol

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> Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the

> past so will livestock. Wow.

> http://news./s/ap/20100115/ap_on_he_me/eu_med_petri_pork

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_sovereignty

> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va & aid=7849

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What Is Food Sovereignty

What Is Food Sovereignty

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By: E. Peck

Many people in the U.S., even activists who work closely on

food/farm issues, are often unfamiliar with the concept of food

sovereignty. Food security is a much more common term to describe work

combating world hunger. Unfortunately, food security has also become a

"Trojan Horse" for creeping corporatization of the global food system.

As a watered down technical issue of how best to get food to those who

need it, food security conveniently avoids the deeper political debate

about why hunger exists at all in a world that has plenty of food –

just not for the impoverished, landless, and powerless.

Outside this country, one seldom hears the term food security unless

one comes across western trained technocrats, academic researchers, and

disaster relief managers. Local people in agrarian societies are much

more likely to have conversations about food sovereignty. That is

because they still believe food is a basic human right, not just

another market commodity, and they treat peasant farmers with respect

and dignity, rather than dismissing them as backward and anachronistic.

Contrary to popular belief, the majority of the world's hungry

actually dwell in rural areas once known for their agricultural

expertise. This reversal of human history has not been an inevitable

consequence of the "Green Revolution" – rather it is due to deliberate

policies that have violently transformed local food/farm economies. To

paraphrase the corporate "free trade" apologist, Friedman, one

can't have Mcs without McDonnell . Within this neo-liberal

brand of food security, only those who are willing to buy into the game

and pay the going price can escape hunger.

One thus finds powerful institutions (World Bank, USAID, Rockefeller

Foundation) compelling peasant farmers to abandon native subsistence

crops (millet, taro, quinoa) in favor of export driven monocultures

(coffee, cotton, cocoa), while at the same time forcing communities in

the South to privatize their common property resources (land,

biodiversity, water), and convincing consumers everywhere to enjoy

dangerous value-added imports (biotech corn, antibiotic beef, processed

junkfood) - all in the name of competitive advantage and economic

efficiency.

Food sovereignty, on the other hand, valorizes common sense

principles of community autonomy, cultural integrity, and environmental

stewardship – ie. people determining for themselves just what seeds

they plant, what animals they raise, what type of farming occurs, and

what they will ultimately eat for dinner. In fact, some would argue

that genuine food security is impossible without first achieving food

sovereignty. As early as 1996 Via Campesina set forth seven principles

of food sovereignty (see related item in this section) and these

prompted much discussion at the Jan. 2001 World Social Forum in Porto

Alegre, Brazil leading to a Sept. 2001 World Forum on Food Sovereignty

held in Cuba.

Adopting internationally recognized principles of food sovereignty

would have sweeping implications in a political setting such as the

U.S., which is probably why they have been so fiercely resisted by

corporate agribusiness and their political supporters. For instance,

preemptive legislation that takes away local control over the

regulation of largescale livestock confinement operations (aka factory

farms) grossly undermines food sovereignty, as does White House refusal

to implement mandatory country of origin labeling (COOL) that would

allow consumers to actually know where their food comes from.

Similarly, the corporate patenting of lifeforms, expropriation of

indigenous knowledge (aka biopiracy), and extortion of contaminated

farmers for alleged theft of proprietary biotechnologies are all

clearcut violations of food sovereignty. On the other hand, food

security has little to say about any of these issues.

For years, Family Farm Defenders has sought to spread and popularize

the concept of food sovereignty in hopes of bringing U.S. food/farm

activists into a closer solidarity relationship with their counterparts

abroad. FFD has recently been joined in this effort by the National

Family Farm Coalition which formally adopted food sovereignty as one of

its campaigns and is now working to educate its own member groups, as

well as the general public. This year two European researchers

Windfuhr and Jennie Jonsen also published an excellent summary, titled

"Food Sovereignty: Towards Democracy in Local Food Systems." This 50+

pg report is available for free online at: http://www.ukabc.org/foodsovereignty_itdg_fian_online.pdf.

Those who do not have access to the internet can also obtain a copy

of this report by contacting the Family Farm Defenders office (please

include $3.00 to cover printing and postage). We are also glad to

provide other supplementary food sovereignty materials upon request.

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> >> > Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the> > past so will livestock. Wow.> > http://news./s/ap/20100115/ap_on_he_me/eu_med_petri_pork> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_sovereignty> > http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va & aid=7849> >>

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Just last week there was an article about a woman who had a new esophagus grown

in her arm. And click the 60 minutes video on this link:

http://www.examiner.com/x-18534-Hartford-Health-and-Science--Examiner~y2009m12d2\

7-Regenerative-science-growing-body-parts-with-extracellular-matrix

Bessie

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> > Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the

> > past so will livestock. Wow.

> > http://news./s/ap/20100115/ap_on_he_me/eu_med_petri_pork

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_sovereignty

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Amazing what can be done with stem cells. In the wrong hands this could also be

very wrong. Catch 22.

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the

> > > past so will livestock. Wow.

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Hi Healinghope

I keep seeing u say when I WAS infested , praise God ! Was ... that is good

news .

How did you do it , was it the mms baths, any way you could post your steps you

followed so we could all try it ?

Thanks,

Bill

healinghope wrote:

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I did many things over many years. Yes I contribute it to MMS. Bifen in the yard

helped to because of spring-tails, curious if they will return this spring. I

also used many things environmental but until I rid myself there was finally a

end.

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of the

> >> > > past so will livestock. Wow.

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> >> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Food_sovereignty

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I can feel the MMS working..the spray knocks them dead and brings them out from

underneath...Have to be a bit persistent but I don't want those darn nests In my

face... " bugs say pull me out I hate that MMS " They are dying to get out of my

skin..lol

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From: " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Scientists turn stem cells into pork

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:20:08 -0000

I did many things over many years. Yes I contribute it to MMS. Bifen in the yard

helped to because of spring-tails, curious if they will return this spring. I

also used many things environmental but until I rid myself there was finally a

end.

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> >> > > Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing

of the

> >> > > past so will livestock. Wow.

> >> > > http://news. / s/ap/20100115/ ap_on_he_ me/eu_med_ petri_pork

> >> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Food_sovereignty

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Lynn Use Bifen in the tri-jet fogger or MMS1? Bifen is fine to use in the fogger

I have many times but not on my main level only attic and basement. I have used

the MMS1 in the tri-jet fogger to, but the saucer activation is just as good if

not better for me. I used 10 drops per gallon of water activated MMS1. In

saucers I use 10 drops activated MMS1 in each room for an hour close doors leave

rooms or place in entrire house remove birds.

http://jimhumble.biz/biz-fundamentals.htm

http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/bifen-it-p-226.html

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They do hate the MMS1 for sure. I used DMSO and MMS1 under my breast that was my

nest, oh and the belly button important to. Especially if you have a innie and

not a outtie like me.

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petri_pork

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Hi Healinghope Thanks for the help..

I found the fungus talked about that might cause the terrible burn, I extinguish it with

The mix: 2 tblspns borax (20 mule team Borax laundry booster16 oz peroxide (3%) 32 oz water.mix it , and the borax nuetralizes the peroxide

in 3 minutes the burn disappears and does not return after a few appications

http : // www .earthclinic. com /Pets /dog _mange_cure. html

The mix: 2 tblspns borax (20 mule team Borax laundry booster16 oz peroxide (3%) 32 oz water.mix it , and the borax nuetralizes the peroxide, no burn , no sting, no fizz, its nuetralized ! But it packs a huge borax punch , I could only use it total body for 19 days straight , it erased all bugs , then my kidneys ached , I stopped and my kidneys felt fine, I still use it for spot treatment if I get a bite, it kills it in 10 minutes and the bug vanishes.

( frito said she used it for 30 days straight )

Thanks to you all, posting all this great info , thanks

ps

This cure is from Fritos post, reposted

I hope she dosent mind :

Re: Scientists turn stem cells into porkbird mites Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:16 PM

They do hate the MMS1 for sure. I used DMSO and MMS1 under my breast that was my nest, oh and the belly button important to. Especially if you have a innie and not a outtie like me. > > >> > > > > >> > > Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the > > >> > > past so will livestock. Wow. > > >> > > http://news. / s/ap/20100115/ ap_on_he_ me/eu_med_ petri_pork

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Hi Lynn

The got in my belly button , 10 % sulfur & 90 % hand creme killed them. The

sulfur would not get my really deep wiggles in my back , but the

16 oz peroxide

2 tbls borax

32 oz water

stopped all their wiggling , now they are still , but still itch once in a while

.. I am soaking them out with borax 1/2 cup per 3 gallons of water , it is slow

but it gets them if soaked 2 time per day for 30 mins for 60 days.. It worked on

my feet . I now hide my feet in cowboy boots always & I never have a bite on my

foot. , but if one sneaks down there peroxide / borax / water get appied from my

pocket bottle of mix , it stops & vanishes in 1 day .

nite Lynn,

Bill

Lynn wrote:

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> Cool. I will try to remember this. If it comes to fogging I may ask you again.

> Thank you

> In Light Lynn

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petri_pork

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Hi Lynn,

Chlorine Dioxide is quite dangerous in gas/mist form, but breaks down fairly quickly (especially in sunlight). As far as I can tell, with proper protection, an environmental spray should be safe. See the health/safety concerns below (from http://www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/chemical/disinfectants-chlorine-dioxide.htm):

"When chlorine dioxide concentrations reach 10% or more in air, chlorine dioxide becomes explosive. Acute exposure of the skin to chlorine that originates from the decomposition of chlorine dioxide, causes irritations and burns. Eye exposure eyes to chlorine dioxide causes irritations, watering eyes and a blurry sight. Chlorine dioxide gas can be absorbed by the skin, where it damages tissue and blood cells. Inhalation of chlorine dioxide gas causes coughing, a sore throat, severe headaches, lung oedema and bronchio spasma. The symptoms can begin to show long after the exposure has taken place and can remain for a long time. Chronical exposure to chlorine dioxide causes bronchitis. The health standard for chlorine dioxide is 0,1 ppm."J

From: Lynn <torpedolynn@...>bird mites Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 4:25:58 PMSubject: Re: Scientists turn stem cells into pork

Hey Marie If by summer I am not well and the bugs pick up some speed. How would you use it indoors. Wonder if I could put it in my tri-jet fogger and fog the house with it. How many how often and how long would the results be. Yard and attic and under the house also. If my husband wants to poison the house again and wants a less poisonous way. That may do it as long as we do not inhale it or go in until completely dry. J.S. I also need your out look on that idea beside Marie input on how to do it. Feed back please...In Light Lynn > > >> > > > > >> > > Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the > > >> > > past so will livestock. Wow. > > >> > > http://news. / s/ap/20100115/ ap_on_he_ me/eu_med_ petri_pork > > >> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Food_sovereignty > > >> > > http://www.globalre search.ca/ index.php? context=va & aid=7849 > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >>

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Lynn,

I forgot to add something here. My impression is that you will not get much residual effect from Chlorine Dioxide (MMS), because it breaks down quickly. I have never done an environmental spray, but dusted some areas with "Roach Prufe" which seemed to be somewhat effective.

Maybe others have input on poisons/sprays?

J

From: J S <requireshelp@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 8:56:25 PMSubject: Re: Re: Scientists turn stem cells into pork

Hi Lynn,

Chlorine Dioxide is quite dangerous in gas/mist form, but breaks down fairly quickly (especially in sunlight). As far as I can tell, with proper protection, an environmental spray should be safe. See the health/safety concerns below (from http://www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/chemical/disinfectants-chlorine-dioxide.htm):

"When chlorine dioxide concentrations reach 10% or more in air, chlorine dioxide becomes explosive. Acute exposure of the skin to chlorine that originates from the decomposition of chlorine dioxide, causes irritations and burns. Eye exposure eyes to chlorine dioxide causes irritations, watering eyes and a blurry sight. Chlorine dioxide gas can be absorbed by the skin, where it damages tissue and blood cells. Inhalation of chlorine dioxide gas causes coughing, a sore throat, severe headaches, lung oedema and bronchio spasma. The symptoms can begin to show long after the exposure has taken place and can remain for a long time. Chronical exposure to chlorine dioxide causes bronchitis. The health standard for chlorine dioxide is 0,1 ppm."J

From: Lynn <torpedolynn@...>bird mites Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 4:25:58 PMSubject: Re: Scientists turn stem cells into pork

Hey Marie If by summer I am not well and the bugs pick up some speed. How would you use it indoors. Wonder if I could put it in my tri-jet fogger and fog the house with it. How many how often and how long would the results be. Yard and attic and under the house also. If my husband wants to poison the house again and wants a less poisonous way. That may do it as long as we do not inhale it or go in until completely dry. J.S. I also need your out look on that idea beside Marie input on how to do it. Feed back please...In Light Lynn > > >> > > > > >> > > Talk about food control!! Now not only will heirloom seeds be a thing of the > > >> > > past so will livestock. Wow. > > >> > > http://news. / s/ap/20100115/ ap_on_he_ me/eu_med_ petri_pork > > >> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Food_sovereignty > > >> > > http://www.globalre search.ca/ index.php? context=va & aid=7849 > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >>

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Lynn, Myrtle posted a interesting chlorine dioxide product that has a two week

residual. Maybe she would post it again for us if she see's this.

I use Nokout, a chlorine dioxide product, which is totally safe to fog without a

mask. I always do wear one. Nokout is very mild and does not have a residual.

Marie used 10 drops per gallon of water of the mms activated in her fogger and

she is still here to tell us about it.

I wouldn't be without it for a spray to stop the crawlies or to bathe in every

once in a while. You can't beat it for the cost.

B

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> Lynn,

>

> I forgot to add something here.  My impression is that you will not get much

residual effect from Chlorine Dioxide (MMS), because it breaks down quickly.  I

have never done an environmental spray, but dusted some areas with " Roach Prufe "

which seemed to be somewhat effective.

>

> Maybe others have input on poisons/sprays?

>

> J

From: J S <requireshelp@...>

> bird mites

> Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 8:56:25 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Scientists turn stem cells into pork

>

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> Hi Lynn,

>

> Chlorine Dioxide is quite dangerous in gas/mist form, but breaks down fairly

quickly (especially in sunlight).  As far as I can tell, with proper

protection, an environmental spray should be safe.  See the health/safety

concerns below (from

http://www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/chemical/disinfectants-chlorine-d\

ioxide.htm):

>

> " When chlorine dioxide concentrations reach 10% or more in air, chlorine

dioxide becomes explosive.

> Acute exposure of the skin to chlorine that originates from the decomposition

of chlorine dioxide, causes irritations and burns. Eye exposure eyes to chlorine

dioxide causes irritations, watering eyes and a blurry sight. Chlorine dioxide

gas can be absorbed by the skin, where it damages tissue and blood cells.

Inhalation of chlorine dioxide gas causes coughing, a sore throat, severe

headaches, lung oedema and bronchio spasma. The symptoms can begin to show long

after the exposure has taken place and can remain for a long time. Chronical

exposure to chlorine dioxide causes bronchitis. The health standard for chlorine

dioxide is 0,1 ppm. "

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You're welcome Lynn.

Given that Chlorine Dioxide is to be diluted in quite alot of water before being fogged, I don't think it is possible to reach 10 percent concentration in the air. You should be totally safe in this regard. Though I haven't used it, others seem to have had some success with it. A good mask is important.

High menthol concentrations in the air made me nauseous and have headaches. I can no longer have high concentrations in the air. I now only use menthol on my leather chair (under my butt) at work.

J

From: Lynn <torpedolynn@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 12:42:46 AMSubject: Re: Scientists turn stem cells into pork

Thank you for this. 10 percent is not much of a margerine. Might be safer to use it in a hand spray instead of a fogger. More control over the percentages that way. In Light Lynnp.s. What I really really want to do is the menthol crystals. Before the 3 step program I had bought some cheap soap stone defusers. I have had a load of tea candles forever. Just need to buy the Menthol crystals. Thats tricky also. Can not burn more than 20 minutes on soap stone without having problems.>> Hi Lynn,> > Chlorine Dioxide is quite dangerous in gas/mist form, but breaks down fairly quickly (especially in sunlight). As far as I can tell, with proper protection, an environmental spray should be safe. See

the health/safety concerns below (from http://www.lenntech .com/processes/ disinfection/ chemical/ disinfectants- chlorine- dioxide.htm):> > "When chlorine dioxide concentrations reach 10% or more in air, chlorine dioxide becomes explosive. > Acute exposure of the skin to chlorine that originates from the decomposition of chlorine dioxide, causes irritations and burns. Eye exposure eyes to chlorine dioxide causes irritations, watering eyes and a blurry sight. Chlorine dioxide gas can be absorbed by the skin, where it damages tissue and blood cells. Inhalation of chlorine dioxide gas causes coughing, a sore throat, severe headaches, lung oedema and bronchio spasma. The symptoms can begin to show long after the exposure has taken place and can remain for a long time. Chronical exposure to chlorine dioxide

causes bronchitis. The health standard for chlorine dioxide is 0,1 ppm."> > J

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Lynn,

I found the menthol crystals burn the eyes, so I shut off the rooms where they were burning. Some people burn them by their bedside, but we didn't do that, and with your sensitivities, it probably would be best to avoid being in close proximity while they're burning. So, what we did is burn them in the unoccupied rooms until the vapors would get so strong that they drifted into other areas of the house, and then turned them off. (I held my breath when going into the rooms to do this.) If they do become too strong, you might want to leave the house after turning them off (depending upon what means you use to burn them - we used electric candle warmers), until the vapors are not so strong.

All the best,

Judy

Re: Scientists turn stem cells into pork

Thank you for this. 10 percent is not much of a margerine. Might be safer to use it in a hand spray instead of a fogger. More control over the percentages that way. In Light Lynnp.s. What I really really want to do is the menthol crystals. Before the 3 step program I had bought some cheap soap stone defusers. I have had a load of tea candles forever. Just need to buy the Menthol crystals. Thats tricky also. Can not burn more than 20 minutes on soap stone without having problems.>> Hi Lynn,> > Chlorine Dioxide is quite dangerous in gas/mist form, but breaks down fairly quickly (especially in sunlight). As far as I can tell, with proper protection, an environmental spray should be safe. See the health/safety concerns below (from http://www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/chemical/disinfectants-chlorine-dioxide.htm):> > "When chlorine dioxide concentrations reach 10% or more in air, chlorine dioxide becomes explosive. > Acute exposure of the skin to chlorine that originates from the decomposition of chlorine dioxide, causes irritations and burns. Eye exposure eyes to chlorine dioxide causes irritations, watering eyes and a blurry sight. Chlorine dioxide gas can be absorbed by the skin, where it damages tissue and blood cells. Inhalation of chlorine dioxide gas causes coughing, a sore throat, severe headaches, lung oedema and bronchio spasma. The symptoms can begin to show long after the exposure has taken place and can remain for a long time. Chronical exposure to chlorine dioxide causes bronchitis. The health standard for chlorine dioxide is 0,1 ppm."> > J

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It seems 8 hours air out time would be sufficient but if you begin to have a reaction, you'd have to leave the room - so would you have a place to sleep where you didn't burn them? It's a dlllema - you would need to consider how much sensitivity you have to this - I think you mentioned you've used them before?

Judy

Re: Scientists turn stem cells into pork

I hear you on that one. I was thinking in mid morning burn a diffser of menthol in every room for twenty minutes. Go in blow the candles out and leave it shut tight for 4 hours and than air out for eight hours before going back in. With twenty minutes I wonder if the air out time is enough so I will not suffer the side effects.In Light Lynn>> Lynn,> > I found the menthol crystals burn the eyes, so I shut off the rooms where they were burning. Some people burn them by their bedside, but we didn't do that, and with your sensitivities, it probably would be best to avoid being in close proximity while they're burning. So, what we did is burn them in the unoccupied rooms until the vapors would get so strong that they drifted into other areas of the house, and then turned them off. (I held my breath when going into the rooms to do this.) If they do become too strong, you might want to leave the house after turning them off (depending upon what means you use to burn them - we used electric candle warmers), until the vapors are not so strong.> > All the best,> > Judy