Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 Deanna, What did they use in the local injection? If it is a " normal " dentist, they usually like to use lidocaine (which numbs the area), and epinephrine in a combination " local anesthetic agent " . You said that " your body went into shakes " . I would imagine, that the epinephrine (another name is adrenaline), would likely increase your heart rate, make your body tremble, etc., and " give you the shakes " . Why do dentists like to use epinephrine in a local anesthetic? Because the epinephrine causes the local blood vessels to constrict, and therefore the lidocaine is able to last longer in the area providing the numbing effect. The constricted blood vessels are less able to carry away the lidocaine to be metabolized. What kind of " local " can you get? Have the dentist use ONLY lidocaine. Tell them that you have had bad effects from the lidocaine. The only drawback is that they may need to give you additional injections of the straight lidocaine. If this works, be absolutely sure that they make this on your dental chart as having a bad reaction to the locally injected epinephrine. Only don't trust the chart info from one dentist visit to the next. You have to be sure to remind them every time, and then check right before they inject you. As far as the sedation goes... Whew!! You really should have discussed the anesthesia beforehand. My guess is that they are planning on giving you more than a local. You really need to find out exactly what agents they are using before you let them put in the IV. If you have had any surgery before, do you know what anesthetic agents you have had? Did you ever have a bad effect from anesthetic agents? If it is a 2 hour drive there, and they are planning on using more than a local anesthetic, then I would imagine that the office would have told you to bring someone to drive you home. You did mean sedation, right? How hard would it be to discuss this issue first with the periodontist and then re-schedule your visit after you have your questions answered? I am not a doctor nor a dentist. So who knows what you should really do. These are just some ideas about what I have considered for myself before. Carol At 03:34 PM 06/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hi group, >A few months ago I began the process of getting my teeth cleaned. It's >turned into a long ordeal, with the local dentist only being able to do >small portions of teeth at a time due to my inability to tolerate the >pain. The last time my body went into shakes with the first injection. I >left with so many holes in my mouth it felt like hamburger in there. The >brain felt numb and I had to lie down in the car for 30 minutes before >driving home. It was 9 hours getting past the effects of the injections. >They said this a very tenacious type of plaque. Indeed it was taking a >lot of work to remove it. Someone suggested this may be due to the scurvy >and constant bleeding gums. At any rate, the dentist has passed me off to >a periodontist to finish the work, saying he is better equipped for >sedation and getting the work done more comfortably. The appointment is >tomorrow a.m.. My question: Is there anything they might do there t! hat >one should avoid? I have no idea what they use for sedation, or what >might be more harmful than helpful. It's a 2 hour trip there, sigh, so >I'm wondering also if I'll be able to drive myself home after, keeping in >mind the trip is a challenge to begin with, what with the CFS/FM. Any >suggestions? >Thanks, Deanna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 > Re: Dental ? > Deanna,...You said that " your body went into shakes " . I would imagine that the epinephrine > (another name is adrenaline), would likely increase your heart rate, make your body tremble, > etc., and " give you the shakes " . Hey Carol, I don't think it was what was in the injections, I think it was the paaaaain of the injections. Can't help it, but my body just does the shimmy uncontrollably when it's given more paaaaain to deal with, and I'm sort of at my max tolerance right now. It's happened before. I try to explain to drs about it: 'Please take it easy with me and try not to raise my pain level', but it either freaks them out and they send me to someone else, or they tell me I'm 'just nervous', pat my hand and ignore my requests. Sigh. One poor dr once not only believed me though, but so identified with my pain that he started getting the shakes himself and almost got sick. Poor baby. I felt sorry for him, he was SO compassionate. But unfortunately he did not choose dentistry as his career. Bummer for me. > You really should have discussed the anesthesia beforehand. My guess is that they are > planning on giving you more than a local. You really need to find out exactly what agents > they are using before you let them put in the IV. IV?!?!? O_O Oh taLEEEdoes! Well, I'm glad you told me they might want to do that. NO WAY. Even the best IV nurses in a hospital have trouble getting IVs into me and there's no way I'm having a bunch of veins blown up tomorrow or dealing with the paaaain and bruises of all THAT mess. No Way. Always come out looking and feeling like I've been attacked by Dracula and all his hungry brothers. Yes, you're right, I absolutely should have discussed it beforehand. My brain slipped into neutral again. Revin' my engines but not goin' anywhere, ya know? I guess I was thinking they'd do some sort of gas and I'd just go off into lala land for a nice long snooze. Good grief, all this just to get my teeth cleaned. > How hard would it be to discuss this issue first with the periodontist and then re-schedule > your visit after you have your questions answered? Yep. That's the ticket. Talk. Nobody's comin' at me with anymore needles. I SO appreciate your input. And I feel better prepared to defend myself tomorrow. I'm wearing red. They say it makes you look very assertive and in control. (* : *) Anybody know some quick taught karate chops? YHA! Thanks, Deanna - PS My appt is at 10:30 a.m. Pacific, if anyone cares to pray. <>< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Dental ? Hi group, A few months ago I began the process of getting my teeth cleaned. It's turned into a long ordeal, with the local dentist only being able to do small portions of teeth at a time due to my inability to tolerate the pain. The last time my body went into shakes with the first injection. I left with so many holes in my mouth it felt like hamburger in there. The brain felt numb and I had to lie down in the car for 30 minutes before driving home. It was 9 hours getting past the effects of the injections. They said this a very tenacious type of plaque. Indeed it was taking a lot of work to remove it. Someone suggested this may be due to the scurvy and constant bleeding gums. At any rate, the dentist has passed me off to a periodontist to finish the work, saying he is better equipped for sedation and getting the work done more comfortably. The appointment is tomorrow a.m.. My question: Is there anything they might do there t! hat one should avoid? I have no idea what they use for sedation, or what might be more harmful than helpful. It's a 2 hour trip there, sigh, so I'm wondering also if I'll be able to drive myself home after, keeping in mind the trip is a challenge to begin with, what with the CFS/FM. Any suggestions? Thanks, Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Dear Deanna, I read your other reply. Sounds like a good plan. Also - I don't KNOW if they would have offered you an IV. All I know is when they start talking " sedation " , you should be concerned. If they do offer gas, you might have another worry though. A former, very intelligent, doctor that I had told me never to use " halogenated methanes " in general anesthesia. There's stuff out on Yahoo on " halogenated methanes " . That is a gas, I think. I know hardly anything about anesthesia. Said that form of gas would not be good in a person with sensitivities like I have. Maybe you have had a good experience with some " gas " anesthesia. I don't know. Maybe it is just the oral surgeons who do the IV's. Well, hope things go well for you tomorrow! Carol At 11:06 PM 06/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > Re: Dental ? > > Deanna,...You said that " your body went into shakes " . I would imagine > that the epinephrine > > (another name is adrenaline), would likely increase your heart rate, > make your body tremble, > > etc., and " give you the shakes " . > >Hey Carol, >I don't think it was what was in the injections, I think it was the >paaaaain of the injections. >Can't help it, but my body just does the shimmy uncontrollably when it's >given more paaaaain >to deal with, and I'm sort of at my max tolerance right now. It's >happened before. I try to >explain to drs about it: 'Please take it easy with me and try not to raise >my pain level', but it >either freaks them out and they send me to someone else, or they tell me >I'm 'just nervous', >pat my hand and ignore my requests. Sigh. One poor dr once not only >believed me though, >but so identified with my pain that he started getting the shakes himself >and almost got sick. >Poor baby. I felt sorry for him, he was SO compassionate. But >unfortunately he did not >choose dentistry as his career. Bummer for me. > > > You really should have discussed the anesthesia beforehand. My guess > is that they are > > planning on giving you more than a local. You really need to find out > exactly what agents > > they are using before you let them put in the IV. > >IV?!?!? O_O Oh taLEEEdoes! Well, I'm glad you told me they might >want to do that. >NO WAY. Even the best IV nurses in a hospital have trouble getting IVs >into me and there's >no way I'm having a bunch of veins blown up tomorrow or dealing with the >paaaain and bruises >of all THAT mess. No Way. Always come out looking and feeling like I've >been attacked by Dracula and all his hungry brothers. Yes, you're right, >I absolutely should have discussed it beforehand. My brain slipped into >neutral again. Revin' my engines but not goin' anywhere, >ya know? I guess I was thinking they'd do some sort of gas and I'd just >go off into lala land for >a nice long snooze. Good grief, all this just to get my teeth cleaned. > > > How hard would it be to discuss this issue first with the periodontist > and then re-schedule > > your visit after you have your questions answered? > >Yep. That's the ticket. Talk. Nobody's comin' at me with anymore >needles. I SO appreciate >your input. And I feel better prepared to defend myself tomorrow. I'm >wearing red. They say >it makes you look very assertive and in control. (* : *) Anybody know >some quick taught >karate chops? YHA! > >Thanks, Deanna - PS My appt is at 10:30 a.m. Pacific, if anyone cares to >pray. <>< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Deanna, Glad to hear you have a new determination and motivation to not let the " :butchers " come near you. Whatever you do don't tell them you plan to use CS... you will end up in the pychiatric ward at the nearest hospital! Just tell them you want to hear what their " game plan " is and then tell them you are " coming down with the flu " and will get back to them later. By the way, I am not the only one who has enjoyed no plaque thanks to CS. A number of people on the CS list have said the same thing. Keeping my fingers crossed that you get out of there under you own steam and not on a stretcher. Keep us posted. ... Dental ? Hi group, A few months ago I began the process of getting my teeth cleaned. It's turned into a long ordeal, with the local dentist only being able to do small portions of teeth at a time due to my inability to tolerate the pain. The last time my body went into shakes with the first injection. I left with so many holes in my mouth it felt like hamburger in there. The brain felt numb and I had to lie down in the car for 30 minutes before driving home. It was 9 hours getting past the effects of the injections. They said this a very tenacious type of plaque. Indeed it was taking a lot of work to remove it. Someone suggested this may be due to the scurvy and constant bleeding gums. At any rate, the dentist has passed me off to a periodontist to finish the work, saying he is better equipped for sedation and getting the work done more comfortably. The appointment is tomorrow a.m.. My question: Is there anything they might do ! there t! hat one should avoid? I have no idea what they use for sedation, or what might be more harmful than helpful. It's a 2 hour trip there, sigh, so I'm wondering also if I'll be able to drive myself home after, keeping in mind the trip is a challenge to begin with, what with the CFS/FM. Any suggestions? Thanks, Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Thanks and Carol, I feel armed and loaded for bear. I am off to face the opposition and confident I shall return unscathed. Pumped in California, Deanna Fw: Dental ? Deanna, ..... if it were me I would cancel the appointment, go to the nearest HFS and buy a couple of bottles of Colloidal Silver. Swish about a tbs full in your mouth for a couple of minutes 2-3 times a day, especially at night....Continue swishing (then swallowing) for several months. You will not only get rid of the plaque but will have the greatest protection against colds, flu and 650 other ailments. If you use CS at least once a day, after the plaque is cleared up you will never need to have dental cleaning done again. .........I have been using CS for almost 3 years and have not had any plaque in a long time, nor have even been to a dentist. I also cured byself of 4 abscessed root canals with it. This is your chance to take responsibility for your own health, and save a bucket of money at the same time. Good luck, ... ***************** Wo girl, I like the way you talk! CS it is. I have to show up for the appt or they'll charge me for it and my insurance won't cover it, but I will just talk to them about my options and if they can't offer me anything EXTREMELY inviting, like a 12 pack of Demerol and a week in Tahiti, then I'll just come home and do the CS. I am so jazzed. I have a CS maker! I had used CS in a nebulizer a while back. I had no idea I could use it for plaque. Fortunately my teeth are all sound, no new decay, but it's great to have this new info to pass along to others. I will start happily swishing and swallowing tonight. Totally giddy here. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Hi all, do you think it would also help get rid of plaque beyond the gum line? My dentist want me to have the gums cut open and have the plaque scraped out, said I have a lot of bone loss, and a few teeth in the back are a little loose. I definately do not want to have the surgery, it sounds awful! Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 , About 20 years ago my dentist told me the same thing. I had appointment set up for the " horrible procedure " , but a friend told me to go to a holistic dentist that she knew. He told me to take high doses of vit C & E, don't remember how much, and to this day my gums are fine. That was long before I knew about CS, but would imagine that swishing it 2-3 times a day, plus the vitamins would be a double shot at improving the health of your gums. There may be other stuff, maybe oil of oregano, that would also keep you from having your gums cut to shreds, maybe someone else on list has more info. Try whatever you can, but I would'nt let them do it to me, knowing what I know now. ... ----- Hi all, do you think it would also help get rid of plaque beyond the gum line? My dentist want me to have the gums cut open and have the plaque scraped out, said I have a lot of bone loss, and a few teeth in the back are a little loose. I definately do not want to have the surgery, it sounds awful! Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 , thanks for the reply, didn't know about vit C & E being good for the gums, at this point I think I should get a truckload of CS:) Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 gums. There may be other stuff, maybe oil of oregano, that would also keep you from having your gums cut to shreds, maybe someone else on list has more info. Try whatever you can, but I would'nt let them do it to me, knowing what I know now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------- Please see this excellent site for all things dental: http://mizar5.com/omedia1.htm " An EXCELLENT place to learn about root canal alternatives, tooth decay, cavities, periodontal disease, gingivitis, plaque, tarter, dentists, preventive dentistry, in-home dental care and oral hygiene. START SAVING DENTAL DOLLARS NOW! " I do not believe there is any better info available than what Tom provides here, based on the work of Nara DDS. This is the BEST preventative as well as healing advice you can find. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 , Did you do anything other the CS for your root canals? Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Deanna, So glad to hear that you got out of there alive! I was really getting concerned when we did'nt hear from you. In addition to doing the CS swishing start a regimen of 1000 vit C and 400 vit E 2 times a day. This really worked wonders for me long ago when the dentist set me up for gum cutting, before I knew about CS. 25 years later no gum problems. Let us know when you see some improvement, ... Re: Dental ? Hi all, Reporting on my trip to the periodontist. They first wanted to do a set of x rays. I mentioned that I'd had a set taken at home in January and hadn't they been forwarded? Upon investigation it was found they had not. I declined having more taken, at which time they decided to concentrate on the oral exam. Gums were probed and found 'highly inflammed, highly sensitive, infected, bleeding'. All teeth were found to be 'tight'. Long story short, they basically wanted to do the same as what shared; a lot of cutting and planing. It was explained that because of bone loss and consequential loose gum pockets, that the tops of my gums near each tooth would be removed in order to reduce the depth of the pocket around the tooth, so it would be easier to maintain a clean pocket and reduce the possibility of further root plaque. Then of course the planing of the roots. I was then given over to someone else and taught how to keep my teeth clean, then to someone else who talked to me about money. $2,300 if all went according to plan, which included Valium and Nitris Oxide. They said they would try to get it all done in one session, but it would depend on how my body handled the trauma. One thing I was happily surprised about and really appreciated, the dr understood fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. He really understood how the CFS/FM body reacts to trauma, traveling, etc. He anticipated my not being able to hold a mirror up in front of myself while he talked and pointed to observations in my mouth, and ceased probing when he observed the beginning of shakes. He was very pleasant, but talked 90 mph which was a bit challenging for me. Then, at the end, he questioned me; 'SOWHATAREWEGOINGTODOFORYOU?', as if testing my cognitive abilities. Took me about 10 seconds to figure out what he said, why, and give him a satisfactory answer. ha. Anyway, I've decided to decline their treatment. I just can't seem to work up any enthusiasm for being drugged, gassed, sliced, planed, and stitched. At least not till I've given the Colloidal Silver a good effort. I'm hoping once I reach a turn around point in my health that perhaps the 'bone loss' might be reversed and my mouth become more normal again. Am I dreaming? , what do you say, shall we do the CS at the same time, keep in touch and compare notes? In any case, I will report to list my progress. I'm so grateful that a reasonable alternative was suggested to me here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hi all, Reporting on my trip to the periodontist. They first wanted to do a set of x rays. I mentioned that I'd had a set taken at home in January and hadn't they been forwarded? Upon investigation it was found they had not. I declined having more taken, at which time they decided to concentrate on the oral exam. Gums were probed and found 'highly inflammed, highly sensitive, infected, bleeding'. All teeth were found to be 'tight'. Long story short, they basically wanted to do the same as what shared; a lot of cutting and planing. It was explained that because of bone loss and consequential loose gum pockets, that the tops of my gums near each tooth would be removed in order to reduce the depth of the pocket around the tooth, so it would be easier to maintain a clean pocket and reduce the possibility of further root plaque. Then of course the planing of the roots. I was then given over to someone else and taught how to keep my teeth clean, then to someone else who talked to me about money. $2,300 if all went according to plan, which included Valium and Nitris Oxide. They said they would try to get it all done in one session, but it would depend on how my body handled the trauma. One thing I was happily surprised about and really appreciated, the dr understood fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. He really understood how the CFS/FM body reacts to trauma, traveling, etc. He anticipated my not being able to hold a mirror up in front of myself while he talked and pointed to observations in my mouth, and ceased probing when he observed the beginning of shakes. He was very pleasant, but talked 90 mph which was a bit challenging for me. Then, at the end, he questioned me; 'SOWHATAREWEGOINGTODOFORYOU?', as if testing my cognitive abilities. Took me about 10 seconds to figure out what he said, why, and give him a satisfactory answer. ha. Anyway, I've decided to decline their treatment. I just can't seem to work up any enthusiasm for being drugged, gassed, sliced, planed, and stitched. At least not till I've given the Colloidal Silver a good effort. I'm hoping once I reach a turn around point in my health that perhaps the 'bone loss' might be reversed and my mouth become more normal again. Am I dreaming? , what do you say, shall we do the CS at the same time, keep in touch and compare notes? In any case, I will report to list my progress. I'm so grateful that a reasonable alternative was suggested to me here. Deanna ********************* Fw: Dental ? Deanna, ..... if it were me I would cancel the appointment, go to the nearest HFS and buy a couple of bottles of Colloidal Silver. Swish about a tbs full in your mouth for a couple of minutes 2-3 times a day, especially at night....Continue swishing (then swallowing) for several months. You will not only get rid of the plaque but will have the greatest protection against colds, flu and 650 other ailments. If you use CS at least once a day, after the plaque is cleared up you will never need to have dental cleaning done again. .........I have been using CS for almost 3 years and have not had any plaque in a long time, nor have even been to a dentist. I also cured byself of 4 abscessed root canals with it. This is your chance to take responsibility for your own health, and save a bucket of money at the same time. Good luck, ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 At present I am doing between 6,000 & 10,000 of vit C daily, depending on how much I have on hand. It's the only thing that reduces the gum bleeding. I will add the E at my earliest opportunity, and I'm wondering if 400 will be enough. It seems if anything does help that it needs to be in huge doses. But, I'll give it a try then work up if need be. Anyone know if there's a safety level? Deanna ---- Original Message ----- From: dblack To: oxyplus Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Dental ? Deanna, So glad to hear that you got out of there alive! I was really getting concerned when we did'nt hear from you. In addition to doing the CS swishing start a regimen of 1000 vit C and 400 vit E 2 times a day. This really worked wonders for me long ago when the dentist set me up for gum cutting, before I knew about CS. 25 years later no gum problems.Let us know when you see some improvement, ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Deanna, I used 400 E twice a day, but more might not be bad. I don't know, hopefully someone else does. ... Re: Dental ? At present I am doing between 6,000 & 10,000 of vit C daily, depending on how much I have on hand. It's the only thing that reduces the gum bleeding. I will add the E at my earliest opportunity, and I'm wondering if 400 will be enough. It seems if anything does help that it needs to be in huge doses. But, I'll give it a try then work up if need be. Anyone know if there's a safety level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hi to all as well as Deanna & , I bought a bottle of CS and started using it yesterday. Like you, my gums are in really bad shape. I am willing to give this a chance. I went to the website that gave me and the testimonials there are just wonderful on the many things that CS can do for so many different ailments. I will report my progress to the list as well. One question though, the CS I bought was in a plastic bottle. told me it should also be in glass. Will the CS I bought help me, or should I toss it, and get some in glass bottles? Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply. You guys are simply wonderful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 No, not a thing.... I got off really easy, did'nt I?? Re: Dental ? , Did you do anything other the CS for your root canals? Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Have you read Dr Barefoot's book, The Calcium Factor. Essential reading I think, for anyone on this list. I would bet you lack calcium. Have you done the pH paper saliva test? This is of the utmost importance, as calcium is the most important mineral in the body and is of course essential for tooth health. Greg Re: Dental ? > > > Hi all, > Reporting on my trip to the periodontist. They first wanted to do a set of x rays. I mentioned > that I'd had a set taken at home in January and hadn't they been forwarded? Upon investigation it was found they had not. I declined having more taken, at which time they decided to concentrate on the oral exam. Gums were probed and found 'highly inflammed, highly sensitive, infected, bleeding'. All teeth were found to be 'tight'. Long story short, they basically wanted to do the same as what shared; a lot of cutting and planing. It was explained that because of bone loss and consequential loose gum pockets, that the tops of my gums near each tooth would be removed in order to reduce the depth of the pocket around the tooth, so it would be easier to maintain a clean pocket and reduce the possibility of further root plaque. Then of course the planing of the roots. > > I was then given over to someone else and taught how to keep my teeth clean, then to someone else who talked to me about money. $2,300 if all went according to plan, which included Valium and Nitris Oxide. They said they would try to get it all done in one session, but it would depend on how my body handled the trauma. > > One thing I was happily surprised about and really appreciated, the dr understood fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. He really understood how the CFS/FM body reacts to trauma, traveling, etc. He anticipated my not being able to hold a mirror up in front of myself while he talked and pointed to observations in my mouth, and ceased probing when he observed the beginning of shakes. He was very pleasant, but talked 90 mph which was a bit challenging for me. > > Then, at the end, he questioned me; 'SOWHATAREWEGOINGTODOFORYOU?', as if testing > my cognitive abilities. Took me about 10 seconds to figure out what he said, why, and give him a satisfactory answer. ha. > > Anyway, I've decided to decline their treatment. I just can't seem to work up any enthusiasm for > being drugged, gassed, sliced, planed, and stitched. At least not till I've given the Colloidal Silver > a good effort. I'm hoping once I reach a turn around point in my health that perhaps the 'bone loss' > might be reversed and my mouth become more normal again. Am I dreaming? > > , what do you say, shall we do the CS at the same time, keep in touch and compare notes? > In any case, I will report to list my progress. > > I'm so grateful that a reasonable alternative was suggested to me here. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hi Deanna, There are some articles that I have read that have said that up to 1600 I.U. or even more of Vitamin E each day are OK. I was trying Vitamin E at that level or at 2000 I.U. a day because it helps with hot flashes. I found that after awhile I had a bad side effect of capillary bleeding inside the sclera of one of my eyes. Vitamin E does act as an anti-coagulant at higher levels. It seems that there are many opinions as to the upper level safety limit. One article that I read said no more than 1100 I.U. Another article said that an upper level was at 3000 I.U. http://www.enerex.bc.ca/Nutrition%20Digest/IIA-3%20Vitamin%20E.htm http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=%22anticoagulant%22+%2b%22Vitamin+E%22 & hc=0 & \ hs=0 You might to do some reading as to the upper safety levels just due to the simple fact that you are trying to stop bleeding from occurring. Vitamin C is very helpful with that. With the Vitamin C, have you tried the " bowel tolerance " testing suggested by Linus ing & Dr. Cathcart to see what your upper level limits are on that vitamin? You might need more for awhile than what you are currently taking. Also - what about Vitamin K? Carol At 12:36 PM 06/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At present I am doing between 6,000 & 10,000 of vit C daily, depending on >how much I have on hand. It's the only thing that reduces the gum >bleeding. I will add the E at my earliest opportunity, >and I'm wondering if 400 will be enough. It seems if anything does help >that it needs to be in huge doses. But, I'll give it a try then work up >if need be. Anyone know if there's a safety level? >Deanna >51c78e24.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Deanna, There are 2 supplements that are specific to the health and restoration of diseased gums. One is bioflavenoids, which actually do more to tighten gum tissue, and stop " pink toothbrush " than Vit C itself. Isolated ascorbic acid is not found in nature, it is always accompanied by bioflavenoids, i.e., the inner pith of grapefruit, oranges, etc. The most important bioflav in this case is rutin. You will see a world of difference, faster, if you include this/these with your C. The other supplement, getting noticeably great reviews for gum health, is CoQ-10, ingested and topically applied. However, the most important action to take is killing the bacteria that lodges around the gums, so the CSilver is vital, as is flossing after every meal, and using a dental irrigator with an anti-bacterial instead of plain water. CSilver would probably shine here also, thoughH2O2 is also a good bet. Best of luck, Sharon > At present I am doing between 6,000 & 10,000 of vit C daily, depending on how much I have on hand. It's the only thing that reduces the gum bleeding. I will add the E at my earliest opportunity, > and I'm wondering if 400 will be enough. It seems if anything does help that it needs to be in huge doses. But, I'll give it a try then work up if need be. Anyone know if there's a safety level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 , I have heard that you can store CS in plastic bottles similar to hydrogen peroxide bottles. It is a plastic that is different than the typical plastic. So if anyone who is making CS has empty H202 bottles I think that is OK to use for it. I have always used glass, just to be on the safe side, but don't worry about the bottle you have, I think you can use it OK. Apparently it is the type of plastic that does not leach plastic into the CS or they would not be able to sell it. I'm glad you are starting on it and feel sure you will see a difference in a week or less. YOu might get faster results not only from swishing CS but dip your toothbrush in it to scrub gum areas twice a day. ... Re: Dental ? Hi to all as well as Deanna & , I bought a bottle of CS and started using it yesterday. Like you, my gums are in really bad shape. I am willing to give this a chance. I went to the website that gave me and the testimonials there are just wonderful on the many things that CS can do for so many different ailments. I will report my progress to the list as well. One question though, the CS I bought was in a plastic bottle. told me it should also be in glass. Will the CS I bought help me, or should I toss it, and get some in glass bottles? Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply. You guys are simply wonderful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Such high Vit C probably needs MSM to do most good otherwise much of it would be wasted I think. Somebody else may be able to give you more accurate info. Best, Ken\ Re: Dental ? > Deanna, So glad to hear that you got out of there alive! I was really getting concerned when we did'nt hear from you. In addition to doing the CS swishing start a regimen of 1000 vit C and 400 vit E 2 times a day. This really worked wonders for me long ago when the dentist set me up for gum cutting, before I knew about CS. 25 years later no gum problems.Let us know when you see some improvement, ... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Hi Greg, No, haven't read the book yet, but you're right, I lack calcium. In the past I have gotten shorter, broken bones, etc. But was unable to take a helpful dose of calcium without complications. Added MSM a few months ago and can now take a full capsule of Dr Barefoot's Coral Calcium if I take it with 3 Magnesium Orotates. I am hopeful I'll be able to work up to more soon. I have not done the PH test before, but recently got a free strip of paper from dr clark with an order and as I sit here typing an answer to your question I put a piece in my mouth according to instructions. Comparing it to the color chart on the card it looks to be between 5.5 and 6.0 . I have no idea what that means. Deanna *********** Re: Dental ? It was explained that because of bone loss and consequential loose gum pockets, that the tops of my gums near each tooth would be removed in order to reduce the depth of the pocket around the tooth, so it would be easier to maintain a clean pocket and reduce the possibility of further root plaque......I'm hoping once I reach a turn around point in my health that perhaps the 'bone loss' might be reversed and my mouth become more normal again. Am I dreaming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Dear Deanna, What complications have you noticed with taking calcium? Carol At 10:23 AM 06/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Greg, No, haven't read the book yet, but you're right, I lack >calcium. In the past I have >gotten shorter, broken bones, etc. But was unable to take a helpful dose >of calcium without >complications. Added MSM a few months ago and can now take a full capsule >of Dr Barefoot's >Coral Calcium if I take it with 3 Magnesium Orotates. I am hopeful I'll >be able to work up to >more soon. I have not done the PH test before, but recently got a free >strip of paper from dr clark with an order and as I sit here typing an >answer to your question I put a piece in my mouth according to >instructions. Comparing it to the color chart on the card it looks to be >between 5.5 >and 6.0 . I have no idea what that means. Deanna >*********** > Re: Dental ? >Have you read Dr Barefoot's book, The Calcium Factor. Essential reading I >think, for anyone on this list. I would bet you lack calcium. Have you >done the pH paper saliva test? This is of the utmost importance, as >calcium is the most important mineral in the body and is of course >essential for tooth health. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Re: Dental ? Dear Deanna, What complications have you noticed with taking calcium? Carol ******* Carol, I was unable to assimilate calcium. After taking it the fibro pain level shot up and the heart rate would stay around 220, I'd be breathless, weak, and have bad shudders. I had to stay at 1/3 cap of Barefoot's Coral Calcium a day. After adding the MSM I found I could tolerate a whole capsule if it was accompanied by 3 Mag Os. Without the Os though, the same thing happens. But I'm very encouraged right now, as I have very little in the way of shudders, the least I've had in years. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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