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Deanna,

What did they use in the local injection?

If it is a " normal " dentist, they usually like to use lidocaine (which

numbs the area), and epinephrine in a combination " local anesthetic agent " .

You said that " your body went into shakes " . I would imagine, that the

epinephrine (another name is adrenaline), would likely increase your heart

rate, make your body tremble, etc., and " give you the shakes " .

Why do dentists like to use epinephrine in a local anesthetic? Because the

epinephrine causes the local blood vessels to constrict, and therefore the

lidocaine is able to last longer in the area providing the numbing

effect. The constricted blood vessels are less able to carry away the

lidocaine to be metabolized.

What kind of " local " can you get? Have the dentist use ONLY

lidocaine. Tell them that you have had bad effects from the

lidocaine. The only drawback is that they may need to give you additional

injections of the straight lidocaine. If this works, be absolutely sure

that they make this on your dental chart as having a bad reaction to the

locally injected epinephrine. Only don't trust the chart info from one

dentist visit to the next. You have to be sure to remind them every time,

and then check right before they inject you.

As far as the sedation goes... Whew!!

You really should have discussed the anesthesia beforehand. My guess is

that they are planning on giving you more than a local. You really need to

find out exactly what agents they are using before you let them put in the IV.

If you have had any surgery before, do you know what anesthetic agents you

have had? Did you ever have a bad effect from anesthetic agents? If it is

a 2 hour drive there, and they are planning on using more than a local

anesthetic, then I would imagine that the office would have told you to

bring someone to drive you home. You did mean sedation, right?

How hard would it be to discuss this issue first with the periodontist and

then re-schedule your visit after you have your questions answered?

I am not a doctor nor a dentist. So who knows what you should really

do. These are just some ideas about what I have considered for myself before.

Carol

At 03:34 PM 06/18/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi group,

>A few months ago I began the process of getting my teeth cleaned. It's

>turned into a long ordeal, with the local dentist only being able to do

>small portions of teeth at a time due to my inability to tolerate the

>pain. The last time my body went into shakes with the first injection. I

>left with so many holes in my mouth it felt like hamburger in there. The

>brain felt numb and I had to lie down in the car for 30 minutes before

>driving home. It was 9 hours getting past the effects of the injections.

>They said this a very tenacious type of plaque. Indeed it was taking a

>lot of work to remove it. Someone suggested this may be due to the scurvy

>and constant bleeding gums. At any rate, the dentist has passed me off to

>a periodontist to finish the work, saying he is better equipped for

>sedation and getting the work done more comfortably. The appointment is

>tomorrow a.m.. My question: Is there anything they might do there t! hat

>one should avoid? I have no idea what they use for sedation, or what

>might be more harmful than helpful. It's a 2 hour trip there, sigh, so

>I'm wondering also if I'll be able to drive myself home after, keeping in

>mind the trip is a challenge to begin with, what with the CFS/FM. Any

>suggestions?

>Thanks, Deanna

>

>

>

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> Deanna,...You said that " your body went into shakes " . I would imagine that

the epinephrine

> (another name is adrenaline), would likely increase your heart rate, make your

body tremble,

> etc., and " give you the shakes " .

Hey Carol,

I don't think it was what was in the injections, I think it was the paaaaain of

the injections.

Can't help it, but my body just does the shimmy uncontrollably when it's given

more paaaaain

to deal with, and I'm sort of at my max tolerance right now. It's happened

before. I try to

explain to drs about it: 'Please take it easy with me and try not to raise my

pain level', but it

either freaks them out and they send me to someone else, or they tell me I'm

'just nervous',

pat my hand and ignore my requests. Sigh. One poor dr once not only believed me

though,

but so identified with my pain that he started getting the shakes himself and

almost got sick.

Poor baby. I felt sorry for him, he was SO compassionate. But unfortunately he

did not

choose dentistry as his career. Bummer for me.

> You really should have discussed the anesthesia beforehand. My guess is that

they are

> planning on giving you more than a local. You really need to find out exactly

what agents

> they are using before you let them put in the IV.

IV?!?!? O_O Oh taLEEEdoes! Well, I'm glad you told me they might want to

do that.

NO WAY. Even the best IV nurses in a hospital have trouble getting IVs into me

and there's

no way I'm having a bunch of veins blown up tomorrow or dealing with the paaaain

and bruises

of all THAT mess. No Way. Always come out looking and feeling like I've been

attacked by Dracula and all his hungry brothers. Yes, you're right, I

absolutely should have discussed it beforehand. My brain slipped into neutral

again. Revin' my engines but not goin' anywhere,

ya know? I guess I was thinking they'd do some sort of gas and I'd just go off

into lala land for

a nice long snooze. Good grief, all this just to get my teeth cleaned.

> How hard would it be to discuss this issue first with the periodontist and

then re-schedule

> your visit after you have your questions answered?

Yep. That's the ticket. Talk. Nobody's comin' at me with anymore needles. I

SO appreciate

your input. And I feel better prepared to defend myself tomorrow. I'm wearing

red. They say

it makes you look very assertive and in control. (* : *) Anybody know some

quick taught

karate chops? YHA!

Thanks, Deanna - PS My appt is at 10:30 a.m. Pacific, if anyone cares to pray.

<>< :)

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Hi group,

A few months ago I began the process of getting my teeth cleaned. It's turned

into a long ordeal, with the local dentist only being able to do small portions

of teeth at a time due to my inability to tolerate the pain. The last time my

body went into shakes with the first injection. I left with so many holes in my

mouth it felt like hamburger in there. The brain felt numb and I had to lie

down in the car for 30 minutes before driving home. It was 9 hours getting past

the effects of the injections. They said this a very tenacious type of plaque.

Indeed it was taking a lot of work to remove it. Someone suggested this may be

due to the scurvy and constant bleeding gums. At any rate, the dentist has

passed me off to a periodontist to finish the work, saying he is better equipped

for sedation and getting the work done more comfortably. The appointment is

tomorrow a.m.. My question: Is there anything they might do there t! hat one

should avoid? I have no idea what they use for sedation, or what might be more

harmful than helpful. It's a 2 hour trip there, sigh, so I'm wondering also if

I'll be able to drive myself home after, keeping in mind the trip is a challenge

to begin with, what with the CFS/FM. Any suggestions?

Thanks, Deanna

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Dear Deanna,

I read your other reply. Sounds like a good plan.

Also - I don't KNOW if they would have offered you an IV. All I know is

when they start talking " sedation " , you should be concerned. If they do

offer gas, you might have another worry though. A former, very

intelligent, doctor that I had told me never to use " halogenated methanes "

in general anesthesia. There's stuff out on Yahoo on " halogenated

methanes " . That is a gas, I think. I know hardly anything about

anesthesia. Said that form of gas would not be good in a person with

sensitivities like I have. Maybe you have had a good experience with some

" gas " anesthesia. I don't know. Maybe it is just the oral surgeons who do

the IV's.

Well, hope things go well for you tomorrow!

Carol

At 11:06 PM 06/18/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> > Re: Dental ?

> > Deanna,...You said that " your body went into shakes " . I would imagine

> that the epinephrine

> > (another name is adrenaline), would likely increase your heart rate,

> make your body tremble,

> > etc., and " give you the shakes " .

>

>Hey Carol,

>I don't think it was what was in the injections, I think it was the

>paaaaain of the injections.

>Can't help it, but my body just does the shimmy uncontrollably when it's

>given more paaaaain

>to deal with, and I'm sort of at my max tolerance right now. It's

>happened before. I try to

>explain to drs about it: 'Please take it easy with me and try not to raise

>my pain level', but it

>either freaks them out and they send me to someone else, or they tell me

>I'm 'just nervous',

>pat my hand and ignore my requests. Sigh. One poor dr once not only

>believed me though,

>but so identified with my pain that he started getting the shakes himself

>and almost got sick.

>Poor baby. I felt sorry for him, he was SO compassionate. But

>unfortunately he did not

>choose dentistry as his career. Bummer for me.

>

> > You really should have discussed the anesthesia beforehand. My guess

> is that they are

> > planning on giving you more than a local. You really need to find out

> exactly what agents

> > they are using before you let them put in the IV.

>

>IV?!?!? O_O Oh taLEEEdoes! Well, I'm glad you told me they might

>want to do that.

>NO WAY. Even the best IV nurses in a hospital have trouble getting IVs

>into me and there's

>no way I'm having a bunch of veins blown up tomorrow or dealing with the

>paaaain and bruises

>of all THAT mess. No Way. Always come out looking and feeling like I've

>been attacked by Dracula and all his hungry brothers. Yes, you're right,

>I absolutely should have discussed it beforehand. My brain slipped into

>neutral again. Revin' my engines but not goin' anywhere,

>ya know? I guess I was thinking they'd do some sort of gas and I'd just

>go off into lala land for

>a nice long snooze. Good grief, all this just to get my teeth cleaned.

>

> > How hard would it be to discuss this issue first with the periodontist

> and then re-schedule

> > your visit after you have your questions answered?

>

>Yep. That's the ticket. Talk. Nobody's comin' at me with anymore

>needles. I SO appreciate

>your input. And I feel better prepared to defend myself tomorrow. I'm

>wearing red. They say

>it makes you look very assertive and in control. (* : *) Anybody know

>some quick taught

>karate chops? YHA!

>

>Thanks, Deanna - PS My appt is at 10:30 a.m. Pacific, if anyone cares to

>pray. <>< :)

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Deanna,

Glad to hear you have a new determination and motivation to not let the

" :butchers " come near you. Whatever you do don't tell them you plan to use

CS... you will end up in the pychiatric ward at the nearest hospital! Just tell

them you want to hear what their " game plan " is and then tell them you are

" coming down with the flu " and will get back to them later.

By the way, I am not the only one who has enjoyed no plaque thanks to CS. A

number of people on the CS list have said the same thing.

Keeping my fingers crossed that you get out of there under you own steam and not

on a stretcher. Keep us posted.

...

Dental ?

Hi group,

A few months ago I began the process of getting my teeth cleaned. It's

turned into a long ordeal, with the local dentist only being able to do small

portions of teeth at a time due to my inability to tolerate the pain. The last

time my body went into shakes with the first injection. I left with so many

holes in my mouth it felt like hamburger in there. The brain felt numb and I

had to lie down in the car for 30 minutes before driving home. It was 9 hours

getting past the effects of the injections. They said this a very tenacious type

of plaque. Indeed it was taking a lot of work to remove it. Someone suggested

this may be due to the scurvy and constant bleeding gums. At any rate, the

dentist has passed me off to a periodontist to finish the work, saying he is

better equipped for sedation and getting the work done more comfortably. The

appointment is tomorrow a.m.. My question: Is there anything they might do !

there t! hat one should avoid? I have no idea what they use for sedation, or

what might be more harmful than helpful. It's a 2 hour trip there, sigh, so I'm

wondering also if I'll be able to drive myself home after, keeping in mind the

trip is a challenge to begin with, what with the CFS/FM. Any suggestions?

Thanks, Deanna

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Thanks and Carol,

I feel armed and loaded for bear. I am off to face the opposition and confident

I shall return

unscathed. Pumped in California, Deanna

Fw: Dental ?

Deanna, ..... if it were me I would cancel the appointment, go to the

nearest HFS and buy a

couple of bottles of Colloidal Silver. Swish about a tbs full in your mouth

for a couple of minutes 2-3 times a day, especially at night....Continue

swishing (then swallowing) for several months. You will not only get rid of the

plaque but will have the greatest protection against colds, flu and 650 other

ailments. If you use CS at least once a day, after the plaque is cleared up you

will never need to have dental cleaning done again. .........I have been using

CS for almost 3 years and have not had any plaque in a long time, nor have even

been to a dentist. I also cured byself of 4 abscessed root canals with it. This

is your chance to take responsibility for your own health, and save a bucket of

money at the same time. Good luck, ...

*****************

Wo girl, I like the way you talk! CS it is. I have to show up for the

appt or they'll charge me

for it and my insurance won't cover it, but I will just talk to them about

my options and if they

can't offer me anything EXTREMELY inviting, like a 12 pack of Demerol and a

week in Tahiti,

then I'll just come home and do the CS. I am so jazzed. I have a CS maker!

I had used CS in

a nebulizer a while back. I had no idea I could use it for plaque.

Fortunately my teeth are all sound, no new decay, but it's great to have this

new info to pass along to others. I will start

happily swishing and swallowing tonight. Totally giddy here.

Deanna

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Hi all, do you think it would also help get rid of plaque beyond the gum

line? My dentist want me to have the gums cut open and have the plaque

scraped out, said I have a lot of bone loss, and a few teeth in the back are

a little loose. I definately do not want to have the surgery, it sounds

awful!

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,

About 20 years ago my dentist told me the same thing. I had appointment set up

for the " horrible procedure " , but a friend told me to go to a holistic dentist

that she knew. He told me to take high doses of vit C & E, don't remember how

much, and to this day my gums are fine. That was long before I knew about CS,

but would imagine that swishing it 2-3 times a day, plus the vitamins would be a

double shot at improving the health of your gums. There may be other stuff,

maybe oil of oregano, that would also keep you from having your gums cut to

shreds, maybe someone else on list has more info. Try whatever you can, but I

would'nt let them do it to me, knowing what I know now.

...

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Hi all, do you think it would also help get rid of plaque beyond the gum

line? My dentist want me to have the gums cut open and have the plaque

scraped out, said I have a lot of bone loss, and a few teeth in the back are

a little loose. I definately do not want to have the surgery, it sounds

awful!

Thanks,

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gums. There may be other stuff, maybe oil of oregano, that would also

keep you from having your gums cut to shreds, maybe someone else on list

has more info. Try whatever you can, but I would'nt let them do it to

me, knowing what I know now.

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I do not believe there is any better info available than what Tom

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Deanna,

So glad to hear that you got out of there alive! I was really getting concerned

when we did'nt hear from you.

In addition to doing the CS swishing start a regimen of 1000 vit C and 400 vit E

2 times a day. This really worked wonders for me long ago when the dentist set

me up for gum cutting, before I knew about CS. 25 years later no gum problems.

Let us know when you see some improvement,

...

Re: Dental ?

Hi all,

Reporting on my trip to the periodontist. They first wanted to do a set of x

rays. I mentioned

that I'd had a set taken at home in January and hadn't they been forwarded?

Upon investigation it was found they had not. I declined having more taken, at

which time they decided to concentrate on the oral exam. Gums were probed and

found 'highly inflammed, highly sensitive, infected, bleeding'. All teeth were

found to be 'tight'. Long story short, they basically wanted to do the same as

what shared; a lot of cutting and planing. It was explained that because

of bone loss and consequential loose gum pockets, that the tops of my gums near

each tooth would be removed in order to reduce the depth of the pocket around

the tooth, so it would be easier to maintain a clean pocket and reduce the

possibility of further root plaque. Then of course the planing of the roots.

I was then given over to someone else and taught how to keep my teeth clean,

then to someone else who talked to me about money. $2,300 if all went according

to plan, which included Valium and Nitris Oxide. They said they would try to

get it all done in one session, but it would depend on how my body handled the

trauma.

One thing I was happily surprised about and really appreciated, the dr

understood fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. He really understood how the

CFS/FM body reacts to trauma, traveling, etc. He anticipated my not being able

to hold a mirror up in front of myself while he talked and pointed to

observations in my mouth, and ceased probing when he observed the beginning of

shakes. He was very pleasant, but talked 90 mph which was a bit challenging for

me.

Then, at the end, he questioned me; 'SOWHATAREWEGOINGTODOFORYOU?', as if

testing

my cognitive abilities. Took me about 10 seconds to figure out what he said,

why, and give him a satisfactory answer. ha.

Anyway, I've decided to decline their treatment. I just can't seem to work up

any enthusiasm for

being drugged, gassed, sliced, planed, and stitched. At least not till I've

given the Colloidal Silver

a good effort. I'm hoping once I reach a turn around point in my health that

perhaps the 'bone loss'

might be reversed and my mouth become more normal again. Am I dreaming?

, what do you say, shall we do the CS at the same time, keep in touch and

compare notes?

In any case, I will report to list my progress.

I'm so grateful that a reasonable alternative was suggested to me here.

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Hi all,

Reporting on my trip to the periodontist. They first wanted to do a set of x

rays. I mentioned

that I'd had a set taken at home in January and hadn't they been forwarded?

Upon investigation it was found they had not. I declined having more taken, at

which time they decided to concentrate on the oral exam. Gums were probed and

found 'highly inflammed, highly sensitive, infected, bleeding'. All teeth were

found to be 'tight'. Long story short, they basically wanted to do the same as

what shared; a lot of cutting and planing. It was explained that because

of bone loss and consequential loose gum pockets, that the tops of my gums near

each tooth would be removed in order to reduce the depth of the pocket around

the tooth, so it would be easier to maintain a clean pocket and reduce the

possibility of further root plaque. Then of course the planing of the roots.

I was then given over to someone else and taught how to keep my teeth clean,

then to someone else who talked to me about money. $2,300 if all went according

to plan, which included Valium and Nitris Oxide. They said they would try to

get it all done in one session, but it would depend on how my body handled the

trauma.

One thing I was happily surprised about and really appreciated, the dr

understood fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. He really understood how the

CFS/FM body reacts to trauma, traveling, etc. He anticipated my not being able

to hold a mirror up in front of myself while he talked and pointed to

observations in my mouth, and ceased probing when he observed the beginning of

shakes. He was very pleasant, but talked 90 mph which was a bit challenging for

me.

Then, at the end, he questioned me; 'SOWHATAREWEGOINGTODOFORYOU?', as if testing

my cognitive abilities. Took me about 10 seconds to figure out what he said,

why, and give him a satisfactory answer. ha.

Anyway, I've decided to decline their treatment. I just can't seem to work up

any enthusiasm for

being drugged, gassed, sliced, planed, and stitched. At least not till I've

given the Colloidal Silver

a good effort. I'm hoping once I reach a turn around point in my health that

perhaps the 'bone loss'

might be reversed and my mouth become more normal again. Am I dreaming?

, what do you say, shall we do the CS at the same time, keep in touch and

compare notes?

In any case, I will report to list my progress.

I'm so grateful that a reasonable alternative was suggested to me here.

Deanna

*********************

Fw: Dental ?

Deanna, ..... if it were me I would cancel the appointment, go to the nearest

HFS and buy a

couple of bottles of Colloidal Silver. Swish about a tbs full in your mouth for

a couple of minutes

2-3 times a day, especially at night....Continue swishing (then swallowing) for

several months.

You will not only get rid of the plaque but will have the greatest protection

against colds, flu and 650 other ailments. If you use CS at least once a day,

after the plaque is cleared up you will

never need to have dental cleaning done again. .........I have been using CS for

almost 3 years

and have not had any plaque in a long time, nor have even been to a dentist. I

also cured byself

of 4 abscessed root canals with it. This is your chance to take responsibility

for your own health, and save a bucket of money at the same time. Good luck,

...

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At present I am doing between 6,000 & 10,000 of vit C daily, depending on how

much I have on hand. It's the only thing that reduces the gum bleeding. I

will add the E at my earliest opportunity,

and I'm wondering if 400 will be enough. It seems if anything does help that it

needs to be in huge doses. But, I'll give it a try then work up if need be.

Anyone know if there's a safety level?

Deanna

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Deanna, So glad to hear that you got out of there alive! I was really getting

concerned when we did'nt hear from you. In addition to doing the CS swishing

start a regimen of 1000 vit C and 400 vit E 2 times a day. This really worked

wonders for me long ago when the dentist set me up for gum cutting, before I

knew about CS. 25 years later no gum problems.Let us know when you see some

improvement, ...

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Deanna,

I used 400 E twice a day, but more might not be bad. I don't know, hopefully

someone else does.

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At present I am doing between 6,000 & 10,000 of vit C daily, depending on how

much I have on hand. It's the only thing that reduces the gum bleeding. I

will add the E at my earliest opportunity,

and I'm wondering if 400 will be enough. It seems if anything does help that

it needs to be in huge doses. But, I'll give it a try then work up if need be.

Anyone know if there's a safety level?

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Hi to all as well as Deanna & ,

I bought a bottle of CS and started using it yesterday. Like you, my gums are

in really bad shape. I am willing to give this a chance. I went to the

website that gave me and the testimonials there are just wonderful on

the many things that CS can do for so many different ailments. I will report

my progress to the list as well.

One question though, the CS I bought was in a plastic bottle. told me

it should also be in glass. Will the CS I bought help me, or should I toss

it, and get some in glass bottles? Thank you all so much for taking the time

to reply. You guys are simply wonderful!

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Have you read Dr Barefoot's book, The Calcium Factor. Essential reading I

think, for anyone on this list. I would bet you lack calcium. Have you

done the pH paper saliva test? This is of the utmost importance, as calcium

is the most important mineral in the body and is of course essential for

tooth health.

Greg

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>

>

> Hi all,

> Reporting on my trip to the periodontist. They first wanted to do a set

of x rays. I mentioned

> that I'd had a set taken at home in January and hadn't they been

forwarded? Upon investigation it was found they had not. I declined having

more taken, at which time they decided to concentrate on the oral exam.

Gums were probed and found 'highly inflammed, highly sensitive, infected,

bleeding'. All teeth were found to be 'tight'. Long story short, they

basically wanted to do the same as what shared; a lot of cutting and

planing. It was explained that because of bone loss and consequential loose

gum pockets, that the tops of my gums near each tooth would be removed in

order to reduce the depth of the pocket around the tooth, so it would be

easier to maintain a clean pocket and reduce the possibility of further root

plaque. Then of course the planing of the roots.

>

> I was then given over to someone else and taught how to keep my teeth

clean, then to someone else who talked to me about money. $2,300 if all

went according to plan, which included Valium and Nitris Oxide. They said

they would try to get it all done in one session, but it would depend on how

my body handled the trauma.

>

> One thing I was happily surprised about and really appreciated, the dr

understood fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. He really understood how the

CFS/FM body reacts to trauma, traveling, etc. He anticipated my not being

able to hold a mirror up in front of myself while he talked and pointed to

observations in my mouth, and ceased probing when he observed the beginning

of shakes. He was very pleasant, but talked 90 mph which was a bit

challenging for me.

>

> Then, at the end, he questioned me; 'SOWHATAREWEGOINGTODOFORYOU?', as if

testing

> my cognitive abilities. Took me about 10 seconds to figure out what he

said, why, and give him a satisfactory answer. ha.

>

> Anyway, I've decided to decline their treatment. I just can't seem to

work up any enthusiasm for

> being drugged, gassed, sliced, planed, and stitched. At least not till

I've given the Colloidal Silver

> a good effort. I'm hoping once I reach a turn around point in my health

that perhaps the 'bone loss'

> might be reversed and my mouth become more normal again. Am I dreaming?

>

> , what do you say, shall we do the CS at the same time, keep in

touch and compare notes?

> In any case, I will report to list my progress.

>

> I'm so grateful that a reasonable alternative was suggested to me here.

>

>

>

>

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Hi Deanna,

There are some articles that I have read that have said that up to 1600

I.U. or even more of Vitamin E each day are OK. I was trying Vitamin E at

that level or at 2000 I.U. a day because it helps with hot flashes. I

found that after awhile I had a bad side effect of capillary bleeding

inside the sclera of one of my eyes.

Vitamin E does act as an anti-coagulant at higher levels. It seems that

there are many opinions as to the upper level safety limit. One article

that I read said no more than 1100 I.U. Another article said that an upper

level was at 3000 I.U.

http://www.enerex.bc.ca/Nutrition%20Digest/IIA-3%20Vitamin%20E.htm

http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=%22anticoagulant%22+%2b%22Vitamin+E%22 & hc=0 & \

hs=0

You might to do some reading as to the upper safety levels just due to the

simple fact that you are trying to stop bleeding from occurring. Vitamin

C is very helpful with that.

With the Vitamin C, have you tried the " bowel tolerance " testing suggested

by Linus ing & Dr. Cathcart to see what your upper level limits are on

that vitamin? You might need more for awhile than what you are currently

taking.

Also - what about Vitamin K?

Carol

At 12:36 PM 06/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>At present I am doing between 6,000 & 10,000 of vit C daily, depending on

>how much I have on hand. It's the only thing that reduces the gum

>bleeding. I will add the E at my earliest opportunity,

>and I'm wondering if 400 will be enough. It seems if anything does help

>that it needs to be in huge doses. But, I'll give it a try then work up

>if need be. Anyone know if there's a safety level?

>Deanna

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Deanna,

There are 2 supplements that are specific to the health and restoration

of diseased gums. One is bioflavenoids, which actually do more to

tighten gum tissue, and stop " pink toothbrush " than Vit C itself.

Isolated ascorbic acid is not found in nature, it is always accompanied

by bioflavenoids, i.e., the inner pith of grapefruit, oranges, etc.

The most important bioflav in this case is rutin. You will see a world

of difference, faster, if you include this/these with your C.

The other supplement, getting noticeably great reviews for gum health,

is CoQ-10, ingested and topically applied.

However, the most important action to take is killing the bacteria that

lodges around the gums, so the CSilver is vital, as is flossing after

every meal, and using a dental irrigator with an anti-bacterial instead

of plain water. CSilver would probably shine here also, thoughH2O2 is

also a good bet.

Best of luck,

Sharon

> At present I am doing between 6,000 & 10,000 of vit C daily, depending

on how much I have on hand. It's the only thing that reduces the gum

bleeding. I will add the E at my earliest opportunity,

> and I'm wondering if 400 will be enough. It seems if anything does

help that it needs to be in huge doses. But, I'll give it a try then

work up if need be. Anyone know if there's a safety level?

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I have heard that you can store CS in plastic bottles similar to hydrogen

peroxide bottles. It is a plastic that is different than the typical plastic.

So if anyone who is making CS has empty H202 bottles I think that is OK to use

for it. I have always used glass, just to be on the safe side, but don't worry

about the bottle you have, I think you can use it OK. Apparently it is the type

of plastic that does not leach plastic into the CS or they would not be able to

sell it.

I'm glad you are starting on it and feel sure you will see a difference in a

week or less. YOu might get faster results not only from swishing CS but dip

your toothbrush in it to scrub gum areas twice a day.

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Re: Dental ?

Hi to all as well as Deanna & ,

I bought a bottle of CS and started using it yesterday. Like you, my gums are

in really bad shape. I am willing to give this a chance. I went to the

website that gave me and the testimonials there are just wonderful on

the many things that CS can do for so many different ailments. I will report

my progress to the list as well.

One question though, the CS I bought was in a plastic bottle. told me

it should also be in glass. Will the CS I bought help me, or should I toss

it, and get some in glass bottles? Thank you all so much for taking the time

to reply. You guys are simply wonderful!

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Such high Vit C probably needs MSM to do most good otherwise much of it

would be wasted I think. Somebody else may be able to give you more

accurate info. Best, Ken\

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> Deanna, So glad to hear that you got out of there alive! I was really

getting concerned when we did'nt hear from you. In addition to doing the CS

swishing start a regimen of 1000 vit C and 400 vit E 2 times a day. This

really worked wonders for me long ago when the dentist set me up for gum

cutting, before I knew about CS. 25 years later no gum problems.Let us know

when you see some improvement, ...

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Hi Greg, No, haven't read the book yet, but you're right, I lack calcium. In

the past I have

gotten shorter, broken bones, etc. But was unable to take a helpful dose of

calcium without

complications. Added MSM a few months ago and can now take a full capsule of Dr

Barefoot's

Coral Calcium if I take it with 3 Magnesium Orotates. I am hopeful I'll be able

to work up to

more soon. I have not done the PH test before, but recently got a free strip of

paper from dr clark with an order and as I sit here typing an answer to your

question I put a piece in my mouth according to instructions. Comparing it to

the color chart on the card it looks to be between 5.5

and 6.0 . I have no idea what that means. Deanna

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Re: Dental ?

It was explained that because of bone loss and consequential loose gum

pockets, that the tops of my gums near each tooth would be removed in order to

reduce the depth of the pocket around the tooth, so it would be easier to

maintain a clean pocket and reduce the possibility of further root

plaque......I'm hoping once I reach a turn around point in my health that

perhaps the 'bone loss'

might be reversed and my mouth become more normal again. Am I dreaming?

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Dear Deanna,

What complications have you noticed with taking calcium?

Carol

At 10:23 AM 06/24/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Greg, No, haven't read the book yet, but you're right, I lack

>calcium. In the past I have

>gotten shorter, broken bones, etc. But was unable to take a helpful dose

>of calcium without

>complications. Added MSM a few months ago and can now take a full capsule

>of Dr Barefoot's

>Coral Calcium if I take it with 3 Magnesium Orotates. I am hopeful I'll

>be able to work up to

>more soon. I have not done the PH test before, but recently got a free

>strip of paper from dr clark with an order and as I sit here typing an

>answer to your question I put a piece in my mouth according to

>instructions. Comparing it to the color chart on the card it looks to be

>between 5.5

>and 6.0 . I have no idea what that means. Deanna

>***********

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>Have you read Dr Barefoot's book, The Calcium Factor. Essential reading I

>think, for anyone on this list. I would bet you lack calcium. Have you

>done the pH paper saliva test? This is of the utmost importance, as

>calcium is the most important mineral in the body and is of course

>essential for tooth health. Greg

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Dear Deanna, What complications have you noticed with taking calcium? Carol

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Carol, I was unable to assimilate calcium. After taking it the fibro pain

level shot up and the

heart rate would stay around 220, I'd be breathless, weak, and have bad

shudders. I had to

stay at 1/3 cap of Barefoot's Coral Calcium a day. After adding the MSM I

found I could

tolerate a whole capsule if it was accompanied by 3 Mag Os. Without the Os

though, the

same thing happens. But I'm very encouraged right now, as I have very little in

the way of

shudders, the least I've had in years. Deanna

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