Codex

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/05 7:40:26 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> this is like big brother

Not " like, " Roseanne, it IS Big Brother, or better yet, Big Pharma Brother.

They are behind this. The supplement industry is so big and it can help

people stay healthy, and they don't want that!! I've been writing letters on

this

since 1993 -- I doubt that we can stop it.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/05 7:40:26 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> this is like big brother

Not " like, " Roseanne, it IS Big Brother, or better yet, Big Pharma Brother.

They are behind this. The supplement industry is so big and it can help

people stay healthy, and they don't want that!! I've been writing letters on

this

since 1993 -- I doubt that we can stop it.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

I agree 100% with Caitlin. One has to take control of one's health! How many

times have we heard doctors say, " well, i'll give you this medicine and let us

see if in the next two weeks it does not improve, then i'll give you another

medicine " . This is almost their standard sentence when your visit is about to

end.

Meanwhile, don't place on your bet on the Un, and any of its agency, the FAO. It

has been purported that they have a secret agenda of trying to get everyone

under their control; if you give them an inch, they will swallow you...

tsk...tsk...tsk...

-- Original Message -----

From: Wilcox, Shari

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:16 AM

Subject: RE: Re:Codex

The go out and do something about it! Sheesh!

Thought this was a coconut oil forum anyway? LOL

_____

From: Caitlin [mailto:secretariat88@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:14 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re:Codex

" Even if you need a script to get your vitamins, insurance and

medicaid will cover them! "

Yeah, what a great idea! Not. The vitamins they provide will be

synthetic and chemical, not plant based--which is all I buy. The

others will do your body absolutely no good because it will not be in

an assimilatable form and will just pass right through your body. A

lot of the vitamins at the health food store are the same way, but at

least now I have the option of being a responsible consumer and

actually buying plant-based non-adulterated supplements--the FDA will

take away that privilege with CODEX. And just because it is worldwide

doesn't mean we need to just lie down and let it happen to us! If it

happens, it'll happen against my utmost protest and I will have

contacted every individual available in the US about it---it will not

happen because I was a passive, ignorant non caring consumer.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/8/2005 12:56:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Arnoldgore

writes:

The best information in the US comes from Hammell of International

Advocates for Health Freedom _www.iahf.com_ (http://www.iahf.com/) .

[Guest guest]

Getting a prescription to cover these supplements requires you to get the

approval of a [pharmaceutical] M.D. first. Personally, I do not have confidence

in the system of pharmaceutical medicine and I don't want to have to turn to

them, or be hampered by their ignorance and poor judgment, for how I build my

health. Freedom from doctors is one of my most important freedoms.

Nina

Re: permission to post - Please Read

I've seen an article on this in a major US daily via email to me from

one of

the daily news i get.

[Guest guest]

Wow - this is getting blown outta proportion. 'Nuff said.......

Enjoy your coconuts!

_____

From: Nina Moliver [mailto:ninalynn@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:32 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Codex

Getting a prescription to cover these supplements requires you to get

the approval of a [pharmaceutical] M.D. first. Personally, I do not

have confidence in the system of pharmaceutical medicine and I don't

want to have to turn to them, or be hampered by their ignorance and poor

judgment, for how I build my health. Freedom from doctors is one of my

most important freedoms.

Nina

Re: permission to post - Please Read

I've seen an article on this in a major US daily via email to me from

one of

the daily news i get.

[Guest guest]

" Even if you need a script to get your vitamins, insurance and medicaid

will cover them! "

Yeah, what a great idea! Not. The vitamins they provide will be synthetic

and chemical, not plant based--which is all I buy. The others will do your

body absolutely no good because it will not be in an assimilatable form and

will just pass right through your body. A lot of the vitamins at the health

food store are the same way, but at least now I have the option of being a

responsible consumer and actually buying plant-based non-adulterated

supplements--the FDA will take away that privilege with CODEX. And just

because it is worldwide doesn't mean we need to just lie down and let it

happen to us! If it happens, it'll happen against my utmost protest and I

will have contacted every individual available in the US about it---it will

not happen because I was a passive, ignorant non caring consumer.

[Guest guest]

" Even if you need a script to get your vitamins, insurance and

medicaid will cover them! "

Yeah, what a great idea! Not. The vitamins they provide will be

synthetic and chemical, not plant based--which is all I buy. The

others will do your body absolutely no good because it will not be in

an assimilatable form and will just pass right through your body. A

lot of the vitamins at the health food store are the same way, but at

least now I have the option of being a responsible consumer and

actually buying plant-based non-adulterated supplements--the FDA will

take away that privilege with CODEX. And just because it is worldwide

doesn't mean we need to just lie down and let it happen to us! If it

happens, it'll happen against my utmost protest and I will have

contacted every individual available in the US about it---it will not

happen because I was a passive, ignorant non caring consumer.

[Guest guest]

The go out and do something about it! Sheesh!

Thought this was a coconut oil forum anyway? LOL

_____

From: Caitlin [mailto:secretariat88@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:14 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re:Codex

" Even if you need a script to get your vitamins, insurance and

medicaid will cover them! "

Yeah, what a great idea! Not. The vitamins they provide will be

synthetic and chemical, not plant based--which is all I buy. The

others will do your body absolutely no good because it will not be in

an assimilatable form and will just pass right through your body. A

lot of the vitamins at the health food store are the same way, but at

least now I have the option of being a responsible consumer and

actually buying plant-based non-adulterated supplements--the FDA will

take away that privilege with CODEX. And just because it is worldwide

doesn't mean we need to just lie down and let it happen to us! If it

happens, it'll happen against my utmost protest and I will have

contacted every individual available in the US about it---it will not

happen because I was a passive, ignorant non caring consumer.

[Guest guest]

" Thought this was a coconut oil forum anyway? LOL "

It is a coconut oil OPEN forum, open to all health topics. If you don't like it,

you are

welcome to leave anytime...

[Guest guest]

No, it's not. VCO is a small piece of the larger picture of gaining control

of one's own health and winning our freedom from the tyranny of

pharmaceutical medicine. That is what all of this is all about. If the

solutions you propose force people into the arms of the pharmaceutical

giants and their M.D.'s, they aren't solutions at all, in my humble

opinion - rather, they worsen the core problem that we are here trying to

solve.

Nina

Re: Codex

Getting a prescription to cover these supplements requires you to get

the approval of a [pharmaceutical] M.D. first. Personally, I do not

have confidence in the system of pharmaceutical medicine and I don't

want to have to turn to them, or be hampered by their ignorance and poor

judgment, for how I build my health. Freedom from doctors is one of my

most important freedoms.

Nina

[Guest guest]

Codex

>

> http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cdr.asp?url_file=/docrep/w9114e/W9114e

> 09.htm

>

> It is world wide. Let's not take this outta context. Read the whole

> website. Even if you need a script to get your vitamins, insurance and

> medicaid will cover them!

>

1. Not everyone has health insurance, or can afford doctors. I am one of

those people.

2. I take large amounts of vitamins. With my large vitamin intake, I am

reversing diabetic neuropathy, and I need *no* drugs to control my diabetes

blood sugar levels. Most doctors would not prescribe that amount of

vitamins. Docs want people to take prescription drugs instead. I had a

doctor for nearly a year before I fired her. She thought I was nuts for

taking so many vitamins.

3. The cost of vitamins goes up by a huge amount when the supply is

regulated. So even if I could get a doc to write me a prescription, my cost

for the vitamins would go up about 10 fold. Right now I spend nearly

$10/day on vitamins & supplements. I sure could not afford $100/day. I

am a poor man. See the quote below from a Canadian friend who brought some

vitamin C along with him on a trip to Germany to visit friends.

Alobar

> Bought several lots of chewable Vitamin C to take to Germany. Not

> that chewable C is not to be found in Germany but that it is more than

> ten times as much as here. Quick comparison:

>

> Bottle of 500 x 500mg of chewable C in Halifax -- Cdn 15.00

> ... 500 x 500 mg of chewable C in Germany -- Cdn 200.00

>

> Of course you won't find a bottle of 500 in Germany. At approx

> Euro 125, few people would buy. Germany sells packs of ten or

> twenty tabs. The pack of ten is about Euro 2.50. The

> surface price is right and people buy. They do not trouble to work

> out the unit price. They would not buy if they saw a surface price

> of Euro 125.00.

>

> The Canadian-German price ratio for E is about

> the same. You see what we can look forward to if the German

> pharma-giants (Hoechst, BASF and Bayer) succeed in having

> the " German Proposal " pushed through / on the Codex Alimentarius

> Committee.

[Guest guest]

Re: Codex

1. Not everyone has health insurance, or can afford doctors. I am one of

those people.

You got that right!!! I don't have health insurance either, nor can I

afford it, though I do have a doctor I really like who doesn't try to keep

his patient's on medications they don't want to take. And, he works with me

on paying my bill because I am a medical transcriptionist, and he is one of

my accounts. So at least I can get my blood work done! Works out nicely.

:-D

2. I take large amounts of vitamins. With my large vitamin intake, I am

reversing diabetic neuropathy, and I need *no* drugs to control my diabetes

blood sugar levels. Most doctors would not prescribe that amount of

vitamins. Docs want people to take prescription drugs instead. I had a

doctor for nearly a year before I fired her. She thought I was nuts for

taking so many vitamins.

I think it is fantastic that you are reversing your neuropathy!!! I'm

diabetic, as well, and one of the things I've done was come off some of my

medications when I cut complex carbohydrates out of my diet, and also keep

my blood sugar in mind when I look at supplements. I understand even

glucosamine helps regulate the blood sugar. Now this coconut oil theory has

me fascinated, and I'm learning all I can about it!

I would be interested to know what you are taking that is reversing diabetic

neuropathy, seeing how the medical profession wants us to believe that it is

irreversible! (Perfect example!)

3. The cost of vitamins goes up by a huge amount when the supply is

regulated. So even if I could get a doc to write me a prescription, my cost

for the vitamins would go up about 10 fold. Right now I spend nearly

$10/day on vitamins & supplements. I sure could not afford $100/day. I

am a poor man. See the quote below from a Canadian friend who brought some

vitamin C along with him on a trip to Germany to visit friends.

Alobar

I do so hope this doesn't happen!!!

Carol

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RE: Codex

> I would be interested to know what you are taking that is reversing

diabetic

> neuropathy, seeing how the medical profession wants us to believe that it

is

> irreversible! (Perfect example!)

It all starts with a good diet. If blood glucose levels are not

kept within range, all else will fail. I eat no carbohydrates other than

those which are present in fruit & veggies. I eat no beans, no rice, no

grain, no flour, no bread, no sugar, no beans on a daily or even a weekly

basis. I gently stimulate my pancreas by using gourdin 4 times a day

along with moderate sized meals. See here: http://www.gourdin.com/

Everyone needs more vitamin C than the so-called health

professionals say one does. Diabetics need even more than that. I take

vitamin C all throughout the day until I start getting loose stool. Most

people need at least 10 grams (10,000 mg) of C per day. I normally take

about 25-30 grams a day. E is important. As is D & A (I use cod liver

oil). Vitamins to avoid are beta carotene & niacin. Both raise blood

glucose levels. Niacinamine is fine and vitamin A is fine, just not niacin

& beta carotene. Good dose of B vitamins every day is needed. B-12 is

an important supplement. I take sub-lingual B-12 (4,000 micrograms) every

day.

Cinnamon helps some with neuropathy. I take about 2 teaspoons of

cinnamon per day. Ginger is also important. I use ginger juice. I mix

ginger juice, cinnamon, MSM, and vitamin C in with some in with fiber powder

and water three times a day.

Alpha Lipoic Acid is very good to improve circulation, especially in

the eyes. While I did not notice any drastic improvements when I started

taking ALA, I kept taking it because I fear going blind from diabetes. Then

I discovered some additional supplements. Acetyl L Carnitine taken in

conjunction with Alpha Lipoic Acid is a marvelous combo. Benfotiamine is a

fat soluble form of thiamine. And MSM works wonders as well. I now have

feeling on my fingers and feet which was totally absent until I started

taking these supplements. Exercise is also very important. One of the

effects of MSM is getting rid of *all* arthritis pain, so it no longer hurts

me to exercise. So I now do a lot more of it. Benfotiamine, ALA plus ALC

clear the mind. My thinking is a lot clearer now. Makes my mind feel

about 2 decades younger.

Here is a post I made on these supplements to the longevity

community at LiveJournal which gives more info on these supplements,

including where I buy them from.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/longevity/18441.html That page gives

links to other posts of mine in my personal blog as well, including the long

list of all the supplements I take.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much, Alobar... I'm assuming " MSM " is magnesium? I do feel

much better when I take a magnesium supplement " NaturalCalm " - it does

supposedly help the arthritis-type pain, and certainly improves my energy

and overall well-being.

I also believe in and have adopted myself the low carb diet, similar to what

you are doing. I found that when I started low-carbing during the summer,

that besides losing 20 pounds almost effortlessly, I felt so much better, my

blood sugar came down, and I cut my pharmaceutical meds in half. I'm 55,

and naturally have found that it is more difficult to lose weight, but I

think this low carb thing, exercise, vitamins, minerals, are all the way to

do it for me!

I'm skimming what you listed here, but will read more closely when I am more

clear headed, and also check out your links. I have to be careful with

vitamin A - in my 20s I had an adverse reaction to what I consider an

overdose of vitamin A in a topical form... 10,000 units I have discovered to

be the toxic amount, so I am very careful of vitamin A. I didn't know that

about vitamin C. And I have been on niacin for cholesterol treatment, and

I've not had a problem with it raising my blood sugar. I've never heard of

" gourdin "

Thanks for taking the time to post this. I will definitely check out your

live journal. Congratulations on your progress!!

Carol

Re: RE: Codex

RE: Codex

> I would be interested to know what you are taking that is reversing

diabetic

> neuropathy, seeing how the medical profession wants us to believe that it

is

> irreversible! (Perfect example!)

It all starts with a good diet. If blood glucose levels are not

kept within range, all else will fail. I eat no carbohydrates other than

those which are present in fruit & veggies. I eat no beans, no rice, no

grain, no flour, no bread, no sugar, no beans on a daily or even a weekly

basis. I gently stimulate my pancreas by using gourdin 4 times a day

along with moderate sized meals. See here: HYPERLINK

" http://www.gourdin.com/ " http://www.gourdin.com/

Everyone needs more vitamin C than the so-called health

professionals say one does. Diabetics need even more than that. I take

vitamin C all throughout the day until I start getting loose stool. Most

people need at least 10 grams (10,000 mg) of C per day. I normally take

about 25-30 grams a day. E is important. As is D & A (I use cod liver

oil). Vitamins to avoid are beta carotene & niacin. Both raise blood

glucose levels. Niacinamine is fine and vitamin A is fine, just not niacin

& beta carotene. Good dose of B vitamins every day is needed. B-12 is

an important supplement. I take sub-lingual B-12 (4,000 micrograms) every

day.

Cinnamon helps some with neuropathy. I take about 2 teaspoons of

cinnamon per day. Ginger is also important. I use ginger juice. I mix

ginger juice, cinnamon, MSM, and vitamin C in with some in with fiber powder

and water three times a day.

Alpha Lipoic Acid is very good to improve circulation, especially in

the eyes. While I did not notice any drastic improvements when I started

taking ALA, I kept taking it because I fear going blind from diabetes. Then

I discovered some additional supplements. Acetyl L Carnitine taken in

conjunction with Alpha Lipoic Acid is a marvelous combo. Benfotiamine is a

fat soluble form of thiamine. And MSM works wonders as well. I now have

feeling on my fingers and feet which was totally absent until I started

taking these supplements. Exercise is also very important. One of the

effects of MSM is getting rid of *all* arthritis pain, so it no longer hurts

me to exercise. So I now do a lot more of it. Benfotiamine, ALA plus ALC

clear the mind. My thinking is a lot clearer now. Makes my mind feel

about 2 decades younger.

Here is a post I made on these supplements to the longevity

community at LiveJournal which gives more info on these supplements,

including where I buy them from.

HYPERLINK

" http://www.livejournal.com/community/longevity/18441.html " http://www.livejo

urnal.com/community/longevity/18441.html That page gives

links to other posts of mine in my personal blog as well, including the long

list of all the supplements I take.

Alobar

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RE: RE: Codex

>

>

> Thanks very much, Alobar... I'm assuming " MSM " is magnesium? I do feel

> much better when I take a magnesium supplement " NaturalCalm " - it does

> supposedly help the arthritis-type pain, and certainly improves my energy

> and overall well-being.

MSM is a sulfur compound. Magnesium is good stuff, but MSM is

amazing stuff. It detoxifies, it helps joints. Lots of info on MSM here:

http://www.bulkmsm.com/research/msm/msm0.htm

>

> I also believe in and have adopted myself the low carb diet, similar to

what

> you are doing. I found that when I started low-carbing during the summer,

> that besides losing 20 pounds almost effortlessly, I felt so much better,

my

> blood sugar came down, and I cut my pharmaceutical meds in half. I'm 55,

> and naturally have found that it is more difficult to lose weight, but I

> think this low carb thing, exercise, vitamins, minerals, are all the way

to

> do it for me!

>

> I'm skimming what you listed here, but will read more closely when I am

more

> clear headed, and also check out your links. I have to be careful with

> vitamin A - in my 20s I had an adverse reaction to what I consider an

> overdose of vitamin A in a topical form... 10,000 units I have discovered

to

> be the toxic amount, so I am very careful of vitamin A. I didn't know

that

> about vitamin C. And I have been on niacin for cholesterol treatment, and

> I've not had a problem with it raising my blood sugar. I've never heard

of

> " gourdin "

I strongly suggest looking into niacinamide as a replacement for

niacin. I don't know much about cholesterol, but if niacinamide will work

for cholesterol, you may be able to get rid of your diabetes meds altogether

if you are careful about diet. Gourdin is a substance from India. Taken

sublingually. An extract of bitter mellon which stimulates the pancreas

without beating it up the way western meds do. Gourdin is the main

substance I use to rejuvinate my pancreas & control my blood sugar levels.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

I am still on the CODEX issue because it is a foundation that our health and

that of our children and grandchildren depends upon.

There is an excellent article by an expert on the CODEX issue at

http://www.thelawloft.com/Freedom/THREE_INTERLOCKING_EVENTS.mht

You can go here and view a video of poor quality or listen to the audio which is

better IMHO. http://www.glycommunity.com/iahf/

[Guest guest]

I think people are taking this way to lightly. If there was an

organization that had a chance to pass a law that would stop our

nutrients, it's this one. I say take to lightly. I'm not going down

to protest or anything. It's not going to do any good anyway. Just

like they passed the law that puts a cap on how much you can sue

for, they will pass this one as well. There is way to much being

paid out that will ensure the end to products that acutally *help*

people. My hope is in Jehovah's system. It's not just laws like this

that need correcting, it's our entire system of things. People and

creation both are suffering together. We need God now!

They just announced that a high ranking official in Beriut was

killed. This in an already unstable region. Wars and rumors of wars.

You folks better take up your torture stake and help preach the good

news. It was Jesus' focus and it should be ours as well.

Connie (One of Jehovah's Witnesses) Free internet Bible studies

available.

[Guest guest]

I think people are taking this way to lightly. If there was an

organization that had a chance to pass a law that would stop our

nutrients, it's this one. I say take to lightly. I'm not going down

to protest or anything. It's not going to do any good anyway. Just

like they passed the law that puts a cap on how much you can sue

for, they will pass this one as well. There is way to much being

paid out that will ensure the end to products that acutally *help*

people. My hope is in Jehovah's system. It's not just laws like this

that need correcting, it's our entire system of things. People and

creation both are suffering together. We need God now!

They just announced that a high ranking official in Beriut was

killed. This in an already unstable region. Wars and rumors of wars.

You folks better take up your torture stake and help preach the good

news. It was Jesus' focus and it should be ours as well.

Connie (One of Jehovah's Witnesses) Free internet Bible studies

available.

[Guest guest]

A friend of mine, a retired lawyer, wrote the following. He sent the first two

paragraphs to his representative and senators and included the following

paragraphs for Letters To The Editor in several Texas newspapers. Anyone

wishing to use this for their own Letters To The Editor or appeals to their

representatives are free to do so:

________________________

In Re: S722 and HR3377 and any similar legislation designed to limit access to

vitamins and minerals.

I do not want, or need, protection from any vitamin, mineral, food, or food

supplement. I would, however, always welcome honest, unbiased, information on

the cautions and benefits of consumption of any of the above.

I do want to maintain the freedom that I have enjoyed all of my life to choose

my own food and food supplements.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

----------------------------------------------

To be above suspicion, the source of any nutritional information must be

absolutely transparent. This does not mean that the author could not have ties

to alternative medicine, large pharmaceutical companies, the AMA, the beef

industry, the fishing industry, organic farming or other. It does mean that

their association in this regard would be very, very, clearly identified.

When our non native American ancestors landed on this contentment they were able

to flourish among myriads of new herbs and foods without the need of a

government protecting them from unwise choices. After all this time, why now, do

we need to be " protected " from ourselves, from our own choices? Who is clamoring

for this protection? Where is the evidence that any harm is being done? People

will still be free to choose alcohol and tobacco which purportedly causes the

death of 400,000 people a year, and each year hundreds of thousand of people are

adversely affected, some even to death, by drugs approved by the Federal Drug

Administration. Common over the counter medications, such as aspirin, cough

syrup and sleeping pills will still be available, after codex and the proposed

federal legislation, while herbal tea, honey and salt will be prohibited from

medicinal use. Who does this benefit? Follow the money.

Mankind has evolved and adapted to the plants and minerals in his environment,

and the extraction and concentration of vitamins is far cry from the

introduction of man made patented substances which mimic the original, often

times with fatal unintended effects. All the spin masters in the world cannot

cover up the obvious fact that someone is wanting to force the public to buy a

product in quantities which it has refused in the market place. If prescription

drugs and their over the counter companions cannot survive against food

additives and alternative medicine in the free market, that's the free

enterprise system at work. That's the American way. If a fair and accurate

comparison were made between the number of deaths annually from prescription

drugs and the number of deaths from all forms of alternative treatment,

including vitamins and minerals, the former would be wholesale slaughter by

comparison. Why ban the affordable, safe remedies for expensive ones that kill

people? Money. Follow the money and you will find the reason.

[Guest guest]

RE:CODEX

Thanks for the CODEX information link.

However, as I understand it, the official CODEX

council meeting on July 11th was NOT at all in the

realm of " possibly good news " .

This is another link from the site worthy of reading:

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/action/

--- Gmail Account <Alobar@...> wrote:

> Here is some possible good news about CODEX.

>

> http://codexblog.healthfreedomusa.org/

> (look for the July 7th entry)

>

>

>

> Alobar

>

>

> RE: Fwd: Vitamins

> to be Banned

> Worldwide...

>

>

> > Well, I'm not but will pipe up anyway.

> >

> > I have wondered about Snopes for quite a bit now

> and I

> > can, without a doubt, now say that snopes is

> > unreliable.

> >

> > I'm listening to a radio program right now about

> the

> > codex issue. The Dr. in Rome *at this moment* is

> Dr.

> > Rema Leebo and her website is

> > www.healthfreedomusa.org.

> >

> > Please check out and sign the citizens petition

> that's

> > on that site. It has *legal* backing according to

> our

> > laws. This isn't one of those sheets of paper

> that

> > you sign and then somebody just throws them out.

> >

> > NO ONE should *ever* rely on only one source.

> >

> > Sorry if I'm coming out hard on this but this is

> the

> > second time this week that I've corrected someone

> on

> > false info from snopes.

> >

> > Snopes has turned out to be the biggest hoax in my

> > opinion.

> >

> > Debbie(Who always tries to FOLLOW THE MONEY!)

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I wonder if they'd go so far as to ban the sale of garden seed. I grow some of

my own veggies but far from enough. and fruit trees? Cherry juice gets rid of

gout.

Jerome Mittelman <jmittelman@...> wrote: The top ten reasons why

organized medicine supports CODEX (the

European Food Supplements Directive) -NewsTarget Insider

1. It eliminates access to key nutrients that prevent disease, thereby

creating a population of diseased, malnourished customers who will

inevitably turn to high-profit prescription drugs.

2. It focuses people on the debate over the safety of nutritional

supplements, distracting them from the debate over the safety of

prescription drugs and over-the-counter drugs.

3. It makes nutritional supplements more expensive, putting their

purchase out of reach of more consumers.

4. With the loss of vitamin sales, many natural health retailers will

be forced out of business, and this is good for organized medicine.

The fewer health shops exist, the less competition there is for

prescription drugs.

5. It establishes a legal precedent of control over not just

supplements, but food. This sets the stage for the future banning of

nutritious foods that prevent disease such as blueberries, broccoli

and garlic.

6. It allows for the arrest and incrimination of key proponents of

natural health (vitamin manufacturers, retailers, and consumers),

removing them from the public stage so that they no longer have a voice.

7. It discredits the entire nutritional supplements industry, creating

fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) in the minds of consumers who aren't

aware of the real motivations behind the law.

8. It erects huge barriers to the introduction of new supplements to

the market by forcing manufacturers to spend millions of dollars on

compliance, even for substances that have been safely consumed by

humans as medicine for thousands of years.

9. It sets a legal foundation from which other nutrients can be

outlawed. Each year, watch for the ratchet to be tightened as a

growing list of supplements get banned.

10. It allows natural health critics to use circular logic to attack

the industry. They'll say, " If these vitamins weren't dangerous, then

they wouldn't have been outlawed, would they? "

[Guest guest]

,

They take control a little at a time -- and in all directions --

unless we pay attention

and take appropriate action ourselves.

Jerry M.

On May 27, 2007, at 11:56 AM, wrote:

> I wonder if they'd go so far as to ban the sale of garden seed. I

> grow some of my own veggies but far from enough. and fruit trees?

> Cherry juice gets rid of gout.

>

> Jerome Mittelman <jmittelman@...> wrote: The top ten reasons

> why organized medicine supports CODEX (the

> European Food Supplements Directive) -NewsTarget Insider

>

> 1. It eliminates access to key nutrients that prevent disease, thereby

>

> creating a population of diseased, malnourished customers who will

>

> inevitably turn to high-profit prescription drugs.

>

> 2. It focuses people on the debate over the safety of nutritional

>

> supplements, distracting them from the debate over the safety of

>

> prescription drugs and over-the-counter drugs.

>

> 3. It makes nutritional supplements more expensive, putting their

>

> purchase out of reach of more consumers.

>

> 4. With the loss of vitamin sales, many natural health retailers will

>

> be forced out of business, and this is good for organized medicine.

>

> The fewer health shops exist, the less competition there is for

>

> prescription drugs.

>

> 5. It establishes a legal precedent of control over not just

>

> supplements, but food. This sets the stage for the future banning of

>

> nutritious foods that prevent disease such as blueberries, broccoli

>

> and garlic.

>

> 6. It allows for the arrest and incrimination of key proponents of

>

> natural health (vitamin manufacturers, retailers, and consumers),

>

> removing them from the public stage so that they no longer have a

> voice.

>

> 7. It discredits the entire nutritional supplements industry, creating

>

> fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) in the minds of consumers who aren't

>

> aware of the real motivations behind the law.

>

> 8. It erects huge barriers to the introduction of new supplements to

>

> the market by forcing manufacturers to spend millions of dollars on

>

> compliance, even for substances that have been safely consumed by

>

> humans as medicine for thousands of years.

>

> 9. It sets a legal foundation from which other nutrients can be

>

> outlawed. Each year, watch for the ratchet to be tightened as a

>

> growing list of supplements get banned.

>

> 10. It allows natural health critics to use circular logic to attack

>

> the industry. They'll say, " If these vitamins weren't dangerous, then

>

> they wouldn't have been outlawed, would they? "

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let's not lose sight of the big picture. Along with big pharma, we

have big food and big chemical manufacturers. They too want to get rid

of small, medium sized, family owned, and non-publicly traded companies.

While the rest of us are watching American Idol reruns, they are busy

planning and analysing our demise.

Leo

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The top ten reasons

> > why organized medicine supports CODEX (the

> > European Food Supplements Directive) -NewsTarget Insider

> >

> > 1. It eliminates access to key nutrients that prevent disease, thereby

> >

> > creating a population of diseased, malnourished customers who will

> >

> > inevitably turn to high-profit prescription drugs.

> >

> > 2. It focuses people on the debate over the safety of nutritional

> >

> > supplements, distracting them from the debate over the safety of

> >

> > prescription drugs and over-the-counter drugs.

> >

> > 3. It makes nutritional supplements more expensive, putting their

> >

> > purchase out of reach of more consumers.

> >

> > 4. With the loss of vitamin sales, many natural health retailers will

> >

> > be forced out of business, and this is good for organized medicine.

> >

> > The fewer health shops exist, the less competition there is for

> >

> > prescription drugs.

> >

> > 5. It establishes a legal precedent of control over not just

> >

> > supplements, but food. This sets the stage for the future banning of

> >

> > nutritious foods that prevent disease such as blueberries, broccoli

> >

> > and garlic.

> >

> > 6. It allows for the arrest and incrimination of key proponents of

> >

> > natural health (vitamin manufacturers, retailers, and consumers),

> >

> > removing them from the public stage so that they no longer have a

> > voice.

> >

> > 7. It discredits the entire nutritional supplements industry, creating

> >

> > fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) in the minds of consumers who aren't

> >

> > aware of the real motivations behind the law.

> >

> > 8. It erects huge barriers to the introduction of new supplements to

> >

> > the market by forcing manufacturers to spend millions of dollars on

> >

> > compliance, even for substances that have been safely consumed by

> >

> > humans as medicine for thousands of years.

> >

> > 9. It sets a legal foundation from which other nutrients can be

> >

> > outlawed. Each year, watch for the ratchet to be tightened as a

> >

> > growing list of supplements get banned.

> >

> > 10. It allows natural health critics to use circular logic to attack

> >

> > the industry. They'll say, " If these vitamins weren't dangerous, then

> >

> > they wouldn't have been outlawed, would they? "

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I remember a few years ago reading about this very thing.. Banning seeds that

were for food like veggies etc. I don't remember where I read it but people

were talking about the government doing just that in the near future. Anyone

else remember that? Also does anyone else remember something about not being

allowed to grow anything that was not native to their area? I live in Australia

and we're still allowed to have chickens on our land but I can see a time coming

when they'll be banned too so we can't have fresh eggs. At the moment I don't

have any chickens as a fox killed them all and we have to fix our chicken house

and yard to make it foxproof. My sister has some lovely new laying hens for me

just waiting for my son to get this done. Many country people in towns still

keep chickens, ducks, turkeys and geese here.

wrote:> I wonder if they'd go so far as to ban the sale of garden seed.

I grow some of my own veggies but far from enough. and fruit trees? Cherry

juice gets rid of gout.