Codex

[Guest guest]

Montsanto is one of biggest culprits. Ugggg. CB

Re: CODEX

Let's not lose sight of the big picture. Along with big pharma, we

have big food and big chemical manufacturers. They too want to get rid

of small, medium sized, family owned, and non-publicly traded companies.

While the rest of us are watching American Idol reruns, they are busy

planning and analysing our demise.

Leo

----------------------------------------------

The top ten reasons

> > why organized medicine supports CODEX (the

> > European Food Supplements Directive) -NewsTarget Insider

> >

> > 1. It eliminates access to key nutrients that prevent disease, thereby

> >

> > creating a population of diseased, malnourished customers who will

> >

> > inevitably turn to high-profit prescription drugs.

> >

> > 2. It focuses people on the debate over the safety of nutritional

> >

> > supplements, distracting them from the debate over the safety of

> >

> > prescription drugs and over-the-counter drugs.

> >

> > 3. It makes nutritional supplements more expensive, putting their

> >

> > purchase out of reach of more consumers.

> >

> > 4. With the loss of vitamin sales, many natural health retailers will

> >

> > be forced out of business, and this is good for organized medicine.

> >

> > The fewer health shops exist, the less competition there is for

> >

> > prescription drugs.

> >

> > 5. It establishes a legal precedent of control over not just

> >

> > supplements, but food. This sets the stage for the future banning of

> >

> > nutritious foods that prevent disease such as blueberries, broccoli

> >

> > and garlic.

> >

> > 6. It allows for the arrest and incrimination of key proponents of

> >

> > natural health (vitamin manufacturers, retailers, and consumers),

> >

> > removing them from the public stage so that they no longer have a

> > voice.

> >

> > 7. It discredits the entire nutritional supplements industry, creating

> >

> > fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) in the minds of consumers who aren't

> >

> > aware of the real motivations behind the law.

> >

> > 8. It erects huge barriers to the introduction of new supplements to

> >

> > the market by forcing manufacturers to spend millions of dollars on

> >

> > compliance, even for substances that have been safely consumed by

> >

> > humans as medicine for thousands of years.

> >

> > 9. It sets a legal foundation from which other nutrients can be

> >

> > outlawed. Each year, watch for the ratchet to be tightened as a

> >

> > growing list of supplements get banned.

> >

> > 10. It allows natural health critics to use circular logic to attack

> >

> > the industry. They'll say, " If these vitamins weren't dangerous, then

> >

> > they wouldn't have been outlawed, would they? "

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Looks like microwave ovens makers are in on it too. The Germans invented it,

the Russians studied it, and the Russians banned them in 1976. Microwaves

destroy 97% of the anti oxidants in broccoli and similar destruction in other

food, and changes the molecular structure of everything. DuPont still denying

that the flourine in Teflon isn't dangerous. arghh. I'm looking into Turbo

Ovens. the Dr. Mercola site is selling them now but you can get a slightly

cheaper model from Target. not sure what advantages one has over the other.

The oven device is built into the lid of a large Pyrex bowl which can sit on

your counter top. Air is super heated and food is cooked with hot air. It is

safe, cooks food in half the time of conventional oven and uses less energy.

Has anybody studied the benefits between the brands? I don't think they are

plotting our demise, but they sure are plotting to get all of our money,

retirement, social security and properties while keeping the

pharma and doctoring trades a lucritive enterprise. They want to get us sick

and make us sicker so we need more and more drugs. and more drugs to treat the

side effects of the other drugs and so on.

CB <cbehrman@...> wrote: Montsanto is one of biggest culprits. Ugggg.

CB

Re: CODEX

Let's not lose sight of the big picture. Along with big pharma, we

have big food and big chemical manufacturers. They too want to get rid

of small, medium sized, family owned, and non-publicly traded companies.

While the rest of us are watching American Idol reruns, they are busy

planning and analysing our demise.

Leo

---------------------------------

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

[Guest guest]

, you said it perfectly. BTW it really is a good idea to get

rid of your Teflon cookware. Three or four weeks ago I was gonna wash a

small Teflon skillet the easy way by putting water and Dawn in it to heat.

Walked away and stopped at the puter

and forgot about skillet. I am on o2 and it was getting really hard to

breathe and I knew I wasn't outta o2. Looked up and room was smoky. Lungs

and sinuses still trying to recover from it. Skillet ruined and Teflon

burned off. Had been intending to throw it away but hadn't So now it's

Stainless and smoke alarm.

Putting up as much veggies in freezer and canning as possible from

garden so as not to have to ingest so many chemicals. May I use your post to

send to others?

You do it so much better than I ever could.

Have a Good Day Today

AND

A Better Day Tomorrow

Cotton--N. Central Texas

Re: Re: CODEX

> Looks like microwave ovens makers are in on it too. The Germans invented

> it, the Russians studied it, and the Russians banned them in 1976.

> Microwaves destroy 97% of the anti oxidants in broccoli and similar

> destruction in other food, and changes the molecular structure of

> everything. DuPont still denying that the flourine in Teflon isn't

> dangerous. arghh. I'm looking into Turbo Ovens. the Dr. Mercola site

> is selling them now but you can get a slightly cheaper model from Target.

> not sure what advantages one has over the other. The oven device is built

> into the lid of a large Pyrex bowl which can sit on your counter top. Air

> is super heated and food is cooked with hot air. It is safe, cooks food

> in half the time of conventional oven and uses less energy. Has anybody

> studied the benefits between the brands? I don't think they are plotting

> our demise, but they sure are plotting to get all of our money,

> retirement, social security and properties while keeping the

> pharma and doctoring trades a lucritive enterprise. They want to get us

> sick and make us sicker so we need more and more drugs. and more drugs to

> treat the side effects of the other drugs and so on.

>

[Guest guest]

Good thing you don't have pet birds they would be dead. I still have some

teflon but watch it like a hawk and dont let it get very hot. once burned though

it's garbage. I cook a lot of salmon in the oven but have been cooking on

aluminum foil, which probably is bad. with the turbo oven i can put salmon on

the rack I guess but since I smother salmon with olive oil and garlic it will be

messy. I also top with turmeric, mustard powder and sprinkle with dill weed.

sometimes sliced almonds too.

yes you can share my post. It's the truth and it needs to be told.

Cotton Hawkins <cotteni@...> wrote:

, you said it perfectly. BTW it really is a good idea to get

rid of your Teflon cookware. Three or four weeks ago I was gonna wash a

small Teflon skillet the easy way by putting water and Dawn in it to heat.

Walked away and stopped at the puter

and forgot about skillet. I am on o2 and it was getting really hard to

breathe and I knew I wasn't outta o2. Looked up and room was smoky. Lungs

and sinuses still trying to recover from it. Skillet ruined and Teflon

burned off. Had been intending to throw it away but hadn't So now it's

Stainless and smoke alarm.

Putting up as much veggies in freezer and canning as possible from

garden so as not to have to ingest so many chemicals. May I use your post to

send to others?

You do it so much better than I ever could.

Have a Good Day Today

AND

A Better Day Tomorrow

Cotton--N. Central Texas

Re: Re: CODEX

> Looks like microwave ovens makers are in on it too. The Germans invented

> it, the Russians studied it, and the Russians banned them in 1976.

> Microwaves destroy 97% of the anti oxidants in broccoli and similar

> destruction in other food, and changes the molecular structure of

> everything. DuPont still denying that the flourine in Teflon isn't

> dangerous. arghh. I'm looking into Turbo Ovens. the Dr. Mercola site

> is selling them now but you can get a slightly cheaper model from Target.

> not sure what advantages one has over the other. The oven device is built

> into the lid of a large Pyrex bowl which can sit on your counter top. Air

> is super heated and food is cooked with hot air. It is safe, cooks food

> in half the time of conventional oven and uses less energy. Has anybody

> studied the benefits between the brands? I don't think they are plotting

> our demise, but they sure are plotting to get all of our money,

> retirement, social security and properties while keeping the

> pharma and doctoring trades a lucritive enterprise. They want to get us

> sick and make us sicker so we need more and more drugs. and more drugs to

> treat the side effects of the other drugs and so on.

>

[Guest guest]

Great i can just see it now, people being pulled over driving down the road and

arrested for having certain kinds of fruit in there car or a bottle of vitamin

C, LOL.

" and how does the defendant plead to the charges?,Guilty your Honour!, I here do

by sentence you to Life imprisonment without parol for having blueberries in

your car, and you will be restrained and given prescription drugs daily 100

different kinds. moohwa hwa hwa hwa.

anyone seen dr.evil. LOL

Dr@...: leoelfie@...: Sun, 27 May 2007

20:30:25 +0000Subject: Re: CODEX

Let's not lose sight of the big picture. Along with big pharma, wehave big food

and big chemical manufacturers. They too want to get ridof small, medium sized,

family owned, and non-publicly traded companies.While the rest of us are

watching American Idol reruns, they are busyplanning and analysing our

demise.Leo---------------------------------------------- The top ten reasons > > why organized medicine supports

CODEX (the> > European Food Supplements Directive) -NewsTarget Insider> >> > 1.

It eliminates access to key nutrients that prevent disease, thereby> >> >

creating a population of diseased, malnourished customers who will> >> >

inevitably turn to high-profit prescription drugs.> >> > 2. It focuses people on

the debate over the safety of nutritional> >> > supplements, distracting them

from the debate over the safety of> >> > prescription drugs and over-the-counter

drugs.> >> > 3. It makes nutritional supplements more expensive, putting their>

>> > purchase out of reach of more consumers.> >> > 4. With the loss of vitamin

sales, many natural health retailers will> >> > be forced out of business, and

this is good for organized medicine.> >> > The fewer health shops exist, the

less competition there is for> >> > prescription drugs.> >> > 5. It establishes

a legal precedent of control over not just> >> > supplements, but food. This

sets the stage for the future banning of> >> > nutritious foods that prevent

disease such as blueberries, broccoli> >> > and garlic.> >> > 6. It allows for

the arrest and incrimination of key proponents of> >> > natural health (vitamin

manufacturers, retailers, and consumers),> >> > removing them from the public

stage so that they no longer have a > > voice.> >> > 7. It discredits the entire

nutritional supplements industry, creating> >> > fear, uncertainty and doubt

(FUD) in the minds of consumers who aren't> >> > aware of the real motivations

behind the law.> >> > 8. It erects huge barriers to the introduction of new

supplements to> >> > the market by forcing manufacturers to spend millions of

dollars on> >> > compliance, even for substances that have been safely consumed

by> >> > humans as medicine for thousands of years.> >> > 9. It sets a legal

foundation from which other nutrients can be> >> > outlawed. Each year, watch

for the ratchet to be tightened as a> >> > growing list of supplements get

banned.> >> > 10. It allows natural health critics to use circular logic to

attack> >> > the industry. They'll say, " If these vitamins weren't dangerous,

then> >> > they wouldn't have been outlawed, would they? " > >> > [Non-text

portions of this message have been removed]> >> >

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to let everyone know i have been down this road with teflon and it

has come to my attention that you should absolutely positively throw away your

teflon, get rid of it , don't take a chance, Cook only with stainless steel, if

it isn't stainless steel throw it away.

all the best

Dr@...: xander95608@...: Sun, 27 May 2007

16:12:28 -0700Subject: Re: Re: CODEX

Good thing you don't have pet birds they would be dead. I still have some teflon

but watch it like a hawk and dont let it get very hot. once burned though it's

garbage. I cook a lot of salmon in the oven but have been cooking on aluminum

foil, which probably is bad. with the turbo oven i can put salmon on the rack I

guess but since I smother salmon with olive oil and garlic it will be messy. I

also top with turmeric, mustard powder and sprinkle with dill weed. sometimes

sliced almonds too. yes you can share my post. It's the truth and it needs to be

told. Cotton Hawkins <cotteni@...> wrote:, you said it

perfectly. BTW it really is a good idea to get rid of your Teflon cookware.

Three or four weeks ago I was gonna wash a small Teflon skillet the easy way by

putting water and Dawn in it to heat. Walked away and stopped at the puterand

forgot about skillet. I am on o2 and it was getting really hard to breathe and I

knew I wasn't outta o2. Looked up and room was smoky. Lungs and sinuses still

trying to recover from it. Skillet ruined and Teflon burned off. Had been

intending to throw it away but hadn't So now it's Stainless and smoke

alarm.Putting up as much veggies in freezer and canning as possible from garden

so as not to have to ingest so many chemicals. May I use your post to send to

others?You do it so much better than I ever could.Have a Good Day TodayANDA

Better Day TomorrowCotton--N. Central Texas Re: Re: CODEX> Looks like microwave ovens makers

are in on it too. The Germans invented > it, the Russians studied it, and the

Russians banned them in 1976. > Microwaves destroy 97% of the anti oxidants in

broccoli and similar > destruction in other food, and changes the molecular

structure of > everything. DuPont still denying that the flourine in Teflon

isn't > dangerous. arghh. I'm looking into Turbo Ovens. the Dr. Mercola site >

is selling them now but you can get a slightly cheaper model from Target. > not

sure what advantages one has over the other. The oven device is built > into the

lid of a large Pyrex bowl which can sit on your counter top. Air > is super

heated and food is cooked with hot air. It is safe, cooks food > in half the

time of conventional oven and uses less energy. Has anybody > studied the

benefits between the brands? I don't think they are plotting > our demise, but

they sure are plotting to get all of our money, > retirement, social security

and properties while keeping the> pharma and doctoring trades a lucritive

enterprise. They want to get us > sick and make us sicker so we need more and

more drugs. and more drugs to > treat the side effects of the other drugs and so

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between the pharma gods, the god complex doctors, and the attorneys and corrupt

judges, they will rob everybody first of their money, retirements, investiments,

homes, through the legal system then send them home broke so they can get on

Medicaid and get drugs paid for by the government to treat their depression etc.

then they die from medications. They will confiscate the blueberries, fresh

fruits and veggies and eat them for themselves, just like the cops do here that

bust kids for possessing alcohol. they take it from them, give them a warning,

then have a party with the confiscated loot.

Mike w-h <mdwh03@...> wrote: Great i can just see it now, people being

pulled over driving down the road and arrested for having certain kinds of fruit

in there car or a bottle of vitamin C, LOL.

" and how does the defendant plead to the charges?,Guilty your Honour!, I here do

by sentence you to Life imprisonment without parol for having blueberries in

your car, and you will be restrained and given prescription drugs daily 100

different kinds. moohwa hwa hwa hwa.

anyone seen dr.evil. LOL

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Bird flu panic is one way they will try to get folks to get rid of their poulty.

The massive media campaign hasn't accomplished that. Sooner or later though,

they will ban citizens from having chickens on their farms or backyard coops

unless they are goverment run.

jenny <jemma63@...> wrote: I remember a few years ago reading about

this very thing.. Banning seeds that were for food like veggies etc. I don't

remember where I read it but people were talking about the government doing just

that in the near future. Anyone else remember that? Also does anyone else

remember something about not being allowed to grow anything that was not native

to their area? I live in Australia and we're still allowed to have chickens on

our land but I can see a time coming when they'll be banned too so we can't have

fresh eggs.

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[Guest guest]

I have an oven of that sort, it is called a convection oven, using

cirulating hot air, and cooks in a much shorter time, nothing

harmful there...

-- In Dr , <xander95608@...> wrote:

>

> Looks like microwave ovens makers are in on it too. The Germans

invented it, the Russians studied it, and the Russians banned them

in 1976. Microwaves destroy 97% of the anti oxidants in broccoli

and similar destruction in other food, and changes the molecular

structure of everything. DuPont still denying that the flourine in

Teflon isn't dangerous. arghh. I'm looking into Turbo Ovens. the

Dr. Mercola site is selling them now but you can get a slightly

cheaper model from Target. not sure what advantages one has over

the other. The oven device is built into the lid of a large Pyrex

bowl which can sit on your counter top. Air is super heated and

food is cooked with hot air. It is safe, cooks food in half the

time of conventional oven and uses less energy. Has anybody studied

the benefits between the brands? I don't think they are plotting

our demise, but they sure are plotting to get all of our money,

retirement, social security and properties while keeping the

> pharma and doctoring trades a lucritive enterprise. They want to

get us sick and make us sicker so we need more and more drugs. and

more drugs to treat the side effects of the other drugs and so on.

>

> CB <cbehrman@...> wrote: Montsanto is one of biggest culprits.

Ugggg. CB

>

> Re: CODEX

>

>

> Let's not lose sight of the big picture. Along with big pharma, we

> have big food and big chemical manufacturers. They too want to get

rid

> of small, medium sized, family owned, and non-publicly traded

companies.

>

> While the rest of us are watching American Idol reruns, they are

busy

> planning and analysing our demise.

> Leo

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Never leave the kitchen when a burner is on!

-- In Dr , " Cotton Hawkins " <cotteni@...> wrote:

>

> , you said it perfectly. BTW it really is a good

idea to get

> rid of your Teflon cookware. Three or four weeks ago I was gonna

wash a

> small Teflon skillet the easy way by putting water and Dawn in it

to heat.

> Walked away and stopped at the puter

> and forgot about skillet. I am on o2 and it was getting really

hard to

> breathe and I knew I wasn't outta o2. Looked up and room was

smoky. Lungs

> and sinuses still trying to recover from it. Skillet ruined and

Teflon

> burned off. Had been intending to throw it away but hadn't So

now it's

> Stainless and smoke alarm.

> Putting up as much veggies in freezer and canning as possible

from

> garden so as not to have to ingest so many chemicals. May I use

your post to

> send to others?

> You do it so much better than I ever could.

>

> Have a Good Day Today

> AND

> A Better Day Tomorrow

>

> Cotton--N. Central Texas

> Re: Re: CODEX

>

>

> > Looks like microwave ovens makers are in on it too. The Germans

invented

> > it, the Russians studied it, and the Russians banned them in

1976.

> > Microwaves destroy 97% of the anti oxidants in broccoli and

similar

> > destruction in other food, and changes the molecular structure

of

> > everything. DuPont still denying that the flourine in Teflon

isn't

> > dangerous. arghh. I'm looking into Turbo Ovens. the Dr.

Mercola site

> > is selling them now but you can get a slightly cheaper model

from Target.

> > not sure what advantages one has over the other. The oven

device is built

> > into the lid of a large Pyrex bowl which can sit on your counter

top. Air

> > is super heated and food is cooked with hot air. It is safe,

cooks food

> > in half the time of conventional oven and uses less energy. Has

anybody

> > studied the benefits between the brands? I don't think they

are plotting

> > our demise, but they sure are plotting to get all of our money,

> > retirement, social security and properties while keeping the

> > pharma and doctoring trades a lucritive enterprise. They want

to get us

> > sick and make us sicker so we need more and more drugs. and

more drugs to

> > treat the side effects of the other drugs and so on.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I believe parchment paper can be used on the rack, as it is used in

baking.

> , you said it perfectly. BTW it really is a good idea to

get

> rid of your Teflon cookware. Three or four weeks ago I was gonna

wash a

> small Teflon skillet the easy way by putting water and Dawn in it

to heat.

> Walked away and stopped at the puter

> and forgot about skillet. I am on o2 and it was getting really

hard to

> breathe and I knew I wasn't outta o2. Looked up and room was

smoky. Lungs

> and sinuses still trying to recover from it. Skillet ruined and

Teflon

> burned off. Had been intending to throw it away but hadn't So now

it's

> Stainless and smoke alarm.

> Putting up as much veggies in freezer and canning as possible from

> garden so as not to have to ingest so many chemicals. May I use

your post to

> send to others?

> You do it so much better than I ever could.

>

> Have a Good Day Today

> AND

> A Better Day Tomorrow

>

> Cotton--N. Central Texas

> Re: Re: CODEX

>

>

> > Looks like microwave ovens makers are in on it too. The Germans

invented

> > it, the Russians studied it, and the Russians banned them in

1976.

> > Microwaves destroy 97% of the anti oxidants in broccoli and

similar

> > destruction in other food, and changes the molecular structure

of

> > everything. DuPont still denying that the flourine in Teflon

isn't

> > dangerous. arghh. I'm looking into Turbo Ovens. the Dr. Mercola

site

> > is selling them now but you can get a slightly cheaper model

from Target.

> > not sure what advantages one has over the other. The oven device

is built

> > into the lid of a large Pyrex bowl which can sit on your counter

top. Air

> > is super heated and food is cooked with hot air. It is safe,

cooks food

> > in half the time of conventional oven and uses less energy. Has

anybody

> > studied the benefits between the brands? I don't think they are

plotting

> > our demise, but they sure are plotting to get all of our money,

> > retirement, social security and properties while keeping the

> > pharma and doctoring trades a lucritive enterprise. They want to

get us

> > sick and make us sicker so we need more and more drugs. and more

drugs to

> > treat the side effects of the other drugs and so on.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are supplement store owners, and markets like Whole Foods, etc,

showing any interests in talking to customers about this CODEX stuff?

Do they even feel threatened? I've been to several health food

stores in my area, and although I've never brought it up to the owners

or employees there, I don't see one piece of paper anywhere talking

about CODEX or any kind of real threat to consumer's choice on

supplements or healthfoods. Sure, once in a while something like

ephedra scandal happens, but wholesale doomsday stuff like this CODEX

threat to everything sounds a little far fetched. I can see a few

things on this list occurring, but most of it probably never will.

If we are in agreement with Dr that even many supplements are

polluted with solvents or heavy metals or whatever, what's the big

deal if some stores did close down or some supplements were removed

from the market? These companies selling polluted supplements have no

intention of doing anything to clean up their supplements. I remember

there was some site where Dr was talking about Vitamin D

supplements...

" If you are a small business, trying to get started, you could not

spend your first dollars on finding a lab that could test oil for

antimony. So you think, surely the FDA could help or advise me where

to turn for help. They respond courteously but say they have never

heard of antimony in olive oil, that they do not do such testing

themselves, know of no labs that do this and are sorry they cannot help.

But antimony is a strong poison; it is regulated out of (tested for)

the public water supply. Does this mean our foods could have subtle

poisons in them without anybody finding out about it, including the

FDA in whom we have come to trust?

With nowhere to turn, your enterprise is stalled. You may be tempted

to quit or tell yourself: maybe a little antimony isn't so bad—nobody

seems to be dying from it—maybe it's all overrated, so I will carry on. "

And also...

" For small batches the flavoring and vitamin D3 concentrate could be

added by dropper to a large bottle of diluting oil that could be

closed and shaken mechanically or even by hand. But for large batches

they would need to be mixed in a mixing vat with paddles driven around

by a motor. Now it is a very quick procedure. But how to clean it all

up? The same vat needs to be used for another product next day. Your

business adviser tells you that only a solvent like benzene, xylene or

toluene (like Solvex or Solvall, an imaginary name) could do a " good "

job in a reasonable time. The drainings can be saved for future

cleanings. A second washing in " non-toxic " food-contact-acceptable

solvents (like Foodsafe, another imaginary name) gives a second batch

of drainings to be used again for the same purpose. Solvents are quite

expensive. A list of food-admissible solvents is given in the Federal

Register. Reading these and remembering your business " advice " , you

instinctively know this is not how your mother would clean up dishes!

There is something very wrong. You check into some safer and simpler

cleaning methods. But your business adviser, the maker of the mixing

vat warns you…

If different or cheaper solvents are used, a lacquer may build up on

the paddles. An odor or taint may develop. Mold and bacteria could

become a problem. The machines dare not use anything except what is

specified for that machine, or lose the warranty on it as well as

getting bad results.

Maintenance of complex machinery is taken care of by the company that

makes it, so this company does not want any interference with its own

solvent solutions, or cleaning schedules. The machine supplier does

not want to get repair bills for its mixing vat, or to pay for extra

maintenance under the warranty, nor to have the machine returned to

them, nor to lose a customer! "

I'm not saying Vitamin D should be banned, but Dr herself says

most supplements are polluted and are not even worth taking at all.

-Ken Bagwell

>

> The top ten reasons why organized medicine supports CODEX (the

> European Food Supplements Directive) -NewsTarget Insider

>

>

>

> 1. It eliminates access to key nutrients that prevent disease, thereby

>

> creating a population of diseased, malnourished customers who will

>

> inevitably turn to high-profit prescription drugs.

>

>

>

> 2. It focuses people on the debate over the safety of nutritional

>

> supplements, distracting them from the debate over the safety of

>

> prescription drugs and over-the-counter drugs.

>

>

>

> 3. It makes nutritional supplements more expensive, putting their

>

> purchase out of reach of more consumers.

>

>

>

> 4. With the loss of vitamin sales, many natural health retailers will

>

> be forced out of business, and this is good for organized medicine.

>

> The fewer health shops exist, the less competition there is for

>

> prescription drugs.

>

>

>

> 5. It establishes a legal precedent of control over not just

>

> supplements, but food. This sets the stage for the future banning of

>

> nutritious foods that prevent disease such as blueberries, broccoli

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> and garlic.

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> 6. It allows for the arrest and incrimination of key proponents of

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> natural health (vitamin manufacturers, retailers, and consumers),

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> removing them from the public stage so that they no longer have a voice.

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> 7. It discredits the entire nutritional supplements industry, creating

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> fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) in the minds of consumers who aren't

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> aware of the real motivations behind the law.

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> 8. It erects huge barriers to the introduction of new supplements to

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> the market by forcing manufacturers to spend millions of dollars on

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> compliance, even for substances that have been safely consumed by

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> humans as medicine for thousands of years.

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> 9. It sets a legal foundation from which other nutrients can be

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> outlawed. Each year, watch for the ratchet to be tightened as a

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> growing list of supplements get banned.

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> 10. It allows natural health critics to use circular logic to attack

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> the industry. They'll say, " If these vitamins weren't dangerous, then

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> they wouldn't have been outlawed, would they? "

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[Guest guest]

A forwarded message:

From: Atle Johan Løvaas

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:40 PM

Subject: Fwd: Codex

Hi all - here's the best CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and New World Order speech - ever.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5800206429960925518

[Guest guest]

Yup.. time to start stocking up on what you will think you will need for

supps..

If it goes through anyways.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:12 PM

Subject: [ ] codex

are any of you aware of the CODEX law that goes into effect December 31,

2009?

:0)

[Guest guest]

I am aware of codex and screw them, they can have my vitamins when they pry them

from my cold dead fingers!

Plus, I will always be able to outsmart anyone to get my kids the vitamins they

need. Some of this might be from foods.

[Guest guest]

, not true! The date for implementing Codex was long since established to

go into effect on December 31, 2009. You need to look into this more.

from Israel

> >

> > According to Codex Alimentarius, any substance (herb, mineral, amino acid,

or vitamin) that is not specifically approved is banned! Do a search for Codex

Alimentarius on Youtube to educate yourself.

> > Lugol's has already been partially banned, has it not? There are already

restrictions on the concentration and volume you can purchase. I suspect that

this is only the first step. MMS has already been banned in Canada, and natural

doctors are under the guillotines set up for them by the medical establishment

gangsters.

> >

> > Iodoral, along with the weak iodine solutions such as Nascent iodine, have

so far not been affected by legislation. Hopefully, that will not change. My

guess is that Iodoral might become a prescription-only item, obtainable only at

high cost. Already, you are required to have a prescription if you order it

directly from the Iodoral main website.

> >

> > from Israel

> >

>

[Guest guest]

R12: I have heard that the Codex will become law on 31 December

2009. Is it true?

This is an unfounded rumor: The

standards, guidelines and codes adopted by the Codex Alimentarius Commission

are voluntary and do not therefore contain implementation deadlines or dates,

nor can the Commission turn them into binding law.

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/faq_rum.jsp#R12

There is so

much disinformation on the Internet about CODEX. While I do believe that at some point it

could be a huge problem. That will

not happen this year.

Be Well

Dr.L

Re: Codex

, not true! The date for implementing Codex was

long since established to go into effect on December 31, 2009. You need to look

into this more.

from Israel

> >

> > According to Codex Alimentarius, any substance

(herb, mineral, amino acid, or vitamin) that is not specifically approved is

banned! Do a search for Codex Alimentarius on Youtube to educate yourself.

> > Lugol's has already been partially banned, has

it not? There are already restrictions on the concentration and volume you can

purchase. I suspect that this is only the first step. MMS has already been

banned in Canada, and natural doctors are under the guillotines set up for them

by the medical establishment gangsters.

> >

> > Iodoral, along with the weak iodine solutions

such as Nascent iodine, have so far not been affected by legislation.

Hopefully, that will not change. My guess is that Iodoral might become a

prescription-only item, obtainable only at high cost. Already, you are required

to have a prescription if you order it directly from the Iodoral main website.

> >

> > from Israel

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ha, ha! That is laughable; it's like asking criminals if they plan to commit a

crime. I would hardly consider any world government agency trustworthy.

from Israel

> > >

> > > According to Codex Alimentarius, any substance (herb, mineral, amino

> acid, or vitamin) that is not specifically approved is banned! Do a search

> for Codex Alimentarius on Youtube to educate yourself.

> > > Lugol's has already been partially banned, has it not? There are already

> restrictions on the concentration and volume you can purchase. I suspect

> that this is only the first step. MMS has already been banned in Canada, and

> natural doctors are under the guillotines set up for them by the medical

> establishment gangsters.

> > >

> > > Iodoral, along with the weak iodine solutions such as Nascent iodine,

> have so far not been affected by legislation. Hopefully, that will not

> change. My guess is that Iodoral might become a prescription-only item,

> obtainable only at high cost. Already, you are required to have a

> prescription if you order it directly from the Iodoral main website.

> > >

> > > from Israel

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i believe the threat is real...even though it is "voluntary" it is our governments that will decide if they want to "voluntarily" join the codex....fact is that world organizations may start to cry foul and try to make us do it based on some ideal of free world trade and trade violations etc....fact is i dont want the government to pack it in with the others involved with codex..so i will continue to write my congressman and president to try to keep it from happening here....From: Yochanan <yburkett@...>iodine Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 12:49:08 PMSubject: Re: Codex

Ha, ha! That is laughable; it's like asking criminals if they plan to commit a crime. I would hardly consider any world government agency trustworthy.

from Israel

> > >

> > > According to Codex Alimentarius, any substance (herb, mineral, amino

> acid, or vitamin) that is not specifically approved is banned! Do a search

> for Codex Alimentarius on Youtube to educate yourself.

> > > Lugol's has already been partially banned, has it not? There are already

> restrictions on the concentration and volume you can purchase. I suspect

> that this is only the first step. MMS has already been banned in Canada, and

> natural doctors are under the guillotines set up for them by the medical

> establishment gangsters.

> > >

> > > Iodoral, along with the weak iodine solutions such as Nascent iodine,

> have so far not been affected by legislation. Hopefully, that will not

> change. My guess is that Iodoral might become a prescription- only item,

> obtainable only at high cost. Already, you are required to have a

> prescription if you order it directly from the Iodoral main website.

> > >

> > > from Israel

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I got an email over the summer that said it was taking affect in July. That's

why I wrote my Congressman. Even so, it still has to be signed into law by our

Congress.

>

[Guest guest]

This is a response that I received from LifeExtensions back in September. This was after I had already written my Congressman.

Thank you for your recent correspondence.

Codex is an international set of guidelines that must be approved by the national legislative body before it becomes effective in that country. To date, no one has submitted a bill to Congress that would enact Codex and make it the law of the land in the USA. If this should happen, you can be sure that we will be a highly vocal and vigorous opponent of that legislation. If you have any additional questions, please e-mail us or call the advisor helpline at (800) 226-2370.Please make sure Case:[116010] is in the subject line of all correspondence. For Longer Life,Life ExtensionMember Support(800) 678-8989

> > >> > > According to Codex Alimentarius, any substance (herb, mineral, amino acid, or vitamin) that is not specifically approved is banned! Do a search for Codex Alimentarius on Youtube to educate yourself.> > > Lugol's has already been partially banned, has it not? There are already restrictions on the concentration and volume you can purchase. I suspect that this is only the first step. MMS has already been banned in Canada, and natural doctors are under the guillotines set up for them by the medical establishment gangsters.> > > > > > Iodoral, along with the weak iodine solutions such as Nascent iodine, have so far not been affected by legislation. Hopefully, that will not change. My guess is that Iodoral might become a prescription-only item, obtainable only at high cost. Already, you are required to have a prescription if you order it directly from the Iodoral main website.> > > > > > from Israel> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Apparently the Germans set this Codex thing off. And it is in many countries in Europe.

Kill the competition.

From: dawn volz <dawnv5@...>Subject: Re: Re: Codexiodine Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 19:55

i believe the threat is real...even though it is "voluntary" it is our governments that will decide if they want to "voluntarily" join the codex....fact is that world organizations may start to cry foul and try to make us do it based on some ideal of free world trade and trade violations etc....fact is i dont want the government to pack it in with the others involved with codex..so i will continue to write my congressman and president to try to keep it from happening here....

From: Yochanan <yburkett (DOT) com>iodinegroups (DOT) comSent: Thu, November 12, 2009 12:49:08 PMSubject: Re: Codex

Ha, ha! That is laughable; it's like asking criminals if they plan to commit a crime. I would hardly consider any world government agency trustworthy. from Israel> > >> > > According to Codex Alimentarius, any substance (herb, mineral, amino> acid, or vitamin) that is not specifically approved is banned! Do a search> for Codex Alimentarius on Youtube to educate yourself.> > > Lugol's has already been partially banned, has it not? There are already> restrictions on the concentration and volume you can purchase. I suspect> that this is only the first step. MMS has already been banned in Canada, and> natural doctors are under the guillotines set up for them by the medical> establishment gangsters.> > > > > > Iodoral, along with the weak iodine

solutions such as Nascent iodine,> have so far not been affected by legislation. Hopefully, that will not> change. My guess is that Iodoral might become a prescription- only item,> obtainable only at high cost. Already, you are required to have a> prescription if you order it directly from the Iodoral main website.> > > > > > from Israel> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

So right . There is nothing about any of them that can be trusted.

From: dawn volz <dawnv5@...>Subject: Re: Re: Codexiodine Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 19:55

i believe the threat is real...even though it is "voluntary" it is our governments that will decide if they want to "voluntarily" join the codex....fact is that world organizations may start to cry foul and try to make us do it based on some ideal of free world trade and trade violations etc....fact is i dont want the government to pack it in with the others involved with codex..so i will continue to write my congressman and president to try to keep it from happening here....

From: Yochanan <yburkett (DOT) com>iodinegroups (DOT) comSent: Thu, November 12, 2009 12:49:08 PMSubject: Re: Codex

Ha, ha! That is laughable; it's like asking criminals if they plan to commit a crime. I would hardly consider any world government agency trustworthy. from Israel> > >> > > According to Codex Alimentarius, any substance (herb, mineral, amino> acid, or vitamin) that is not specifically approved is banned! Do a search> for Codex Alimentarius on Youtube to educate yourself.> > > Lugol's has already been partially banned, has it not? There are already> restrictions on the concentration and volume you can purchase. I suspect> that this is only the first step. MMS has already been banned in Canada, and> natural doctors are under the guillotines set up for them by the medical> establishment gangsters.> > > > > > Iodoral, along with the weak iodine

solutions such as Nascent iodine,> have so far not been affected by legislation. Hopefully, that will not> change. My guess is that Iodoral might become a prescription- only item,> obtainable only at high cost. Already, you are required to have a> prescription if you order it directly from the Iodoral main website.> > > > > > from Israel> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Have been considering how else one could get higher values.

What about herbs..Mixed.

david

From: dawn volz <dawnv5@...>Subject: codexiodine Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 18:09

it has been out there i originally heard it from dr. mercola...if you look at this from one source....and go to this site...www.healthfreedomus a.org...anyway it is out there ....and this group is active figting it...read onCODEX NUTRIENT REFERENCE VALUES THREATEN YOUR SUPPLEMENTS - BY STEALTH

Codex "Nutrient Reference Value Upper Daily Intake Limits" are a threat to each of us and to our Constitutional form of Government. Bills being prepared in the US Senate would require us to HARMonize with Codex standards and guidelines despite the existance of a 1997 law which prohibits exactly that. The FDA and the US Congress are not much disturbed by those restrictions. The only thing that will keep them within the guidelines set by the US Constitution is us - you and me. In our next blast we will have a new Action Item that we are going to ask you to take viral, generating millions of emails - as only we can, to stop the Nutrient Reference Value Upper Daily Intake Limits from

being first labeling requirements and then dietary limitations. That is the plan and we are not going to let it happen.

We are giving you a 'heads up' right now to give you time to think about how YOU will disseminate and activate this information.

These Upper Intake Limits are so low that they are incapable of even preventing nutrient deficiencies, let alone promoting health for everyone over 36 months of age.

The nutrients which helped Jennings so tremendously would not, under this system, be available to you, with or without a prescription.

This information is contained in Para 3.4.4 of the PROPOSED DRAFT ADDITIONAL REVISED NUTRIENT REFERENCE VALUES FOR LABELING PURPOSES IN THE CODEX GUIDELINES OF NUTRITION Revised Nutrient Reference Values for Labelling Purposes in the Codex Guidelines of Nutrition Labelling at Step 3, Cx/NFSDU 09/31/4

My comments in red - RELProtein (g) (50) [no new value proposed: category eliminated]Vitamin A ug RE (800) 550 Minimum 10,000 for adultsVitamin D (ug) 5 I personally take 10,000Vitamin E (mg a-TE) 8.8 I take 1800 plus fish oilVitamin K (ug) 60 I take 1000Vitamin C 45 I take 6,000Thiamin (mg) (60) 45 I take 100Riboflavin (mg) (1.6) 1.2 I take 50Niacin (mg NE) (18) 15 I take 1000Vitamin B6 (mg) (2) 1.3 I take 500(Folic Acid ug 200) Folate (ugDFE) 400 I take

25,000Vitamin B12 (ug) 2.4 I take 5000Biotin (ug) 30 I take 8000Calcium (mg) (800) 1000 I take 1200Magnesium (mg) (300) 240 I take 1000Iodine (ug) 150 Iron (mg) % bioavailability 14.3/15% 18.0/12% I take none 21.6/10% 43.1/5% Zinc (mg) % bioavailability 3.6 (high) 6.0 (moderate) 11.9 (low) I take 35Selenium (Value to be Established) (ug) 30 I take 600Phosphorus (mg) 700 I take 1000Chlorine (g) 2.3 I take noneCopper (Value to be

Established) (ug) 900Fluoride (mg) 3.5 Tremendously dangerous - no biological requriement for any fluoride. All risk, no benefitManganese (mg) 2.1 I take 5 Chromium (ug) 30 I take 8000Molybdenum (ug) 45 I take 70

We, together, are active, informed and ready to act. We are the NetRoots of Health Freedom.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@ sbcglobal. net>iodinegroups (DOT) comSent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:49:49 AMSubject: Re: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

That's what I was thinking. This is coming too fast (Dec date) for us not to hear from all the health groups. I put some feelers out today to see what people in the market think or know.

Steph

Am I right or wrong about iodine?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.> > > > > > > > I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and

recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even though it's in my liquid vitamin.> > > > > > > > I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.> > > > > > > > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.> > > > > > > > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have to do that!> > > > > > > > I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.> > > > > > > > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

whats your source for that?

> > > >

> > > > According to Codex Alimentarius, any substance (herb, mineral, amino

> > acid, or vitamin) that is not specifically approved is banned! Do a search

> > for Codex Alimentarius on Youtube to educate yourself.

> > > > Lugol's has already been partially banned, has it not? There are already

> > restrictions on the concentration and volume you can purchase. I suspect

> > that this is only the first step. MMS has already been banned in Canada, and

> > natural doctors are under the guillotines set up for them by the medical

> > establishment gangsters.

> > > >

> > > > Iodoral, along with the weak iodine solutions such as Nascent iodine,

> > have so far not been affected by legislation. Hopefully, that will not

> > change. My guess is that Iodoral might become a prescription- only item,

> > obtainable only at high cost. Already, you are required to have a

> > prescription if you order it directly from the Iodoral main website.

> > > >

> > > > from Israel

> > > >

> > >

> >

>