Re: Was ZICAM - Now: Very Off Topic- 1st Admendment

[Guest guest]

--- In , Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

wrote:

> Corporations DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS. In fact, one of the biggest reasons

> that (some) corporations have been able to grow into the monsters they

> are today is through the perversion of concept of what constitutes a

> 'person' under the law as far as the protection of Rights goes.

>

> Corporations are creatures of the State. They are not people, and they

> don't (shouldn't) have Rights, they (should) only have privileges under

> the law, revocable at any time should they start to get out of hand.

>

********

America is great because of capitalism…the right to private ownership, to

produce a product and make a profit. Corporations provide millions of jobs for

Americans, make available automobiles, gasoline for travel and heating oil to

one warm, produce clothing, raw materials for homes and food. Businesses are

used by our legislators as government's personal piggy bank. Business is over

regulated by legislators, so much so that great numbers are leaving this country

to save their companies, thereby leaving many here jobless. Uncle Sam's income

via taxes from so called " big oil " is far greater than the profit margin they

are left with. Of course, business has the right to participate in political

speech.

According to the 1st Amendment, political speech must be protected. Congress and

the courts have quietly over the years stolen this right, mainly for the purpose

of keeping themselves in office. Thank GOD government's power has just been

knocked back and the 1st Amendment upheld by the Supreme Court. Any attempt by

government to silence the speech of any group should be rebuked.

Below is a thoughtful article by Will:

The Supreme Court's radical defense of political speech

For almost four decades now, what has been done in the name of " campaign finance

reform " has constituted the most dangerous assault on freedom of speech since

the Alien and Sedition Acts. This is because the government, by regulating what

can be spent in order to disseminate political speech and when political speech

may occur, has asserted the astonishing right to dictate the quantity, content

and timing of speech about the government.

On Thursday, however, the Supreme Court, in a gratifyingly radical decision,

substantially pushed back the encroachments that the political class has made on

the sphere of free political speech. This was radical only because after nearly

four decades of such " reform " the First Amendment has come to seem radical.

Which, indeed, it is. The Supreme Court on Thursday restored First Amendment

protection to the core speech that it was designed to protect -- political

speech. There will be no more McCain-Feingold blackout periods before primary

and general elections -- periods during which political advocacy was restricted,

just as public attention was most intense.

The court's decision will be predictably lamented by people alarmed by the

prospect of more political money funding more political speech. The Supreme

Court has now said to such people approximately this: The First Amendment does

not permit government to decide the " proper " quantity of political speech.

Diane

[Guest guest]

Business and corporations are leaving the USA to widen their profit margins paid

for with my tax dollars. The luxury we have you write of warm homes gasoline

clothes will soon be for the elite. This will become a third world country with

no middle class if the BIG corporations are allowed to continue as now. The

small business that built this country are going under because they cannot

compete with the corporate giants that have left this country for third world

countries and sweat shop and peasants. We best get our fighting spirit back or

join the ranks of the peasants.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-04-22/news/maxwell22_1_tax-dollars-outs\

ourcing-florida-jobs

http://www.alternet.org/story/42528/

--- In , " DianeS " <dsomerstn@...>

wrote:

>

>

> --- In , Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@>

wrote:

> > Corporations DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS. In fact, one of the biggest reasons

> > that (some) corporations have been able to grow into the monsters they

> > are today is through the perversion of concept of what constitutes a

> > 'person' under the law as far as the protection of Rights goes.

> >

> > Corporations are creatures of the State. They are not people, and they

> > don't (shouldn't) have Rights, they (should) only have privileges under

> > the law, revocable at any time should they start to get out of hand.

> >

>

> ********

> America is great because of capitalism…the right to private ownership, to

produce a product and make a profit. Corporations provide millions of jobs for

Americans, make available automobiles, gasoline for travel and heating oil to

one warm, produce clothing, raw materials for homes and food. Businesses are

used by our legislators as government's personal piggy bank. Business is over

regulated by legislators, so much so that great numbers are leaving this country

to save their companies, thereby leaving many here jobless. Uncle Sam's income

via taxes from so called " big oil " is far greater than the profit margin they

are left with. Of course, business has the right to participate in political

speech.

>

> According to the 1st Amendment, political speech must be protected. Congress

and the courts have quietly over the years stolen this right, mainly for the

purpose of keeping themselves in office. Thank GOD government's power has just

been knocked back and the 1st Amendment upheld by the Supreme Court. Any

attempt by government to silence the speech of any group should be rebuked.

>

> Below is a thoughtful article by Will:

>

> The Supreme Court's radical defense of political speech

>

> For almost four decades now, what has been done in the name of " campaign

finance reform " has constituted the most dangerous assault on freedom of speech

since the Alien and Sedition Acts. This is because the government, by regulating

what can be spent in order to disseminate political speech and when political

speech may occur, has asserted the astonishing right to dictate the quantity,

content and timing of speech about the government.

> On Thursday, however, the Supreme Court, in a gratifyingly radical decision,

substantially pushed back the encroachments that the political class has made on

the sphere of free political speech. This was radical only because after nearly

four decades of such " reform " the First Amendment has come to seem radical.

Which, indeed, it is. The Supreme Court on Thursday restored First Amendment

protection to the core speech that it was designed to protect -- political

speech. There will be no more McCain-Feingold blackout periods before primary

and general elections -- periods during which political advocacy was restricted,

just as public attention was most intense.

> The court's decision will be predictably lamented by people alarmed by the

prospect of more political money funding more political speech. The Supreme

Court has now said to such people approximately this: The First Amendment does

not permit government to decide the " proper " quantity of political speech.

>

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

The justices weighed two fundamental political forces - the power of the central

government and the concentration of corporate wealth - and tilted decidedly in

favor of the latter. The opinion by Justice Kennedy made a vigorous

argument based on the Constitution for the right of the public to be exposed to

a multitude of ideas and against the ability of government to limit political

speech, even in the interest of fighting corruption.

" The Court today made a bad situation worse, " Common Cause President Bob

Edgar said. " This decision allows Wall Street to tap its vast corporate profits

to drown out the voice of the public in our democracy. "

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> Business and corporations are leaving the USA to widen their profit margins

paid for with my tax dollars. The luxury we have you write of warm homes

gasoline clothes will soon be for the elite. This will become a third world

country with no middle class if the BIG corporations are allowed to continue as

now. The small business that built this country are going under because they

cannot compete with the corporate giants that have left this country for third

world countries and sweat shop and peasants. We best get our fighting spirit

back or join the ranks of the peasants.

>

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-04-22/news/maxwell22_1_tax-dollars-outs\

ourcing-florida-jobs

> http://www.alternet.org/story/42528/

>

> --- In , " DianeS " <dsomerstn@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > --- In , Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@>

wrote:

> > > Corporations DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS. In fact, one of the biggest reasons

> > > that (some) corporations have been able to grow into the monsters they

> > > are today is through the perversion of concept of what constitutes a

> > > 'person' under the law as far as the protection of Rights goes.

> > >

> > > Corporations are creatures of the State. They are not people, and they

> > > don't (shouldn't) have Rights, they (should) only have privileges under

> > > the law, revocable at any time should they start to get out of hand.

> > >

> >

> > ********

> > America is great because of capitalism…the right to private ownership, to

produce a product and make a profit. Corporations provide millions of jobs for

Americans, make available automobiles, gasoline for travel and heating oil to

one warm, produce clothing, raw materials for homes and food. Businesses are

used by our legislators as government's personal piggy bank. Business is over

regulated by legislators, so much so that great numbers are leaving this country

to save their companies, thereby leaving many here jobless. Uncle Sam's income

via taxes from so called " big oil " is far greater than the profit margin they

are left with. Of course, business has the right to participate in political

speech.

> >

> > According to the 1st Amendment, political speech must be protected. Congress

and the courts have quietly over the years stolen this right, mainly for the

purpose of keeping themselves in office. Thank GOD government's power has just

been knocked back and the 1st Amendment upheld by the Supreme Court. Any

attempt by government to silence the speech of any group should be rebuked.

> >

> > Below is a thoughtful article by Will:

> >

> > The Supreme Court's radical defense of political speech

> >

> > For almost four decades now, what has been done in the name of " campaign

finance reform " has constituted the most dangerous assault on freedom of speech

since the Alien and Sedition Acts. This is because the government, by regulating

what can be spent in order to disseminate political speech and when political

speech may occur, has asserted the astonishing right to dictate the quantity,

content and timing of speech about the government.

> > On Thursday, however, the Supreme Court, in a gratifyingly radical decision,

substantially pushed back the encroachments that the political class has made on

the sphere of free political speech. This was radical only because after nearly

four decades of such " reform " the First Amendment has come to seem radical.

Which, indeed, it is. The Supreme Court on Thursday restored First Amendment

protection to the core speech that it was designed to protect -- political

speech. There will be no more McCain-Feingold blackout periods before primary

and general elections -- periods during which political advocacy was restricted,

just as public attention was most intense.

> > The court's decision will be predictably lamented by people alarmed by the

prospect of more political money funding more political speech. The Supreme

Court has now said to such people approximately this: The First Amendment does

not permit government to decide the " proper " quantity of political speech.

> >

> > Diane

> >

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> Business and corporations are leaving the USA to widen their profit margins

paid for with my tax dollars.

*****

Dear Healing…. Sorry, I can't follow your logic….government controls your tax

dollars, not the private sector.

>The luxury we have you write of warm homes gasoline clothes will soon be for

the elite. This will become a third world country with no middle class if the

BIG corporations are allowed to continue as now. . We best get our fighting

spirit back or join the ranks of the peasants.

*****

You couldn't be more wrong…Third World Country…Possibly….BUT THE THREAT IS NOT

FROM PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESS, their stockholders or employees.

Our citizens who love the Nation need to be aware…and answer some questions.

What do you know about the progressive movement in America and their grab for

power? Who are they and are any of them in positions of power? Progressives

are against capitalism and are for the redistribution of wealth, otherwise known

as Socialism. They have failed to learn the lessons of history. Many of them

want to bring America down. What is the least resistive and stealth way to

bring about socialism to a powerful, unsuspecting/unwilling capitalist nation?

As eluded to earlier in another post regarding free speech, perhaps the control

of internet under the guise of a national emergency as being quietly discussed,

control of talk radio as under the guise of " localism " as currently being

developed, and ultimately the demise of the Fox News Network who is the only

network exposing such activities. Who are the people directing these activities?

What else is needed? Perhaps the massive takeover by government of much of the

private sector; i.e. major car manufacturing corporations, private sector banks,

student loans, insurance companies and another 6% of the economy via the

healthcare system, making sleazy back room deals to gain control over the very

lives of people and their doctors dictating what they can and cannot do

regarding their own health. (We already have too much of that). What else is

needed to achieve their end? Perhaps the printing of obscene amounts of money

and crashing the dollar! How does one crash the dollar? Massive government

spending resulting in massive debt…causing astronomical debt/interest to the

point of non-recovery thereby rendering the dollar worthless. So what happens

if the dollar collapses? Your money and savings are worthless …you have no

power to purchase what you need. Congratulations, you are now dependant upon

the " powers that be " for their handouts….Socialism. Mission accomplished

without firing a single shot…and one suddenly finds oneself a peasant as

stated…. DOES ANY PART OF THIS ACTIVITY SOUND FAMILIAR? . ARE ANY WARNING BELLS

GOING OFF ?...THEY SHOULD BE…The outrageous government spending, the massive

government takeover of the private sector, and the erosion of individual

freedoms is the threat, not some private sector business who performs a service

or makes a product in order to earn a profit. I do totally agree 100% with your

last statement.

This discussion is totally off topic and perhaps should end. Our moderator is

probably hyperventilating at the moment; I will bite my tongue to remain from

further comment, but the situation described above should be of concern to all

who love this country. May GOD protect America from anyone meaning to do her

harm and God bless those who recently defended our 1st amendment rights.

Best wishes

Diane

[Guest guest]

The book Codeword: Barbelon by P.D. Stuart shows who is ruining this country. Go to amazon to buy or type in search engine like or Google

[ ] Re: Was ZICAM - Now: Very Off Topic- 1st Admendment

>> Business and corporations are leaving the USA to widen their profit margins paid for with my tax dollars. *****Dear Healing…. Sorry, I can't follow your logic….government controls your tax dollars, not the private sector. >The luxury we have you write of warm homes gasoline clothes will soon be for the elite. This will become a third world country with no middle class if the BIG corporations are allowed to continue as now. . We best get our fighting spirit back or join the ranks of the peasants.*****You couldn't be more wrong…Third World Country…Possibly….BUT THE THREAT IS NOT FROM PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESS, their stockholders or employees. Our citizens who love the Nation need to be aware…and answer some questions. What do you know about the progressive movement in America and their grab for power? Who are they and are any of them in positions of power? Progressives are against capitalism and are for the redistribution of wealth, otherwise known as Socialism. They have failed to learn the lessons of history. Many of them want to bring America down. What is the least resistive and stealth way to bring about socialism to a powerful, unsuspecting/unwilling capitalist nation? As eluded to earlier in another post regarding free speech, perhaps the control of internet under the guise of a national emergency as being quietly discussed, control of talk radio as under the guise of "localism" as currently being developed, and ultimately the demise of the Fox News Network who is the only network exposing such activities. Who are the people directing these activities? What else is needed? Perhaps the massive takeover by government of much of the private sector; i.e. major car manufacturing corporations, private sector banks, student loans, insurance companies and another 6% of the economy via the healthcare system, making sleazy back room deals to gain control over the very lives of people and their doctors dictating what they can and cannot do regarding their own health. (We already have too much of that). What else is needed to achieve their end? Perhaps the printing of obscene amounts of money and crashing the dollar! How does one crash the dollar? Massive government spending resulting in massive debt…causing astronomical debt/interest to the point of non-recovery thereby rendering the dollar worthless. So what happens if the dollar collapses? Your money and savings are worthless …you have no power to purchase what you need. Congratulations, you are now dependant upon the "powers that be" for their handouts….Socialism. Mission accomplished without firing a single shot…and one suddenly finds oneself a peasant as stated…. DOES ANY PART OF THIS ACTIVITY SOUND FAMILIAR? . ARE ANY WARNING BELLS GOING OFF ?...THEY SHOULD BE…The outrageous government spending, the massive government takeover of the private sector, and the erosion of individual freedoms is the threat, not some private sector business who performs a service or makes a product in order to earn a profit. I do totally agree 100% with your last statement. This discussion is totally off topic and perhaps should end. Our moderator is probably hyperventilating at the moment; I will bite my tongue to remain from further comment, but the situation described above should be of concern to all who love this country. May GOD protect America from anyone meaning to do her harm and God bless those who recently defended our 1st amendment rights. Best wishes Diane

[Guest guest]

On 2010-01-23 1:29 AM, H wrote:

> Protect free speech even if you don't agree with who is speaking - if

> you don't, you may be the next to be silenced.

I am an absolute supporter of free speech.

But speech can only be engaged in by people. Corporations are not

people. Corporations do not have Rights, only privileges.

Individuals who work for corporations should be free to spend their

money as they see fit.

--

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

On 2010-01-23 1:29 AM, H wrote:

> Protect free speech even if you don't agree with who is speaking - if

> you don't, you may be the next to be silenced.

I am an absolute supporter of free speech.

But speech can only be engaged in by people. Corporations are not

people. Corporations do not have Rights, only privileges.

Individuals who work for corporations should be free to spend their

money as they see fit.

--

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

On 2010-01-23 1:29 AM, H wrote:

> Protect free speech even if you don't agree with who is speaking -

> if you don't, you may be the next to be silenced.

I am an absolute supporter of free speech.

Individuals who work for corporations should be free to spend their

money as they see fit.

But 'speech' can only be engaged in by people. Corporations are not

people. Corporations do not have Rights, only privileges.

The concept that lifeless legal fictions are the same as 'people', and

can have the same 'Rights' as people, is what is responsible for the

current situation today - America is, and has been, a fascist state for

a very long time.

--

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

Diane,I totally agree with you!I will be pulling my 'party' affiliation - I think they are both corrupt, and become an independent patriot. There is corruption everywhere. As those of us here know how corrupt the CDC, FDA and big pharma are, and how doctors are just their puppets - we have to get educated and think for ourselves.  The same goes with politics. I myself, watch MSNBC, CNN and Fox.  After while, it doesn't take long to see the liberal media bias.

I agree that some big corporations are very corrupt - think Monsanto, but who isn't reporting this stuff. I don't hear Oprah blowing the whistle, or CNN or CSPAN.  Think ACORN, Fox was the only whistle blower here - for days on end, until mainstream couldn't ignore it - and made a pittance mention of it. So, let's see, the liberal main stream media is not exposing corruption, hmmmmm who are they protecting and why?

This discussion is totally off topic and perhaps should end. Our

moderator is probably hyperventilating at the moment; I will bite my

tongue to remain from further comment, but the situation described

above should be of concern to all who love this country. May GOD

protect America from anyone meaning to do her harm and God bless those

who recently defended our 1st amendment rights. Me too,On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:07 AM, DianeS <dsomerstn@...> wrote:

 

>

> Business and corporations are leaving the USA to widen their profit margins paid for with my tax dollars.

*****

Dear Healing…. Sorry, I can't follow your logic….government controls your tax dollars, not the private sector.

>The luxury we have you write of warm homes gasoline clothes will soon be for the elite. This will become a third world country with no middle class if the BIG corporations are allowed to continue as now. . We best get our fighting spirit back or join the ranks of the peasants.

*****

You couldn't be more wrong…Third World Country…Possibly….BUT THE THREAT IS NOT FROM PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESS, their stockholders or employees.

Our citizens who love the Nation need to be aware…and answer some questions. What do you know about the progressive movement in America and their grab for power? Who are they and are any of them in positions of power? Progressives are against capitalism and are for the redistribution of wealth, otherwise known as Socialism. They have failed to learn the lessons of history. Many of them want to bring America down. What is the least resistive and stealth way to bring about socialism to a powerful, unsuspecting/unwilling capitalist nation? As eluded to earlier in another post regarding free speech, perhaps the control of internet under the guise of a national emergency as being quietly discussed, control of talk radio as under the guise of " localism " as currently being developed, and ultimately the demise of the Fox News Network who is the only network exposing such activities. Who are the people directing these activities? What else is needed? Perhaps the massive takeover by government of much of the private sector; i.e. major car manufacturing corporations, private sector banks, student loans, insurance companies and another 6% of the economy via the healthcare system, making sleazy back room deals to gain control over the very lives of people and their doctors dictating what they can and cannot do regarding their own health. (We already have too much of that). What else is needed to achieve their end? Perhaps the printing of obscene amounts of money and crashing the dollar! How does one crash the dollar? Massive government spending resulting in massive debt…causing astronomical debt/interest to the point of non-recovery thereby rendering the dollar worthless. So what happens if the dollar collapses? Your money and savings are worthless …you have no power to purchase what you need. Congratulations, you are now dependant upon the " powers that be " for their handouts….Socialism. Mission accomplished without firing a single shot…and one suddenly finds oneself a peasant as stated…. DOES ANY PART OF THIS ACTIVITY SOUND FAMILIAR? . ARE ANY WARNING BELLS GOING OFF ?...THEY SHOULD BE…The outrageous government spending, the massive government takeover of the private sector, and the erosion of individual freedoms is the threat, not some private sector business who performs a service or makes a product in order to earn a profit. I do totally agree 100% with your last statement.

This discussion is totally off topic and perhaps should end. Our moderator is probably hyperventilating at the moment; I will bite my tongue to remain from further comment, but the situation described above should be of concern to all who love this country. May GOD protect America from anyone meaning to do her harm and God bless those who recently defended our 1st amendment rights.

Best wishes

Diane

[Guest guest]

On 2010-01-24 4:07 AM, DianeS wrote:

> government controls your tax dollars, not the private sector.

Wrong. The private money powers dictate what 'tax' dollars are spent on.

Witness as evidence the bank bailout that was in direct contradiction to

the overwhelming express will of the people.

Congress does not work for the people any more. They work for the

corporations paying the biggest bucks.

> THE THREAT IS NOT FROM PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESS, their stockholders

> or employees.

Correct... the threat is from the unholy alliance *between* *some* big

businesses and big government.

What ends up being created is an artificial monopoly (Can you say

Monsanto? Big Pharma/AMA/FDA/FTC/etc? Military/Industrial complex?).

This is the result of giving these corporations the same 'Rights' as

people, combined with special legislated 'privileges' that are

essentially more powerful even the natural Rights we are all born with.

--

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

Bossie (http://tinyurl.com/ycu6gyv) is right when he says: "Almost every major media outlet in the country is owned by a corporation

and most of them advocate for or against candidates via endorsements, opinion columns, or politically-oriented programming. Why should General Electric, which owns MSNBC, be permitted to use its nearly unlimited resources to influence elections, while I, who made Hillary

The Movie using corporate funds for roughly .03% of the budget, could be put in prison for airing the documentary?"It's been said that corporations are nothing more than groups of people with a common interest. Are we to say groups of people cannot express their political views? Remember, Unions and other liberal groups will also benefit from this ruling upholding freedom of speech. So the net effect will be neutral.Bye bye to a bad law.JeffFrom: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 2:46:06 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Re: Was ZICAM - Now: Very Off Topic- 1st Admendment

Correct... the threat is from the unholy alliance *between* *some* bigbusinesses and big government.What ends up being created is an artificial monopoly (Can you sayMonsanto? Big Pharma/AMA/FDA/FTC/etc? Military/Industrial complex?).This is the result of giving these corporations the same 'Rights' aspeople, combined with special legislated 'privileges' that areessentially more powerful even the natural Rights we are all born with.-- Best regards,

[Guest guest]

Well the influence of any big unions should not be a issue to debate they are

all gone bye bye. USW UAW Teamsters Traffic Controllers Union gone gone gone, or

if not might as well be. The unions have no money. You really think this will

only affect some small one sided movie maker be it left be it right. Ok leaving

this alone now for me my Granddaddy always said not to talk religion or

politics.

--- In , Jeff Maahs <j_maahs@...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> Bossie (http://tinyurl.com/ycu6gyv) is right when he says: " Almost every

major media outlet in the country is owned by a corporation and most of them

advocate for or against candidates via endorsements,

> opinion columns, or politically-oriented programming. Why should

> General Electric, which owns MSNBC, be permitted to use its nearly

> unlimited resources to influence elections, while I, who made Hillary The

Movie using corporate funds for roughly .03% of the budget,

> could be put in prison for airing the documentary? "

>

> It's been said that corporations are nothing more than groups of people with a

common

> interest. Are we to say groups of people cannot express their political

> views? Remember, Unions and other liberal groups will also benefit from this

ruling upholding freedom of speech. So the net effect will be neutral.

>

> Bye bye to a bad law.

>

> Jeff

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 2:46:06 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Was ZICAM - Now: Very Off Topic-

1st Admendment

>

>

> Correct... the threat is from the unholy alliance *between* *some* big

> businesses and big government.

>

> What ends up being created is an artificial monopoly (Can you say

> Monsanto? Big Pharma/AMA/FDA/FTC/etc? Military/Industrial complex?).

>

> This is the result of giving these corporations the same 'Rights' as

> people, combined with special legislated 'privileges' that are

> essentially more powerful even the natural Rights we are all born with.

>

> --

>

> Best regards,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Get the book Codeword: Barbelon by P.D. Stuart or go to www.vaticanassassins.org to find the same culprits that for centuries have destroyed country after country.

Re: [ ] Re: Was ZICAM - Now: Very Off Topic- 1st AdmendmentCorrect... the threat is from the unholy alliance *between* *some* bigbusinesses and big government.What ends up being created is an artificial monopoly (Can you sayMonsanto? Big Pharma/AMA/FDA/FTC/etc? Military/Industrial complex?).This is the result of giving these corporations the same 'Rights' aspeople, combined with special legislated 'privileges' that areessentially more powerful even the natural Rights we are all born with.-- Best regards,

[Guest guest]

Maybe somebody should start a whole new (conspiracy) list so we here on this list can get back to discussing MMS.BetsyFrom: Keycross <crossshapedkeys@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Was ZICAM - Now: Very Off Topic- 1st Admendment Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 6:46 PM

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Re: [ ] Re: Was ZICAM - Now: Very Off Topic- 1st AdmendmentCorrect... the threat is from the unholy alliance *between* *some* bigbusinesses and big government.What ends up being created is an artificial monopoly (Can you sayMonsanto? Big Pharma/AMA/FDA/FTC/etc? Military/Industrial complex?).This is the result of giving these corporations the same 'Rights' aspeople, combined with special legislated 'privileges' that areessentially more powerful even the natural Rights we are all born with.-- Best regards,