Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 TOPIC TWO.\ http://mmsnews.org/NEWS004.htm What Foods in the Stomach Harm MMS Benefits? People often inquire about the foods they should avoid when taking MMS. Jim's reply in general was " don't worry about it. " If one food or another diminishes the MMS benefit by 5% or 20%, who cares? The next dose will make up for it. And now that we recommend small doses to be taken often, the food issue matters even less. BUT IF YOU MUST KNOW, undigested meat would be the primary culprit. Remember, ClO2 is attracted to whatever has electrons available to be ripped away. Normal living cells are nicely encapsulated and they present no attraction to ClO2. But dead cooked meat is attractive to ClO2 ions and gas. And since you asked, junk foods diminish MMS NOT AT ALL. Potato chips, donuts, peanuts, and rich icings on double rich chocolate fudge cake won't harm the effectiveness of MMS. (Sorry, but truth-seekers among us would not allow this information to be withheld, however damaging it might be on the nutritional side.) The basis for the lower dosage suggestions are in Jim's most important web page here: http://JimHumble.biz/biz-fundamentals.htm If everyone understood Jim's clear teaching on this page, you would be able to design and test your own dosage strategies without dependence on others. Please read Jim's clearest and latest writing at his web site. --- In , " Chad " <cichlidfanatic@...> wrote: > > Today I started the HCG diet. Does anyone know if MMS will have any kind of effect, positive or negative with this diet. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Hello Healinghope, There seems to be some mixed information on this. Dr. Hesselink, after reviewing the scientific information on chlorine dioxide, has this to say about incompatibilities: " There are important substance-oxidant incompatibilities which must now be addressed. Various classes of substances must not be present in the stomach at the time of the acidified sodium chlorite treatment, if any beneficial results are to be expected. Of paramount importance is the avoidance of antioxidants together with the treatment. Antioxidants are usually thiol compounds or phenolic compounds, which can specifically eliminate chlorine dioxide. Chlorine dioxide is used in industry to specifically target and to destroy thiols and phenols, because they readily react together and destroy each other. Examples of chlorine dioxide quenching compounds are: N-acetyl-L-cysteine, glutathione, alpha-lipoic acid, ascorbic acid, polyphenols, tocopherols, bioflavonoids, anthocyanidins, benzaldehyde, cinnamaldehyde, juice concentrates and many herbal remedies. Most fruits especially grapes and berries are rich sources of polyphenolic antioxidants. Examples of herbs rich in antioxidant polyphenols are: chocolate, tea, coffee, turmeric, silymarin, licorice, ginkgo, olive. Sulfur rich foods also eliminate chlorine dioxide if present in the stomach at the time of treatment. Examples include: garlic, onion, leek, asparagus, beans, peas, egg, milk and even white potatoe (due to alpha-lipoic acid). Protein must also not be present in the stomach at the time of treatment. Proteins are made of amino acids which present an abundance of phenols, organic sulfides, thiols and secondary amines, which react with and eliminate chlorine dioxide on contact. L-tyrosine has a phenol group. L-methionine is a sulfide. L-cysteine is a thiol. L-tryptophan, L-proline and L-histidine have secondary amino groups. Certain B-complex vitamins are similarly reactive such as: thiamine, riboflavin, folate, pantothenate. Finally many drugs contain secondary amines, tertiary amines, thiols, sulfides or phenols. Under physician direction these may also need to be identified and withheld on the day of treatment or at least not taken at the time of treatment. While antioxidants and vitamin supplements are generally speaking healthy for preventive and longevity purposes, and while these are beneficial in the treatment of many chronic diseases, these are incompatible at the moment of the acidified sodium chlorite treatment. Therefore, fruit, fruit juices, fruit concentrates, wines, green drinks, herbs, protein, most vitamins and most drugs should not be taken at the time of treatment and certainly not mixed with the acidified sodium chlorite solution. If these principles are not respected, little if any oxidants will survive to kill pathogens and no benefit should be expected. If a person already ate some incompatible food such as protein or fruit prior to a scheduled treatment, then they must wait at least four hours for these items to pass through the stomach before taking the treatment. The next day after treatment the above described incompatible substances can be resumed. Protein could probably be eaten as soon as 3 hours after treatment. Anyone who claims success taking fruit juices with acidified sodium chlorite has succeeded in spite of this quenching problem. Higher and higher doses of oxidants would have to be administered to get past the antioxidants. If someone is already apparently tolerating especially high doses of oxides of chlorine, because these oxidants are being taken with antioxidants, then such a person is at risk of oxidant overdose if the concomittent antioxidants are suddenly stopped. The most appropriate action would be to hold the antioxidants and to back down to a much lower dose of the oxidants. Nutrient poor white starches on the other hand may be present in the stomach at the time of treatment. These may even be taken with or mixed with the diluted solution. These do not react readily with chlorine dioxide. Examples of allowable junky starchy foods are: white bread, casava, grits, white wheat pasta, white rice, saltines. Note that white potatoes are not included in this list because they are rich in alpha-lipoic acid a sulfur based antioxidant. Even though most sulfur compounds react with chlorine dioxide, oxidized sulfur compounds such as DMSO, MSM, taurine or sulfate are probably not reactive. Pending further knowledge it seems likely that carotenoids and polyunsaturated fatty acids do not quench chlorine dioxide. " http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXprot.htm One test I ran on this involved mixing up a 5 drop dose and then placing a bite of whole wheat pancake into it. The pancake was cooked and had some butter and maple syrup on it. 5 drops of 22.4% sodium chlorite were put into a glass and 25 drops of 10% citric acid were added to activate it. After 3 minutes, 125 ml of water was added. This solution has a concentration of about 30 PPM free chlorine dioxide. The bite of pancake was added and left to soak for 2 minutes, then the concentration of chlorine dioxide was measured. I found that a single bite of pancake (9 grams) reduced the concentration of chlorine dioxide by 90%. That single bite reduced the concentration of chlorine dioxide from 30 PPM to 3 PPM. I don't know if Jim Humble would consider pancakes as junk food, but they do contain protein and chlorine dioxide reacts with protein. I suppose if you ate foods that had no protein they may not have a great impact on the chlorine dioxide concentration, but even potato chips have some protein and peanuts have a lot. A person could rig up a crude test for this. If you mixed up a 5 drop dose in a glass and set it aside to compare to, and then mixed up another glass of a 5 drop dose, you could dip food into the second glass, let it soak for a few minutes, and then remove it and compare the yellow color intensity. If the yellow is pale compared to the first glass, some of the chlorine dioxide has been used up. Tom --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...> wrote: > > TOPIC TWO.\ > http://mmsnews.org/NEWS004.htm > What Foods in the Stomach Harm MMS Benefits? People often inquire about the foods they should avoid when taking MMS. Jim's reply in general was " don't worry about it. " If one food or another diminishes the MMS benefit by 5% or 20%, who cares? The next dose will make up for it. And now that we recommend small doses to be taken often, the food issue matters even less. > > BUT IF YOU MUST KNOW, undigested meat would be the primary culprit. Remember, ClO2 is attracted to whatever has electrons available to be ripped away. Normal living cells are nicely encapsulated and they present no attraction to ClO2. But dead cooked meat is attractive to ClO2 ions and gas. And since you asked, junk foods diminish MMS NOT AT ALL. Potato chips, donuts, peanuts, and rich icings on double rich chocolate fudge cake won't harm the effectiveness of MMS. (Sorry, but truth-seekers among us would not allow this information to be withheld, however damaging it might be on the nutritional side.) > > The basis for the lower dosage suggestions are in Jim's most important web page here: http://JimHumble.biz/biz-fundamentals.htm If everyone understood Jim's clear teaching on this page, you would be able to design and test your own dosage strategies without dependence on others. Please read Jim's clearest and latest writing at his web site. > > > --- In , " Chad " <cichlidfanatic@> wrote: > > > > Today I started the HCG diet. Does anyone know if MMS will have any kind of effect, positive or negative with this diet. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Silver very interesting thanks for sharing this. I think with Humbles writings he emphasizes that with the new protocol of less drops more frequencies the food is not as much issue. But for one doing a strict protocol for serious disease this information could be very useful. > > Hello Healinghope, > > There seems to be some mixed information on this. > > Dr. Hesselink, after reviewing the scientific information on chlorine dioxide, has this to say about incompatibilities: > > " There are important substance-oxidant incompatibilities which must now be addressed. Various classes of substances must not be present in the stomach at the time of the acidified sodium chlorite treatment, if any beneficial results are to be expected. Of paramount importance is the avoidance of antioxidants together with the treatment. Antioxidants are usually thiol compounds or phenolic compounds, which can specifically eliminate chlorine dioxide. Chlorine dioxide is used in industry to specifically target and to destroy thiols and phenols, because they readily react together and destroy each other. Examples of chlorine dioxide quenching compounds are: N-acetyl-L-cysteine, glutathione, alpha-lipoic acid, ascorbic acid, polyphenols, tocopherols, bioflavonoids, anthocyanidins, benzaldehyde, cinnamaldehyde, juice concentrates and many herbal remedies. Most fruits especially grapes and berries are rich sources of polyphenolic antioxidants. Examples of herbs rich in antioxidant polyphenols are: chocolate, tea, coffee, turmeric, silymarin, licorice, ginkgo, olive. Sulfur rich foods also eliminate chlorine dioxide if present in the stomach at the time of treatment. Examples include: garlic, onion, leek, asparagus, beans, peas, egg, milk and even white potatoe (due to alpha-lipoic acid). Protein must also not be present in the stomach at the time of treatment. Proteins are made of amino acids which present an abundance of phenols, organic sulfides, thiols and secondary amines, which react with and eliminate chlorine dioxide on contact. L-tyrosine has a phenol group. L-methionine is a sulfide. L-cysteine is a thiol. L-tryptophan, L-proline and L-histidine have secondary amino groups. Certain B-complex vitamins are similarly reactive such as: thiamine, riboflavin, folate, pantothenate. Finally many drugs contain secondary amines, tertiary amines, thiols, sulfides or phenols. Under physician direction these may also need to be identified and withheld on the day of treatment or at least not taken at the time of treatment. While antioxidants and vitamin supplements are generally speaking healthy for preventive and longevity purposes, and while these are beneficial in the treatment of many chronic diseases, these are incompatible at the moment of the acidified sodium chlorite treatment. Therefore, fruit, fruit juices, fruit concentrates, wines, green drinks, herbs, protein, most vitamins and most drugs should not be taken at the time of treatment and certainly not mixed with the acidified sodium chlorite solution. If these principles are not respected, little if any oxidants will survive to kill pathogens and no benefit should be expected. > > If a person already ate some incompatible food such as protein or fruit prior to a scheduled treatment, then they must wait at least four hours for these items to pass through the stomach before taking the treatment. The next day after treatment the above described incompatible substances can be resumed. Protein could probably be eaten as soon as 3 hours after treatment. > > Anyone who claims success taking fruit juices with acidified sodium chlorite has succeeded in spite of this quenching problem. Higher and higher doses of oxidants would have to be administered to get past the antioxidants. If someone is already apparently tolerating especially high doses of oxides of chlorine, because these oxidants are being taken with antioxidants, then such a person is at risk of oxidant overdose if the concomittent antioxidants are suddenly stopped. The most appropriate action would be to hold the antioxidants and to back down to a much lower dose of the oxidants. > > Nutrient poor white starches on the other hand may be present in the stomach at the time of treatment. These may even be taken with or mixed with the diluted solution. These do not react readily with chlorine dioxide. Examples of allowable junky starchy foods are: white bread, casava, grits, white wheat pasta, white rice, saltines. Note that white potatoes are not included in this list because they are rich in alpha-lipoic acid a sulfur based antioxidant. Even though most sulfur compounds react with chlorine dioxide, oxidized sulfur compounds such as DMSO, MSM, taurine or sulfate are probably not reactive. Pending further knowledge it seems likely that carotenoids and polyunsaturated fatty acids do not quench chlorine dioxide. " > > http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXprot.htm > > One test I ran on this involved mixing up a 5 drop dose and then placing a bite of whole wheat pancake into it. The pancake was cooked and had some butter and maple syrup on it. 5 drops of 22.4% sodium chlorite were put into a glass and 25 drops of 10% citric acid were added to activate it. After 3 minutes, 125 ml of water was added. This solution has a concentration of about 30 PPM free chlorine dioxide. > > The bite of pancake was added and left to soak for 2 minutes, then the concentration of chlorine dioxide was measured. I found that a single bite of pancake (9 grams) reduced the concentration of chlorine dioxide by 90%. That single bite reduced the concentration of chlorine dioxide from 30 PPM to 3 PPM. > > I don't know if Jim Humble would consider pancakes as junk food, but they do contain protein and chlorine dioxide reacts with protein. I suppose if you ate foods that had no protein they may not have a great impact on the chlorine dioxide concentration, but even potato chips have some protein and peanuts have a lot. > > A person could rig up a crude test for this. If you mixed up a 5 drop dose in a glass and set it aside to compare to, and then mixed up another glass of a 5 drop dose, you could dip food into the second glass, let it soak for a few minutes, and then remove it and compare the yellow color intensity. If the yellow is pale compared to the first glass, some of the chlorine dioxide has been used up. > > Tom > > > > --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@> wrote: > > > > TOPIC TWO.\ > > http://mmsnews.org/NEWS004.htm > > What Foods in the Stomach Harm MMS Benefits? People often inquire about the foods they should avoid when taking MMS. Jim's reply in general was " don't worry about it. " If one food or another diminishes the MMS benefit by 5% or 20%, who cares? The next dose will make up for it. And now that we recommend small doses to be taken often, the food issue matters even less. > > > > BUT IF YOU MUST KNOW, undigested meat would be the primary culprit. Remember, ClO2 is attracted to whatever has electrons available to be ripped away. Normal living cells are nicely encapsulated and they present no attraction to ClO2. But dead cooked meat is attractive to ClO2 ions and gas. And since you asked, junk foods diminish MMS NOT AT ALL. Potato chips, donuts, peanuts, and rich icings on double rich chocolate fudge cake won't harm the effectiveness of MMS. (Sorry, but truth-seekers among us would not allow this information to be withheld, however damaging it might be on the nutritional side.) > > > > The basis for the lower dosage suggestions are in Jim's most important web page here: http://JimHumble.biz/biz-fundamentals.htm If everyone understood Jim's clear teaching on this page, you would be able to design and test your own dosage strategies without dependence on others. Please read Jim's clearest and latest writing at his web site. > > > > > > --- In , " Chad " <cichlidfanatic@> wrote: > > > > > > Today I started the HCG diet. Does anyone know if MMS will have any kind of effect, positive or negative with this diet. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Hi, I have a couple of MMS1 questions. 1. Do you absolutely have to take it on an empty stomach? 2. How long before or after meals do you have to wait?3. Has anyone known it to help stop or reverse, diabetes and diabetic neuropathy? I have a very odd schedule, so I have had my MMSS1 for weeks, but have not been able to start it. knowing that I could take small, frequent doses could help reduce the threat of diarreha. I am a courier, so diarreha is a real problem on the road. :-) Thanks! ~Rod Akron, OH [ ] Re: HCG diet Silver very interesting thanks for sharing this. I think with Humbles writings he emphasizes that with the new protocol of less drops more frequencies the food is not as much issue. But for one doing a strict protocol for serious disease this information could be very useful. > > >> > > Today I started the HCG diet. Does anyone know if MMS will have any kind of effect, positive or negative with this diet.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 I see the post below by Dr.Hesselink answered some of my questions, as far as food, etc. However, if the effect only last an hour or two, why would we have to wait four hours as he suggests? ~Rod [ ] Re: HCG diet Silver very interesting thanks for sharing this. I think with Humbles writings he emphasizes that with the new protocol of less drops more frequencies the food is not as much issue. But for one doing a strict protocol for serious disease this information could be very useful. > > >> > > Today I started the HCG diet. Does anyone know if MMS will have any kind of effect, positive or negative with this diet.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Hello Rod, Chlorine dioxide solutions are more effective if they aren't neutralized by food or waste in the GI tract. When you eat and then drink some of the solution, you will disinfect all the food you just ate and then if there is any chlorine dioxide left over, it may then enter your body. The best information and science indicates that it is best on an empty stomach. Food takes about 4 hours to work its way through your system. Chlorine dioxide lasts a few minutes inside the body. This would indicate that you should not take it until 4 hours after eating, but you can eat a few minutes after taking it. If you can identify what bacteria, fungus, or virus is responsible for diabetes or diabetic neuropothy, I can tell you what concentrations and contact times are necessary to kill them. I have not been able to find a link between the cause of diabetes and bacteria, fungus, and viruses. If you want to start slow, simply put 0.625 ml (about 1/8 teaspoon) of the 22.4% sodium chlorite into a 1 liter water bottle and fill it up with water. Let this sit at room temperature for 24 hours out of direct sunlight, then you can throw it into the refrigerator if you like cold water. Or, you can drink it at room temperature. Simply sip on this throughout the day. Keep in mind that the 22.4% sodium chlorite solution is dangerous to handle so make sure you take all of the safety precautions associated with handling industrial strength chemicals. A safer option would be to dilute it down to a much safer to handle 5% solution. When using the 5% sodium chlorite solution you would put 2.8 ml (a heaping 1/2 teaspoon) into 1 liter of water. This solution has a concentration of about 84 PPM available chlorine dioxide. The activation is done with the water, and only trace amounts of chlorine dioxide are released. Since the PH is neutral, and there is no extra acid involved with it, you should experience no adverse side effects. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Hello Rod, It takes 4 hours to clear the food out of your GI tract. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 yes it does if gerd longer lymeover On Sat Apr 10th, 2010 8:27 PM PDT silverfox_science wrote: > >Hello Rod, > >It takes 4 hours to clear the food out of your GI tract. > >Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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