Re: MMS and Helicobacter

[Guest guest]

Hello Arie,

Heliocobacter pylori is a tough bacteria that has a CT value of 2000 when using

chlorine dioxide to kill it.

You should probably mix up a disinfectant spray and do a complete cleaning

followed by sanitizing around the house. This will minimize or eliminate

re-infection. To mix up a sanitizing solution to use you should put 15 ml of 5%

sodium chlorite into a glass, add 15 ml of 10% citric acid to activate, let the

activation continue for 10 minutes, then put this in a spray bottle and add

enough water to make a total of 500 ml.

Spray liberally on surfaces and let air dry. That solution will have about 900

PPM available chlorine dioxide with about 90 PPM of that as free chlorine

dioxide. If it takes about 22 minutes to dry, you should be able to completely

eliminate the heliocobacter bacteria for that would give you the CT of 2000 for

a complete kill. If it dries a little quicker, it would still knock it down

quite a bit.

To make a 5% solution of sodium chlorite from a 22.4% solution you would put 28

ml of the 22.4% sodium chlorite solution into a measuring device, and add enough

water to make a total of 125 ml.

Strong solutions can be made from both the 22.4% and the 5% sodium chlorite

solutions. If you find the solution too strong, simply cut back on the amount

used. The 22.4% concentration has 224000 PPM of available chlorine dioxide in

it. The 5% concentration has 50000 PPM of available chlorine dioxide in it. In

wilderness water treatment we use a 4 PPM free chlorine dioxide concentration.

In a liter of water it is much easier to work with the 5% sodium chlorite

solution, and it is very capable of yielding a 4 PPM concentration. On the

other hand a city water system may treat several million liters of water a day,

in this case the industrial strength 22.4% sodium chlorite solution makes more

sense.

Tom

--- In , Arie Alon <maculeleh@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello Tom,

>

> After two series of taking MMS during 5 weeks (first with the old protocol and

the second with the new) it did not help much with Helicobacter.

>

> One reason may be that it is very contagious, and I may get reinfected by

other family members while sharing food.

>

> About 70% of the world population seem to have this bug. 60% of them don't

have any sympythoms and the rest feel very bad.

>

> So I was thinking of taking the MMS 5% for a longer period of time, because

the MMS 28% was too strong on my stomach when taking over a long period of time.

>

> If I remember well from a previous mail reply, which I cannot find now, I can

get a 5% solution as follows:

>

> In a clean glass of water I put one drop of MMS 28% and immediately add 4

drops of distilled water.

>

> Then I add 5 drops of 10% citric acid.

>

> Is this correct?

>

> What would be the best way in treating Helicobacter and not getting

re-infected, if this is actually what is happening.

>

> As discussed a lot here, it seems to be a good option to take breaks with MMS

in oder not to over-oxidize.

>

> Thanks

>

> Arie

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Tom,

1. "To make a 5% solution of sodium chlorite from a 22.4% solution you would put 28 ml of the 22.4% sodium chlorite solution into a measuring device, and add enough water to make a total of 125 ml."

Do you mean that the amount of water added is 125 - 28 = 97 ml? Distilled water, right?

2. What would be the protocol for Helicobacter with a 5% solution? How many drops? How many times a day? And for how long?

Thanks/Arie

From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 4:53:54 AMSubject: [ ] Re: MMS and Helicobacter

Hello Arie,Heliocobacter pylori is a tough bacteria that has a CT value of 2000 when using chlorine dioxide to kill it. You should probably mix up a disinfectant spray and do a complete cleaning followed by sanitizing around the house. This will minimize or eliminate re-infection. To mix up a sanitizing solution to use you should put 15 ml of 5% sodium chlorite into a glass, add 15 ml of 10% citric acid to activate, let the activation continue for 10 minutes, then put this in a spray bottle and add enough water to make a total of 500 ml.Spray liberally on surfaces and let air dry. That solution will have about 900 PPM available chlorine dioxide with about 90 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. If it takes about 22 minutes to dry, you should be able to completely eliminate the heliocobacter bacteria for that would give you the CT of 2000 for a complete kill. If it dries a little quicker, it would still knock it down quite a

bit.To make a 5% solution of sodium chlorite from a 22.4% solution you would put 28 ml of the 22.4% sodium chlorite solution into a measuring device, and add enough water to make a total of 125 ml.Strong solutions can be made from both the 22.4% and the 5% sodium chlorite solutions. If you find the solution too strong, simply cut back on the amount used. The 22.4% concentration has 224000 PPM of available chlorine dioxide in it. The 5% concentration has 50000 PPM of available chlorine dioxide in it. In wilderness water treatment we use a 4 PPM free chlorine dioxide concentration. In a liter of water it is much easier to work with the 5% sodium chlorite solution, and it is very capable of yielding a 4 PPM concentration. On the other hand a city water system may treat several million liters of water a day, in this case the industrial strength 22.4% sodium chlorite solution makes more sense.Tom>> Hello Tom,> > After two series of taking MMS during 5 weeks (first with the old protocol and the second with the new) it did not help much with Helicobacter.> > One reason may be that it is very contagious, and I may get reinfected by other family members while sharing food.> > About 70% of the world population seem to have this bug. 60% of them don't have any sympythoms and the rest feel very bad.> > So I was thinking of taking the MMS 5% for a longer period of time, because the MMS 28% was too strong on my stomach when taking over a long period of time.> > If I remember well from a previous mail reply, which I cannot find

now, I can get a 5% solution as follows:> > In a clean glass of water I put one drop of MMS 28% and immediately add 4 drops of distilled water.> > Then I add 5 drops of 10% citric acid.> > Is this correct?> > What would be the best way in treating Helicobacter and not getting re-infected, if this is actually what is happening.> > As discussed a lot here, it seems to be a good option to take breaks with MMS in oder not to over-oxidize.> > Thanks> > Arie>

Hello

[Guest guest]

Hello Arie,

Your calculations are correct and yes use distilled water.

I don't have a protocol for Helicobacter inside the body. The body can't

withstand the oxidation of a chlorine dioxide solution strong enough to provide

the CT of 2000, so you will have to concentrate on boosting your natural immune

system, eliminating toxins from the body, and let your body naturally fight it.

One of the best methods of removing toxins from the body is to drink lots of

pure water, however you need to keep an eye on your electrolytes while doing

this.

You can help things along by keeping the bacteria from being spread and

eliminating re-infection as we discussed earlier.

Tom

--- In , Arie Alon <maculeleh@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello Tom,

>

>  1. " To make a 5% solution of sodium chlorite from a 22.4% solution you would

put 28 ml of the 22.4% sodium chlorite solution into a measuring device, and add

enough water to make a total of 125 ml. "

>

> Do you mean that the amount of water added is 125 - 28 = 97 ml? Distilled

water, right?

>

> 2. What would be the protocol for Helicobacter with a 5% solution? How many

drops? How many times a day? And for how long?

>

> Thanks/Arie

[Guest guest]

Hello Tom,

But Helicobacter lives in the stomach lining. Wouldn't this mean that Chlorine dioxide would have direct contact with the bug? Therefore making the CT value irrelevant in this case?

Maybe you can give a more detailed explanation on what CT is. I've asked a MD doctor in alternative medicine and he didn't know what I was talking about.

Also someone has just reported a few mails below that MMS is helping with Hepatitis C with a CT of 5000,

Thanks

Arie

From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 8:06:09 PMSubject: [ ] Re: MMS and Helicobacter

Hello Arie,Your calculations are correct and yes use distilled water.I don't have a protocol for Helicobacter inside the body. The body can't withstand the oxidation of a chlorine dioxide solution strong enough to provide the CT of 2000, so you will have to concentrate on boosting your natural immune system, eliminating toxins from the body, and let your body naturally fight it. One of the best methods of removing toxins from the body is to drink lots of pure water, however you need to keep an eye on your electrolytes while doing this.You can help things along by keeping the bacteria from being spread and eliminating re-infection as we discussed earlier.Tom--- In miracle_mineral_ supplement, Arie Alon <maculeleh@. ..>

wrote:>> Hello Tom,> > Â 1. "To make a 5% solution of sodium chlorite from a 22.4% solution you would put 28 ml of the 22.4% sodium chlorite solution into a measuring device, and add enough water to make a total of 125 ml."> > Do you mean that the amount of water added is 125 - 28 = 97 ml? Distilled water, right?> > 2. What would be the protocol for Helicobacter with a 5% solution? How many drops? How many times a day? And for how long?> > Thanks/Arie

[Guest guest]

Hello Arie,

CT values are never irrelevant... That is the way that oxidizers work,

including chlorine dioxide. Medical professionals work in therapeutic doses

which is related.

Here is an example... If a person has a headache they may want to take some

aspirin for it. If they weigh 250 pounds and only take a baby aspirin, it may

not have much effect. However, if they take a couple of extra strength tablets

the effect then becomes noticeable. In this case the concentration needed was

more than a baby aspirin could provide. Now, if this same person took 4 extra

strength tablets the time to notice relief may be reduced. I don't know if it

would be cut in half, but if it did this would illustrate how CT works. If it

takes 15 minutes to get relief using 4 tablets and 30 minutes with 2 tablets,

you can see that double the concentration reduced the time to relief. In this

example the Concentration is the amount of tablets and the Time is the amount of

time to find relief.

When working with oxidizers, C stands for the concentration in PPM, and T stands

for the time it has to be in contact with the pathogen, in minutes. These CT

values are based upon laboratory testing on surfaces. If you spread some

Helicobacter bacteria on a surface and mix up a 500 PPM free chlorine dioxide

solution, it would take 4 minutes to reduce it 99.999%. In this case we are

looking at chlorine dioxide. Chlorine, ozone, H2O2, and UV light will all have

different CT values.

Chlorine dioxide works by coming into contact with pathogens. If it doesn't

make contact, it doesn't work.

Now, you can mix up a strong solution and induce diarrhea and shed the mucous

lining in your stomach and colon, and you may find some relief that way. You

may even be able to do this simply by taking citric acid and eliminating the

sodium chlorite. I don't know about this, but it may be worth consideration.

The acid should be able to " burn " off the mucous of the stomach lining,

resulting in diarrhea, and then you can take measure to rebuild the mucous

lining. The MMS protocol has a lot of excess citric acid involved with it, so

that is where this theory stems from. I have never tried this, and don't

recommend it.

The problem inside the body is that the fluids are full of " body stuff. " The

mouth and throat have mucous, the stomach had left over food and mucous, the

colon has waste and mucous, the blood has iron, red and white blood cells, along

with any pathogens that may be there. Chlorine dioxide is quickly reduced to

chlorite in the body. Chlorite acts like a free radical and travels around

oxidizing whatever it contacts. A chlorous acid solution may hold together long

enough to actually deliver some chlorine dioxide to the pathogens, and that is

the most probable reason this stuff works internally at all.

It does seem to help some people in some cases.

Another possibility is that the concentration of the pathogen in the body is

just above what the bodies immune system can deal with. A CT of 10 will kill

off some of the pathogens, just not all of them. This may bring the

concentrations of pathogens down to a point where the body can deal with them.

In the example I gave above, the baby aspirin may take the edge off, but won't

fully deal with the headache.

It is well know how chlorine dioxide and other oxidizers work. Unfortunately,

it is not known how chlorous acid works inside the body. MMS forms chlorous

acid with some free chlorine dioxide. The chlorine dioxide is basically used up

inside the mouth, leaving the chlorous acid, and in the case of MMS the extra

citric acid, to do the work in the body.

There is one study that I am aware of where unactivated sodium chlorate,

different from MMS but in the same family, was used to reduce the bacteria in

the GI tract of chickens. They were given water with sodium chlorate in it 48

hours before slaughter and during slaughter had lower levels of E coli in the GI

tract. There are no studies using a chlorous acid solution like what is

generated using MMS in humans. The best we can do is speculate based upon the

science of chlorine dioxide and acidified sodium chlorite.

If you were to try to purify a body in the same manner as water treatment plants

purify water, you would first have to determine the oxidation demand, then you

would use enough oxidation to take care of the demand and have some left over as

a residual. In water treatment filtering is used to remove the large particles,

and this reduces the oxidation demand so you can use less oxidants. However, a

body needs red and white blood cells in order to survive. If we filtered all of

those out, we could add enough chlorine dioxide solution to maintain a residual

and the blood plasma would be disinfected of all pathogens.

There is actually a patient for disinfecting blood outside of the body that does

this. They only work with plasma and remove everything else. Now that all of

the big particles are out of the way, only a small amount of chlorine dioxide is

needed to purify the plasma of Hepatitis C and HIV.

In the same way you could purify the GI tract. If you could do a colonoscopy

preparation to completely clean out the colon, you may be able to do this. You

would simply keep drinking a chlorine dioxide solution until you can measure a

residual chlorine dioxide when you urinate or have diarrhea. However, drinking

high concentration chlorine dioxide solutions results in chlorine dioxide

poisoning. This is manifested by nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea.

It is wonderful that MMS works for some people in some cases. We just don't

know how it works and what is going on with it inside the body.

Outside the body it's very straightforward. You identify the pathogen you are

trying to eliminate, look up the CT value, and then you have to determine the

skin's sensitivity to the concentration and PH needed to kill the pathogen.

Some skin is very sensitive to PH and some skin has a negative reaction to

citric acid. Other skin is tougher and can almost anything you can throw at it.

In the case of hives and psoriasis, you have to PH balance the solution and it

works best to deal with only chlorine dioxide and water.

To make this type of solution you would activate sodium chlorite, then seal the

container and blow air into it so that it bubbled through the solution. The

outlet would be channeled into another container and the air from the first

container would bubble through water in the second container. As you introduce

air into the first solution, the chlorine dioxide is released from that

solution, leaving behind all the impurities. This chlorine dioxide air travels

over to the second container and as the air travels through the water, it

releases the chlorine dioxide.

You end up with a PH neutral solution containing only chlorine dioxide and

water. All of the studies you read on chlorine dioxide testing in animals and

humans use chlorine dioxide prepared this way.

When you use too high a concentration of chlorine dioxide you make skin issues

worse. When your skin is sensitive to the impurities in chlorous acid, you make

skin issues worse. When you get the solution PH balanced and at just the right

concentration, the skin heals. One of the key factors to this is being able to

recognize the signs of oxidative stress.

Chlorine dioxide is a broad spectrum disinfectant. Antibiotics are manufactured

to target specific pathogens. Both have there place, and neither are perfect.

Tom

--- In , Arie Alon <maculeleh@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello Tom,

>

> But Helicobacter lives in the stomach lining. Wouldn't this mean that Chlorine

dioxide would have direct contact with the bug? Therefore making the CT value

irrelevant in this case?

> Maybe you can give a more detailed explanation on what CT is. I've asked a MD

doctor in alternative medicine and he didn't know what I was talking about.

> Also someone has just reported a few mails below that MMS is helping with

Hepatitis C with a CT of 5000,

>

> Thanks

>

> Arie