Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Just finished reading this paper .... very interesting approach. Has anyone considered using MMS2 instead of the straight MMS? Cashew > > Details of " MMS-LITE " , claimed as a super and spectacular improvement over normal MMS1, by Roi is here. > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/26970402 > > I just come across this link by simple search in 'Scribd'. > Here is weblog of Roi giving his day-today experiences with MMS-Lite. > http://houseofbugs.com/weblog/?site_id=309 > > If it is really as it is claimed by the author, it can be surely a good breakthrough.I wish some of us can try and check the validity of the claims. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 On 2010-02-19 10:25 PM, KGR wrote: > Details of " MMS-LITE " , claimed as a super and spectacular improvement > over normal MMS1, by Roi is here. > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/26970402 > > I just come across this link by simple search in 'Scribd'. Here is > weblog of Roi giving his day-today experiences with MMS-Lite. > http://houseofbugs.com/weblog/?site_id=309 > > If it is really as it is claimed by the author, it can be surely a > good breakthrough.I wish some of us can try and check the validity of > the claims. This is the second time this has been posted about. Until 'Roy' comes clean about precisely what MMS-Lite is, I'll consider it pure hype - especially since there is an ad at the top of the web page selling MMS for $20 for 4 OUNCES, which is outrageously expensive. I think its probably just a diluted solution of MMS and he's scamming people. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Your skepticism is noted, however he describes not only his thinking but the process in this paper. Personally, I think it deserves a second look ....... objective. > > Details of " MMS-LITE " , claimed as a super and spectacular improvement > > over normal MMS1, by Roi is here. > > > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/26970402 > > > > I just come across this link by simple search in 'Scribd'. Here is > > weblog of Roi giving his day-today experiences with MMS-Lite. > > http://houseofbugs.com/weblog/?site_id=309 > > > > If it is really as it is claimed by the author, it can be surely a > > good breakthrough.I wish some of us can try and check the validity of > > the claims. > > This is the second time this has been posted about. > > Until 'Roy' comes clean about precisely what MMS-Lite is, I'll consider > it pure hype - especially since there is an ad at the top of the web > page selling MMS for $20 for 4 OUNCES, which is outrageously expensive. > > I think its probably just a diluted solution of MMS and he's scamming > people. > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Probably you have not gone into the link and read the contents.Initially,like you, I was also skeptical about his claims. But after going through the link,( http://www.scribd.com/doc/26970402 ) it is very clear that he gives detailed account of what he does.Someone has posted the details in Scribd. I request you to go through the link and come to whatever conclusion. Thanks and regards KGR --- In , Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> wrote: > This is the second time this has been posted about. > > Until 'Roy' comes clean about precisely what MMS-Lite is, I'll consider > it pure hype - especially since there is an ad at the top of the web > page selling MMS for $20 for 4 OUNCES, which is outrageously expensive. > > I think its probably just a diluted solution of MMS and he's scamming > people. > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Here is the best recipe I have found same principal with cell food added, or if one can't afford use cell salts. Take cell salts as instructed under tongue do not add to MSM MMS water. Also I would use glass not plastic. To make a bottle of " MSM MMS water " do the following: 1) Get a one gallon bottle (i.e. slightly less than 4 liters) of distilled water and pour a little out. It would be BEST for the gallon bottle to be a dark colored GLASS bottle. If you have to order a dark glass gallon container, go ahead and use a water jug from the grocery store until you can transfer it to a dark colored GLASS bottle. 2) With the distilled water at room temperature, put 10 LEVEL TABLEspoons of MSM in the jug. 3) Shake the bottle several times over a 15 minute time period. 4) After about 15 minutes the MSM will be " in solution, " meaning it is totally dissolved and no MSM particles will float to the bottom. 5) Store in a dark, cool place. The gallon jug contains about 150 grams of MSM (10 tablespoons times 15 grams per tablespoon), which is too much to take in one day because of GI issues. Obviously, keep the bottle away from children or mark it in a way they will know not to drink it without supervision. They will not get sick, but they may throw-up if they take too much. There are 128 ounces in a gallon. This means there are 256 TABLEspoons in a gallon. This means there are 0.6 grams in a TABLEspoon of this MSM water. It also means there are 1.2 grams of MSM in an ounce of the MSM water. Thus, if you take 12.8 ounces of the MSM water a day, you will be taking 15 grams of MSM a day. In prevention mode a person can fill a 12 ounce glass HALF with the " MSM water " discussed above and HALF with distilled water. This moderates the taste a little bit. This is about 7 grams of MSM. They can then add 10-12 drops of a good stabilized oxygen product, such as Prime pH or Aerobic O7 (or they can add 3 drops of Miracle Mineral Supplement instead), and 10-12 drops of Cell Food (a trace mineral supplement). You can forget about ever getting a cold or the flu if you do this. Just rememember that every 6 ounces of MSM water is about 7 grams of MSM. When in treatment mode, when you are taking 20 or more grams a day, it is best to take MSM in several small doses throughout the day, rather than one large dose!! This is mainly for the sake of the GI tract. WARNING: About 15% of those who take MSM have a harmless reaction to the MSM. If you have a reaction to the MSM, then drop the dosage or stop taking it. http://www.cancertutor.com/faq/faq_MSM.html http://www.vitacost.com/Lumina-Health-Products-CELLFOOD?csrc=GPF-679909000017 http://www.mmsfacts.com/where-to-buy-mms > > Finally the recipe! :-) but I seriously wonder if the MMS is necessary at > all. I wonder if his constant intake of the sulfur in MSM is what is > working. > > Of course I realize that even straight, unacidified MMS diluted in water > will make a certain amount of chlorine dioxide in the stomach. But it seems > he was taking that and still feeling sick. By adding the MSM he has > bypassed the ill feeling. Yet I wonder if the MSM is buffering the the MMS > or if it is deactivating the MMS. > > When the lady I know did the transdermal DMSO/MMS (for her uterine cancer) > she said she did feel better, but it did nothing for the cancer. That was > pretty much straight DMSO and AMMS (this was the second version of the > transdermal application via cancertutor). The MSM she used after was to > stop the itching of the DMSO. Now I wonder about this--does the MSM stop > MMS? Would this have contributed to the MMS not helping with the cancer, > and the feeling better simply being a result of needed sulfur? We all seem > to be lacking that today. > > I guess we'd need a chemist to explain the relationship between MMS and MSM. > And to explain both the relationship between sodium chlorite (straight MMS) > and chlorine dioxide (when the MMS is activated) with MSM. I'd be very > interested in knowing this. > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > Probably you have not gone into the link and read the contents.Initially,like you, I was also skeptical about his claims. But after going through the link,( http://www.scribd.com/doc/26970402 ) it is very clear that he gives detailed account of what he does.Someone has posted the details in Scribd. I request you to go through the link and come to whatever conclusion. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 at first sight this seems to be advertising in it's purest form, but gee, the guy has been using MMS for a year and still needs it? Is he telling us that MMS doesn't work? The quoted Dr Kehr's OCC makes it appear that all it takes is two spaced 4 day treatments. go www.cancertutor.com > > Details of " MMS-LITE " , claimed as a super and spectacular improvement over normal MMS1, by Roi is here. > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/26970402 > > I just come across this link by simple search in 'Scribd'. > Here is weblog of Roi giving his day-today experiences with MMS-Lite. > http://houseofbugs.com/weblog/?site_id=309 > > If it is really as it is claimed by the author, it can be surely a good breakthrough.I wish some of us can try and check the validity of the claims. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 I have been on mms1 for over a year now it is only prevention. Prevention was a activated drop per 25#. With the MSM MMS water prevention recipe I only take 3 or 6 drops per day and feel better than 6 or 8 drops before a day. > > > > Details of " MMS-LITE " , claimed as a super and spectacular improvement over normal MMS1, by Roi is here. > > > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/26970402 > > > > I just come across this link by simple search in 'Scribd'. > > Here is weblog of Roi giving his day-today experiences with MMS-Lite. > > http://houseofbugs.com/weblog/?site_id=309 > > > > If it is really as it is claimed by the author, it can be surely a good breakthrough.I wish some of us can try and check the validity of the claims. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 I do use 3 drops of activated with mother AC with the MSM MMS water, include the cell salts or cell food to I think. This is prevention not progression. > > > > Details of " MMS-LITE " , claimed as a super and spectacular improvement over normal MMS1, by Roi is here. > > > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/26970402 > > > > I just come across this link by simple search in 'Scribd'. > > Here is weblog of Roi giving his day-today experiences with MMS-Lite. > > http://houseofbugs.com/weblog/?site_id=309 > > > > If it is really as it is claimed by the author, it can be surely a good breakthrough.I wish some of us can try and check the validity of the claims. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 After supplements help would you stop taking them? Not saying MMS1 is a supplement it is not, nor is MSM probably. Many take MSM and supplements daily in fact daily is better for prevention, unlike conventional medicine. I am talking daily prevention here not treatment. > From: johnmagal <johnmagal@...> > Subject: [ ] Re: MMS-LITE is here > > Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:25 AM > > >  > > > > at first sight this seems to be advertising in it's purest form, but gee, the guy has been using MMS for a year and still needs it? Is he telling us that MMS doesn't work? The quoted Dr Kehr's OCC makes it appear that all it takes is two spaced 4 day treatments. go www.cancertutor. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Agree with all you have written, still think daily prevention with MMS MSM and supplements is better than treating disease. Prevention is the true miracle of MMS Supplements and even MSM. Keeping from the point of extreme is now my goal, extreme illness and treatment. > > The OCC does not work for everyone. This is a THEORY. In other words, it > looks good on paper. And a few people have been helped, but others have not > > > When my friend did it, following directions exactly, as I said she felt > better, but it didn't effect her tumor or cancer at all. She died of it > later. She followed the second method which lasted 5 or 7 days (can't > remember now)--I believe what cancertutor is promoting now is the third or > even perhaps fourth protocol. > > After she followed the OCC she wrote to the owner of cancertutor. He told > her that it was pretty much just a theory protocol, it SHOULD work, but that > only 3 people had tried it, and no one had reported any benefits from it. > > Remember, too, that every person is different. For some people MMS was THE > thing that got them well. For others, it not only didn't do anything, but > also made them feel worse. And some of those people, like Roy, tried the > MMS protocol for long periods of time, without finding any relief from the > nausea and/or diarrhea. > > I always tell people that MMS is the extreme product. It totally depends on > the person taking it. It can give a person tremendous energy or totally sap > them, it makes some happy, some mean, it makes some super hungry and others > it cuts the appetite so much they loose weight. On and on. For every > person that you can find one result from MMS, you can find someone who got > the opposite result. For some it never worked at all. For others it was an > immediate relief. > > It's an amazing thing, but must be treated with respect. It's MEDICINE, not > food, nor a supplement. > > Samala, > > > > -------Original Message------- > , but gee, the guy has been using MMS for a year and still needs it? Is he > telling us that MMS doesn't work? The quoted Dr Kehr's OCC makes it appear > that all it takes is two spaced 4 day treatments. go www.cancertutor.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Blood types would be interesting, or perhaps what is lacking in ones blood and cells and not the other. > > I would love to see what the correlation between MMS and the blood type > theories!!!! > I think that would explain the wide variance in results!! > > : ) > > Lainey > > > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:52:24 -0600 (Central Standard Time) " " > <gaiacita@...> writes: > > The OCC does not work for everyone. This is a THEORY. In other words, > it looks good on paper. And a few people have been helped, but others > have not. > > When my friend did it, following directions exactly, as I said she felt > better, but it didn't effect her tumor or cancer at all. She died of it > later. She followed the second method which lasted 5 or 7 days (can't > remember now)--I believe what cancertutor is promoting now is the third > or even perhaps fourth protocol. > > After she followed the OCC she wrote to the owner of cancertutor. He > told her that it was pretty much just a theory protocol, it SHOULD work, > but that only 3 people had tried it, and no one had reported any benefits > from it. > > Remember, too, that every person is different. For some people MMS was > THE thing that got them well. For others, it not only didn't do > anything, but also made them feel worse. And some of those people, like > Roy, tried the MMS protocol for long periods of time, without finding any > relief from the nausea and/or diarrhea. > > I always tell people that MMS is the extreme product. It totally depends > on the person taking it. It can give a person tremendous energy or > totally sap them, it makes some happy, some mean, it makes some super > hungry and others it cuts the appetite so much they loose weight. On and > on. For every person that you can find one result from MMS, you can find > someone who got the opposite result. For some it never worked at all. > For others it was an immediate relief. > > It's an amazing thing, but must be treated with respect. It's MEDICINE, > not food, nor a supplement. > > Samala, > > > > -------Original Message------- > , but gee, the guy has been using MMS for a year and still needs it? Is > he telling us that MMS doesn't work? The quoted Dr Kehr's OCC makes it > appear that all it takes is two spaced 4 day treatments. go > www.cancertutor.com > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Small Business Tools > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=cbKHTVsA8SDtFsMdlVHpVgAAJ1CfKUQ_xe\ 38di0Oi6UZiEjQAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMQAAAAA= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 I do not keep more than a 1/2 gallon of MSM water at a time. Then I take a 1/2 glass of MSM water and add 3 drops of MMS activated and cell food, fill the glass the rest of way with distilled water. This will last several days and seems as effective. Yes perhaps a chemist or hematologists to study the blood. > > Hey hhope. > > How long do you think your recipe keeps? He mentioned he only keeps his > about 24 hours before making a fresh batch--but as you say, a person doesn't > drink this gallon in one day. > > Still--doesn't answer the question of if the MSM is enhancing or nullifying > the MMS, and if the benefit is simply from the intake of MSM. > > Seems I recall that you took regular AMMS for long periods of time. Did you > find that alone was enough, or were you also taking the MSM water? > > So many people have gotten great results on the regular (and new) protocol > of AMMS. Of course there were always some that have been unable to tolerate > this, as it seems Roy was. Which is what makes me wonder if he was actually > getting MMS/chlorine dioxide in his system, or if the MSM water was what was > doing 'the trick' for him and stopping all negative physical feelings. Was > it truly buffering the MMS? Or simply nullifying it? > > Way before MMS I took Cell Food and had wonderful results. Cell Food was > not marketed as a mineral supplement, but as an oxygen provider. At the > time hardly anyone knew of sodium chlorite solutions so I have no idea of > Cell Food contained it or a derivative of it, which is where they got their > oxygen provider' from. I have not ever tried any other oxygen supplement. > > Dang, wish we had a chemist here. :-) > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > Here is the best recipe I have found same principal with cell food added, or > if one can't afford use cell salts. Take cell salts as instructed under > tongue do not add to MSM MMS water. Also I would use glass not plastic. > To make a bottle of " MSM MMS water " do the following: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Chlorine Dioxide and Blood Chemistry To understand why the Miracle Mineral Supplement works one must understand some of the chemistry of chlorine dioxide and some of the chemistry of blood. Chlorine dioxide is a gas that is dissolved in water when in the body. Chlorine and chlorine dioxide have been used as disinfectants for more than a hundred years and there is little doubt that they simply destroy pathogens of all kinds. Both have been used in water purification systems for more than 50 years. In recent years, water purification systems using chlorine has been used less and instead chlorine dioxide is used a great deal more as it has many benefits over chlorine. Chlorine dioxide is used extensively in water purification systems throughout Europe. Although chlorine dioxide is somewhat more expensive than chlorine, its many benefits over chlorine has resulted in it being used more extensively in water purification systems than chlorine. In 1998 The American Chemical Society, Analytical Chemistry Division said chlorine dioxide is the most powerful antimicrobial agent known to man. Stabilized oxygen, a diluted solution of sodium chlorite, diluted further with water very slowly gives off chlorine dioxide. The MMS is just a stronger solution to which a food-grade acid has been added. The acid, such as lemon juice or citric acid often used in soft drinks, acidifies the solution but leaves it edible, and releases up to about 1-ppm chlorine dioxide, a level of concentration that is sometimes found in processed food but is hundreds of times that which is produced in stabilized oxygen. References: Wikipedia Free Encyclopedia on the Internet. Search chlorine dioxide. References: Web sites that provide many additional references. Myeloperoxidase Deficiency Article by Javed Sheikh, MD www.emedicine.com/ped/topic1530.htm > > > > I would love to see what the correlation between MMS and the blood type > > theories!!!! > > I think that would explain the wide variance in results!! > > > > : ) > > > > Lainey > > > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:52:24 -0600 (Central Standard Time) " " > > <gaiacita@> writes: > > > > The OCC does not work for everyone. This is a THEORY. In other words, > > it looks good on paper. And a few people have been helped, but others > > have not. > > > > When my friend did it, following directions exactly, as I said she felt > > better, but it didn't effect her tumor or cancer at all. She died of it > > later. She followed the second method which lasted 5 or 7 days (can't > > remember now)--I believe what cancertutor is promoting now is the third > > or even perhaps fourth protocol. > > > > After she followed the OCC she wrote to the owner of cancertutor. He > > told her that it was pretty much just a theory protocol, it SHOULD work, > > but that only 3 people had tried it, and no one had reported any benefits > > from it. > > > > Remember, too, that every person is different. For some people MMS was > > THE thing that got them well. For others, it not only didn't do > > anything, but also made them feel worse. And some of those people, like > > Roy, tried the MMS protocol for long periods of time, without finding any > > relief from the nausea and/or diarrhea. > > > > I always tell people that MMS is the extreme product. It totally depends > > on the person taking it. It can give a person tremendous energy or > > totally sap them, it makes some happy, some mean, it makes some super > > hungry and others it cuts the appetite so much they loose weight. On and > > on. For every person that you can find one result from MMS, you can find > > someone who got the opposite result. For some it never worked at all. > > For others it was an immediate relief. > > > > It's an amazing thing, but must be treated with respect. It's MEDICINE, > > not food, nor a supplement. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > , but gee, the guy has been using MMS for a year and still needs it? Is > > he telling us that MMS doesn't work? The quoted Dr Kehr's OCC makes it > > appear that all it takes is two spaced 4 day treatments. go > > www.cancertutor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Small Business Tools > > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=cbKHTVsA8SDtFsMdlVHpVgAAJ1CfKUQ_xe\ 38di0Oi6UZiEjQAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMQAAAAA= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Healinghope. I think you seem to be very close to the Truth. You use MMS and MSM in a certain combination (MSM MMS water) for " maintanance " , same thing used in different combinations for " treatment " by Roy. It may mean MMS and MSM are not killing each other, should be working in synergy, because both of you are getting results.Roy seemed to have used MSM alone, long back but without the results.More over, non activated MMS will be alkaline and most unlikely to react with MSM and Roy seems to be getting best results from Non activated MMS along with MSM. Another factor one has to consider. Roy had been on MMS1 for one year and his biological system would have been well adapted with MMS and any new addition with MSM should have instantly acted favorably in his well receptive body(for Sulphur), and hence great results.But one has to find whether others with only a few weeks exposure to MMS1 too will get similar response by addition of MSM in the program. KGR > > > > Hey hhope. > > > > How long do you think your recipe keeps? He mentioned he only keeps his > > about 24 hours before making a fresh batch--but as you say, a person doesn't > > drink this gallon in one day. > > > > Still--doesn't answer the question of if the MSM is enhancing or nullifying > > the MMS, and if the benefit is simply from the intake of MSM. > > > > Seems I recall that you took regular AMMS for long periods of time. Did you > > find that alone was enough, or were you also taking the MSM water? > > > > So many people have gotten great results on the regular (and new) protocol > > of AMMS. Of course there were always some that have been unable to tolerate > > this, as it seems Roy was. Which is what makes me wonder if he was actually > > getting MMS/chlorine dioxide in his system, or if the MSM water was what was > > doing 'the trick' for him and stopping all negative physical feelings. Was > > it truly buffering the MMS? Or simply nullifying it? > > > > Way before MMS I took Cell Food and had wonderful results. Cell Food was > > not marketed as a mineral supplement, but as an oxygen provider. At the > > time hardly anyone knew of sodium chlorite solutions so I have no idea of > > Cell Food contained it or a derivative of it, which is where they got their > > oxygen provider' from. I have not ever tried any other oxygen supplement. > > > > Dang, wish we had a chemist here. :-) > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > Here is the best recipe I have found same principal with cell food added, or > > if one can't afford use cell salts. Take cell salts as instructed under > > tongue do not add to MSM MMS water. Also I would use glass not plastic. > > To make a bottle of " MSM MMS water " do the following: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 I have been on mms1 since nov of 2008, the msm seems to be a very effective carrier for the mms1 and prevention for me, and the recipe is free. > > Healinghope. I think you seem to be very close to the Truth. You use MMS and MSM in a certain combination (MSM MMS water) for " maintanance " , same thing used in different combinations for " treatment " by Roy. It may mean MMS and MSM are not killing each other, should be working in synergy, because both of you are getting results.Roy seemed to have used MSM alone, long back but without the results.More over, non activated MMS will be alkaline and most unlikely to react with MSM and Roy seems to be getting best results from Non activated MMS along with MSM. > > Another factor one has to consider. Roy had been on MMS1 for one year and his biological system would have been well adapted with MMS and any new addition with MSM should have instantly acted favorably in his well receptive body(for Sulphur), and hence great results.But one has to find whether others with only a few weeks exposure to MMS1 too will get similar response by addition of MSM in the program. > KGR > > > --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@> wrote: > > > > I do not keep more than a 1/2 gallon of MSM water at a time. Then I take a 1/2 glass of MSM water and add 3 drops of MMS activated and cell food, fill the glass the rest of way with distilled water. This will last several days and seems as effective. Yes perhaps a chemist or hematologists to study the blood. > > > > --- In , " " <gaiacita@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey hhope. > > > > > > How long do you think your recipe keeps? He mentioned he only keeps his > > > about 24 hours before making a fresh batch--but as you say, a person doesn't > > > drink this gallon in one day. > > > > > > Still--doesn't answer the question of if the MSM is enhancing or nullifying > > > the MMS, and if the benefit is simply from the intake of MSM. > > > > > > Seems I recall that you took regular AMMS for long periods of time. Did you > > > find that alone was enough, or were you also taking the MSM water? > > > > > > So many people have gotten great results on the regular (and new) protocol > > > of AMMS. Of course there were always some that have been unable to tolerate > > > this, as it seems Roy was. Which is what makes me wonder if he was actually > > > getting MMS/chlorine dioxide in his system, or if the MSM water was what was > > > doing 'the trick' for him and stopping all negative physical feelings. Was > > > it truly buffering the MMS? Or simply nullifying it? > > > > > > Way before MMS I took Cell Food and had wonderful results. Cell Food was > > > not marketed as a mineral supplement, but as an oxygen provider. At the > > > time hardly anyone knew of sodium chlorite solutions so I have no idea of > > > Cell Food contained it or a derivative of it, which is where they got their > > > oxygen provider' from. I have not ever tried any other oxygen supplement. > > > > > > Dang, wish we had a chemist here. :-) > > > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > Here is the best recipe I have found same principal with cell food added, or > > > if one can't afford use cell salts. Take cell salts as instructed under > > > tongue do not add to MSM MMS water. Also I would use glass not plastic. > > > To make a bottle of " MSM MMS water " do the following: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I'm currently trying the MSM2 at one capsule a day for treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome. I started it 5 days ago and was doing it on its own until yesterday when I started to get cold symptoms. Now I am using both MSM1 and MSM2, but taking MSM1 every hour as recommended in Jim's book. (btw I really wish I'd read the book before I started the MSM1 treatment. If you get a chance, it doesn't take long to read the first part at least). So far I haven't had any positive results and have got used to a bit of burping with a chlorine taste in the hour or 2 after taking the MSM2 capsule. As suggested by someone else (sorry have forgotten who), I continue to drink more water after the 2 glasses. I also sip the 2 glasses or at least drink it slowly rather than guzzling them down (did that the first time and felt very full and uncomfortable). Will let you know how I go with clearing up the cold. But I'm also thinking that if CFS is caused by a virus (which is one of the theories), maybe I should take the MSM1 hourly for a while. Re MMS-Lite - I agree with the advice of steer clear until we know more about it, esp if the guy is charging more than the $20US for the MSM1 Keep smiling - Louise > > Just finished reading this paper .... very interesting approach. Has anyone considered using MMS2 instead of the straight MMS? > Cashew > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 However, I still regard it as useful to apply activated MMS on the skin for topical treatment of local infections and tumours. While MSM is less effective as a carrier than DMSO, it does improve passage through the skin, and it is not an antioxidant, so it is safe to use with MMS. But absorption will be slow, and therefore it is not suitable for getting chlorine dioxide into the blood. http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index/Articles/Last/MMS_Sodium_Chlorite > > Well, I'm asking someone on another list what he thinks of the MSM/MMS combo > chemically. He hasn't answered yet, but someone posted this--which means > that a person is pretty much defeating their purpose by taking the 2 > together. If MSM is a super antioxidant and MMS is an oxident--they are at > cross purposes, and if there's a lot more MSM than MMS then the MSM could > potentially neutralize the MMS. Which means the major benefits people are > feeling from taking this mix is probably more from the daily intake of MSM. > When the other person posts I'll pass that on. > > MMS Lite and taking it with MSM, from this site http://www.msm-info.com/ it > says " MSM is a strong antioxidant " . It also says a bit about > detoxification: > > " MSM is known to dissolve in many organic and inorganic compounds (1). Bound > to the mucosa and split into an electron deficient group CH3SO2. , MSM > reacts with toxins, affects inactivation and speeds excretion (4). > Furthermore, MSM enhances the permeability of cell membranes, making it > easier for nutrients to be taken up by the cells, and waste products to be > eliminated. Practically speaking, MSM drastically increases the ability of > cells to excrete toxic waste products. Many health practitioners working > with MSM will state, that it is the most powerful detoxifying nutraceutical > or pharmaceutical agent they have ever worked with. " > > So that would suggest MSM could neutralise MMS somewhat. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 This quote is using MSM topically not internally with MMS1. > > > > Well, I'm asking someone on another list what he thinks of the MSM/MMS combo > > chemically. He hasn't answered yet, but someone posted this--which means > > that a person is pretty much defeating their purpose by taking the 2 > > together. If MSM is a super antioxidant and MMS is an oxident--they are at > > cross purposes, and if there's a lot more MSM than MMS then the MSM could > > potentially neutralize the MMS. Which means the major benefits people are > > feeling from taking this mix is probably more from the daily intake of MSM. > > When the other person posts I'll pass that on. > > > > MMS Lite and taking it with MSM, from this site http://www.msm-info.com/ it > > says " MSM is a strong antioxidant " . It also says a bit about > > detoxification: > > > > " MSM is known to dissolve in many organic and inorganic compounds (1). Bound > > to the mucosa and split into an electron deficient group CH3SO2. , MSM > > reacts with toxins, affects inactivation and speeds excretion (4). > > Furthermore, MSM enhances the permeability of cell membranes, making it > > easier for nutrients to be taken up by the cells, and waste products to be > > eliminated. Practically speaking, MSM drastically increases the ability of > > cells to excrete toxic waste products. Many health practitioners working > > with MSM will state, that it is the most powerful detoxifying nutraceutical > > or pharmaceutical agent they have ever worked with. " > > > > So that would suggest MSM could neutralise MMS somewhat. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Although I don't have a firm grasp on the chemistry of these compounds, I suspect that the molecule in which we are interested is hypochlorous acid. So, here are two citations that I'm hoping that somebody can interpret towards a layman's understanding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorous_acid http://www.reflux-relief.com/ There seems to be little doubt about the acid being a bactericide but what about the action on other aspects of the human organism; such as lipids, tumors, ATP processes, etc.? If anyone has some input on these ...... I am all ears. Cashew --- In , " Alvin Rose " <ajroseca@...> wrote: > > Why no Nausea? > The reason you do not become nausiated using MMS-LITE is because > The carrier used is MSM mixed with MMS.....MSM is an antioxidant > and MMS is an oxidant...The msm neutralizes the mms so that there > is little effect..So no nausea..The MMS is neutralized so that it is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 It has everything to do with it. By adding sodium hypochlorite (MMS) to water, hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is formed: NaOCl + H2O & #8594; HOCl + NaOH-. Further, and this is from another source ....http://www.natmedtalk.com/mms-miracle-mineral-supplement/3150-mms-killed-my-h\ erpes-3.html ... " Effectiveness is enhanced, if prior to administration the selected drops are premixed with 2.5 to 5 cc of table vinegar or lime juice or 5-10% citric acid and allowed to react for 3 minutes. The resultant solution is always mixed into a glass of water or apple juice and taken orally. The carboxylic acids neutralize the sodium hydroxide (NaOH) and at the same time convert a small portion of the chlorite (ClO2-) to its conjugate acid known as chlorous acid (HClO2) . " This should point us in the right direction. Cashew > > What does this have to do with MMS-Lite?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I have to disagree. If you look at the chemistry, it should become clear. I have worked to post citations and information that should make this process apparent. Take a further look at it and I'm certain that you will see not only how they relate but that the process is organic and internal. Cashew > >> > >> Why no Nausea? > >> The reason you do not become nausiated using MMS-LITE is because > >> The carrier used is MSM mixed with MMS.....MSM is an antioxidant > >> and MMS is an oxidant...The msm neutralizes the mms so that there > >> is little effect..So no nausea..The MMS is neutralized so that it is not > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 My error ... sorry, was typing faster than I was thinking. Actually, both sodium chlorite and calcium hypochlorite will engender hypochlorous acid in solution with water. This, I suspect, is what makes MMS-Lite so interesting. Cashew > > It has everything to do with it. By adding sodium hypochlorite (MMS) > > MMS is not 'sodium hypochlorite', it is 'sodium CHLORITE' - 28% to be > precise. > > > to water, hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is formed: NaOCl + H2O & #8594; > > HOCl + NaOH-. > > I don't think that is correct. I think all you get is a diluted form of > sodium chlorite. > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 The other two are 1) dimethyl sulfone, also known as methlysulfonylmethane (MSM), which is DMSO with an additional oxygen atom attached to the sulfur atom, forming a molecule with a total of two attached oxygen atoms, and 2) dimethyl sulfide which is DMSO with the oxygen atom removed, forming a molecule with no oxygen's attached. Both DMSO and MSM have the property of being quite soluble in both oil and water based liquids. However, dimethyl sulfide is hydrophobic and tends to be insoluble in water and soluble in oil based liquids. http://www.biosulf.org/1/pop70.htm > > > > Well, I'm asking someone on another list what he thinks of the MSM/MMS combo > > chemically. He hasn't answered yet, but someone posted this--which means > > that a person is pretty much defeating their purpose by taking the 2 > > together. If MSM is a super antioxidant and MMS is an oxident--they are at > > cross purposes, and if there's a lot more MSM than MMS then the MSM could > > potentially neutralize the MMS. Which means the major benefits people are > > feeling from taking this mix is probably more from the daily intake of MSM. > > When the other person posts I'll pass that on. > > > > MMS Lite and taking it with MSM, from this site http://www.msm-info.com/ it > > says " MSM is a strong antioxidant " . It also says a bit about > > detoxification: > > > > " MSM is known to dissolve in many organic and inorganic compounds (1). Bound > > to the mucosa and split into an electron deficient group CH3SO2. , MSM > > reacts with toxins, affects inactivation and speeds excretion (4). > > Furthermore, MSM enhances the permeability of cell membranes, making it > > easier for nutrients to be taken up by the cells, and waste products to be > > eliminated. Practically speaking, MSM drastically increases the ability of > > cells to excrete toxic waste products. Many health practitioners working > > with MSM will state, that it is the most powerful detoxifying nutraceutical > > or pharmaceutical agent they have ever worked with. " > > > > So that would suggest MSM could neutralise MMS somewhat. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Again .. I seems that I was wrong. I am scrambling to remember why I thought that sodium chlorite would resolve into hypochlorous acid .... but I have no recollection of where I was led to believe that. Anyway, I am interested in the facts and have no personal motives beyond that. So, thanks for challenging me ..... Cashew > > My error ... sorry, was typing faster than I was thinking. Actually, > > both sodium chlorite and calcium hypochlorite will engender > > hypochlorous acid in solution with water. > > Prove it. I cannot find any reference anywhere that says this about > sodium chlorite. > > > This, I suspect, is what makes MMS-Lite so interesting. > > Since MSM is a known powerful anti-oxidant, what is interesting is that > anyone would believe that mixing it with MMS, a powerful oxidant, would > result in anything except the two (mostly) canceling each other out > (depending on how much of each was mixed). > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 this is indeed a very intesting and valuable discussion. I do not have the time right now to dig into all the pertinent websites but I do want to remind the participants of tis discussion that the frequently quoted (by healinghope) Walter Last wrote that MSN is NOT an atioxidant. " While MSM is less effective as a carrier than DMSO, it does improve passage through the skin and is not an anti-oxidant so it is safe to use with MMS " This would mean that MMS lite is ok Of course, I does not say anything about not immediately noticeable side effects of prolonged use --- In , " Alvin Rose " <ajroseca@...> wrote: > > Why no Nausea? > The reason you do not become nausiated using MMS-LITE is because > The carrier used is MSM mixed with MMS.....MSM is an antioxidant > and MMS is an oxidant...The msm neutralizes the mms so that there > is little effect..So no nausea..The MMS is neutralized so that it is not > effective.as a Germ Killer..This is a logical theory.. > Re: [ ] Re: MMS-LITE is here > > > > I feel that person responsible for investigating & making available the MMS-lite should be commended for his research & efforts. > > Having read the information very thoroughly a number of times it is my belief that it is well worth looking into. Nowhere can I find that he is selling the product. It does appear however that he is producing an eBook regarding MMS-lite which he will sell for $19.95 when it is completed & donate some of the proceeds to charity. > > I've downloaded the 6 pages describing the process of manufacture & I really can't see why the need for an eBook as it is quite complete in & of itself! > I've also made some general editing of the article to make it easier to read...no changes to the words or text. If anyone would like a copy I could convert it to a pdf file & place in the files section of the group if that is permitted. > > It is quite difficult to read on the webpage & unless you scroll right through you are likely to only read the first page & miss the rest as I did on my first few attempts to find out what it was all about. > > In my opinion it would seem initially that MMS-lite has more going for it than MMS2 so far as ease of preparation, absorption & lack of side effects with bonus benefits from the use of MSM as a buffer & sulphur additive. > Rob > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 12674 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group > Messages in this topic (30) > Recent Activity: > a.. New Members 16 > Visit Your Group Start a New Topic > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > . > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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