Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Samala, I think what you have said is all really great. Obviously each person is going to react differently to MMS, different doses will be taken to cause different results, and if we all keep a record of doses, reactions, results etc, it will all be of use to the overall knowledge of MMS. As you say, do we really need all the answers? Just try it and work out what works for you - then share it! If you have any negative effects, share that too, and others might be able to help. It is not surprising that Jim doesn't have time to answer emails, as you said, but I do agree that he would be interested in the last couple of digests. One recommendation I would give to every person on this forum is to read Jim's book thoroughly. Some of your answers may be there. I can't remember who wrote about the herpes virus not being helped by MMS, but if the doctor who gave you the MMS had given you all the information in the form of Jim's book, it would explain that viruses react differently and MMS needs to be virtually constantly in your system - taken hourly or 2 hourly - in order to kill a virus. I did it recently to stop a cold coming on, & am also taking MMS1 hourly or at least 6 times a day in an attempt to treat the CFS I've had for 17 years. The same person who mentioned the herpes virus mentioned MMS had helped improve or cure symptoms of CFS. In Jim's book, he asks to hear any success stories. This may be a way that someone from this forum could email Jim - and include the other questions from the last few days. The address given is jim@... with the subject " Stories of Success " . Only emails with that subject line will get through. May I suggest that even if you have a small story of success that you send that through to Jim. Something that has been a story of success for me so far is with my teeth. NB: Jim repeatedly says in his book that if you're serious about getting well, treating the mouth for 2 weeks is one of the first things to do. He says people who have had the best results with MMS1 have done this. It just involves making a 10drops/50 drops citric acid mix up, waiting 3 mins, then adding 1/4 to 1/2 glass water. Then you brush with it. On the first night I did it, I just brushed normally with my electric toothbrush, but dipped it in the MMS1 mix first. It's not bad as your saliva mixes with it quickly and doesn't taste bad at all. I also took the extra step of taking a mouthful and swishing it around my mouth like mouthwash, before spitting it out. The next morning I couldn't believe how smooth my teeth were. It was like I'd had a dentist clean. AND I didn't have bad breath either. I'm continuing on for my 2 weeks. There are so many things in Jim's book, so if you haven't read it, I'd recommend making sure you do if you are going to continue using MMS. It won't answer all your questions, but it may clear up some. MMS1 & 2 are the closest things I've come across that I truly believe may well cure me of CFS - as they both just give the immune system more oomph, whatever causes CFS will hopefully be overcome by a boosted immune system. Believe me, I have tried pretty much everything else. And MMS really allows me to take responsibility for my own health more than many other things. And in the forefront of my mind, as I experience some burping from the MMS2 and occasional nausea from MMS1 ( & the chlorine smell!), is that if I can cure myself of CFS/ME, then I have the potential to be a trailblazer to help thousands of others to do the same. So this isn't just about me, it's about every person out there with illnesses that the medical profession can't treat or drug companies can only mask symptoms of. So I stick to my commitment for others just as much as I do it for myself. It's not always fun, but it could make a massive difference. We are all trailblazers. Let's be careful not to get caught up in misinformation (however innocently it's presented) or in having to know all the answers before we give it a try. I know many of you have been the trailblazers for years before I heard of MMS a month ago. THANK YOU!! Keep Smiling Louise > > Um, I use to write him and get answers all the time. This was with the > first group, almost right after Jim had introduced MMS to the web. But as > our group grew, he got busier and busier with people asking the same > questions, over and over again--and he started his Q & A page on his site. A > year ago he was still answering personal questions IF a person couldn't find > it on the Q & A page. What he does now, I have no idea as I have not been to > his site in a while. > > At first I was able to send him one question at a time (on behalf of members > of our list). Then he requested that I send a group of questions at once so > that he could answer them all at the same time. You could see the > progression of overwork on his part, trying to keep everyone satisfied. > > When the popularity of MMS exploded, and absolutely everyone had questions > about it--Jim just got overwhelmed. We have to remember, he's just one > man--and we are thousands. Perhaps when the school gets going they can > afford to pay someone to dedicate time to answer questions. > > For now I suggest we do the best we can, haunt his web site, ask questions > of those we perceive as 'experts' (I believe there's another guy posting an > MMS newsletter?--and some people here have used it for a year or more, which > makes them more of an expert than newbies ;-) and just continue to > experiment. Do we really need all the answers? > > I'm sure we'll hear of new discoveries as they happen, so that's covered. > As far as the chemistry, we have already seen that there's conflict on > results. As far as individual use we have already seen it's pretty much > different for each person. > > Then I suggest, as I have before, that we take responsibility for our own > health, experiment with our MMS and keep track of our results so that we may > be better able to help others. We already know enough about the safety > precautions on using MMS, so the rest is simply being careful, and working > our way through our own questions, and experimentation. > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > > I appreciate your valid point.I am sure every one will certainly love to get direct interaction with Jim and get his wisdom, expertise and guidance, but so far it has never materialized.No one in our group seems to have any evidence of contact with him so far. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Hi Louise. All you said is true. That's how I first got to Jim--by putting what he wanted "stories of success" in the subject line. Even then he was getting so much mail he had to start narrowing it down. I started by writing about the successes we were having, and then when that part was done, asking him questions. Then we established a relationship on questions until the list didn't have any more for him (at that time, naturally as new people come in they have questions, but we tried to answer so as not to bother Jim). But--I do want to caution you about using MMS for your teeth. I know Jim has had wonderful success with his teeth doing this, but I need to tell you my story. I did Jim's tooth protocol and experienced exactly what you are feeling--like I'd just walked out of the dentist's office! No bad taste either, during the brushing and rinsing. But at the end of the first week my teeth became sensitive. Just a little at first. By the middle of the second week I could barely eat food because any pressure on my teeth--as in chewing!--really hurt. Even when I wasn't chewing, my teeth were uncomfortable feeling. Not my gums, mouth or lips--just that my teeth ached. I stopped the MMS and in a few days the pain started lessening and over the course of 2 to 3 weeks went away completely. When I reported about this to the list I was told that the acid from the AMMS had stripped the enamel from my teeth! They thought it best if I remineralized with a remineralizing toothpaste, but I hadn't done that and the teeth quit hurting anyway, which must have meant they remineralized themselves. So, keep this in mind and be very sure to thoroughly rinse your mouth out with regular water when done using the AMMS. I had not done this. My mouth felt so wonderful after the final rinsing with AMMS that I just walked away. Perhaps by doing this--and maybe even by adding a touch of alkalizing baking soda to the final plain rinse, you may avoid my problem. Apparently Jim has a higher ph saliva in his mouth than I do. Samala, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Hello , An excellent mouthwash can be made from placing 3 ml of the 28% sodium chlorite in 500 ml of water. A half a teaspoon is 2.5 ml, so 3 ml would be a heaping half a teaspoon. The beauty of this mouthwash is that it has a neutral PH, and only as much chlorine dioxide as is needed is activated. If your mouth is clean, there is very little generated, but if you have some bacterial build up, the acid biofilm activates the solution and the chlorine dioxide penetrates the biofilm and kills the bacteria living in it. When using this, try to swish for at least 30 seconds, and longer if you can. Tom > > Hi Louise. > > All you said is true. That's how I first got to Jim--by putting what he > wanted " stories of success " in the subject line. Even then he was getting > so much mail he had to start narrowing it down. I started by writing about > the successes we were having, and then when that part was done, asking him > questions. Then we established a relationship on questions until the list > didn't have any more for him (at that time, naturally as new people come in > they have questions, but we tried to answer so as not to bother Jim). > > But--I do want to caution you about using MMS for your teeth. I know Jim > has had wonderful success with his teeth doing this, but I need to tell you > my story. > > I did Jim's tooth protocol and experienced exactly what you are > feeling--like I'd just walked out of the dentist's office! No bad taste > either, during the brushing and rinsing. But at the end of the first week > my teeth became sensitive. Just a little at first. By the middle of the > second week I could barely eat food because any pressure on my teeth--as in > chewing!--really hurt. Even when I wasn't chewing, my teeth were > uncomfortable feeling. Not my gums, mouth or lips--just that my teeth ached > > > I stopped the MMS and in a few days the pain started lessening and over the > course of 2 to 3 weeks went away completely. When I reported about this to > the list I was told that the acid from the AMMS had stripped the enamel from > my teeth! They thought it best if I remineralized with a remineralizing > toothpaste, but I hadn't done that and the teeth quit hurting anyway, which > must have meant they remineralized themselves. > > So, keep this in mind and be very sure to thoroughly rinse your mouth out > with regular water when done using the AMMS. I had not done this. My mouth > felt so wonderful after the final rinsing with AMMS that I just walked away. > Perhaps by doing this--and maybe even by adding a touch of alkalizing > baking soda to the final plain rinse, you may avoid my problem. Apparently > Jim has a higher ph saliva in his mouth than I do. > > Samala, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Hey Tom. Nice to see you here! :-) So--this would be a good solution for someone who is fighting a tooth/gum infection? Or would it be better to do the full strength AMMS for the infection, then use this rinse for general maintenance? I guess I'm just afraid the 'lesser strength' isn't going to do the job. I suppose after using a tank to kill something, you just tend to think the hand gun isn't going to work. Lol I had a serious infection that 3 times of rinsing and brushing with AMMS cleared up. The infection had been there for 2 months--I thought it was not an infection at all, but the AMMS proved otherwise. So I guess it's just hard for me to grasp that the non activated, lesser strength sodium chlorite would do the same job of killing that infection, especially so quickly. Fortunately, I don't have another infection to experiment with! Lol Samala, -- [ ] Re: MMS General comments Hello , An excellent mouthwash can be made from placing 3 ml of the 28% sodium chlorite in 500 ml of water. A half a teaspoon is 2.5 ml, so 3 ml would be a heaping half a teaspoon. The beauty of this mouthwash is that it has a neutral PH, and only as much chlorine dioxide as is needed is activated. If your mouth is clean, there is very little generated, but if you have some bacterial build up, the acid biofilm activates the solution and the chlorine dioxide penetrates the biofilm and kills the bacteria living in it. When using this, try to swish for at least 30 seconds, and longer if you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Hello , The tank and handgun analogy is an understatement... In the case of a serious infection you would simply use the mouthwash more frequently. To demonstrate the power of the mouthwash solution you actually need some laboratory test strips that are designed to test for chlorine dioxide. I get mine from Cole-Parmer. Note that these are different from those that test for chlorine. Next mix up the mouthwash solution. Now put a tablespoon of the solution into a small glass and add 1 drop of lemon juice. Take your chlorine dioxide test strip and you will measure a concentration of about 3 PPM chlorine dioxide. The solution in the glass will remain mostly clear in color, but you should just be able to detect a faint chlorine dioxide odor. In your mouth, the slime around the biofilm acts like the drop of lemon juice and activates the solution - as needed. The big problem with using an activated sodium chlorite solution is that it end up being acidic and can damage the teeth. The MMS protocol results in a solution that has a PH of around 2.5 - 3. When you put a drop of lemon juice in the mouthwash solution you end up with a PH of around 4. We did have one case where we actually disinfected an infected root canal. In this case we did use an activated solution, but used hydrochloric acid as the activator. The solution ended up with a concentration of 30 PPM free chlorine dioxide and no available chlorine dioxide. Baking soda was used to adjust the PH to 6. The solution was directed down alongside the infected root and held, via a cotton swab, in contact with the gum in the area of the infection. X ray images were taken before and after treatment and showed that the infection was greatly reduced. We are waiting to see if it was completely eliminated. The tooth pain and tenderness of the gum area were reduced, but not completely eliminated. Treatment time was about 1 hour. I can't go into more detail on this because the dentist involved has a license to protect. In addition there are some other problems with the tooth and it is scheduled for extraction and is going to be replaced with an implant. While not a " study, " I think I have demonstrated enough to prompt further investigation. The dentist sells Oxyfresh mouthwash, and has started to really promote this as a result of this demonstration. If you don't want to make your own, you can use Oxyfresh. Tom > > Hey Tom. Nice to see you here! :-) > > So--this would be a good solution for someone who is fighting a tooth/gum > infection? Or would it be better to do the full strength AMMS for the > infection, then use this rinse for general maintenance? > > I guess I'm just afraid the 'lesser strength' isn't going to do the job. I > suppose after using a tank to kill something, you just tend to think the > hand gun isn't going to work. Lol > > I had a serious infection that 3 times of rinsing and brushing with AMMS > cleared up. The infection had been there for 2 months--I thought it was not > an infection at all, but the AMMS proved otherwise. So I guess it's just > hard for me to grasp that the non activated, lesser strength sodium chlorite > would do the same job of killing that infection, especially so quickly. > > Fortunately, I don't have another infection to experiment with! Lol > > Samala, > > > -- [ ] Re: MMS General comments > > Hello , > > An excellent mouthwash can be made from placing 3 ml of the 28% sodium > chlorite in 500 ml of water. A half a teaspoon is 2.5 ml, so 3 ml would be > a heaping half a teaspoon. > > The beauty of this mouthwash is that it has a neutral PH, and only as much > chlorine dioxide as is needed is activated. If your mouth is clean, there > is very little generated, but if you have some bacterial build up, the acid > biofilm activates the solution and the chlorine dioxide penetrates the > biofilm and kills the bacteria living in it. > > When using this, try to swish for at least 30 seconds, and longer if you can > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Hey Tom. Well, this makes perfect sense now. I understand the pH info. So I can understand where the seemingly less powerful sodium chlorite solution will still work just as good, without damage to the teeth. I will now start using that to rinse with. I just had not gone back to the AMMS because it really did make my teeth ache. I'd read in a booklet about taking care of teeth that the bacteria that causes infections, cavities, etc, lies BETWEEN the biofilm (tartar) and the tooth enamel, being protected by the tartar. So getting past the tartar means killing the bad guys that cause gum infections--which can lead to heart issues and all sorts of health issues. On another list where we use a home made device called a Godzilla, which is a 6 volt lantern battery with small electrodes that can be inserted into the mouth, many people have reported that their dentists have said they didn't even need to have their teeth cleaned. That 'somehow' they must have been brushing better because there was no tartar. Naturally, we know it's from the electricity getting through the tartar, killing the bacteria which holds the tartar in place, so that the tartar comes off easily with regular brushing. I guess now there may well be TWO methods of achieving that--the Godzilla and now sodium chlorite rinse. I was afraid to use the AMMS again, even though it made my teeth, at first, feel so super clean. I just couldn't go through that 24 hour ache again. But without the added acidifier it could be perfectly safe. Say, since we say MMS for our 28% sodium chlorite, and AMMS for the activated MMS, we need a name for the 5% sodium chlorite--short, so that we don't have to keep writing it out. Since you 'discovered' this and brought it to our attention, you should get the honor of naming it. What will you call it? :-) Samala, -------Original Message------- In the case of a serious infection you would simply use the mouthwash more frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Apologies , Must have been asleep when you or the Group gave instructions on how to make the 'less powerful sodium chlorite solution'. Would you please be kind enough to provide them again....Does this mean that there is less chance for the MMS to upset the stomach, give off the strong chlorine smell etc.? Is this just for teeth, or can it be used against infections just as for the more potent MMS? snip >>>>> So I can understand where the seemingly less powerful sodium chlorite solution will still work just as good, without damage to the teeth. I will now start using that to rinse with. snip >>>>> Thanks, RobI am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 12734 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Thanks to both Tom & for those pieces of advice. I was only planning to do the mouth wash and brushing with MMS for 2 weeks to make sure I have a healthy mouth - want to cover all bases - but I'll take what you both said on board. It's been over a week now that I've been using it, but I'll be cautious now and use Tom's formula. Interestingly Jim says it hardens the enamel, which is quite opposite to stripping the outer layer off. So many more studies need to be done. Wouldn't it be nice if a philanthropist who wasn't worried about big pharma or the fda could provide the money for Jim to do the proper tests he wants to do. Sorry Tom, I seem to have missed your first msg that got everyone talking. It appears you are doing some of your own research or have chemical knowledge. Welcome to the group as it seems you have a lot to offer. Cheers Louise > > > > Hi Louise. > > > > All you said is true. That's how I first got to Jim--by putting what he > > wanted " stories of success " in the subject line. Even then he was getting > > so much mail he had to start narrowing it down. I started by writing about > > the successes we were having, and then when that part was done, asking him > > questions. Then we established a relationship on questions until the list > > didn't have any more for him (at that time, naturally as new people come in > > they have questions, but we tried to answer so as not to bother Jim). > > > > But--I do want to caution you about using MMS for your teeth. I know Jim > > has had wonderful success with his teeth doing this, but I need to tell you > > my story. > > > > I did Jim's tooth protocol and experienced exactly what you are > > feeling--like I'd just walked out of the dentist's office! No bad taste > > either, during the brushing and rinsing. But at the end of the first week > > my teeth became sensitive. Just a little at first. By the middle of the > > second week I could barely eat food because any pressure on my teeth--as in > > chewing!--really hurt. Even when I wasn't chewing, my teeth were > > uncomfortable feeling. Not my gums, mouth or lips--just that my teeth ached > > > > > > I stopped the MMS and in a few days the pain started lessening and over the > > course of 2 to 3 weeks went away completely. When I reported about this to > > the list I was told that the acid from the AMMS had stripped the enamel from > > my teeth! They thought it best if I remineralized with a remineralizing > > toothpaste, but I hadn't done that and the teeth quit hurting anyway, which > > must have meant they remineralized themselves. > > > > So, keep this in mind and be very sure to thoroughly rinse your mouth out > > with regular water when done using the AMMS. I had not done this. My mouth > > felt so wonderful after the final rinsing with AMMS that I just walked away. > > Perhaps by doing this--and maybe even by adding a touch of alkalizing > > baking soda to the final plain rinse, you may avoid my problem. Apparently > > Jim has a higher ph saliva in his mouth than I do. > > > > Samala, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Hey Rob. No need to apologize. There's too much information floating around to keep track of it all. :-) Here are the 2 posts from this group that tells how to make the 5% solution from the 28% MMS bottle. RATS!! The machine is screwing up again--not recognizing me as a member. Sigh Anyway, , I think it was, said to just dilute the MMS by half, then half again, with distilled water. This will give you a 7% solution, which is pretty close. KGR said To convert MMS1 (28% Sodium Chlorite) into 5% sodium Chlorite, Mix 3.6 ounces of MMS1(28% Sodium Chlorite) with 12.4 ounces of distilled water to get 1 pound of 5% Sodium Chlorite solution. How to make 5% MMS1 (5% Sodium Chlorite solution)? Take 1 ounce of Sodium chlorite powder(which is 80% Pure)into a vessel. Add 15 ounces of warm distilled water, mix it well until all the powder dissolve into a clear transparent solution.You will get 1 pound of 5% MMS1 solution.Use only plastic,glass,or ceramic vessels, but NEVER metallic vessels. And yes--using the 5% solution, unactivated, should not bother your stomach, won't have the horrid chlorine smell or taste, and can be used for anything. Just put a number of drops of the 5% into your drinking water and sip it all day. Whatever number of drops you are using of the AMMS. If you've worked up to 10 drops, put 10 drops of the 5% into, say, a liter of water and sip that all day. You will be keeping the chlorine dioxide (which your body will naturally make from the sodium chlorite) plus chlorous acid in your body all day long. Makes it even easier than mixing up Jim's new method of a couple drops of AMMS every hour or so. Samala, -------Original Message------- .. Would you please be kind enough to provide them again....Does this mean that there is less chance for the MMS to upset the stomach, give off the strong chlorine smell etc.? Is this just for teeth, or can it be used against infections just as for the more potent MMS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Hello , OK... How about 5% NaClO2? Tom > > Yeah, yeah. BUT--you brought it to our attention--so, you get to name it. > I'm tired of typing the whole thing out. And I can pass on the 'name crown' > because I was the one to name AMMS. Got tired of typing out activated for a > friend. english is not her native language and she was having a hard time > understanding Jim's instructions. He always said MMS whether he meant the > sodium chlorite, or the activated sodium chlorite. It confused her too much > When I shortened it, most people went--oh, that works. > > So now it's your turn. :-) > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > > > The 5% sodium chlorite solution has been around and in use since the mid > 1970's. I had no part in discovering it. It is simply called a 5% sodium > chlorite solution... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Hello , I too very much tempted to suggest MSM into our program for better health.We may take, as suggested by Healinghope a proven maintenance protocol MSM-MMS water, a very highly diluted stuff,or if we need to take 2-10 gms of MSM per day, we can take MMS and MSM separately with atleast one hour gap, so that these two may not nullify each other.Or similar to Roy, we can try NON activated MMS with MSM, --- this combo may work well because of non activation, MMS and MSM may not neutralize each other. AS you said, whether it is placebo effect or not, there is no harm in trying, if it works it is fine, some how we should strike a way out to get into better health. KGR > > > Personally, from all that I have been researching about MSM, and what Roy > found (though I do believe now that some of his effect was placebo. That's > a personal opinion only, coming from someone who says -- placebo or not, if > it works, it works) I would also suggest anyone in ill health add in MSM > water throughout the day, too. > > My understanding is that MSM tastes bitter. Perhaps adding some sort of > healthy sweetener or a bit of juice would make it more palatable. Or, > perhaps, diluting it as much as Roy did with the amount of water rendered > the MSM water tasteless. OR--it could be that the sodium chlorite he added > neutralized the taste of the MSM. Don't know as I just haven't had time to > experiment with this yet. I plan on it, because it does seem like a good > thing to do--take MSM. Many people take a capsule or two a day and get good > results, but this new method of keeping the body washed in supplements just > sounds like a REALLY good idea! For just about everything! > > What if we sipped vit. C all day, B all day, enzymes all day instead of > gulping them down once in the morning? What if we could make up some type > of mix that wouldn't taste bad, and then kept this in our system all day > long through small doses? This just seems pretty simple and yet powerful. > Kind of like the diabetic or low blood sugar people being told it's better > to eat many small meals throughout the day than 3 large ones. > > Hope this helped and I didn't ramble too long. > > Samala, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 I strongly beleive the benefits of MSM and MMS1 together are beneficial, as stated perhaps best taken with a window the same as Vitamin C. http://www.falconblanco.com/health/msm/faq.html > > > > > > Personally, from all that I have been researching about MSM, and what Roy > > found (though I do believe now that some of his effect was placebo. That's > > a personal opinion only, coming from someone who says -- placebo or not, if > > it works, it works) I would also suggest anyone in ill health add in MSM > > water throughout the day, too. > > > > My understanding is that MSM tastes bitter. Perhaps adding some sort of > > healthy sweetener or a bit of juice would make it more palatable. Or, > > perhaps, diluting it as much as Roy did with the amount of water rendered > > the MSM water tasteless. OR--it could be that the sodium chlorite he added > > neutralized the taste of the MSM. Don't know as I just haven't had time to > > experiment with this yet. I plan on it, because it does seem like a good > > thing to do--take MSM. Many people take a capsule or two a day and get good > > results, but this new method of keeping the body washed in supplements just > > sounds like a REALLY good idea! For just about everything! > > > > What if we sipped vit. C all day, B all day, enzymes all day instead of > > gulping them down once in the morning? What if we could make up some type > > of mix that wouldn't taste bad, and then kept this in our system all day > > long through small doses? This just seems pretty simple and yet powerful. > > Kind of like the diabetic or low blood sugar people being told it's better > > to eat many small meals throughout the day than 3 large ones. > > > > Hope this helped and I didn't ramble too long. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 If one is concerned with long term use of MSM, which there is some research to support, there is an alternative. HOMOCYSTEINE REDUX vs MSM. I personally have mixed feelings on the sudy. http://www.nutriwest.com/articles/homovmsm.htm http://www.silvermedicine.org/msm-natural-sulphur.html > > > > > > Personally, from all that I have been researching about MSM, and what Roy > > found (though I do believe now that some of his effect was placebo. That's > > a personal opinion only, coming from someone who says -- placebo or not, if > > it works, it works) I would also suggest anyone in ill health add in MSM > > water throughout the day, too. > > > > My understanding is that MSM tastes bitter. Perhaps adding some sort of > > healthy sweetener or a bit of juice would make it more palatable. Or, > > perhaps, diluting it as much as Roy did with the amount of water rendered > > the MSM water tasteless. OR--it could be that the sodium chlorite he added > > neutralized the taste of the MSM. Don't know as I just haven't had time to > > experiment with this yet. I plan on it, because it does seem like a good > > thing to do--take MSM. Many people take a capsule or two a day and get good > > results, but this new method of keeping the body washed in supplements just > > sounds like a REALLY good idea! For just about everything! > > > > What if we sipped vit. C all day, B all day, enzymes all day instead of > > gulping them down once in the morning? What if we could make up some type > > of mix that wouldn't taste bad, and then kept this in our system all day > > long through small doses? This just seems pretty simple and yet powerful. > > Kind of like the diabetic or low blood sugar people being told it's better > > to eat many small meals throughout the day than 3 large ones. > > > > Hope this helped and I didn't ramble too long. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Exactly KGR. And the only way to know if Roy's method will work for others is for others to give it a try. Samala, -------Original Message------- AS you said, whether it is placebo effect or not, there is no harm in trying, if it works it is fine, some how we should strike a way out to get into better health. KGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Lololol NO, too long. 3 letters, 4 tops. The world is in love with 3 letter substitute. MMS, EFT, DMT, CIA FBI (well, maybe not in love with those last 2 groups)etc, etc. Think, think. It will be your gift to posterity. ;-) Samala, -------Original Message------- OK... How about 5% NaClO2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 I'm very grateful for your considered reply . It seems like the way to go with dosage & general application - thank you. Rob Re: [ ] Re: MMS General comments Hey Rob. I think you have the dosage mix right. If not, hopefully someone else will chime in--because you know what I've already said about my math skills. :-) I don't think that you are understanding, though, that you would not be taking the 5% in doses as we normally understand it. You'd just mix in the number of drops you'd want, total, into the amount of water you think you will drink during the day. That's basically your dose. If you (and you should) drink more than a liter a day, then mix all your drops into a 2 liter bottle and sip it (don't drink a big glass at once) all day AND all night that you are up. That way you are pretty much keeping it in your system the whole waking time. With the other dose (28%) method, it was at first thought that the chlorine stayed in the system for 12 hours--that's why Jim came up with the 'take it twice a day' routine. Then when he discovered (was told) that the chlorine was only there for a few minutes, he switched to smaller doses many times a day. We have the advantage of knowing now that when sodium chlorite is mixed in water--it STAYS there for weeks. Therefore your 'dosage' simply depends on how many times you sip your water throughout the day. You could take a sip every 15 minutes and get a 'dose' of MMS every 15 minutes! No mix, no fuss. But as I have not tried this method myself yet--I can only advise you what one of the other list members said--that he finally got to the point of nausea at the SAME NUMBER OF AMMS drops as with the plain MMS drops in water. Say he got nauseated at 10 drops of AMMS (mixed with 50 drops of acid and a cup of juice). He found that he also got nauseated at 10 drops of straight, unactivated 28% MMS (which is actually nothing more than sodium chlorite liquid) drops in his liter of water. But since you will be using only 5% sodium chlorite liquid (Tom--see what I mean? :-) you should, theoretically be able to take many more drops. Since this new method is, indeed, so new, all I can suggest is start slow and see what happens. For non critical (maintenance) issues, perhaps 10 drops in a liter of water is fine to start out with. For critical issues, maybe the same dose, but drank more frequently until at least 2 to 3 liters are taken, each with the 10 drops per liter <shrug>. Maybe Tom would have more thoughts on the amount of maintenance vs critical? All I can say is--try it and see. Though Jim gave us pretty specific instructions on what to do for maintenance vs critical, you would think that would be the right answer for everyone. But as we have all seen, this was never the case. It became an experimental issue for everyone, with Jim's instructions as a jumping off base. I guess we are going to have to do the same thing with this new 5% method. Personally, from all that I have been researching about MSM, and what Roy found (though I do believe now that some of his effect was placebo. That's a personal opinion only, coming from someone who says -- placebo or not, if it works, it works) I would also suggest anyone in ill health add in MSM water throughout the day, too. My understanding is that MSM tastes bitter. Perhaps adding some sort of healthy sweetener or a bit of juice would make it more palatable. Or, perhaps, diluting it as much as Roy did with the amount of water rendered the MSM water tasteless. OR--it could be that the sodium chlorite he added neutralized the taste of the MSM. Don't know as I just haven't had time to experiment with this yet. I plan on it, because it does seem like a good thing to do--take MSM. Many people take a capsule or two a day and get good results, but this new method of keeping the body washed in supplements just sounds like a REALLY good idea! For just about everything! What if we sipped vit. C all day, B all day, enzymes all day instead of gulping them down once in the morning? What if we could make up some type of mix that wouldn't taste bad, and then kept this in our system all day long through small doses? This just seems pretty simple and yet powerful. Kind of like the diabetic or low blood sugar people being told it's better to eat many small meals throughout the day than 3 large ones. Hope this helped and I didn't ramble too long. Samala, -------Original Message------- I'm familiar with the suggested dosage taken with AMMS. Is there some correlation with doses of the 5%. In other words, could you use say 5 drops of 28% MMS & mix it with 10 drops of water to get the dilution of 5% & repeat that dose 3 to 4 times a day? I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 12754 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Hello , I am not a medical person so once you swallow the solution I don't have good models to determine what happens. In my discussions with various medical professionals, there may be some benefit from taking an activated solution initially. Kind of like the standard malaria treatment. However, I think you can get better long term effectiveness using unactivated sodium chlorite. This brings us back to " stabilized oxygen " uses. Looking at some of their doses, they were using a concentration in the 7 - 10 PPM available chlorine dioxide range. We have actually had very good results in people and animals duplicating this, so I am inclined to go in that direction. There is a theory that a shock activated dose can clear out the older red blood cells. This stimulates new red blood cell production, which results in better oxygenation of the blood. This could be one of the reasons people initially feel tired, then become energized. Extra (well actually normal amounts) oxygen in the blood can also stimulate the immune system and knock off a number of symptoms. In a like manner, a shock dose can act like a colon cleaner and can actually peel off the outer layer of mucous in the lower GI tract. A " gastro " doctor I chatted with indicated that there may be some benefit from this and also commented that many people comment on a general greater sense of well being after enduring the preparation for a colonoscopy. On the other side of the coin, most medical professionals think it is barbaric to purposely consider oxidizing your GI tract... The one thing I think we have figured out is the maintenance dose. Since your gum tissue allows absorption directly into the blood stream, you can receive a small amount of chlorine dioxide directly into the blood stream by simply regular use of the mouthwash solution. You don't even have to swallow. Just rinse for an extended period of time and spit it out. Also, an activated solution can be used for a deodorant and that will allow for some transdermal absorption. Just be sure to watch the concentration when you use it this way. Too high a concentration will bleach your clothes and your skin. Tom > > Hey Tom. But don't you basically believe that it's not necessary to > activate the sodium chlorite externally, because the free chlorine is used > up so quickly in the stomach anyway? Unless perhaps a person was having h. > Pylori issues? > > Seems that from what I've gotten is that it's pretty much unnecessary to > activate the s. Chlorite externally because the normal body acids will take > care of that. > > Or do you feel there are other situations that would be better served by > mixing up a 5% AMMS solution? > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > > Sodium chlorite solutions are made up according to the available chlorine > dioxide they contain. For example MMS is a 22.4% solution. This means that > it contains 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. Likewise, a 5% sodium > chlorite solution has 50000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Hi Healinghope and Everyone!!! So do you mean mix the vitamin C with the MMS and MSM or separate it from the two? Thanks! Muysana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Separate the MSM and C from the MMS. Take the MSM and C together but within a 2 hour window from the MMS. > > > > > Hi Healinghope and Everyone!!! > > So do you mean mix the vitamin C with the MMS and MSM or separate it from the two? Thanks! > > Muysana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 OK, Thanks Healinghope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Tom, When sodium chlorite is used for cleaning water, would it also remove the chlorine, flouride and other harmful elements in it? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Healinghope and Everyone!!! > > > > So do you mean mix the vitamin C with the MMS and MSM or separate it from the two? Thanks! > > > > Muysana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Ester C may stay longer than two hours in the system. From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>Subject: [ ] Re: MMS General comments Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 1:55 PM Separate the MSM and C from the MMS. Take the MSM and C together but within a 2 hour window from the MMS.>> > > > Hi Healinghope and Everyone!!!> > So do you mean mix the vitamin C with the MMS and MSM or separate it from the two? Thanks!> > Muysana> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Hello , I don't believe chlorine dioxide reacts with fluoride, but it does react with chlorine, sulfur, manganese, iron, and other minerals in the water. There is also some evidence that it can further break down the disinfection by products produced by chlorination. Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Healinghope and Everyone!!! > > > > > > So do you mean mix the vitamin C with the MMS and MSM or separate it from the two? Thanks! > > > > > > Muysana > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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