Re: More answers from Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

As you have rightly said, MMS seems to be like a double edged sword; It cuts

and crushes pathogens on one hand,and on the other hand it also seems to

destroys good cells.How to and under what conditions it hits only pathogens, and

relatively spares good cell is what we need to have a better understanding and

formulate.Suitable dilution can be one factor, Other additives like MSM may be

other factors.One more factor may be, addition of some pH buffers to activated

MMS1, to buffer the varied conditions of stomach acid so that pH in stomach is

maintained between 3-6, under all conditions of stomach.As pointed out by Tom,

maintaining proper ratio of Chlorous acid and Chlorine di

oxide can happen only at this pH range. I also appreciate Tom's perception that

under our current protocol, too much Citric acid is added to MMS1 to activate,

as a result, almost entire MMS1 is converted into Chlorine di oxide under the

action of Citric acid and stomach acids.(instead of Timed release of Chlorine di

Oxide) As suggested by Tom, we can try cutting down the activator atleast by

50% and try. Another direction we can try is non-activated MMS along with MSM,

sothat stomach acids may stimulate timed release of Chlorine dioxide small

quantity at a time. Before the released

Chlorine di oxide could react with MSM, and/or other antioxidants etc., it would

have destroyed pathogens,anaerobic cells and got itself annihilated because of

its high affinity towards anaerobic cells and pathogens.

Tom says that Chlorine Di oxide is unstable and can not go beyond mouth,throat,

stomach and GI track,and will get destroyed by reacting with pathogens or normal

cells in stomach walls or GI track walls. If this is so, I fail to understand,

how the major improvement,energy level, arthritis conditions and a host of other

conditions dramatically improve in a months time.Without Sodium

Chlorite/Chlorine di oxide migrating into the blood, how these improvements take

place(atleast for some people). I also noticed,psychologically, depressed

feeling (which was there for a couple of years) for a lady treated by me, also

got radically improved apart from other physiological improvements.For me too

psychologically my liveliness,confidence level,mental focus etc. are definitely

boosted up. There has to be some other factor playing here, we need to find.

Even after my exposure to MMS1 for more than 3 months, I still get diarrhea

even with just 5 drops 3 times a day. I am unable to conclude is it Hex reaction

or mild Chlorine di oxide poisoning as observed by Tom, or is it both happening

simultaneously!!

So these are some of the issues confronting me.I am sure there must be many more

members facing such issues.I wish interaction with Tom over these issues can

propel us to get closer to fixing them.

As rightly said by , Sodium Chlorite seems to be mysterious in its

activity, when it come in touch with human biology.It is surely a super healer

and super killer of pathogens, but constantly evading / challenging our

understanding!!

KGR

>

>

> Hello ,

>

> That is a very good question, and I don't know the answer.

>

> However, I have always found it odd that a person will choke their head off

> while smoking their first cigarette, then end up smoking a pack, or several

> packs, a day without hardly choking at all. It could be something similar

> to this.

>

> Tom

> ----- Original Message -----

>

>

> Since we've been discussing your great information on the MMS list, someone

> brought up the question of nausea levels.

>

> If AMMS is actually a poison that the body reacts to, causing nausea and

> diarrhea--rather than pathogen die-off as Jim says--why is it that once a

> certain level is reached, the body quits reacting that way?

>

> Meaning (and I have found this to be true for me also) that when I first

> started AMMS I could take 6 drops without nausea. At 7 drops nausea hit. I

> backed off, stayed at 6 for a few more days, then went back to 7 and no

> nausea. Same at each level.

>

> The person asking about this has worked up to the full 15 drops twice a day,

> and no longer has any nausea.

>

> Since we have been told this is because the AMMS has killed the pathogens so

> that there are no more death toxins in our system, and therefore we are no

> longer nauseated, how do we reconcile this with the fact that it's a poison

> and that our stomach/bowels were simply reacting to the poison?

>

> Is it because our bodies become use to the poison?

>

> I do know that MMS is an extreme product, causing the exact opposite

> reactions in different people. So I don't see a large problem with

> believing that MMS is both a poison that causes stomach distress, and yet

> can also NOT cause stomach distress after a while.

> :-) But there are others who have such faith in MMS and what Jim says,

> that it's hard for them to believe that their stomach only reacted because

> it is a poison, but is no longer reacting to it. If once a poison, always a

> poison.

>

> Sodium chlorite--such an interesting chemical!

>

> Samala,

>

>

[Guest guest]

May I suggest that someone in this list who is in contact with JIM, forwards him this issue.

After all he has been researching on MMS1 for quite a long time.

It would be very educating to receive his reply.

I can confirm that my skin looks better after ingesting MMS. Old sun spots are not there anymore. So it must have reached the skin through the blood. Also 10 minutes after ingesting MMS I can feel a boost of energy and also an energetic feeling in my head. A similar feeling of drinking an alcoholic beverage, feeling it moving in the blood stram.

So before we jump to conclusions or experiment with new protocols let's hear what JIM has to say.

Arie

From: KGR <kgrdoss@...>Subject: [ ] Re: More answers from Tom Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:04 AM

Hi ,As you have rightly said, MMS seems to be like a double edged sword; It cuts and crushes pathogens on one hand,and on the other hand it also seems to destroys good cells.How to and under what conditions it hits only pathogens, and relatively spares good cell is what we need to have a better understanding and formulate.Suitable dilution can be one factor, Other additives like MSM may be other factors.One more factor may be, addition of some pH buffers to activated MMS1, to buffer the varied conditions of stomach acid so that pH in stomach is maintained between 3-6, under all conditions of stomach.As pointed out by Tom, maintaining proper ratio of Chlorous acid and Chlorine dioxide can happen only at this pH range. I also appreciate Tom's perception that under our current protocol, too much Citric acid is added to MMS1 to activate, as a result, almost entire MMS1 is converted into Chlorine di oxide under the action of Citric acid and

stomach acids.(instead of Timed release of Chlorine di Oxide) As suggested by Tom, we can try cutting down the activator atleast by 50% and try. Another direction we can try is non-activated MMS along with MSM, sothat stomach acids may stimulate timed release of Chlorine dioxide small quantity at a time. Before the released Chlorine di oxide could react with MSM, and/or other antioxidants etc., it would have destroyed pathogens,anaerobic cells and got itself annihilated because of its high affinity towards anaerobic cells and pathogens.Tom says that Chlorine Di oxide is unstable and can not go beyond mouth,throat, stomach and GI track,and will get destroyed by reacting with pathogens or normal cells in stomach walls or GI track walls. If this is so, I fail to understand, how the major improvement, energy level, arthritis conditions and a host of other conditions dramatically improve in a months time.Without Sodium Chlorite/Chlorine di oxide

migrating into the blood, how these improvements take place(atleast for some people). I also noticed,psychologic ally, depressed feeling (which was there for a couple of years) for a lady treated by me, also got radically improved apart from other physiological improvements. For me too psychologically my liveliness,confiden ce level,mental focus etc. are definitely boosted up. There has to be some other factor playing here, we need to find.Even after my exposure to MMS1 for more than 3 months, I still get diarrhea even with just 5 drops 3 times a day. I am unable to conclude is it Hex reaction or mild Chlorine di oxide poisoning as observed by Tom, or is it both happening simultaneously! !So these are some of the issues confronting me.I am sure there must be many more members facing such issues.I wish interaction with Tom over these issues can propel us to get closer to fixing them.As rightly said by , Sodium Chlorite seems to be

mysterious in its activity, when it come in touch with human biology.It is surely a super healer and super killer of pathogens, but constantly evading / challenging our understanding! !KGR>> > Hello ,> > That is a very good question, and I don't know the answer.> > However, I have always found it odd that a person will choke their head off> while smoking their first cigarette, then end up smoking a pack, or several> packs, a day without hardly choking at all. It could be something similar> to this.> > Tom> ----- Original Message ----- > > > Since

we've been discussing your great information on the MMS list, someone> brought up the question of nausea levels.> > If AMMS is actually a poison that the body reacts to, causing nausea and> diarrhea--rather than pathogen die-off as Jim says--why is it that once a> certain level is reached, the body quits reacting that way?> > Meaning (and I have found this to be true for me also) that when I first> started AMMS I could take 6 drops without nausea. At 7 drops nausea hit. I> backed off, stayed at 6 for a few more days, then went back to 7 and no> nausea. Same at each level.> > The person asking about this has worked up to the full 15 drops twice a day,> and no longer has any nausea. > > Since we have been told this is because the AMMS has killed the pathogens so> that there are no more death toxins in our system, and therefore we are no>

longer nauseated, how do we reconcile this with the fact that it's a poison> and that our stomach/bowels were simply reacting to the poison?> > Is it because our bodies become use to the poison?> > I do know that MMS is an extreme product, causing the exact opposite> reactions in different people. So I don't see a large problem with> believing that MMS is both a poison that causes stomach distress, and yet> can also NOT cause stomach distress after a while. > :-) But there are others who have such faith in MMS and what Jim says,> that it's hard for them to believe that their stomach only reacted because> it is a poison, but is no longer reacting to it. If once a poison, always a> poison.> > Sodium chlorite--such an interesting chemical!> > Samala,> >

[Guest guest]

Hello KGR.

You bring up many interesting points. And MMS certainly is a challenge!

We do have to remember that Tom is looking at things from a lab perspective. Though he has used it on himself, and is working with some doctors with it, even they are stumped about the exact nature of how sodium chlorite/chlorine dioxide/chloric acid works.

And all these seem, just like AMMS itself, to work differently for different people.

There have been many reports of improved mental feelings, and enhanced energy. BUT--there have also (at least on the first list) almost as many reports of fatigue and mental fog.

There's not one single effect that anyone can point to that hasn't shown the opposite effect in someone else. It's mysterious. How can any lab or scientist find a common thread? All Tom, the scientist, the doctors and us can do is say what happens to US/THEM, and go from there.

After studying and listening to thousands of stories over a 3 year period, I don't have much of a better handle on it than I did in the beginning. I can tell people--make sure you take extra C because many believes it strips C from the body (and especially the heart), make sure you take probiotics because many believe it kills good bacteria along with the bad, don't use most citric acid if you are allergic to corn.

Other than that--I just have to tell people "take it and see what happens"--and give them the opposites list of what they may expect. I no longer say "MMS will fix that" because it may not. It MAY, and I do believe in the worth of MMS, so I still tell people to give it a try. The ones it works for, without making them too ill, it really works! For the others, it's almost a toss up--do I want to be sick from the MMS or sick from my health problem?

I do remember one guy from the other list that was having a lot of problem taking the AMMS, and as we had discussed the 5% solutions in the oxygen products he decided to try 28% straight, not activated, in water. He seemed to get the very same benefits (and nausea at the same number of drops) without the chlorine taste, smell, etc. This was telling, but almost no one else tried it. At the time I guess everyone felt like it was best if activated. Yet he got the same results--and probably, truth to tell, better results because being unactivated externally, his body was making the chlorus rather than chlorine (and thereby using it up quickly). He sipped on that water solution all day--so he was keeping it activated internally and getting the benefits that Jim now proposes in small/constant doses, while side-stepping the smell and taste--and all without the bother of putting it into capsules.

So I wonder for those that tried the 5% oxygen products that didn't work, if they tried 28% unactivated, if that would work better for them? If I remember correctly the guy would just put his number of drops into a liter of water, and sipped that all day. Might actually be worth experimenting with, for everyone, knowing what we know now--thanks to Tom.

I guess it would just behoove us keep experimenting, keep trying to figure out a common thread (as you said, perhaps blood type?, insulin resistance?), and just inform each new user of all the various things they MIGHT experience.

Interesting world, huh? :-)

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

As you have rightly said, MMS seems to be like a double edged sword; It cuts and crushes pathogens on one hand,and on the other hand it also seems to destroys good cells.How to and under what conditions it hits only pathogens, and relatively spares good cell is what we need to have a better understanding and formulate.Suitable dilution can be one factor, Other additives like MSM may be other factors.One more factor may be, addition of some pH buffers to activated MMS1, to buffer the varied conditions of stomach acid so that pH in stomach is maintained between 3-6, under all conditions of stomach.

[Guest guest]

You may have missed my post where I stated that I know of 2 ladies from the first list that their skin got very sallow, tired looking and started to get wrinkles on MMS. They knew it was from the oxidation of MMS (it's an oxidant) and knew the solution was to stop the MMS and take massive amounts of antioxidants. Their skin returned to normal, then they started switching between MMS and antioxidants to keep their skin looking good.

There were also a few reports, such as yours, where brown spots went away--this would indicate enhanced liver action because brown spots, age spots, skin tags, etc, come from an overburdened liver.

And yes, everything eventually gets to the blood. If it enters the small intestines, in any amount, that's where the absorption takes place, if I understand it correctly. And no one said it did not get to the intestines at all--only that it's not the best way as far as the chlorine dioxide is concerned. Tom is saying that it would be even better to take the sodium chlorite by itself (diluted in water and at his preferred 5% instead of 'our' 28%) as this would continue to release chlorus acid (I think it is) which WOULD get into the blood and give even greater benefits.

Of course, I'm not speaking for Jim Humble. He could have a different take and outlook on it. But it IS up to us to experiment with it. It has been our experimentation that has given Jim his new protocols. Taking it, experimenting with it, and reporting to Jim via his web site, is what has changed his protocols. We are the guinea pigs. And this is a GOOD thing. It means we are taking responsibility for our own health, and using our brains to work things out, and tailoring our protocols to fit US. Experimentation never hurt anything.

If you've gotten such wonderful benefits from the old (or new, low dose) protocol, perhaps you would get even better results using Tom's ideas about straight sodium chlorite. Who knows, until you try. That you are happy with the results you have gotten is wonderful, and of course everyone would understand if you don't want to experiment. Why change something that works?

But what works for you has not worked the same for others.

You are certainly welcome to write Jim, ask him about your concerns, and report back to us. That would be a great thing to do, if you so choose.

Samala,

-- [ ] Re: More answers from Tom Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:04 AM

Hi ,As you have rightly said, MMS seems to be like a double edged sword; It cuts and crushes pathogens on one hand,and on the other hand it also seems to destroys good cells.How to and under what conditions it hits only pathogens, and relatively spares good cell is what we need to have a better understanding and formulate.Suitable dilution can be one factor, Other additives like MSM may be other factors.One more factor may be, addition of some pH buffers to activated MMS1, to buffer the varied conditions of stomach acid so that pH in stomach is maintained between 3-6, under all conditions of stomach.As pointed out by Tom, maintaining proper ratio of Chlorous acid and Chlorine dioxide can happen only at this pH range. I also appreciate Tom's perception that under our current protocol, too much Citric acid is added to MMS1 to activate, as a result, almost entire MMS1 is converted into Chlorine di oxide under the action of Citric acid and stomach acids.(instead of Timed release of Chlorine di Oxide) As suggested by Tom, we can try cutting down the activator atleast by 50% and try. Another direction we can try is non-activated MMS along with MSM, sothat stomach acids may stimulate timed release of Chlorine dioxide small quantity at a time. Before the released Chlorine di oxide could react with MSM, and/or other antioxidants etc., it would have destroyed pathogens,anaerobic cells and got itself annihilated because of its high affinity towards anaerobic cells and pathogens.Tom says that Chlorine Di oxide is unstable and can not go beyond mouth,throat, stomach and GI track,and will get destroyed by reacting with pathogens or normal cells in stomach walls or GI track walls. If this is so, I fail to understand, how the major improvement, energy level, arthritis conditions and a host of other conditions dramatically improve in a months time.Without Sodium Chlorite/Chlorine di oxide migrating into the blood, how these improvements take place(atleast for some people). I also noticed,psychologic ally, depressed feeling (which was there for a couple of years) for a lady treated by me, also got radically improved apart from other physiological improvements. For me too psychologically my liveliness,confiden ce level,mental focus etc. are definitely boosted up. There has to be some other factor playing here, we need to find.Even after my exposure to MMS1 for more than 3 months, I still get diarrhea even with just 5 drops 3 times a day. I am unable to conclude is it Hex reaction or mild Chlorine di oxide poisoning as observed by Tom, or is it both happening simultaneously! !So these are some of the issues confronting me.I am sure there must be many more members facing such issues.I wish interaction with Tom over these issues can propel us to get closer to fixing them.As rightly said by , Sodium Chlorite seems to be mysterious in its activity, when it come in touch with human biology.It is surely a super healer and super killer of pathogens, but constantly evading / challenging our understanding! !KGR>> > Hello ,> > That is a very good question, and I don't know the answer.> > However, I have always found it odd that a person will choke their head off> while smoking their first cigarette, then end up smoking a pack, or several> packs, a day without hardly choking at all. It could be something similar> to this.> > Tom> ----- Original Message ----- > > > Since we've been discussing your great information on the MMS list, someone> brought up the question of nausea levels.> > If AMMS is actually a poison that the body reacts to, causing nausea and> diarrhea--rather than pathogen die-off as Jim says--why is it that once a> certain level is reached, the body quits reacting that way?> > Meaning (and I have found this to be true for me also) that when I first> started AMMS I could take 6 drops without nausea. At 7 drops nausea hit. I> backed off, stayed at 6 for a few more days, then went back to 7 and no> nausea. Same at each level.> > The person asking about this has worked up to the full 15 drops twice a day,> and no longer has any nausea. > > Since we have been told this is because the AMMS has killed the pathogens so> that there are no more death toxins in our system, and therefore we are no> longer nauseated, how do we reconcile this with the fact that it's a poison> and that our stomach/bowels were simply reacting to the poison?> > Is it because our bodies become use to the poison?> > I do know that MMS is an extreme product, causing the exact opposite> reactions in different people. So I don't see a large problem with> believing that MMS is both a poison that causes stomach distress, and yet> can also NOT cause stomach distress after a while. > :-) But there are others who have such faith in MMS and what Jim says,> that it's hard for them to believe that their stomach only reacted because> it is a poison, but is no longer reacting to it. If once a poison, always a> poison.> > Sodium chlorite--such an interesting chemical!> > Samala,> >

[Guest guest]

Hello Arie Alon,

I appreciate your valid point.I am sure every one will certainly love to get

direct interaction with Jim and get his wisdom, expertise and guidance, but so

far it has never materialized.No one in our group seems to have any evidence of

contact with him so far.I am wondering no one from Africa, where Jim is living,

has ever joined in our group, it is mysterious.Can any member (who has some

knowledge and access to Jim's circle) request at least some of close associates

of Jim to join our group and become atleast a link to Jim? At least his

associates can reply to our queries, if Jim for obvious reasons is unable to

establish direct contact with us.

In the absence of such accessibility, we are forced to experiment ourselves.

After all, we collectively have to bear the torch, and see that MMS evolve into

a more reliable, easily adaptable form of treatment.

KGR

--- In , Arie Alon <maculeleh@...>

wrote:

>

> May I suggest that someone in this list who is in contact with JIM, forwards

him this issue.

> After all he has been researching on MMS1 for quite a long time.

> It would be very educating to receive his reply.

>  

> I can confirm that my skin looks better after ingesting MMS. Old sun spots

are not there anymore. So it must have reached the skin through the blood.

Also 10 minutes after ingesting MMS I can feel a boost of energy and also an

energetic feeling in my head. A similar feeling of drinking an alcoholic

beverage, feeling it moving in the blood stram.

>  

> So before we jump to conclusions or experiment with new protocols let's hear

what JIM has to say.

>  

> Arie 

>

[Guest guest]

Arie,

Which protocol and quantities of MMS are

you using to achieve this effect?

Dan

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Arie Alon

Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010

9:06 AM

To:

Subject: Re:

[ ] Re: More answers from Tom

May I suggest that someone in this list who is in

contact with JIM, forwards him this issue.

After all he has been researching on MMS1 for quite

a long time.

It would be very educating to receive

his reply.

I can confirm that my skin looks better after

ingesting MMS. Old sun spots are not there anymore. So it must have

reached the skin through the blood. Also 10 minutes after ingesting MMS

I can feel a boost of energy and also an energetic feeling in my head. A

similar feeling of drinking an alcoholic beverage, feeling it moving in the

blood stram.

So before we jump to conclusions or experiment with

new protocols let's hear what JIM has to say.

Arie

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, KGR <kgrdoss >

wrote:

From: KGR <kgrdoss >

Subject: [ ] Re: More answers from Tom

Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:04 AM

Hi ,

As you have rightly said, MMS seems to be like a double edged sword; It cuts

and crushes pathogens on one hand,and on the other hand it also seems to

destroys good cells.How to and under what conditions it hits only pathogens,

and relatively spares good cell is what we need to have a better

understanding and formulate.Suitable dilution can be one factor, Other

additives like MSM may be other factors.One more factor may be, addition of

some pH buffers to activated MMS1, to buffer the varied conditions of stomach

acid so that pH in stomach is maintained between 3-6, under all conditions of

stomach.As pointed out by Tom, maintaining proper ratio of Chlorous acid and

Chlorine di

oxide can happen only at this pH range. I also appreciate Tom's perception

that under our current protocol, too much Citric acid is added to MMS1 to

activate, as a result, almost entire MMS1 is converted into Chlorine di oxide

under the action of Citric acid and stomach acids.(instead of Timed release

of Chlorine di Oxide) As suggested by Tom, we can try cutting down the

activator atleast by

50% and try. Another direction we can try is non-activated MMS along with

MSM, sothat stomach acids may stimulate timed release of Chlorine dioxide

small quantity at a time. Before the released

Chlorine di oxide could react with MSM, and/or other antioxidants etc., it

would have destroyed pathogens,anaerobic cells and got itself annihilated

because of its high affinity towards anaerobic cells and pathogens.

Tom says that Chlorine Di oxide is unstable and can not go beyond

mouth,throat, stomach and GI track,and will get destroyed by reacting with

pathogens or normal cells in stomach walls or GI track walls. If this is so,

I fail to understand, how the major improvement, energy level, arthritis

conditions and a host of other conditions dramatically improve in a months

time.Without Sodium Chlorite/Chlorine di oxide migrating into the blood, how

these improvements take place(atleast for some people). I also

noticed,psychologic ally, depressed feeling (which was there for a couple of

years) for a lady treated by me, also got radically improved apart from other

physiological improvements. For me too psychologically my liveliness,confiden

ce level,mental focus etc. are definitely boosted up. There has to be some

other factor playing here, we need to find.

Even after my exposure to MMS1 for more than 3 months, I still get diarrhea

even with just 5 drops 3 times a day. I am unable to conclude is it Hex

reaction or mild Chlorine di oxide poisoning as observed by Tom, or is it

both happening simultaneously! !

So these are some of the issues confronting me.I am sure there must be many

more members facing such issues.I wish interaction with Tom over these issues

can propel us to get closer to fixing them.

As rightly said by , Sodium Chlorite seems to be mysterious in its

activity, when it come in touch with human biology.It is surely a super

healer and super killer of pathogens, but constantly evading / challenging

our understanding! !

KGR

--- In miracle_mineral_

supplement, " " <gaiacita@.. .>

wrote:

>

>

> Hello ,

>

> That is a very good question, and I don't know the answer.

>

> However, I have always found it odd that a person will choke their head

off

> while smoking their first cigarette, then end up smoking a pack, or

several

> packs, a day without hardly choking at all. It could be something

similar

> to this.

>

> Tom

> ----- Original Message -----

>

>

> Since we've been discussing your great information on the MMS list,

someone

> brought up the question of nausea levels.

>

> If AMMS is actually a poison that the body reacts to, causing nausea and

> diarrhea--rather than pathogen die-off as Jim says--why is it that once

a

> certain level is reached, the body quits reacting that way?

>

> Meaning (and I have found this to be true for me also) that when I first

> started AMMS I could take 6 drops without nausea. At 7 drops nausea hit.

I

> backed off, stayed at 6 for a few more days, then went back to 7 and no

> nausea. Same at each level.

>

> The person asking about this has worked up to the full 15 drops twice a

day,

> and no longer has any nausea.

>

> Since we have been told this is because the AMMS has killed the

pathogens so

> that there are no more death toxins in our system, and therefore we are

no

> longer nauseated, how do we reconcile this with the fact that it's a

poison

> and that our stomach/bowels were simply reacting to the poison?

>

> Is it because our bodies become use to the poison?

>

> I do know that MMS is an extreme product, causing the exact opposite

> reactions in different people. So I don't see a large problem with

> believing that MMS is both a poison that causes stomach distress, and

yet

> can also NOT cause stomach distress after a while.

> :-) But there are others who have such faith in MMS and what Jim says,

> that it's hard for them to believe that their stomach only reacted

because

> it is a poison, but is no longer reacting to it. If once a poison,

always a

> poison.

>

> Sodium chlorite--such an interesting chemical!

>

> Samala,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

I used it twice.

1. About half a year ago for about two months using the old protocol twice a day, going slowly up to 15 drops, but having to go back due to stomach problems. Skin condition improved then.

2. About 2 months ago taking it from 3 times daily to 5 times daily, slowly going up to 7 drops maximum. Almost no stomach problems under seven drops.

But according to the testimonies on this forum, MMS can have opposite effects on different people. So you have to check if it works for you.

Arie

From: KGR <kgrdoss (DOT) com>Subject: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: More answers from Tommiracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 11:04 AM

Hi ,As you have rightly said, MMS seems to be like a double edged sword; It cuts and crushes pathogens on one hand,and on the other hand it also seems to destroys good cells.How to and under what conditions it hits only pathogens, and relatively spares good cell is what we need to have a better understanding and formulate.Suitable dilution can be one factor, Other additives like MSM may be other factors.One more factor may be, addition of some pH buffers to activated MMS1, to buffer the varied conditions of stomach acid so that pH in stomach is maintained between 3-6, under all conditions of stomach.As pointed out by Tom, maintaining proper ratio of Chlorous acid and Chlorine dioxide can happen only at this pH range. I also appreciate Tom's perception that under our current protocol, too much Citric acid is added to MMS1 to activate, as a result, almost

entire MMS1 is converted into Chlorine di oxide under the action of Citric acid and stomach acids.(instead of Timed release of Chlorine di Oxide) As suggested by Tom, we can try cutting down the activator atleast by 50% and try. Another direction we can try is non-activated MMS along with MSM, sothat stomach acids may stimulate timed release of Chlorine dioxide small quantity at a time. Before the released Chlorine di oxide could react with MSM, and/or other antioxidants etc., it would have destroyed pathogens,anaerobic cells and got itself annihilated because of its high affinity towards anaerobic cells and pathogens.Tom says that Chlorine Di oxide is unstable and can not go beyond mouth,throat, stomach and GI track,and will get destroyed by reacting with pathogens or normal cells in stomach walls or GI track walls. If this is so, I fail to understand, how the major improvement, energy level, arthritis conditions and a host of other

conditions dramatically improve in a months time.Without Sodium Chlorite/Chlorine di oxide migrating into the blood, how these improvements take place(atleast for some people). I also noticed,psychologic ally, depressed feeling (which was there for a couple of years) for a lady treated by me, also got radically improved apart from other physiological improvements. For me too psychologically my liveliness,confiden ce level,mental focus etc. are definitely boosted up. There has to be some other factor playing here, we need to find.Even after my exposure to MMS1 for more than 3 months, I still get diarrhea even with just 5 drops 3 times a day. I am unable to conclude is it Hex reaction or mild Chlorine di oxide poisoning as observed by Tom, or is it both happening simultaneously! !So these are some of the issues confronting me.I am sure there must be many more members facing such issues.I wish interaction with Tom over these issues can propel us to

get closer to fixing them.As rightly said by , Sodium Chlorite seems to be mysterious in its activity, when it come in touch with human biology.It is surely a super healer and super killer of pathogens, but constantly evading / challenging our understanding! !KGR>> > Hello ,> > That is a very good question, and I don't know the answer.> > However, I have always found it odd that a person will choke their head off> while smoking their first cigarette, then end up smoking a pack, or several> packs, a day without hardly choking at all. It could be something similar> to this.> > Tom> ----- Original Message ----- >

> > Since we've been discussing your great information on the MMS list, someone> brought up the question of nausea levels.> > If AMMS is actually a poison that the body reacts to, causing nausea and> diarrhea--rather than pathogen die-off as Jim says--why is it that once a> certain level is reached, the body quits reacting that way?> > Meaning (and I have found this to be true for me also) that when I first> started AMMS I could take 6 drops without nausea. At 7 drops nausea hit. I> backed off, stayed at 6 for a few more days, then went back to 7 and no> nausea. Same at each level.> > The person asking about this has worked up to the full 15 drops twice a day,> and no longer has any nausea. > > Since we have been told this is because the AMMS has killed the pathogens so> that there are no more death toxins in our system, and

therefore we are no> longer nauseated, how do we reconcile this with the fact that it's a poison> and that our stomach/bowels were simply reacting to the poison?> > Is it because our bodies become use to the poison?> > I do know that MMS is an extreme product, causing the exact opposite> reactions in different people. So I don't see a large problem with> believing that MMS is both a poison that causes stomach distress, and yet> can also NOT cause stomach distress after a while. > :-) But there are others who have such faith in MMS and what Jim says,> that it's hard for them to believe that their stomach only reacted because> it is a poison, but is no longer reacting to it. If once a poison, always a> poison.> > Sodium chlorite--such an interesting chemical!> > Samala,>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello KGR,

Sodium chlorite is an interesting chemical. It stores chlorine dioxide in a

somewhat stable form. Chlorine dioxide is " selective " in that it does not

attach to things, it simply oxidizes them. Chlorine, and chlorine products,

attach a chlorine molecule to whatever it comes into contact with. " Selective "

does not mean that it has a higher intelligence that allows it to differentiate

good from bad.

Chlorine dioxide kills by having a concentration of it in contact with what you

are trying to oxidize for a specific period of time. This is referred to as the

CT value.

For example: In wilderness water purification we use a concentration of 4 PPM

chlorine dioxide. Testing has revealed that cold water with cryptosporidum

cysts in it are about the hardest thing to kill and using 4 PPM chlorine dioxide

it takes 250 minutes to purify it. Multiplying 4 x 250 gives a CT value of 1000

(mg-minutes/liter).

In contrast, the CT value for Candida is 3, and for Campylobacter it is 15. A

virus is much harder to completely eliminate and something like Hepatitis C has

a CT value of 5000.

You can see that once you identify what you need to kill off, you can use the CT

value to adjust the concentration and contact time needed.

When purifying water you mix up your chemicals, check the solution to make sure

you have the proper concentration (PPM), then you apply the solution to the

water and wait the proper amount of time. At the end of this waiting period,

you test the water to see if there is a residual of chlorine dioxide. If there

is no residual, it means that all of the chlorine dioxide was used up and the

water may not be pure. You then add more chlorine dioxide and go through the

wait again. When you finally end up with a residual you know that the water is

pure. You can then remove most of the residual before drinking the water.

Since chlorine dioxide is so reactive, I generally run a check after about 15

minutes rather than waiting the whole waiting time. If I have a residual at 15

minutes I will more than likely have a residual at the end of the CT time.

In the body there is a lot of " stuff " for the chlorine dioxide to react with.

Chlorine dioxide only lasts seconds or at most minutes inside the body. This is

much different than treating water. At the end of the reaction time there is no

residual chlorine dioxide.

There are some theories as to what is going on, but this has not been well

studied.

Tom

>

> Hi ,

> As you have rightly said, MMS seems to be like a double edged sword; It cuts

and crushes pathogens on one hand,and on the other hand it also seems to

destroys good cells.How to and under what conditions it hits only pathogens, and

relatively spares good cell is what we need to have a better understanding and

formulate.Suitable dilution can be one factor, Other additives like MSM may be

other factors.One more factor may be, addition of some pH buffers to activated

MMS1, to buffer the varied conditions of stomach acid so that pH in stomach is

maintained between 3-6, under all conditions of stomach.As pointed out by Tom,

maintaining proper ratio of Chlorous acid and Chlorine di

> oxide can happen only at this pH range. I also appreciate Tom's perception

that under our current protocol, too much Citric acid is added to MMS1 to

activate, as a result, almost entire MMS1 is converted into Chlorine di oxide

under the action of Citric acid and stomach acids.(instead of Timed release of

Chlorine di Oxide) As suggested by Tom, we can try cutting down the activator

atleast by

> 50% and try. Another direction we can try is non-activated MMS along with MSM,

sothat stomach acids may stimulate timed release of Chlorine dioxide small

quantity at a time. Before the released

> Chlorine di oxide could react with MSM, and/or other antioxidants etc., it

would have destroyed pathogens,anaerobic cells and got itself annihilated

because of its high affinity towards anaerobic cells and pathogens.

> Tom says that Chlorine Di oxide is unstable and can not go beyond

mouth,throat, stomach and GI track,and will get destroyed by reacting with

pathogens or normal cells in stomach walls or GI track walls. If this is so, I

fail to understand, how the major improvement,energy level, arthritis conditions

and a host of other conditions dramatically improve in a months time.Without

Sodium Chlorite/Chlorine di oxide migrating into the blood, how these

improvements take place(atleast for some people). I also

noticed,psychologically, depressed feeling (which was there for a couple of

years) for a lady treated by me, also got radically improved apart from other

physiological improvements.For me too psychologically my liveliness,confidence

level,mental focus etc. are definitely boosted up. There has to be some other

factor playing here, we need to find.

> Even after my exposure to MMS1 for more than 3 months, I still get diarrhea

even with just 5 drops 3 times a day. I am unable to conclude is it Hex reaction

or mild Chlorine di oxide poisoning as observed by Tom, or is it both happening

simultaneously!!

> So these are some of the issues confronting me.I am sure there must be many

more members facing such issues.I wish interaction with Tom over these issues

can propel us to get closer to fixing them.

> As rightly said by , Sodium Chlorite seems to be mysterious in its

activity, when it come in touch with human biology.It is surely a super healer

and super killer of pathogens, but constantly evading / challenging our

understanding!!

> KGR

[Guest guest]

Tom, could you explain the difference between chlorous acid and the chlorine dioxide that the sodium chlorite seems to make? How does it do both and which lasts longer in the body? Is there a need for both in trying to heal the body?

Samala,

renee

-------Original Message-------

Sodium chlorite is an interesting chemical. It stores chlorine dioxide in a somewhat stable form. Chlorine dioxide is "selective" in that it does not attach to things, it simply oxidizes them.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Sodium chlorite is referred to as a stable form of chlorine dioxide. When you

drop the PH of sodium chlorite, chlorine dioxide is released.

If only a part of the available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine

dioxide, the rest remains in the solution as chlorous acid. Chlorous acid is

chlorine dioxide with an extra hydrogen atom attached to it. (ClO2 is chlorine

dioxide, HClO2 is chlorous acid)

Chlorine dioxide has been studied for toxic effects in studies looking at

disinfecting drinking water. These studies indicate that chlorine dioxide does

not last long in the body (seconds to minutes), and higher concentrations of

chlorine dioxide in water are not lethal.

Chlorous acid has not been studied in humans, but I did run across a study where

it reduced the amount of E Coli in chickens digestive tracts before slaughter.

The MMS protocol uses excess citric acid and I believe that citric acid is also

somewhat effective against pathogens.

In the human body, chlorine dioxide rapidly breaks down to chlorite. A study

was done with rats that revealed that chlorite quickly gets distributed

throughout the body and organs, and it has a half life of over 40 hours.

Unfortunately, this testing involves nuclear products and has not been done in

humans.

Tom

>

> Tom, could you explain the difference between chlorous acid and the chlorine

> dioxide that the sodium chlorite seems to make? How does it do both and

> which lasts longer in the body? Is there a need for both in trying to heal

> the body?

>

> Samala,

> renee

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

>

> Sodium chlorite is an interesting chemical. It stores chlorine dioxide in a

somewhat stable form. Chlorine dioxide is " selective " in that it does not

attach to things, it simply oxidizes them.

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome Tom.

Thank you for your very informative postings through .I am personally

extremely happy that you are with us and are willing to share your insights.As

you have very good exposure/experience/knowledge in dealing with Sodium

Chlorite/Chlorine dioxide as a water purifying agent, as an inorganic chemical

and as MMS too,I feel that you can help us in getting better understanding of

these chemicals. Especially what really happens to our biological system,

pathogens, blood, cell structures when MMS activated or otherwise gets in.

It is very interesting to get into the knowledge of CT value.

After the pathogens in the stomach/GI track walls have been destroyed by

Chlorine dioxide,will the residual Chlorine dioxide attack normal cells

also?What will be CT value of normal cell? If it is 5000 or 10000 then possibly

before these cells may be attacked, will Chlorine dioxide migrate into blood ?

It is evident from so many peoples experience (Including that of Jim Humble)that

MMS1 has improved a lots of ailments in varying degree.Will it be possible to

get these improvements only by clearing stomach and GI track from pathogens on

regular basis?Does at least, a small fraction of Sodium Chlorite/Chlorine

dioxide manage to get in the blood?If the life of Chlorine dioxide, in the

stomach is only a few minutes, how can we explain such massive improvements?

This is where I get stumble.Does grape or lime juices,Citric acid which goes

with MMS has very high CT value (say above 10000), so that, in a reasonable time

frame Chlorine dioxide does not react with them?What can be CT value for our

normal aerobic cells, and anti-oxidants present in fruit juices? Probably by

knowledge of CT values for these things may give some insight into our better

understanding.These are just my jumbled thinking.

I shall be very pleased to get your insights and thoughts over these things and

help to upgrade our understanding.

Thanks and regards

KGR

>

> Hello KGR,

>

> Sodium chlorite is an interesting chemical. It stores chlorine dioxide in a

somewhat stable form. Chlorine dioxide is " selective " in that it does not

attach to things, it simply oxidizes them. Chlorine, and chlorine products,

attach a chlorine molecule to whatever it comes into contact with. " Selective "

does not mean that it has a higher intelligence that allows it to differentiate

good from bad.

>

> Chlorine dioxide kills by having a concentration of it in contact with what

you are trying to oxidize for a specific period of time. This is referred to as

the CT value.

>

> For example: In wilderness water purification we use a concentration of 4 PPM

chlorine dioxide. Testing has revealed that cold water with cryptosporidum

cysts in it are about the hardest thing to kill and using 4 PPM chlorine dioxide

it takes 250 minutes to purify it. Multiplying 4 x 250 gives a CT value of 1000

(mg-minutes/liter).

>

> In contrast, the CT value for Candida is 3, and for Campylobacter it is 15. A

virus is much harder to completely eliminate and something like Hepatitis C has

a CT value of 5000.

>

> You can see that once you identify what you need to kill off, you can use the

CT value to adjust the concentration and contact time needed.

>

> When purifying water you mix up your chemicals, check the solution to make

sure you have the proper concentration (PPM), then you apply the solution to the

water and wait the proper amount of time. At the end of this waiting period,

you test the water to see if there is a residual of chlorine dioxide. If there

is no residual, it means that all of the chlorine dioxide was used up and the

water may not be pure. You then add more chlorine dioxide and go through the

wait again. When you finally end up with a residual you know that the water is

pure. You can then remove most of the residual before drinking the water.

Since chlorine dioxide is so reactive, I generally run a check after about 15

minutes rather than waiting the whole waiting time. If I have a residual at 15

minutes I will more than likely have a residual at the end of the CT time.

>

> In the body there is a lot of " stuff " for the chlorine dioxide to react with.

Chlorine dioxide only lasts seconds or at most minutes inside the body. This is

much different than treating water. At the end of the reaction time there is no

residual chlorine dioxide.

>

> There are some theories as to what is going on, but this has not been well

studied.

>

> Tom

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Tom,

What would be the CT value for Helycobacter and Chlamydia?

Thanks

Arie

From: silverfox_science <poast@...>Subject: [ ] Re: More answers from Tom Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 1:09 AM

Hello KGR,Sodium chlorite is an interesting chemical. It stores chlorine dioxide in a somewhat stable form. Chlorine dioxide is "selective" in that it does not attach to things, it simply oxidizes them. Chlorine, and chlorine products, attach a chlorine molecule to whatever it comes into contact with. "Selective" does not mean that it has a higher intelligence that allows it to differentiate good from bad.Chlorine dioxide kills by having a concentration of it in contact with what you are trying to oxidize for a specific period of time. This is referred to as the CT value. For example: In wilderness water purification we use a concentration of 4 PPM chlorine dioxide. Testing has revealed that cold water with cryptosporidum cysts in it are about the hardest thing to kill and using 4 PPM chlorine dioxide it takes 250 minutes to purify it. Multiplying 4 x 250 gives a CT value of 1000 (mg-minutes/ liter).In contrast, the

CT value for Candida is 3, and for Campylobacter it is 15. A virus is much harder to completely eliminate and something like Hepatitis C has a CT value of 5000.You can see that once you identify what you need to kill off, you can use the CT value to adjust the concentration and contact time needed.When purifying water you mix up your chemicals, check the solution to make sure you have the proper concentration (PPM), then you apply the solution to the water and wait the proper amount of time. At the end of this waiting period, you test the water to see if there is a residual of chlorine dioxide. If there is no residual, it means that all of the chlorine dioxide was used up and the water may not be pure. You then add more chlorine dioxide and go through the wait again. When you finally end up with a residual you know that the water is pure. You can then remove most of the residual before drinking the water. Since chlorine dioxide is so

reactive, I generally run a check after about 15 minutes rather than waiting the whole waiting time. If I have a residual at 15 minutes I will more than likely have a residual at the end of the CT time.In the body there is a lot of "stuff" for the chlorine dioxide to react with. Chlorine dioxide only lasts seconds or at most minutes inside the body. This is much different than treating water. At the end of the reaction time there is no residual chlorine dioxide. There are some theories as to what is going on, but this has not been well studied.Tom>> Hi ,> As you have rightly said, MMS seems to be like a double edged

sword; It cuts and crushes pathogens on one hand,and on the other hand it also seems to destroys good cells.How to and under what conditions it hits only pathogens, and relatively spares good cell is what we need to have a better understanding and formulate.Suitable dilution can be one factor, Other additives like MSM may be other factors.One more factor may be, addition of some pH buffers to activated MMS1, to buffer the varied conditions of stomach acid so that pH in stomach is maintained between 3-6, under all conditions of stomach.As pointed out by Tom, maintaining proper ratio of Chlorous acid and Chlorine di> oxide can happen only at this pH range. I also appreciate Tom's perception that under our current protocol, too much Citric acid is added to MMS1 to activate, as a result, almost entire MMS1 is converted into Chlorine di oxide under the action of Citric acid and stomach acids.(instead of Timed release of Chlorine di Oxide) As suggested

by Tom, we can try cutting down the activator atleast by > 50% and try. Another direction we can try is non-activated MMS along with MSM, sothat stomach acids may stimulate timed release of Chlorine dioxide small quantity at a time. Before the released > Chlorine di oxide could react with MSM, and/or other antioxidants etc., it would have destroyed pathogens,anaerobic cells and got itself annihilated because of its high affinity towards anaerobic cells and pathogens.> Tom says that Chlorine Di oxide is unstable and can not go beyond mouth,throat, stomach and GI track,and will get destroyed by reacting with pathogens or normal cells in stomach walls or GI track walls. If this is so, I fail to understand, how the major improvement, energy level, arthritis conditions and a host of other conditions dramatically improve in a months time.Without Sodium Chlorite/Chlorine di oxide migrating into the blood, how these improvements take

place(atleast for some people). I also noticed,psychologic ally, depressed feeling (which was there for a couple of years) for a lady treated by me, also got radically improved apart from other physiological improvements. For me too psychologically my liveliness,confiden ce level,mental focus etc. are definitely boosted up. There has to be some other factor playing here, we need to find.> Even after my exposure to MMS1 for more than 3 months, I still get diarrhea even with just 5 drops 3 times a day. I am unable to conclude is it Hex reaction or mild Chlorine di oxide poisoning as observed by Tom, or is it both happening simultaneously! !> So these are some of the issues confronting me.I am sure there must be many more members facing such issues.I wish interaction with Tom over these issues can propel us to get closer to fixing them.> As rightly said by , Sodium Chlorite seems to be mysterious in its activity, when it come in

touch with human biology.It is surely a super healer and super killer of pathogens, but constantly evading / challenging our understanding! !> KGR

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tom.

So--if chlorine dioxide breaks down into chlorite, and chlorite gets distributed through the body and has a half life of 40 hours, could it be the chlorite that is doing everyone so much good?

I realize the testing was done with nuclear products, but--this might explain why so many get such relief when taking AMMS, whereas looking at it from the chlorine dioxide side it has such a short time span in the body that it would seem not to do much at all.

Or maybe between the breaking down and releasing chlorous acid and the chlorite, this is where the health benefits are coming from? Soooooo many questions. :-)

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

In the human body, chlorine dioxide rapidly breaks down to chlorite. A study was done with rats that revealed that chlorite quickly gets distributed throughout the body and organs, and it has a half life of over 40 hours. Unfortunately, this testing involves nuclear products and has not been done in humans.

[Guest guest]

Hello Arie,

I believe malaria has a CT value of 20 for a significant reduction and I think

you need a CT of 60 for total elimination. I can't find an exact listing for

malaria, but these are general values for wilderness water purification.

Tom

--- In , Arie Alon <maculeleh@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello Tom,

>  

> As malaria seems to be cured by only one or two doses of about 15-18 MMS1

drops, it would be interesting to know its CT value. Maybe this could put some

light on dosages for other issues.

>  

> Arie

[Guest guest]

Tom the most extensive research by scientist and doctors at this time for

malaria treatment with MMS1 has been done by the Lutheran Church. Here is the

scientist and doctors interpretation and much more information, perhaps you can

interpret this and help us understand this more.

http://www.malariainitiative.com/263/malaria-treatment-science/malaria-is-oxidan\

t-sensitive/

MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE

MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE

Dr. Hesselink, scientific researcher spent hundreds of hours searching

biochemical literature and medical literature pertaining to the biochemistry of

Plasmodia. Four species are commonly pathogenic in humans namely: Plasmodium

vivax, Plasmodium falciparum, Plasmodium ovale and Plasmodium malariae. What he

found was an abundance of confirmation that, just like bacteria, Plasmodia are

indeed quite sensitive to oxidants. [25a-25m]. Examples of oxidants toxic to

Plasmodia include: artemisinin, artemether [26a-26m], t-butyl hydroperoxide

[27a], xanthone [28a], various quinones [29a-29m] (e.g. atovaquone, lapachol,

beta-lapachone, menadione)

and methylene blue [30a-30i].

>

> Hello Arie,

>

> I believe malaria has a CT value of 20 for a significant reduction and I think

you need a CT of 60 for total elimination. I can't find an exact listing for

malaria, but these are general values for wilderness water purification.

>

> Tom

>

> --- In , Arie Alon <maculeleh@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hello Tom,

> >  

> > As malaria seems to be cured by only one or two doses of about 15-18 MMS1

drops, it would be interesting to know its CT value. Maybe this could put some

light on dosages for other issues.

> >  

> > Arie

>

[Guest guest]

Hello KGR,

There isn't much available in the public domain on chlorous acid. It is one of

those " trade secret " things.

However, the key to chlorous acid is proper activation and purity of the

chemicals used.

While the MMS protocol calls for a stoichiometric combination of the chemicals,

in actual practice this isn't efficient. It's kind of like automobiles. We now

have computers that are capable of running the engine at a stoichiometric air

fuel ratio, but very little time is actually spent at that ratio. Why? Because

driving conditions require different ratios.

I have found that using 5% sodium chlorite and 10% citric acid in a 1:1 ratio I

end up with a solution that has about 30% more oxidation potential than using

28% sodium chlorite and 10% citric acid in a 1:5 ratio. In MMS terms this means

that an equivalent 4 drop dose would oxidate as much as a MMS protocol 6 drop

dose.

The purity of chemicals also factor in. We are pretty much stuck with technical

grade sodium chlorite powder, but there are a wide range of citric acid powders

available. I hear some reports, now and again, of citric acid solutions

molding. I have never had that problem, however, I use USP grade citric acid.

The final chemical factor is the water used to mix the chemicals. You can use

tap water, but I have found much better results using double distilled water. I

am sure that you realize that in chemistry the devil is in the details, and

paying attention to the details pays large dividends.

Tom

> >

> > Hello KGR,

> >

> > The first thing to realize is that chlorine dioxide does not exist for any

length of time in the body. It is speculated that chlorous acid is what is

doing the work. When chlorous acid breaks down, it does release a trace amount

of chlorine dioxide, but the chlorine dioxide immediately breaks down to

chlorite. The chlorite is absorbed into the blood stream and organs where it

appears to have a half life of over 40 hours.

> >

> > Chlorine dioxide is great stuff, and if you can apply it directly to the

pathogen, it will quickly kill it. Unfortunately, it is so unstable that it

doesn't last long inside the body.

> >

> > CT testing is done to determine the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide

against various pathogens. I am not aware of any testing targeted toward normal

cells. I believe skin cells start to break down when exposed to concentrations

in the 1000 PPM range and above. Lung tissue is oxidized at concentrations of

chlorine dioxide gas in the 3 - 5 PPM range. I believe blood proteins are

oxidized at concentrations just over 50 PPM. As you can see, the reaction

within the body depends upon what part of the body you are dealing with.

> >

> > It is my belief (and well understood in industrial settings) that what many

consider herx reactions are really a mild form of chlorine dioxide poisoning.

Adding different juices and eating food uses up the chlorine dioxide making a

stronger dose more palatable, but you could do the same thing by reducing the

concentration.

> >

> > Chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid work via oxidation. If you get a

concentration of it in contact with a pathogen for a specific period of time,

you kill the pathogen. Let's take a look at Hepatitis C. On a hard surface to

eliminate Hepatitis C you need a CT of 5000. Typically a concentration of 500

PPM is used and left on for 10 minutes. Now if you have Hepatitis C inside the

body, this presents a big problem. The blood and the body can not support life

with a concentration of 500 PPM chlorine dioxide. Your body may survive a

concentration of 0.25 PPM in the blood, with heavy emphasis on the MAY SURVIVE.

If that was possible you would have to maintain that concentration in the blood

for about 14 days to kill off the Hepatitis C, if there was nothing else present

in the blood stream that used up the chlorous acid or chlorine dioxide. This

would be extremely hard to do, and would probably bring oxidation stress upon

other areas of the body in the process.

> >

> > Candida is another example. On a hard surface Candida needs a CT of 100 to

be eliminated. If you use a solution with a concentration of 100 PPM, it is

killed off in 1 minute. A 6 drop dose of MMS has about 380 PPM available

chlorine dioxide with about 76 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. If the

chlorine dioxide solution worked in the body the same as it does on a hard

surface, the candida would be killed off in just under a minute and a half with

one 6 drop dose...

> >

> > Dr. Hesselink has some ideas on how this works, but he is basing his

theories on the performance of chlorine dioxide outside the body. I don't think

we will know how it really works until there is some funding and approval for

some formal studies.

> >

> > I was able to find one study involving chickens and sodium chlorite. In 24

hours chickens fed sodium chlorite in their drinking water showed reduced E coli

in their digestive tract. They were slaughtered after the 24 hours so no long

term effects were studied. It could be that unactivated sodium chlorite may

actually work better in some cases. There are a couple of studies that indicate

that blood oxygen levels increase with the use of small amounts of sodium

chlorite. However, I am not sure these studies are still available for review,

and I don't believe they were accepted by the medical community. Still, I have

witnessed remarkable results with sodium chlorite and hold out hope that someone

will take a formal look at it.

> >

> > For now, it looks like everyone will just have to struggle along the best

they can.

> >

> > Tom

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

MMS is a 22.4% sodium chlorite solution and is much more concentrated than a 5%

sodium chlorite solution.

Wilderness water is purified using 4 PPM free chlorine dioxide with a hold time

of about 4 hours. If there are no cysts in the water, the hold time is reduced

to about 20 minutes.

Using a 22.4% sodium chlorite solution and 10% citric acid you would mix, in a

separate glass, 0.15 ml (2 1/2 drops) of the 22.4% sodium chlorite and activate

it with 0.15 ml of 10% citric acid, and let it activate for 10 minutes. Then

you would add it to 1 liter of water.

If you are using a 5% sodium chlorite solution the measurements would be 0.67 ml

(13.4 drops) of each.

To measure the residual you need to pick up some chlorine dioxide test strips.

They are available from laboratory supply outlets like Cole-Parmer.

You can also disinfect water by using unactivated sodium chlorite, however you

have to wait several days for the activation process to continue to the point

that the water is disinfected. If the water is already purified, you can keep

it from forming a biofilm by adding unactivated sodium chlorite to provide 5 PPM

available chlorine dioxide. This will activate over 3 - 5 years releasing trace

amounts of chlorine dioxide in the process and this will keep any biofilm from

forming on the stored water. Using 5% sodium chlorite you would add 0.17 ml

(3.4 drops) for each liter of water.

Some people think that they can just add a little sodium chlorite to water and

drink it. The idea is that the solution will become activated in the stomach.

This is a nice idea, but it doesn't work with wilderness water. It may be OK

with water in a motel or restaurant, but it is difficult to get uniform

activation and contact time in the stomach.

Tom

--- In , " " <@...>

wrote:

>

> I thought we put sodium chlorite dissolved in water (MMS-5%) to purify dirty

water. How many drops of the MMS-5% do we put in one liter of water, assuming

it has the worst virus and bacteria in it? How does one see the residual

chlorine dioxide?

> Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Healinghope,

Yes, I am aware of them, and actually have been in contact with Dr. Hesselink

concerning their efforts.

The information Dr. Hesselink has presented is based upon literature searches on

chlorine dioxide. They are actually trying to do some clinical trials in Africa

to verify and document how sodium chlorite solutions work with those infected

with malaria.

I pointed out to Dr. Hesselink that he may want to review the actual life span

of chlorine dioxide in the body, and also to take a look at industrial

activation of sodium chlorite. Hopefully he will review his documents with an

eye toward chlorous acid. At any rate, I am very excited that they are actually

trying to do some formal documentation of the effectiveness of these chemicals.

The one thing missing from Jim Humbles work is actual verification of his

malaria cures. I, and others, have spent hours on the phone trying to track

down the people mentioned in his book and the clinics where he said he worked

at, and the response has been that they no nothing of a malaria cure, no nothing

about MMS, and have never heard of Jim Humble. They are very interested in

anything that could help with malaria because it is a very serious health

problem. Whatever Jim Humble did in Africa, he didn't seem to leave a lasting

impression with the locals. I have even contacted missionary doctors that were

going to some of the same areas Jim Humble was in, and they returned reporting

that they were unable to find anyone that new anything about Jim Humble, a

malaria cure, or MMS. It is my hope that the Lutherans do a better job of

record keeping and are able to leave a lasting impression upon the people in

Africa.

Tom

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> Tom the most extensive research by scientist and doctors at this time for

malaria treatment with MMS1 has been done by the Lutheran Church. Here is the

scientist and doctors interpretation and much more information, perhaps you can

interpret this and help us understand this more.

>

http://www.malariainitiative.com/263/malaria-treatment-science/malaria-is-oxidan\

t-sensitive/

> MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE

>

> MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE

> Dr. Hesselink, scientific researcher spent hundreds of hours searching

biochemical literature and medical literature pertaining to the biochemistry of

Plasmodia. Four species are commonly pathogenic in humans namely: Plasmodium

vivax, Plasmodium falciparum, Plasmodium ovale and Plasmodium malariae. What he

found was an abundance of confirmation that, just like bacteria, Plasmodia are

indeed quite sensitive to oxidants. [25a-25m]. Examples of oxidants toxic to

Plasmodia include: artemisinin, artemether [26a-26m], t-butyl hydroperoxide

[27a], xanthone [28a], various quinones [29a-29m] (e.g. atovaquone, lapachol,

beta-lapachone, menadione)

> and methylene blue [30a-30i].

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Introducing Miracle Mineral Solution Two

by Jim Humble, August 15, 2009

Note From Editor

I am adding this note here because, this is a

copy of Jim Humbles page from his website, and it is a Cache page from Google, as when I tried to get the real page it was not available for some reason, so I just copied the one Google had in Cache.

I don't know why it was not available, but all I wanted is the information to get to the public on what MMS 2 is and how you can get it. That info follows and I think Jim has done a great service to the worlds population in doing all his research and making it available to everyone.

Even though he is being hassled by our government to keep this information from the public, he continues to dodge them by traveling all over the world and staying ahead of their pursuit of him. I am not sure if this page will be here for very long, as our gov, is trying to protect Big Pharma and their profits.

If everyone had the information that Jim Humble has put on the internet and made good use of it, then Big Pharma would have a big dent made in their greedy profits, and the world population would be much healthier.

My opinion is it is criminal to keep this information secret and let people die in misery as many do, when all this simple evidence can save millions of lives throughout the world.

The lives in Haiti that could be saved, if every doctor and Paramedic had some of this in their bag of medicine and

could use it, but our Conventional medical industry will not allow them

to use any Natural substances as a cure for any disease.

Some day maybe the hold on this country by Big Corporations will be broken and we can use what ever we need to stay

healthy, without having to use their poison chemicals. OK, enough of my

ranting, read Jim,s info below.

A new Miracle Mineral is being introduced here. It should have all the fanfare of one of the most important medicines that has ever been introduced to mankind.

Unfortunately we inventors, as opposed to multibillion dollar research organizations, never have the money for fanfare. We're lucky to scrape

together 50 cents to buy an envelope to mail the concept back to ourselves for a cheap inventor's patent protection. So here it is - the

announcement of a new

miracle mineral - but without much fanfare.

Hypochlorous acid is an acid that the human immune system uses to kill pathogens of all kinds throughout the body, and many other

things that sometimes need to be destroyed. For example when killer cells get old and worn out they turn against the body; the immune system

recognizes the problem and proceeds to destroy the worn-out cells with hypochlorous acid.

This acid is probably the most important acid the body makes to maintain

health. I think that qualifies it to be considered natural. It is

a naturally produced acid because the body's immune system makes it. It's not manufactured in a chemical plant somewhere. The

fact is, hypochlorous acid will kill most pathogens in the body - even the powerful malaria parasite if enough of the acid is present.

However, for whatever reason, Mother Nature did not provide the human body with the means to generate enough hypochlorous acid to

kill all the diseases that might enter the body. Maybe making the acid is just too complex to generate large quantities of it

that are now required to destroy the powerful "incurable" diseases that have come to be on this planet.

In a more perfect world not much of the acid would be needed.

Suppose you were a medical researcher 80 years ago and you were interested in overcoming diseases in the human body, and you were

aware of this data - that hypochlorous acid kills disease pathogens. Well, the fact is, this data was known 80 years ago. Don't you

think you would have spent a little bit of time on the idea of how to supply the body with a little more hypochlorous acid? The body

has been using hypochlorous acid to kill disease germs for a million years.

Isn't that a logical idea - that a medical researcher attempting to find

cures for diseases, would at least try giving the body a little bit more hypochlorous acid when germs or disease threaten? Well I think it's logical and if medical researchers were attempting to find "cures" for people instead of making costly drugs that keep people back, they would have found this hypochlorous acid miracle cure and many other such

cures - long ago.

So any way, the goal here is to describe Miracle Mineral Number Two.

It is so far beyond any known medical drug that there is simply no comparison. You

can't compare it with medical drugs as they are not intended to overcome

or cure diseases. This MMS2 kills pathogens and actually aids

healing. So what is it? As far as an antibiotic is concerned, it kills

pathogens instantly by blowing a hole in the skin. It's not

like medical antibiotics which can take from hours to weeks to penetrate

the skin of a pathogen, slowly destroying the nucleus or

something in the nucleus - if the pathogen hasn't developed resistance. But with MMS2, pathogens that cause diseases of all kinds cannot develop a resistance to hypochlorous acid. The body chose well when it developed the ability to generate hypochlorous acid. Down through the centuries no pathogen has ever developed a resistance to it.

And maybe, just maybe Mother Nature chose well when she made the various

deadly diseases, because even though some of them are

anaerobic and some are aerobic, none of them are resistant to MMS1 or MMS2 or the combination of 1 and 2. Isn't that kind of

strange? Of course we don't have the money for research in this area, but many thousands of people have called me or emailed me

representing hundreds of different diseases that have been handled with both of these Miracle Minerals.

So what is it that turns into hypochlorous acid that your body can use? Well, there happens to be a very cheap simple chemical

that actually turns into this acid. Your body then can take that acid and use it throughout the body. I've been using it for 4

years personally. My clinic and group of people in Mexico have been using it for more than a year with many people. I was at

first sending it out to people mostly with prostate cancer, but we then started using it on many things including HIV.

What we found out recently is that MMS (now called MMS1) when given to HIV people generally cures all of their health problems associated with the

HIV, but it does not cure the HIV in some cases. It is more valuable than the HIV drugs for treating HIV, but it doesn't kill

the HIV virus always, just sometimes.

So enter MMS2. When taken with MMS1, the two together have produced negative blood test readings (basically that means cured) in quite a few

HIV cases so

far. In fact, all of the cases receiving both MMS1 and 2 have checked negative (free from HIV). We don't have thousands of cases so far and we

will produce the necessary case studies when the Foundation and Institute for Advanced MMS Studies is funded. But just to give you an idea, the protocol for HIV has been: three activated drops of MMS1 each hour for at least 8 hours during the day, plus one size zero capsule of MMS2 taken every two hours for eight hours per day - all done continuously for three weeks, then we submit blood to the testing lab. Oh

yes, at first drink 2 glasses of water with the MMS2 capsule and then always one full glass of water thereafter with each capsule.

Never make yourself sick, always reduce your intake of both MMS1 and 2 if you notice it is making you more sick than you already are. We have also had some

fantastic results with cancers using MMS2. Also for the new flu now going around, use this same protocol for this flu, but not for

three weeks, do it until well. Some people will be well in 8 hours and some will take a week or two. Be especially careful to reduce

all the way to zero if it seems that the MMS is making you feel worse. But start again very soon.

If you feel worse, that's caused by killing the disease so rapidly that it generates too much poison too fast. Go slower. If you don't have MMS1 still use MMS2. I have seen enough people cured of enough diseases

to believe that if you only have MMS2 it will do the job. Use it in a capsule once an hour.

Increase the amount if you can, decrease if you feel worse. You can use

it with any medication. The medication does not hurt MMS2 and MMS2 doesn't harm the medication.

Do you see? We should now have such a fantastic medical system that there would at this time be no such thing as disease and very

little bad health if our medical system had been controlled by ethical people trying to cure diseases rather than make money.

MMS1 and MMS2 is just a drop in the bucket. Although I believe that MMS1 coupled with MMS2 will cure most of the diseases of

mankind, I believe that hundreds of miracle minerals will come that will

change the understanding of medicine. In the future no drug

will ever be made from poisonous substances that all medical drugs are made from now. MMS1 and MMS2 are not poisonous to the body and

they do no damage in the body.

OK, so what is MMS2? What chemical turns to hypochlorous acid in the body? Hold on to your hat. It's a special type of swimming ----- pool ----- chlorine. Well, that's what everybody calls it

- swimming pool chlorine. BUT it is really not chlorine. It's a special agent that is used to "shock" the pool, called CALCIUM HYPOCHLORITE.

People are used to being told that you shock a pool with chlorine, but that's not really the scientific facts. It's easy to explain this way. The scientific facts are that no free chlorine is added to the pool. The

pool is in fact shocked with hypochlorous acid. A pouch of 78% calcium

hypochlorite (about one pound) costs less than $5 dollars in the US. You can buy it at any swimming pool supply store, but not just any pool chlorine. It has to be calcium hypochlorite.

That's right, when it is put into pool water it instantly changes into hypochlorous acid. It's not the same as chlorine in water. Not at all.

Other chemicals change into chlorine, but not calcium hypochlorite. It changes into HOCl (that's the chemical formula for hypochlorous acid). It is a combination of hydrogen, oxygen, and chlorine. Like table salt it also has chlorine in it, but it reacts far differently than chlorine.

MMS1 and MMS2 are made from two of the cheapest mineral substances that we have. MMS1 will cure malaria, the worst disease of mankind, in about 10 hours and for less than 5 cents. MMS2 is similar in cost if not cheaper.

My friend Bill Boynton, who helped me with the chemistry of MMS1 also suggested pool chlorine to me back in 2003. I wondered why the pool

chlorine might be beneficial. He and I were using it before we knew what

it was. So a bit of simple research turned up the fact that it was hypochlorous acid. Doctors in medical school learn all about hypochlorous acid in their schooling because it is a critical component produced and used by the immune system.

So you see it wasn't because I was all that smart; it was just that I was looking for opportunities without worrying if I was fitting into a medical groove or not.

Now, let's look at how we used it. Keep in mind that anything I say here I do not suggest that you go and do. Anything that you do

is strictly on your own. I cannot suggest medical things to you. This is simply what we did. Also the "we" that I talk about here is

not the same as my friend Bill that I mention above. I do not mention names here to protect the innocent and to keep my friends

out of harm's way. Later when I write my book for posterity I will name

all those who helped me and worked with me, however for now, I

feel it is best that I don't.

First, a friend in Canada mentioned in an email that he had a friend who

had prostate cancer. I said why not try hypochlorite. He said he would ask his friend and to make a long story short I sent him an envelope of 50 size zero gel capsules stuffed with calcium hypochlorite from a local pool store. (The

supply in pool stores is anywhere from 45% calcium hypochlorite to 85%. Most is around 75%. I have used it all from 45% to 55% to

65% to 75% to 80%.

There are always other chemicals in the mixture. The other chemicals are all designed for use in pools so they are not poisonous and most of them are used in foods or processing foods. You only take a tiny bit of

the white powder in a size zero capsule and thus you never get more than the recommended daily dose of any of these chemicals. Anyway he took the 50 capsules at about 4 a day and called me up and said that he felt much better but did I have some more as he still wasn't well. So I sent him 50 more and he finally got back to me saying his prostate cancer was all gone.

So Bill and I sent it out to various people with prostate problems and prostate cancer. When we got word back they all said they felt better

or that the problem was completely gone. (These are the ones that got back to me, and only because I begged them. Mostly

people don't get back to us unless they still need more.) I found out that most people who are feeling good won't go back to a doctor

so too often I have to take their word that they are OK.

So there you have MMS2. It is effective for many things and very effective for healing wounds and other skin problems. It aids MMS1

to kill most all so called incurable diseases and it may be as good as MMS1. It kills the pathogens and germs on a wound without

doing damage to the broken tissues. Just empty a zero size capsule in a

quarter glass of water and use that on the wound. Alcohol,

hydrogen peroxide, iodine, and all other disinfectants all do a certain amount of damage to the wound causing increased healing time to the

damaged cells, but MMS2 kills the pathogens and does no damage and thus the healing is much faster. There is research about this wound healing factor on the Internet. You can look it up. I hesitate to say more because of copyrights.

I realize, of course, that much more research is needed and I should have done most of that research already, but as you know I

have to plead lack of millions of dollars for that research until the Foundation is funded. [ Click Here to visit the Foundation Site ] . I decided that I must release the information as the urgency became greater and

greater in my own mind. I can't afford, Earth can't afford for me to wait any longer. As it is I have waited 9 months longer than I

should, than safety for the data would allow.

Yesterday if the bad guys had taken me to prison or "horizontalized" me,

chances are this data would never be known to Earth's people. Now today as of this date this data is released on the Internet. The bad guys will never be able to totally suppress this information. It will always be somewhere and it will eventually become known. Shooting me won't stop it. They might slow it down a lot, but never stop it.

And in keeping with my policy written in my MMS book at miraclemineral.org I cannot allow this data to be owned

by any one individual or group. Like MMS1 it is too important for that.

If owned by any one group there would always be those who

are left out of the loop. Anyone or everyone can make up MMS2, use it, or sell it, or distribute it for free or whatever.

So this paper has the same copyright as my book exactly. Because of space I won't quote it completely, but it makes this paper

public domain in case of my death or incarceration.

MMS2 is in some ways like gravity. You know it works just by learning the information. Research is not needed to prove that. It's

like gravity and dropping an orange. You open your fingers and the orange drops towards the Earth. You don't need research to prove

it. You might drop an orange once or twice, but it's obvious. Well MMS2

is the same way for many things.

Chemically it is obvious that hypochlorous acid can kill pathogens as that has already been proven. By the time you have finished studying the data it will be totally obvious what this acid can do. Many nay-sayers are going to find it a little bit more difficult to spread negative information about MMS2.

The negative blog writers, none of them, have any idea what they're chattering about with MMS1. MMS2 will be a lot more available to

everyone who chooses to experiment with it, and believe it or not, it is

already available in most countries of Africa, all cities of the US, Canada, Europe, and

around the world. It is so available that it couldn't possibly be suppressed throughout the world.

There's just one more point that I would like to make. I have been criticized quite often that I am not specific enough about my

data, suggesting I should give details and furnish names and numbers and

blood reports of those who have been cured. That would be nice if I could do that. But sorry, that isn't possible. Do you see? I would be

furnishing the evidence to put me in prison. Authorities in many countries would like to do that.

Wouldn't it be nice for them if I would just say, here guys use this evidence to lock me up. Over the last 100 years more than 100 people have been put in prison and their

books burned in the US alone, and some have been killed mysteriously - and many more than that throughout the world.

If you doubt this, just go to "FDA suppression" in Google. Several of my

friends have spent time in prison in the US with their business, home, car, bank account, and property all confiscated and never returned in just the last few years. You think I am exaggerating? Well go on the Internet and look up the

"Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000 HR1658" and then follow to the records of how much Assets were confiscated during for

example one year 2006. More than 6 billion dollars of property were confiscated and auctioned off. More than 3 billion dollars

were put into the government coffers as a result of the auctions for that one year.

Just this week it was published that the Federal Drug Administration has

the right and the power to state that Mercury is harmless and there should be no concern about taking it into your body through vaccinations. (Dr. Mercola [ Click Here to See it. ] )

The Federal authorities can come and take your property and savings - everything you own and at any time. They don't have to have a reason and there is

nothing you can do to get it back. So I have fair reason to be paranoid. Sorry, about the paranoia. I'm publishing this announcement from within other countries.

Good luck in using MMS2. Don't let the terrifying cautions on the pouch of Calcium Hypochlorite scare you away. I've tested it for years. If you

voluntarily and privately prepare MMS2 as suggested here (in size zero capsules only), it's both safe and beneficial - a chemical produced and needed by your own body in limited quantities. Be sure to drink ample water if you experiment with this discovery. I take it myself quite often as a maintenance-preventative strategy.

This announcement is primarily to get the information on the record and out to thousands of people around the world. I can't suggest that you follow and do what I have done. It's the information that's valuable - a

key to reducing and reversing illnesses. Thoughtful people will experiment and awaken to what is possible with this widely available Miracle Mineral Solution Number Two.

here is the link back

to MMS-1

At age 76 I'm here in a country with impure water, malaria, sleeping sickness, TB, herpes, 40% population with HIV, and I'm in contact with every disease imaginable carried by strangers who knock on my door at night seeking help - and I remain disease free. I'm fully active as this

is being written on August 15, 2009.

Jim Humble Somewhere in Africa

> >> > Tom the most extensive research by scientist and doctors at this time for malaria treatment with MMS1 has been done by the Lutheran Church. Here is the scientist and doctors interpretation and much more information, perhaps you can interpret this and help us understand this more.> > http://www.malariainitiative.com/263/malaria-treatment-science/malaria-is-oxidant-sensitive/> > MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE> > > > MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE> > Dr. Hesselink, scientific researcher spent hundreds of hours searching biochemical literature and medical literature pertaining to the biochemistry of Plasmodia. Four species are commonly pathogenic in humans namely: Plasmodium vivax, Plasmodium falciparum, Plasmodium ovale and Plasmodium malariae. What he found was an abundance of confirmation that, just like bacteria, Plasmodia are indeed quite sensitive to oxidants. [25a-25m]. Examples of oxidants toxic to Plasmodia include: artemisinin, artemether [26a-26m], t-butyl hydroperoxide [27a], xanthone [28a], various quinones [29a-29m] (e.g. atovaquone, lapachol, beta-lapachone, menadione)> > and methylene blue [30a-30i].>

[Guest guest]

http://my-healthy.info/mms2.htm

>

> Hello Healinghope,

>

> Yes, I am aware of them, and actually have been in contact with Dr. Hesselink

concerning their efforts.

>

> The information Dr. Hesselink has presented is based upon literature searches

on chlorine dioxide. They are actually trying to do some clinical trials in

Africa to verify and document how sodium chlorite solutions work with those

infected with malaria.

>

> I pointed out to Dr. Hesselink that he may want to review the actual life span

of chlorine dioxide in the body, and also to take a look at industrial

activation of sodium chlorite. Hopefully he will review his documents with an

eye toward chlorous acid. At any rate, I am very excited that they are actually

trying to do some formal documentation of the effectiveness of these chemicals.

>

> The one thing missing from Jim Humbles work is actual verification of his

malaria cures. I, and others, have spent hours on the phone trying to track

down the people mentioned in his book and the clinics where he said he worked

at, and the response has been that they no nothing of a malaria cure, no nothing

about MMS, and have never heard of Jim Humble. They are very interested in

anything that could help with malaria because it is a very serious health

problem. Whatever Jim Humble did in Africa, he didn't seem to leave a lasting

impression with the locals. I have even contacted missionary doctors that were

going to some of the same areas Jim Humble was in, and they returned reporting

that they were unable to find anyone that new anything about Jim Humble, a

malaria cure, or MMS. It is my hope that the Lutherans do a better job of

record keeping and are able to leave a lasting impression upon the people in

Africa.

>

> Tom

>

>

> --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@>

wrote:

> >

> > Tom the most extensive research by scientist and doctors at this time for

malaria treatment with MMS1 has been done by the Lutheran Church. Here is the

scientist and doctors interpretation and much more information, perhaps you can

interpret this and help us understand this more.

> >

http://www.malariainitiative.com/263/malaria-treatment-science/malaria-is-oxidan\

t-sensitive/

> > MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE

> >

> > MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE

> > Dr. Hesselink, scientific researcher spent hundreds of hours searching

biochemical literature and medical literature pertaining to the biochemistry of

Plasmodia. Four species are commonly pathogenic in humans namely: Plasmodium

vivax, Plasmodium falciparum, Plasmodium ovale and Plasmodium malariae. What he

found was an abundance of confirmation that, just like bacteria, Plasmodia are

indeed quite sensitive to oxidants. [25a-25m]. Examples of oxidants toxic to

Plasmodia include: artemisinin, artemether [26a-26m], t-butyl hydroperoxide

[27a], xanthone [28a], various quinones [29a-29m] (e.g. atovaquone, lapachol,

beta-lapachone, menadione)

> > and methylene blue [30a-30i].

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/holistic_alternative_medicine/new\

s.php?q=1257536387

>

> Hello Healinghope,

>

> Yes, I am aware of them, and actually have been in contact with Dr. Hesselink

concerning their efforts.

>

> The information Dr. Hesselink has presented is based upon literature searches

on chlorine dioxide. They are actually trying to do some clinical trials in

Africa to verify and document how sodium chlorite solutions work with those

infected with malaria.

>

> I pointed out to Dr. Hesselink that he may want to review the actual life span

of chlorine dioxide in the body, and also to take a look at industrial

activation of sodium chlorite. Hopefully he will review his documents with an

eye toward chlorous acid. At any rate, I am very excited that they are actually

trying to do some formal documentation of the effectiveness of these chemicals.

>

> The one thing missing from Jim Humbles work is actual verification of his

malaria cures. I, and others, have spent hours on the phone trying to track

down the people mentioned in his book and the clinics where he said he worked

at, and the response has been that they no nothing of a malaria cure, no nothing

about MMS, and have never heard of Jim Humble. They are very interested in

anything that could help with malaria because it is a very serious health

problem. Whatever Jim Humble did in Africa, he didn't seem to leave a lasting

impression with the locals. I have even contacted missionary doctors that were

going to some of the same areas Jim Humble was in, and they returned reporting

that they were unable to find anyone that new anything about Jim Humble, a

malaria cure, or MMS. It is my hope that the Lutherans do a better job of

record keeping and are able to leave a lasting impression upon the people in

Africa.

>

> Tom

>

>

> --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@>

wrote:

> >

> > Tom the most extensive research by scientist and doctors at this time for

malaria treatment with MMS1 has been done by the Lutheran Church. Here is the

scientist and doctors interpretation and much more information, perhaps you can

interpret this and help us understand this more.

> >

http://www.malariainitiative.com/263/malaria-treatment-science/malaria-is-oxidan\

t-sensitive/

> > MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE

> >

> > MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE

> > Dr. Hesselink, scientific researcher spent hundreds of hours searching

biochemical literature and medical literature pertaining to the biochemistry of

Plasmodia. Four species are commonly pathogenic in humans namely: Plasmodium

vivax, Plasmodium falciparum, Plasmodium ovale and Plasmodium malariae. What he

found was an abundance of confirmation that, just like bacteria, Plasmodia are

indeed quite sensitive to oxidants. [25a-25m]. Examples of oxidants toxic to

Plasmodia include: artemisinin, artemether [26a-26m], t-butyl hydroperoxide

[27a], xanthone [28a], various quinones [29a-29m] (e.g. atovaquone, lapachol,

beta-lapachone, menadione)

> > and methylene blue [30a-30i].

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Tom. Your note is truly very detailed and instructive for

someone not familiar in this field. I will print and keep this in my files. I

truly appreciate it.

>

> Hello ,

>

> MMS is a 22.4% sodium chlorite solution and is much more concentrated than a

5% sodium chlorite solution.

>

> Wilderness water is purified using 4 PPM free chlorine dioxide with a hold

time of about 4 hours. If there are no cysts in the water, the hold time is

reduced to about 20 minutes.

>

> Using a 22.4% sodium chlorite solution and 10% citric acid you would mix, in a

separate glass, 0.15 ml (2 1/2 drops) of the 22.4% sodium chlorite and activate

it with 0.15 ml of 10% citric acid, and let it activate for 10 minutes. Then

you would add it to 1 liter of water.

>

> If you are using a 5% sodium chlorite solution the measurements would be 0.67

ml (13.4 drops) of each.

>

> To measure the residual you need to pick up some chlorine dioxide test strips.

They are available from laboratory supply outlets like Cole-Parmer.

>

> You can also disinfect water by using unactivated sodium chlorite, however you

have to wait several days for the activation process to continue to the point

that the water is disinfected. If the water is already purified, you can keep

it from forming a biofilm by adding unactivated sodium chlorite to provide 5 PPM

available chlorine dioxide. This will activate over 3 - 5 years releasing trace

amounts of chlorine dioxide in the process and this will keep any biofilm from

forming on the stored water. Using 5% sodium chlorite you would add 0.17 ml

(3.4 drops) for each liter of water.

>

> Some people think that they can just add a little sodium chlorite to water and

drink it. The idea is that the solution will become activated in the stomach.

This is a nice idea, but it doesn't work with wilderness water. It may be OK

with water in a motel or restaurant, but it is difficult to get uniform

activation and contact time in the stomach.

>

> Tom

>

> --- In , " " <@>

wrote:

> >

> > I thought we put sodium chlorite dissolved in water (MMS-5%) to purify dirty

water. How many drops of the MMS-5% do we put in one liter of water, assuming

it has the worst virus and bacteria in it? How does one see the residual

chlorine dioxide?

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Arie,

It's time to get your PH meter out...

Let's compare notes. Pick an amount of sodium chlorite you want to test and

after metering the drops into a glass, simply put 1 drop of 10% citric acid.

Add 5 ml of water so we have enough solution to immerse the PH probe into and

let me know if the solution is acidic or basic.

When I put 10 drops of 28% sodium chlorite into a glass, add 1 drop of 10%

citric acid, then add 5 ml of water, I end up with a solution that has a PH of

about 3.5. What do you end up with?

Tom

> >

> > " Using a 22.4% sodium chlorite solution and 10% citric acid you would mix,

in a separate glass, 0.15 ml (2 1/2 drops) of the 22.4% sodium chlorite and

activate it with 0.15 ml of 10% citric acid, and let it activate for 10 minutes.

[aMMS] Then you would add it to 1 liter of water.

> >

> > If you are using a 5% sodium chlorite solution the measurements would be

0.67 ml (13.4 drops) of each. " [aMMSD]

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Tom,

OK I understand your point.

But is 1 drop of citric acid enough to release the necessary amount of chlorine dioxide?

Otherwise why would Jim insist on a 1:5 ratio?

Thank you for your patience.

Arie

From: silverfox_science <poast@...>Subject: [ ] Re: More answers from Tom Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 10:37 PM

Hello Arie,It's time to get your PH meter out...Let's compare notes. Pick an amount of sodium chlorite you want to test and after metering the drops into a glass, simply put 1 drop of 10% citric acid. Add 5 ml of water so we have enough solution to immerse the PH probe into and let me know if the solution is acidic or basic.When I put 10 drops of 28% sodium chlorite into a glass, add 1 drop of 10% citric acid, then add 5 ml of water, I end up with a solution that has a PH of about 3.5. What do you end up with?Tom> > > > "Using a 22.4% sodium chlorite solution and 10% citric acid you would mix, in a separate glass, 0.15 ml (2 1/2 drops) of the 22.4% sodium chlorite and activate it with 0.15 ml of 10% citric acid, and let it

activate for 10 minutes. [aMMS] Then you would add it to 1 liter of water.> > > > If you are using a 5% sodium chlorite solution the measurements would be 0.67 ml (13.4 drops) of each." [aMMSD]> >>

[Guest guest]

Hello Arie,

The amount of chlorine dioxide released from sodium chlorite depends on how low

you drop the PH of the solution. At a PH of 3.5, only about 10% of the

available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine dioxide.

I have no idea why Jim Humble thinks a 5:1 ratio is needed with citric acid.

Perhaps he is worried about the strength of the 28% solution and is diluting the

dose with extra citric acid. You will have to ask him about this.

I do know that a 1:1 ratio is more effective with 10% citric acid, and you don't

contaminate the solution with extra citric acid. Since many people can be

somewhat sensitive to citric acid, I would think that the least amount needed to

get the job done would be the best amount to use.

I think the real reason is that Jim started off using apple cider vinegar for

activation. Since no one in industry uses that activator, I don't know if a 1:1

ratio would work as well as his 5:1 ratio. There is a difference in the

strength of the acid. Vinegar is about 5% whereas the citric acid solution is

10%.

Often in industry a 50% citric acid solution is used with the ratio of 5 parts

sodium chlorite to 1 part 50% citric acid. Perhaps this brought some

confusion... I don't know.

Tom

--- In , Arie Alon <maculeleh@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello Tom,

>  

> OK I understand your point.

> But is 1 drop of citric acid enough to release the necessary amount of

chlorine dioxide?

> Otherwise why would Jim insist on a 1:5 ratio?

>  

> Thank you for your patience.

>  

> Arie