Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Tom, you are just too funny. :-) Samala, -------Original Message------- Finally, I am aware that some people actually drink some of this stuff and report favorable health benefits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Tom, When using MMS5 for house and food cleaning , what is the appropriate number of drops to 1 liter? Do we use it inactivated? Another worry, my vendor told me if inactivated MMS dries, it becomes extremely combustible, is this true? Some people remove mold from their homes using activated MMS just by leaving a bowl of it in closed enviroment. The chlorine gas is explosive, is it not? These warnings have been preventing me from using it as a cleaner. I am too afraid of explosions and fires. Thanks. > > > > This is primarily directed to Tom: since you mentioned 1000's of uses for dilute MMS. If you have a list on a doc that you could post, that would be great. If you do so, please indicate in your message that we can go to this group site and get the doc. Or, perhaps a download link can be included in such a message. Thanks a lot --Pat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hello , Take a moment and grab a cup of whatever you drink when you are about to tackle a difficult task... When it comes to chlorine dioxide products the rest of the world works in PPM concentrations and uses measuring devices to measure out the amounts used. When you need a very small amount, you have two choices. One is to dilute down to a concentration that lends itself to a measuring device, the other is to accept a " less than accurate " drop measurement. When all that is needed is 1 drop, the drop measurement usually comes pretty close. However, when you get to using multiple drops, inaccuracies begin to add up and you can end up with inconsistent results. In this case you would dilute the solution down to a concentration that can be measured by conventional measuring devices. Now let take a look at safety. Sodium chlorite powder and high concentration solutions are considered hazardous chemicals. This means that there are dangers associated with handling and using these chemicals that are above and beyond the normal dangers associated with " household " chemicals. When the concentration of the sodium chlorite solution get to 5%, or lower, the hazardous classification is removed. You still have to be careful handling and using them, but you should be safe if you follow a due standard of care. Since MMS is a 28% (by weight) sodium chlorite solution, it falls into the classification of being a hazardous concentration, and it is dangerous to handle and use. This is why I advise everyone to dilute their MMS down to a much safer 5% concentration. If you spill some 28% sodium chlorite and it dries, it can ignite and start a fire simply by being exposed to sunlight or heat. Now that is a hazard you want to avoid. If you happen to spill some, be sure to amply dilute it. Not only is chlorine dioxide gas explosive, but activating a highly concentrated sodium chlorite solution can release enough gas quick enough to blow up a container if the conditions are right. However, the activation concern is much larger than the high gas concentration concern. A high enough concentration of gas would kill you long before it got to the point of exploding. If you improperly activate a 28% sodium chlorite solution and happen to have it in something like a flower bud vase, you can blow the vase apart spreading shards of glass over quite a distance, and with enough force to stick in wood. (Don't ask me how I know this... ) OK, now that we have that out of the way we can carry on. Remember to treat high concentration chemicals with the respect they demand. When using chlorine dioxide solutions you first have to figure out what you are trying to eliminate. Chlorine dioxide is not a detergent, so you first have to clean, then disinfect. Chlorine dioxide kills by having a concentration of it in contact with the pathogen for a specific period of time. In the home, most pathogens can be eliminated using a 60 PPM free chlorine dioxide concentration. This is also low enough that it does not cause bleaching. To mix up a 60 PPM free chlorine dioxide solution for general, around the house, sanitizing you would put 10 ml of 5% sodium chlorite into a glass and add 10 ml of 10% citric acid. Let this activate for 10 minutes, then pour it into a spray bottle and add enough water to make a total solution of 500 ml. This is my most used concentration. When washing fruits and vegetables, it is a little strong so I cut it at least in half, and it would probably be best to go with a quarter of the concentration. When dealing with mold I will repeat that chlorine dioxide is not a detergent. You can mix up your solution and put it in a dish and kill the mold, but then you have to go back and wash off the mold. After that you can take your spray bottle and spray the area to deter any mold from coming back. Of course, you also have to remove the moisture source that is allowing the mold to form in the first place, and once you have done that, you can move on to cleaning up the mold. The 5% sodium chlorite solution should be treated with the same care you use with 3% hydrogen peroxide and 6% sodium hypochlorite (bleach). Tom --- In , " " <@...> wrote: > > Tom, > > When using MMS5 for house and food cleaning , what is the appropriate number of drops to 1 liter? Do we use it inactivated? Another worry, my vendor told me if inactivated MMS dries, it becomes extremely combustible, is this true? Some people remove mold from their homes using activated MMS just by leaving a bowl of it in closed enviroment. The chlorine gas is explosive, is it not? These warnings have been preventing me from using it as a cleaner. I am too afraid of explosions and fires. > > Thanks. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 A million thanks Tom for the clarification. I will surely dilute all my 28% sodium chlorite. Take care. > > > Hello , > > Take a moment and grab a cup of whatever you drink when you are about to tackle a difficult task... > > When it comes to chlorine dioxide products the rest of the world works in PPM concentrations and uses measuring devices to measure out the amounts used. When you need a very small amount, you have two choices. One is to dilute down to a concentration that lends itself to a measuring device, the other is to accept a " less than accurate " drop measurement. > > When all that is needed is 1 drop, the drop measurement usually comes pretty close. However, when you get to using multiple drops, inaccuracies begin to add up and you can end up with inconsistent results. In this case you would dilute the solution down to a concentration that can be measured by conventional measuring devices. > > Now let take a look at safety. > > Sodium chlorite powder and high concentration solutions are considered hazardous chemicals. This means that there are dangers associated with handling and using these chemicals that are above and beyond the normal dangers associated with " household " chemicals. When the concentration of the sodium chlorite solution get to 5%, or lower, the hazardous classification is removed. You still have to be careful handling and using them, but you should be safe if you follow a due standard of care. > > Since MMS is a 28% (by weight) sodium chlorite solution, it falls into the classification of being a hazardous concentration, and it is dangerous to handle and use. This is why I advise everyone to dilute their MMS down to a much safer 5% concentration. > > If you spill some 28% sodium chlorite and it dries, it can ignite and start a fire simply by being exposed to sunlight or heat. Now that is a hazard you want to avoid. If you happen to spill some, be sure to amply dilute it. > > Not only is chlorine dioxide gas explosive, but activating a highly concentrated sodium chlorite solution can release enough gas quick enough to blow up a container if the conditions are right. However, the activation concern is much larger than the high gas concentration concern. A high enough concentration of gas would kill you long before it got to the point of exploding. If you improperly activate a 28% sodium chlorite solution and happen to have it in something like a flower bud vase, you can blow the vase apart spreading shards of glass over quite a distance, and with enough force to stick in wood. (Don't ask me how I know this... ) > > OK, now that we have that out of the way we can carry on. Remember to treat high concentration chemicals with the respect they demand. > > When using chlorine dioxide solutions you first have to figure out what you are trying to eliminate. Chlorine dioxide is not a detergent, so you first have to clean, then disinfect. Chlorine dioxide kills by having a concentration of it in contact with the pathogen for a specific period of time. In the home, most pathogens can be eliminated using a 60 PPM free chlorine dioxide concentration. This is also low enough that it does not cause bleaching. > > To mix up a 60 PPM free chlorine dioxide solution for general, around the house, sanitizing you would put 10 ml of 5% sodium chlorite into a glass and add 10 ml of 10% citric acid. Let this activate for 10 minutes, then pour it into a spray bottle and add enough water to make a total solution of 500 ml. > > This is my most used concentration. When washing fruits and vegetables, it is a little strong so I cut it at least in half, and it would probably be best to go with a quarter of the concentration. > > When dealing with mold I will repeat that chlorine dioxide is not a detergent. You can mix up your solution and put it in a dish and kill the mold, but then you have to go back and wash off the mold. After that you can take your spray bottle and spray the area to deter any mold from coming back. Of course, you also have to remove the moisture source that is allowing the mold to form in the first place, and once you have done that, you can move on to cleaning up the mold. > > The 5% sodium chlorite solution should be treated with the same care you use with 3% hydrogen peroxide and 6% sodium hypochlorite (bleach). > > Tom > > > --- In , " " <@> wrote: > > > > Tom, > > > > When using MMS5 for house and food cleaning , what is the appropriate number of drops to 1 liter? Do we use it inactivated? Another worry, my vendor told me if inactivated MMS dries, it becomes extremely combustible, is this true? Some people remove mold from their homes using activated MMS just by leaving a bowl of it in closed enviroment. The chlorine gas is explosive, is it not? These warnings have been preventing me from using it as a cleaner. I am too afraid of explosions and fires. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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