Re: Question for Tom / SilverFox - Cancer/AIDS Protocol...

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Hello ,

The particular concentration that you use to mix up a solution should be picked

in terms of safe handling. The 5% solution is much safer to handle, and I

recommend using that.

Chlorine dioxide works by having a concentration of it in contact with the

pathogen for a specific period of time. The higher the concentration, the less

time is needed to kill the pathogen. The lower the concentration the longer

time needed.

Your confusion, and many people share the same confusion, is that you are

looking at the raw chemicals and not at the finished dose.

Concentrations of chlorine dioxide are classified in terms of PPM.

The 22.4% sodium chlorite solution has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide.

The 5% sodium chlorite solution had 50000 PPM available chlorine dioxide.

This is the raw material.

Now we move on to mixing up a dose.

Wilderness water purification uses a 4 PPM concentration. Can you mix a 4 PPM

chlorine dioxide solution using the 22.4% raw material? Yes. Can you also make

it using the 5% raw material? Yes.

The human body seems to be able to tolerate a concentration of free chlorine

dioxide in the 25 - 30 PPM range. Can you make yourself sick while using the

22.4% raw material? Yes. Can you make yourself sick while using the 5% raw

material? Yes.

The raw material is not what counts. What counts is the finished dose.

The raw material has to be strong enough for your application, and I think

safety in handling is very important. If a child picks up a bottle of the 22.4%

solution and drinks it, there is a good chance the child will die. If you

splash some of the 22.4% solution on your hand and then wipe some dust from your

eye, it is possible to do damage to the eye. If you spill some of the 22.4%

solution on organic material and let it dry, it is possible for it to catch on

fire.

None of these problems exist with the 5% solution. It is simply much safer to

handle.

Oxine is a commercial sodium chlorite product that has been used in hospitals,

the brewing and bottling industry, and on farms for 39 years. It is a 2%

solution. It is safer than the 5% solution, and its 39 year history of success

speaks volumes. It is very effective.

Bleaching occurs when the concentration of chlorine dioxide gets to around 1000

PPM or more. If I start with 224000 PPM raw material, can I mix up a 1000 PPM

strength? Yes. How about if I start with 50000 PPM raw material or 20000 PPM

raw material? Yes in both cases.

I hope this helps you understand that the main concern with the raw material is

the safety in handling and shipping it.

Now we can move on to the finished dose.

The question that needs to be answered is what concentration is needed to kill

pathogens inside the body.

With external use, we can run tests to determine the effectiveness of chlorine

dioxide against various pathogens. With water we can test for residual chlorine

dioxide. If there is a residual, we assume, and tests confirms, that all the

pathogens have been killed off.

Unfortunately, inside the body chlorine dioxide doesn't exist for more than

seconds, or minutes at the most. It quickly breaks down to chlorite. Chlorite

is an unstable free radical that we are unable to measure in the body. The MMS

protocol floods the body with chlorous acid and chlorite and citric acid. Since

serum levels of these chemicals are unmeasurable, testing and determining

effectiveness is very difficult.

We do know that we can slow down the degradation of a dead body by using

chlorous acid in the 900 - 1200 PPM available chlorine dioxide range. However,

since a living body only seems to be able to tolerate somewhere around 30 PPM,

there is a gap between what we know works with dead bodies and what is hoped for

in living bodies.

Many people have claimed success with the internal use of MMS. When I take a

closer look at these cases I find that in most of the cases the original illness

was self diagnosed, and the cure was also self diagnosed. In the cases where a

medical professional documented and diagnosed a problem, there are very few

reports indicating that after following the MMS protocol they went back to the

medical professional for a follow up and the problem was gone. There are a

couple of these, but not enough to warrant the title of miracle solution. Also,

when I look closely at these cases I find that the MMS protocol was one of many

treatments used, so it is difficult to determine what part of the healing MMS

was responsible for.

On the other hand, I can find thousands of stories of people experiencing better

health after using a product called Stabilized Oxygen. Stabilized Oxygen is

about a 2.5% solution of sodium chlorite. A few drops are mixed with water and

it is swallowed. The original thought was that it provided the body with extra

oxygen, but it actually forms a dilute chlorous acid. My personnel experience

is that after studying and using both activated and unactivated sodium chlorite

solutions, the unactivated solution seems to be more effective more often.

There is a place for the activated solution, but I don't think it is the best

choice for every occasion.

I am overjoyed when I find out someone has overcome an illness. I don't think

that people should be sick. And when people follow the MMS protocol and claim

that they have overcome sickness, I rejoice with them. However when I hear of

all the adverse effects they endured, I can't help but think there must be a

better way.

Back to your dad.

If it were my dad, I would have him drink water with sodium chlorite in it, and

use an enema to deliver a chlorine dioxide solution near the prostrate. I would

also explore other treatments like oleanderOPC and I believe there are other

herbs that are friendly to the prostrate. I would also involve him in exercise

designed to move the fluids in the lymph system. While you are at it, have is

vitamin D blood levels checked too.

Tony Issacs has a lot of information on oleander and cancer, so you should

contact him about how it is used in the case of prostrate cancer.

Take a gallon jug of water and add 0.625 ml (1/8 teaspoon) of the 22.4% sodium

chlorite to it. Have your dad start out drinking 1 liter of this a day with the

goal of working up to 2 liters a day. This is continued for about a month, then

cut the concentration in half.

The enema solution is a little more complex. You first have to clean out the

" crap " out of the colon, then you can administer the chlorine dioxide solution.

The goal is to have the chlorine dioxide absorb through the colon wall, through

the body cavity, and into the prostrate gland. That is a long way to go, but

possible. This solution will require you to mix up some 5% sodium chlorite, and

you will be using 6% HCl for activation.

It is probably best to start with a concentration of 225 PPM free chlorine

dioxide and work from there. You will have to catch the expelled solution and

check it to see if there is any chlorine dioxide left in it. If it is all used

up, the strength can be increased a little.

You would put 7.5 ml (1 and 1/2 teaspoons) of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and

add 7 ml of 6% HCl. Let this activate for about 30 seconds and then add it to 1

liter of water. This will give you a liter of solution with a concentration of

225 PPM free chlorine dioxide. You now need to add 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda

to buffer the PH.

This solution will keep for a few days, so you don't need to use it all at once.

Just squirt a little in (I am totally guessing something like 4 - 8 ounces),

have your dad hold it for a few minutes, and then catch what comes out to see if

there is any chlorine dioxide left. If there is a residual, just do this a

couple of times a day. If there isn't a residual, try it again, catch it again

and check it again. If there still is no residual, you will need to go up a

little in strength.

The prostrate is located near the lower end of the colon, so there is no need to

fill the entire colon. You just want to fill the area that is close to the

prostrate.

The down side is that this strength will kill off the flora in the lower colon.

You will have to add lots of probiotics to the diet to keep things in balance.

If it were possible to cut your dad open and apply the chlorine dioxide solution

directly to the infected area of the prostrate, that would be ideal. However,

that is not possible, so we won't go there.

If your dad is anything like my dad, he probably won't be excited about sticking

things or having things stuck up his bottom. Another option is to prepare a

bath that he can soak in. This will allow the chlorine dioxide to penetrate

through the anus and the penis. The problem with the bath is that you have to

keep the concentration of chlorine dioxide low enough that it does not cause

respiratory distress. Your dad may be able to tolerate a 20 PPM chlorine

dioxide concentration if you leave the bathroom fan on and the door slightly

open to allow for good circulation.

My bath tub takes about 60 liters to fill it 6 inches full. Assuming your tub

is similar you can mix 40 ml ( 2 tablespoons plus 2 teaspoons) of 5% sodium

chlorite in a glass and add 40 ml of 6% HCl to it. Let it activate for 30

seconds, then add it to the warm tub water. Have your dad sit in the water

until it cools down.

Under ideal conditions you don't want to detect any chlorine dioxide odor at

all. In actual conditions, there may be a slight odor. If the odor is strong,

you should cut the chemicals in half and go with that.

The water with the sodium chlorite in it may find some chlorous acid being

adsorbed into the blood stream and it may end up at the prostrate. This is the

internal attack. The external application may help too. If chlorine dioxide is

going to help, this seems like a decent approach, and it subjects the body to

the least amount of oxidative stress.

If you add the oleander or other herbs, there is a possibility that the

prostrate can be returned to proper health.

Tell your dad that we are praying for him. I would love to have your dad go

back to his urologist and receive a report of " spontaneous remission... "

Tom

--- In , Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Tom,

>

> First, many thanks for being willing to share your obviously

> considerable knowledge and experience with MMS on the list...

>

> I have a question about Jims AIDS/Cancer protocol, and what you might do

> under the following circumstances.

>

> My father was recently diagnosed with stage IV prostate cancer. The good

> news is, the MRIs seem to show that it apparently hasn't spread to the

> bones and lymph yet, but the bad news (aside from the stage IV

> diagnosis) is, they can never be certain of that.

>

> My question is, would you still use the 5% solution? Or maybe a higher

> solution, like 10%, but still lower than the 22.5%?

>

> When he tried Jims regular protocol with the full strength solution, it

> was just causing him way too much distress, in the form of nausea,

> headaches, etc, and he had to stop...

>

> Hi would probably be willing to try it again if he could possibly expect

> considerably less distress from the lower concentration solution. A

> little discomfort is not a problem, but he was so sick that he thought

> he was going to die (from the MMS).

>

> Thanks for whatever thoughts you are willing to share on what you might

> do in his place.

>

> --

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2010-04-18 4:48 PM, silverfox_science wrote:

> Hello ,

Thank you very much Tom for the detailed response.

I will take some time to digest it, and then pass what I learn on to my

father.

If I have any follow-up questions, hopefully you won't mind if I pose

them here...

--

[Guest guest]

Hi TomFor 's father what is your opinion of passing a low electrical current from a Bob Beck "zapper," Tens machine or EMS through his prostate?Research at the Royal Albert Hospital in Melbourne has had good results from electrifying tumours in vivo and Bob Beck developed a non invasive electrification protocol for pathogen derived tumours based on the research of American scientists Dr. Kaali and Schwolsky who found

that a low electrical current attenuated pathogens..I would suggest placing an electrode at the base of his spine, or closer to his anus if he is comfortable with that, and the base of the penis while using low setting on the machine to pass the current through the prostate. It is a painless but very effective way of attenuating pathogens and I have tried all three machine with no ill effects. The only warning I would offer is not to pass the current through the heart or brain.Dave

[Guest guest]

Hello Dave,

I have no problem with that at all, however, I am not up on everything zappers

are capable of. The idea of electrolyzing body fluids locally has the potential

of providing a lot of benefit. However, you have some of the same issues that

go along with chlorine dioxide. You have to be able to locate the electrodes in

a way that the electrical field comes into contact with the infected area.

Also, you want to use a setting that is powerful enough to do the job, but not

so powerful that it kills you.

I believe there can be some free radicals released during zapping so it would be

a good idea to stock up and use a lot of anti oxidants.

Tom

--- In , Dave <dgs.clear@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Tom

>

> For 's father what is your opinion of passing a low electrical current

from a Bob Beck " zapper, " Tens machine or EMS through his prostate?

>

> Research at the Royal Albert Hospital in Melbourne has had good results from

electrifying tumours in vivo and Bob Beck developed a non invasive

electrification protocol for pathogen derived tumours based on the research of

American scientistsDr. Kaali and Schwolsky who

> found

> that a low electrical current attenuated pathogens..

>

> I would suggest placing an electrode at the base of his spine, or closer to

his anus if he is comfortable with that, and the base of the penis while using

low setting on the machine to pass the current through the prostate. It is a

painless but very effective way of attenuating pathogens and I have tried all

three machine with no ill effects. The only warning I would offer is not to

pass the current through the heart or brain.

>

> Dave

>

[Guest guest]

Where does one get the 6% HCL? I thought we activate with citric acid. Am i

missing something?

Thanks.

> > Hello ,

>

> Thank you very much Tom for the detailed response.

>

> I will take some time to digest it, and then pass what I learn on to my

> father.

>

> If I have any follow-up questions, hopefully you won't mind if I pose

> them here...

>

> --

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Sodium chlorite is activated by lowering its PH. There are many acids that can

be used to activate the solution.

HCl is used when you want to release all of the available chlorine dioxide as

free chlorine dioxide.

HCl is also known as Muriatic acid and is available in building supply stores.

It is used to etch and clean concrete. It comes in a liter bottle and is around

a 32% strength. You have to dilute it down to 6%. The last bottle I purchased

was 31.45%.

The last time I checked its cost was under $4.

Tom

> > > Hello ,

> >

> > Thank you very much Tom for the detailed response.

> >

> > I will take some time to digest it, and then pass what I learn on to my

> > father.

> >

> > If I have any follow-up questions, hopefully you won't mind if I pose

> > them here...

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom,

sorry, I had no time to reply to you. I'm suffering from CFS and my family doc gave me a small bottle MMS, and I bought 10% citric acid from the pharmacy to activate.

I feel better, have more energy, however, my bloodwork stays the same, my viral loads doesn't change, mu autoimmune parameters remain also the same. So, I don't know what it does to the body, to make me feel better.

Though, I have some questions for you, because I got confused how you play with the %-es . How much % does my MMS contain ? I understand that you use these % in order to make MMS yourself ? I got it from my familydoc.

Now, when I want to take on hourly basis MMS, because I took 3 drops+10 drops citric acid/day, how much should I take ? Take 3 drops/ hour ? and activate with 10 drops ca ? I want to create a bottle of MMS, and take it hourly.

Thanks,

OS.

From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 10:48:10 PMSubject: [ ] Re: Question for Tom / SilverFox - Cancer/AIDS Protocol...

Hello ,The particular concentration that you use to mix up a solution should be picked in terms of safe handling. The 5% solution is much safer to handle, and I recommend using that.Chlorine dioxide works by having a concentration of it in contact with the pathogen for a specific period of time. The higher the concentration, the less time is needed to kill the pathogen. The lower the concentration the longer time needed.Your confusion, and many people share the same confusion, is that you are looking at the raw chemicals and not at the finished dose.Concentrations of chlorine dioxide are classified in terms of PPM. The 22.4% sodium chlorite solution has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide.The 5% sodium chlorite solution had 50000 PPM available chlorine dioxide.This is the raw material.Now we move on to mixing up a dose.Wilderness water purification uses a 4 PPM

concentration. Can you mix a 4 PPM chlorine dioxide solution using the 22.4% raw material? Yes. Can you also make it using the 5% raw material? Yes.The human body seems to be able to tolerate a concentration of free chlorine dioxide in the 25 - 30 PPM range. Can you make yourself sick while using the 22.4% raw material? Yes. Can you make yourself sick while using the 5% raw material? Yes.The raw material is not what counts. What counts is the finished dose.The raw material has to be strong enough for your application, and I think safety in handling is very important. If a child picks up a bottle of the 22.4% solution and drinks it, there is a good chance the child will die. If you splash some of the 22.4% solution on your hand and then wipe some dust from your eye, it is possible to do damage to the eye. If you spill some of the 22.4% solution on organic material and let it dry, it is possible for it to catch on fire.None

of these problems exist with the 5% solution. It is simply much safer to handle.Oxine is a commercial sodium chlorite product that has been used in hospitals, the brewing and bottling industry, and on farms for 39 years. It is a 2% solution. It is safer than the 5% solution, and its 39 year history of success speaks volumes. It is very effective.Bleaching occurs when the concentration of chlorine dioxide gets to around 1000 PPM or more. If I start with 224000 PPM raw material, can I mix up a 1000 PPM strength? Yes. How about if I start with 50000 PPM raw material or 20000 PPM raw material? Yes in both cases.I hope this helps you understand that the main concern with the raw material is the safety in handling and shipping it.Now we can move on to the finished dose.The question that needs to be answered is what concentration is needed to kill pathogens inside the body.With external use, we can run tests to

determine the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide against various pathogens. With water we can test for residual chlorine dioxide. If there is a residual, we assume, and tests confirms, that all the pathogens have been killed off.Unfortunately, inside the body chlorine dioxide doesn't exist for more than seconds, or minutes at the most. It quickly breaks down to chlorite. Chlorite is an unstable free radical that we are unable to measure in the body. The MMS protocol floods the body with chlorous acid and chlorite and citric acid. Since serum levels of these chemicals are unmeasurable, testing and determining effectiveness is very difficult.We do know that we can slow down the degradation of a dead body by using chlorous acid in the 900 - 1200 PPM available chlorine dioxide range. However, since a living body only seems to be able to tolerate somewhere around 30 PPM, there is a gap between what we know works with dead bodies and what is

hoped for in living bodies.Many people have claimed success with the internal use of MMS. When I take a closer look at these cases I find that in most of the cases the original illness was self diagnosed, and the cure was also self diagnosed. In the cases where a medical professional documented and diagnosed a problem, there are very few reports indicating that after following the MMS protocol they went back to the medical professional for a follow up and the problem was gone. There are a couple of these, but not enough to warrant the title of miracle solution. Also, when I look closely at these cases I find that the MMS protocol was one of many treatments used, so it is difficult to determine what part of the healing MMS was responsible for.On the other hand, I can find thousands of stories of people experiencing better health after using a product called Stabilized Oxygen. Stabilized Oxygen is about a 2.5% solution of sodium chlorite.

A few drops are mixed with water and it is swallowed. The original thought was that it provided the body with extra oxygen, but it actually forms a dilute chlorous acid. My personnel experience is that after studying and using both activated and unactivated sodium chlorite solutions, the unactivated solution seems to be more effective more often. There is a place for the activated solution, but I don't think it is the best choice for every occasion.I am overjoyed when I find out someone has overcome an illness. I don't think that people should be sick. And when people follow the MMS protocol and claim that they have overcome sickness, I rejoice with them. However when I hear of all the adverse effects they endured, I can't help but think there must be a better way.Back to your dad.If it were my dad, I would have him drink water with sodium chlorite in it, and use an enema to deliver a chlorine dioxide solution near the prostrate.

I would also explore other treatments like oleanderOPC and I believe there are other herbs that are friendly to the prostrate. I would also involve him in exercise designed to move the fluids in the lymph system. While you are at it, have is vitamin D blood levels checked too.Tony Issacs has a lot of information on oleander and cancer, so you should contact him about how it is used in the case of prostrate cancer.Take a gallon jug of water and add 0.625 ml (1/8 teaspoon) of the 22.4% sodium chlorite to it. Have your dad start out drinking 1 liter of this a day with the goal of working up to 2 liters a day. This is continued for about a month, then cut the concentration in half.The enema solution is a little more complex. You first have to clean out the "crap" out of the colon, then you can administer the chlorine dioxide solution. The goal is to have the chlorine dioxide absorb through the colon wall, through the body cavity, and

into the prostrate gland. That is a long way to go, but possible. This solution will require you to mix up some 5% sodium chlorite, and you will be using 6% HCl for activation. It is probably best to start with a concentration of 225 PPM free chlorine dioxide and work from there. You will have to catch the expelled solution and check it to see if there is any chlorine dioxide left in it. If it is all used up, the strength can be increased a little.You would put 7.5 ml (1 and 1/2 teaspoons) of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and add 7 ml of 6% HCl. Let this activate for about 30 seconds and then add it to 1 liter of water. This will give you a liter of solution with a concentration of 225 PPM free chlorine dioxide. You now need to add 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda to buffer the PH.This solution will keep for a few days, so you don't need to use it all at once. Just squirt a little in (I am totally guessing something like 4 - 8

ounces), have your dad hold it for a few minutes, and then catch what comes out to see if there is any chlorine dioxide left. If there is a residual, just do this a couple of times a day. If there isn't a residual, try it again, catch it again and check it again. If there still is no residual, you will need to go up a little in strength.The prostrate is located near the lower end of the colon, so there is no need to fill the entire colon. You just want to fill the area that is close to the prostrate.The down side is that this strength will kill off the flora in the lower colon. You will have to add lots of probiotics to the diet to keep things in balance.If it were possible to cut your dad open and apply the chlorine dioxide solution directly to the infected area of the prostrate, that would be ideal. However, that is not possible, so we won't go there.If your dad is anything like my dad, he probably won't be excited

about sticking things or having things stuck up his bottom. Another option is to prepare a bath that he can soak in. This will allow the chlorine dioxide to penetrate through the anus and the penis. The problem with the bath is that you have to keep the concentration of chlorine dioxide low enough that it does not cause respiratory distress. Your dad may be able to tolerate a 20 PPM chlorine dioxide concentration if you leave the bathroom fan on and the door slightly open to allow for good circulation. My bath tub takes about 60 liters to fill it 6 inches full. Assuming your tub is similar you can mix 40 ml ( 2 tablespoons plus 2 teaspoons) of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and add 40 ml of 6% HCl to it. Let it activate for 30 seconds, then add it to the warm tub water. Have your dad sit in the water until it cools down.Under ideal conditions you don't want to detect any chlorine dioxide odor at all. In actual conditions, there may be a

slight odor. If the odor is strong, you should cut the chemicals in half and go with that.The water with the sodium chlorite in it may find some chlorous acid being adsorbed into the blood stream and it may end up at the prostrate. This is the internal attack. The external application may help too. If chlorine dioxide is going to help, this seems like a decent approach, and it subjects the body to the least amount of oxidative stress.If you add the oleander or other herbs, there is a possibility that the prostrate can be returned to proper health.Tell your dad that we are praying for him. I would love to have your dad go back to his urologist and receive a report of "spontaneous remission... "Tom>> Hi Tom,> > First, many thanks for being willing to share your obviously> considerable knowledge and experience with MMS on the list...> > I have a question about Jims AIDS/Cancer protocol, and what you might do> under the following circumstances.> > My father was recently diagnosed with stage IV prostate cancer. The good> news is, the MRIs seem to show that it apparently hasn't spread to the> bones and lymph yet, but the bad news (aside from the stage IV> diagnosis) is, they can never be certain of that.> > My question is, would you still use the 5% solution? Or maybe a higher> solution, like 10%, but still lower than the 22.5%?> > When he tried Jims regular protocol with the full strength solution, it> was just causing him way too much distress, in the form of nausea,> headaches,

etc, and he had to stop...> > Hi would probably be willing to try it again if he could possibly expect> considerably less distress from the lower concentration solution. A> little discomfort is not a problem, but he was so sick that he thought> he was going to die (from the MMS).> > Thanks for whatever thoughts you are willing to share on what you might> do in his place.> > -- > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tom for your reply. Does this mean the citric acid will not result in

more free chlorine dioxide then? What happens to the left over solution then?

> > > Hello ,

> >

> > Thank you very much Tom for the detailed response.

> >

> > I will take some time to digest it, and then pass what I learn on to my

> > father.

> >

> > If I have any follow-up questions, hopefully you won't mind if I pose

> > them here...

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Sodium chlorite solutions have a PH of around 12. When you lower the PH,

chlorine dioxide is released and the solution is activated.

When you use water to activate, only trace amounts of chlorine dioxide are

released.

Acetic acid is stronger than water, and as a result the PH is lowered further.

This means that more of the available chlorine dioxide is released.

Citric acid in lemon juice is a little stronger than the acetic acid in vinegar.

As a result the PH is dropped a little lower. When the PH is dropped lower,

more chlorine dioxide is released.

Now we come to mixed citric acid. 10% citric acid has a lower PH than lemon

juice, so more of the chlorine dioxide is released. 50% citric acid has a lower

PH than 10% citric acid. As a result more chlorine dioxide is released.

HCl has a very low PH. It releases all the available chlorine dioxide as free

chlorine dioxide.

When using chlorine dioxide solutions you first determine what you are trying to

oxidize, then you determine the existing load in the system, then you mix a

solution that is capable of overcoming the existing load, and having enough left

over to oxidize the pathogens. The various methods and acids used for

activation allow for custom oxidation profiles while still trying to minimize

the effects of oxidative stress.

Tom

--- In , " " <@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks Tom for your reply. Does this mean the citric acid will not result in

more free chlorine dioxide then? What happens to the left over solution then?

>

>