Re: For Tom

[Guest guest]

Yes. When I saw that over 600 Aspies would be misplaced from Aspergian

Island, the site that I helped create with Crucibelle, I felt it

necessary to pave the road for their possible return here if they so

desired. It was for them that I made this group when Aspergia shut

down and when they lejft I told them they would always have a home

here. That open door policy remains unchanged. (For those who aren't

trolls at least).

It seems the people currently residing here are not yet ready to see

that this necessary coming off of break is really...necessary.

Tom,

I apologize for being so direct here, but feel I have to be.

Yesterday, you posted a message, wherein you stated that you would be

taking a break from the boards for a while, and that Inger and

would be managing things for a while. Did you change your mind?

Not " sucking it in " , yet,

[Guest guest]

Could you please explain your last sentence to me?

Thanks.

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

Yes. When I saw that over 600 Aspies would be misplaced from Aspergian Island, the site that I helped create with Crucibelle, I felt it necessary to pave the road for their possible return here if they so desired. It was for them that I made this group when Aspergia shut down and when they lejft I told them they would always have a home here. That open door policy remains unchanged. (For those who aren't trolls at least).It seems the people currently residing here are not yet ready to see that this necessary coming off of break is really...necessary.Tom, I apologize for being so direct here, but feel I have to be. Yesterday, you posted a message, wherein you stated that you would be taking a break from the boards for a while, and that Inger and would be managing things for a while. Did you change your

mind?Not "sucking it in", yet,

[Guest guest]

It means that I can't take a break because I have to prepare to help

whoever decides to come here. It means that once again, I have to set

aside my own personal peace of mind to help others. It means another

night of sleepless rest while I think of ways to keep you all happy

and pave the way for the new folks.

Tom

" It seems the people currently residing here are not yet ready to see

that this necessary coming off of break is really...necessary. "

Could you please explain your last sentence to me?

[Guest guest]

Why don't you just stop for now and not allow anyone else in for the

moment. They'll survive. It's time to chill amigo.

Ken

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> Could you please explain your last sentence to me?

[Guest guest]

I agree Ken, but my use of the word " Aspergian " and the " Min " symbol as

well as my link to Aspergia's website are contingent on allowing

displaced Aspergians to reside her in case of emergency. I must let

them in if they knock at the door.

Tom

Why don't you just stop for now and not allow anyone else in for the

moment. They'll survive. It's time to chill amigo.

Ken

[Guest guest]

Hello Agnes,

Yes you are asking some very basic questions, but you are in the majority

because the basics can be very confusing.

I am not a health care professional, so I can not tell you what to take, how

much to take, and what is a safe amount to take. This is an experimental use of

these chemicals and no studies have been done on the effects of ingesting them.

Studies have been done with chlorine dioxide and chlorine dioxide in low

concentrations seems to be safe. MMS does form a small amount of chlorine

dioxide, but it is mainly made up of chlorous acid, and if you over activate it

there will be some citric acid in it as well.

I will point out that people have been using a product called stabilized oxygen

for decades and there are many success stories associated with its use.

Stabilized oxygen is a low concentration sodium chlorite solution activated with

water.

In order to activate sodium chlorite, you need to lower its PH. The lower you

drive the PH of sodium chlorite, the more chlorine dioxide is released.

When water is used to activate sodium chlorite solutions, only trace amounts of

chlorine dioxide are released as free chlorine dioxide. The rest of the

chlorine dioxide is held in solution as available chlorine dioxide. This

actually forms a chlorous acid solution. The chlorous acid breaks down over

time and releases the available chlorine dioxide as free chlorine dioxide.

When acids are used to activate sodium chlorite solutions, the amount of

chlorine dioxide released as free chlorine dioxide is related to how far the

acid pushes the PH down. In this case, the chlorous acid solution is made up of

available chlorine dioxide and free chlorine dioxide and the reaction take place

at a faster place.

The science behind these chemicals involves picking the right product to use,

and using a concentration that is effective.

Chlorine dioxide is used in water purification. Chlorous acid is not used in

water purification. If you are trying to purify water, you look at chlorine

dioxide technology.

Chlorous acid is used to slow down the bacterial growth that causes spoiling on

meats, seafood, vegetables, fruits, spices, and so on. Chlorine dioxide can

damage these products, so chlorous acid is used as kind of a sneaky way to get

small amounts of chlorine dioxide to kill off the bacteria, yet the

concentrations are low enough to not cause damage. In this case you are looking

at using acidified sodium chlorite technology. During the initial mix of

chemicals some chlorine dioxide is formed, but many times it is scrubbed off as

a waste product from the formation of chlorous acid.

When it comes to the body, you have to decide which technology to use. Both of

these are strong oxidizers, so you have to monitor for signs of oxidative

stress. Both of these produce by products, so you have to watch for adverse

reactions to those.

OK, enough of the basics, let's get back to your questions.

To make 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite from 22.4% sodium chlorite you would put

22.3 ml of the 22.4% sodium chlorite into a container and add enough distilled

water to bring the total up to 100 ml. If you don't have an accurate way to

measure fractional ml units, you can round this up to 22.5 ml and use 1

tablespoon + 1 teaspoon + 1/2 teaspoon.

You will have to discuss the next two questions with the medical professional on

your health care team.

Your final question is best answered by saying it depends...

Jim Humble claims to have had 70% success in helping people with malaria by

simply activating 3.5% sodium chlorite with water. His target of 100% success

drove him to stronger and stronger solutions and finally to activating the

solution. The problem is that the high concentration acid activated solution is

difficult to tolerate, so he has modified the protocol to work around this.

If you agree with Jim Humbles definition of success, 70% isn't all that bad.

When you activate with water, the chlorous acid solution has longer staying

power. When you activate with acid, the chlorous acid solution has more

immediate killing power.

For example, no one likes to have mold and mildew growing in the grout of the

shower. If you clean the mold and mildew out of the grout, a sodium chlorite

solution activated with water will keep new mold and mildew from forming for a

long period of time. However, if you don't do a good job of cleaning the

initial mold and mildew and leave some areas with mold and mildew contamination,

the acid activated solution will be better able to kill off the remaining mold

and mildew.

In both cases the solutions are effective, it is just that in one case the

circumstances called for a different method of activation.

You must also keep in mind that while we are discussing the basics, we

concentrate on the black and white aspects of sodium chlorite, however there are

many gray areas that afford some flexibility on how this chemical is used.

Tom

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> Tom and ,

> did interpret my question correctly but I guess in addition

> -  how do I make unactivatedMMS5 with the 28% MMS (22.4%)drops 

> - how is the best way to take UMMS5. 

> - is UMMS5 better than activated MMS5

> - Also can someone explain if the MMS is unactivated does it do the same work

as activated MMS

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> I am sorry if I am asking such basic questions but I don't know where else to

find out answers for the above.

> I am looking for a way to take MMS in a safe way

> Thankyou,

> Agnes

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> From: <gaiacita@...>

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> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 4:20:45 PM

> Subject: [ ] For Tom

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> Hi Tom.  I've been passing your information on to another list, since I told

them how much safer the MMS5 solution was over AMMS.

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> Anyway, this lady asked me this question.  I'm THINKING she means is there a

way to get an AMMS solution down to 5% activated?  In other words, if she

activated 1 drop MMS with 1 drop 50% citric, how much water would she have to

add this to to get a 5% AMMS5?

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> I have advised that unless there is something serious they are working on,

that pretty much unactivated MMS5 is the best way to go.

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> Anyway, here's her question.  Perhaps you read it differently.

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> Samala,

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> Could you explain if it is possible to use the 28% (22.4%) with 50% citric

acid and get it down to 5%. Please advise.

> Thank you

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