Liver

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In a message dated 11/3/98 9:59:47 PM CST, SEAFRAN731@... writes:

<< Wondering if anyone has any clue how to lower my liver enzyme

level???? Its been inching up higher and higher..I've got until

Nov 17th on the IV yet....been on since August....

>>

I just stopped my abx when my attack happened and the enzymes were high. They

were back to normal in a week.

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Hello :

Thanks for the compliment!

I checked the ingredients of the vitamins and herbal concoctions

I take...and milk thistle is not one of them...I will add it to my

daily vitamin snack. Thanks for the suggestion....in fact I will

check into getting it in the liquid form.....maybe the liquid will

get to the liver faster!

Fransea

NJ Seashore

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Milk Thistle is a great support for the liver.

Good luck,

Dona

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Dear Fransea,

I too get elevated lyme profiles. I take Milk Thistle, have you heard of

it? I was told to take the liquid form...haven't tried the liquid yet.

I will be having blood work in a few weeks...will see then if liver

profile is normal.

I've been reading your letters, you have alot of interesting and good

advice.

Take care,

karen

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Dera Fransea,

I just put an order in with PURITAN PRIDE vitamin cataloge. They are

having a 2 for 1 sale. I found the LIQUID milk thistle or $11.65, but

you get one free! Their # is 1-800-645-1030.

Also, for people who would like to take a melatonin, that works for me,

it is " PRO HEALTH " brand, also by mail. It goes under your tongue, which

goes straight to the blood stream. I keep it on my nightstand, because

it makes you drowsy within 15 minutes. Of course, it doesn't " knock " you

out, so when you start to feel sleepy, you shut off the t.v,and put

down the book, ect..... If you don't, you may miss the window within

that time frame for sleep. Their # is 1-800-366-6056.

I hope this isn't a problem, giving out information on products that I

use. I don't think this is considered " SPAMING " , right.

I just wanted to share.

God Bless,

KAREN

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Hello :

Thanks for the info on where to get the great deal on the

Liquid Milk Thistle. I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness! I will be

calling

tomorrow...

Fransea

NJ Seashore

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Hi ,

This is not considered spamming unless you own the company....LOL.

Thanks for the great information.

Hugs,

Marta

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I just put an order in with PURITAN PRIDE vitamin cataloge. They are

having a 2 for 1 sale. I found the LIQUID milk thistle or $11.65, but

you get one free! Their # is 1-800-645-1030.

Also, for people who would like to take a melatonin, that works for me,

it is " PRO HEALTH " brand, also by mail. It goes under your tongue, which

goes straight to the blood stream. I keep it on my nightstand, because

it makes you drowsy within 15 minutes. Of course, it doesn't " knock " you

out, so when you start to feel sleepy, you shut off the t.v,and put

down the book, ect..... If you don't, you may miss the window within

that time frame for sleep. Their # is 1-800-366-6056.

I hope this isn't a problem, giving out information on products that I

use. I don't think this is considered " SPAMING " , right.

I just wanted to share.

God Bless,

KAREN

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> I do have a great book (very inexpensive) that explains all of this

> stuff - have been reading & re-reading - so different from western

> medicine... If anyone is interested, will be glad to share name -

> let me know.

>

> Blessings,

Chris

Great news Chris! Yes I would like name of book, and if you don't mind could

you share where this doctor is located? Thanks.

tansy

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Where do you live? If you want you can e-mail me privately. I am interested in herbs and like natural treatments

[ ] LIVER

Hi All,Hope this finds all well & enjoying springtime. (Haven't been online much - email isn't working well (only through websites) & been busy).GREAT news is that we've found a traditional Chinese doc (trained in China) & the extreme fatigue / acne / kidney sluggishness, etc. is going away quickly!One thing doc said to do to help liver (for those of you with fatigue and/or elevated enzymes) is to just put a few drops of fresh lemon juice in drinking water. (Does something to stimulate & promote healthy liver function.)The acne herbs are awesome - saw such a dramatic improvement in 12 hrs, I asked a friend to tell me if I'd lost my mind! (BTW, as always, no interest - other than sharing info.)This doc said the acne is due to lung / large intestine problems & is treating with acupuncture & herbs. I do have a list of the herbs included, if anyone is interested. I am NOT advocating running out & trying to herb medicate yourself with Chinese herbs - this is powerful stuff & I highly recommend a trained practitioner (if so inclined).Energy level is up about 10,000%%%% after a healthy lunch & a nap (following 1st "balancing" tx).Today, doc did a "blood cleansing" tx - amazing stuff!I do have a great book (very inexpensive) that explains all of this stuff - have been reading & re-reading - so different from western medicine... If anyone is interested, will be glad to share name - let me know.Blessings,ChrisWelcome to Easy Reference:Send a blank email message to: -Unsubscribe - Unsubscribe from the list -Digest - Switch your subscription to a digest format -Normal - Switch your subscription to normalPlease send messages not related to Lyme disease (this includes humor and information about other diseases) to -Offtopic The archives can be accessed at The chat room is always open! /chat

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Hi

Glad to know lemon in water helps the liver as well. I always squeeze two large slices of lemon in a large glass of water. Tastes better, seems to help me be better able to take a deep breath (I'm a "shallow breather" and can't expand my ribcage because of spinal and muscle damage), but I feel less "toxic" also. Have bladder problems all my life, and don't like the effect of pain meds on my kidneys. The lemon in water does seem to help tremendously for those problems, but this is additional good news.

I would also like the name of the books you mentioned. You can email me at toil_for_lyme@...

Love ya, Rose in Texas

wrote:One thing doc said to do to help liver (for those of you with fatigue and/or elevated enzymes) is to just put a few drops of fresh lemon juice in drinking water. (Does something to stimulate & promote healthy liver function.)T.O.I.L. for Lyme!T=Teach tolerance; O=Overcome ignorance; I=Initiate insurance reform; L=Labor for Lyme literacyMay is Lyme Disease Awareness Monthwww.angelfire.com/tx3/RoseWriter or www.angelfire.com/biz/romarkaraoke/james.html

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> What is the website for the chinese medicine you are

following I am

> interested

Francine RN NJ

Dear Francine & All,

I must start by stating that we are seeing a traditional Chinese

doctor (chiro / acupuncturist / herbalist) - not self-medicating with

these herbs. I highly recommend you consider finding a practitioner,

as there are many, many Chinese herbs & combinations for various

conditions within the body. (As with homeopathy, Chinese medss treat

the BODY - not the organism which has invaded it. The idea is to get

the body back to homeostasis - or a state of balance & optimum

health.) If you need a referral, I'd be glad to ask our doc if he

knows of someone in your area.

There are several websites on the net with info on Ch herbs & medical

supplies such as moxy sticks (herbal stick burned over acupuncture

points to enhance treatments), needles, etc.

Can also investigate acupressure (Japanese version of acupuncture);

tai chi (meditation in movement for re-balancing), etc., qi-gong

(ancient Chinese healing method - we have a qi-gong machine - 1st

night QUALITY rest in many years after 10 min. tx. with machine -

frequency is similar to purring cat & the same as Chinese qi-gong

masters' generate when performing healings.)

This all may sound crazy, but we've run the gammut - tried just about

everything to " normalize " or rebalance body after lyme & co-

infections & this is having a PROFOUND effect!!!!

Here is a post regarding the herbs which I posted to another list...

Hope it is helpful!

<<Here is a website with the particular brand we have purchased from

our doc (there is also a " Plum Flower " brand made in CA - on net -

search Margarite acne pills... Check ingredients out - they seem a

bit different.)

http://www.chinesemedic.com/category.asp?page=15

Also, the site(s) explain that this formula is a detoxifer, improves

circulation, helps to reduce internal heat, thereby reducing

intolerance to external cold. (The " yin/yan " opposites thing in

Chinese medicine.)

Our holistic doc friends say it makes absolutely perfect sense what

is occurring & with the history of lyme & co-infections & all the

pharmaceuticals used.

Interesting side note... Doc did a blood cleansing acupuncture

treatment yesterday which caused pretty heavy fatigue for about 18

hrs. He said it's normal & drink some warm water with a few drops of

fresh lemon squeezed into it to help liver detoxify.

Of course, we complied with the lemon water & energy was back up in

about 1/2 hr... (No, I'm not imagining this - LOL!).

I did read that lemon water is very good to help liver gently &

naturally...

Hope this is helpful info!

Blessings,

Chris

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In a message dated 23/04/01 18:08:37 GMT Daylight Time, kenlav@... writes:

but I couldn't take MTX because testing before showed very elevated liver enzymes.

Hi Allayne,

I took the 'tests', which showed up OK for me to take the MTX - BUT boy! what it did to me!! nearly finnished me off.....for some reason, I turned purple, and was very ill with it....(not that I want to put anyone off taking it), just relating my personal experience with this drug..

Mike (from the UK)

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HI Ken,

I'm sorry to hear about your Hepatitis and Cirrhosis. What are they

doing for you to help? Are you in pain in the liver area from the

Cirrhosis? I sure hope not. Like ya don't need anymore areas in-

volved when dealing w/PA. I pray daily for all of you.

Take care,

Pat

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:14:45 -0500 " Ken LaValley " <kenlav@...>

writes:

> ,

>

> There are also other reasons to watch the liver with PA. I do not

> drink because of all the meds that I take, but I couldn't take MTX

> because testing before showed very elevated liver enzymes. A liver

> biopsy showed cirrhosis. After many blood tests, I have been

> diagnosed with autoimmune hepatitis. It is a good thing that I

> stopped drinking any alcohol when I was diagnosed with PA 3 yrs ago.

>

> Allayne

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here's what I found on the liver:

" Weighing about 4 pounds, the liver is the largest gland of the body and the

only internal organ that will regenerate itself if part of it is damaged.

Up to 25% of the lever can be removed, and within a short period of time, it

will grow back to its original shape and size.

The liver has many funcitons, perhaps the most important of which is the

secretion of bile. This fluid is stored in the gallbladder and released as

needed for digestion. Bile is necessary for the digestion of fats; it

breaks fat down into small globules. Bile also assists in the absorption of

the fat-soluble vitamins (A,D, E and K), and helps to assimilate calcium.

In addition, bile converts beta-carotene into Vit.A. It promotes intestinal

peristalsis as well, which helps prevent constipation.

After nutrients have been absorbed into the bloodstream through the

intestinal wall, they are transported by way of the hepatic portal system to

the liver. In the liver, nutrients such as iron and VitA, B12 and D are

extracted from the bloodstream and stored for future use. These stored

substances are utilized for everyday activities and in times of physical

stress. The liver plays an important role in fat metabolism; in the

synthesis of fatty acids from amino acids and sugars; in the production of

lipoproteins, cholesterol, and phospholipids; and in the oxidation of fat to

produce energy. The liver creates a substance called glucose tolerance

factor (GTF) from chromium and glutathione. GTF acts with insulin to

regulate blood sugar levels. Sugars not required for immediate energy

production are converted into glycogen in the liver; the glycogen is stored

in the liver and the muscles, and is converted back into sugar when needed

for energy. Excess food is converted to fat in the liver, and the fat is

then transported to the fatty issues of the body for storage.

In addition to its important functions in digestion and energy production,

the liver acts as a detoxifier. Protein digestion and bacterial

fermentation of food in the intestines produce ammonia as a byproduct; this

ammonnia is detoxified by the liver. The liver combines toxic substances

(including metabolic waste products, insecticide residues, drugs, alcohol,

and other harmful chemicals) with substances that are less toxic. These

substances are then excreted via the kidneys. Thus, in order for the liver

to function properly, you must also have proper kidney function.

Finally, the liver is responsible for regulating thyroid function by

converting thyroxine (T4), a thyroid hormone, into its more active form,

triiodothyronine (T3). Inadequate conversion of T4 into T3 by the liver may

lead to hypothyroidism. The liver also breaks down hormones like adrenalin,

aldosterone, estrogen and insulin after they have performed their needed

functions.

*Avoid constipating foods. The liver has to work twice as hard if you are

constipated. Be sure your diet contains sufficient amounts of choline,

inositol, and lecithin, as well as bulk and fiber.

THE 4 BASIC REASONS FOR POOR LIVER FUNCTION ARE:

1) the presence of cumulative poisons: Insecticides, preservatives, and

other toxins can build up in and impair the liver. Even though a particular

toxin may not accumulate in the liver, liver function may suffer if the

functioning of other organs, especially the pancreas and/or kidneys, is

adversely affected by the toxin.

2) An Improper Diet: A diet that is low in protein and high in

carbohydrates and fats, esp. saturated fats, fried foods, and hydrogenated

fats, is hard on the liver and may not provide sufficient protein building

blocks necessary for repair. Poor food choices include processed foods,

junk foods, refined white flour products, white sugar products, and

imitation foods that are designed to appear and taste like an original

product but that have been robbed of natural vitamins, minerals and enzymes.

3) Overeating: Overeating is probably the most common cause of liver

malfunction. Overeating creates excess work for the liver, resulting in

liver fatigue. In addition, the liver must detoxify all of the various

chemicals present in our food supply today. When the liver is overworked,

it may not detoxify harmful substances properly.

4) Drugs: Drugs put a great strain on the liver. Drugs are substances

that are foreign and unnatural to the body. These foreign substances cause

the liver to work overtime in excreting these toxins. The liver neutralizes

the effects of drugs on the body. Alcohol is particularly toxic to the

liver. When excessive amounts of alcohol enter the liver, the liver begins

to lose its functioning capacity. Other substances that can contribute to

liver malfunction include oral contraceptives and caffeine.

*Keep the colon clean. Toxins accumulate in the liver and must be excreted

via the colon and kidneys.

* In one study, people with cirrhosis of the liver were found to have an

imbalance of essential fatty acids, which are needed for cell production.

After taking 10 capsules of primrose oil daily for 3 weeks, these

individuals showed a marked improvement in the balance of their fatty acids

(or flax seed oil).

HOPE THIS HELPS!

wendy

liver

Hi and everyone

Can you please tell me (if you know) how the liver affects the immune

system. This doc I see, told me friend that her son's immune system was

under par, and it was because the liver wasn't functioning properly.

Any answers.... he also said antibodies are made in the liver... anyone

heard of that one?

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In a message dated 03/29/2002 9:51:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, LEBRACE writes:

MY DAUGHTER IS ON METHOTREXATE AND WE WERE TOLD TO AVOID FOLIC ACID AS IT COMPETE WITH THE SAME BINDING AGENT AND IS LESS EFFECTIVE - HAVE YOU BEENT OLD THIS?

I had heard something about that on this list. (anyone?) The rheumy I had prescribed folic acid with the mxt. The potential damage that mxt. can have on the liver is something I certainly did not want to deal with. I believe folic acid assists in averting some of that damage. I also strongly believe in the milk thistle. It really did bring down my enzymes and is such a gentle herb (i,e. no side effects for me). I really was afraid of mxt.-after all, they test you every 30 days to check for liver damage. For me, that meant it was highly toxic. It is a form of chemo, of course.

Babs

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1. 3 tbs. of organic coffee in six cups of distilled water

2. add brewed coffee to 5 cups of distilled water for a total of 11

cups of coffee

3. Use " fountain " style enema bag in tub or shower

4. Lay on right side and do abdominal breathing or gently massage

abdomen to encourage coffee to move up to the liver. The longer you can

hold the coffee in your bowels the better. It may take you three trips

to the toilet to use all the coffee but with the last insertion you will

be able to hold it in longer. The objective of the Coffee Enema is to

stimulate the liver to dump off the bile that contains toxins from the

yeast and other toxins.

You may feel weak and nauseous for about 30 minutes, but just rest

comfortably and those symptoms will subside and your die off symptoms

(sugar cravings, fatigue, etc.) will be greatly reduced.

Note:

Take an extra multi mineral on the days you do your enema

Take your acidophilus

Try not to do more than one enema per week. Then once yeast is under

control, only occasionally.

That's what the paper says that my doctor gave me. I don't know if you

should consult your doctor before doing this or not - but I have done it

once and I did feel better. My headache was gone and I had more energy.

Candace

liver

Could you give me some info on this? M

RE: nizoral

My doctor prescribes an organic coffee enema once a week during yeast

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>

> > >in my years on the net i have seen again and >again mothers in

> australia who will not touch >liver which is good quality and

> bascially toxin >free in australia and all you can do is watch

>thier

> children struggle against odds they >cannot beat.

> >

> > I just can't get my head around the liver being toxin-free when

it

> detoxifies everything the (cow's) body. Help me out here please.

> > Prue

> > AUS

> >

liver is extremely healthy, with tons if vitamins, minerals....

and the purpose of detox. in the body is not the problem... it is

WHAT it is detoxing....

in most areas, the farmers use pesticides, and the ground waters,

soil have heavy metals....

but, if you are able to get organically grown liver, from calves

preferrably, it is propably the most nutritious of all " meats "

minna

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> I had some questions about my liver. Its been about a year now since I

> was in a motor accident. Today I went to the clinic and the test showed

> that my liver has been bruised, the entire liver. Doctors said it was

> from the accident. Also my red blood cell count was that of a heavy

> smoker and drinker, since I'm neither, this also concerned me. Is it

> possible for the liver to be bruised for such a long amount of time?

> What can keep the liver from healing itself?

>

> Thank you.

All the two organs can repair of course but things at the very least

can impede this:

Even if all the vitamins, proteins and minerals are in place, you need

HGH growth hormone at decent levels to convert into IGF-1 to stick to

the cells in order that the cells get the message to grow and repair.

This is increased with amino acids in a specific ratio and dose on an

empty stomach. You can also use HGH shots.

The IGF-1 growth hormone must have intact cell receptor sites to adhere

to to deliver this message to grow and repair. These are glycoproteins -

they're made of certain specific sugars and protein. Because you've

been traumatized, the energy-intensive conversion process that is

essential to have the specific sugars available for the formation of

non-malformed receptor sites, may be impeded. The sugars can be taken

as a supplement for the time being.

Contact me privately for more if you're interested.

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Hi all,

Oh My God!

I just cooked liver for the 2nd time ever in my life

and I got it right.

I go to farmer's market on Sundays and there's this

family who sells grass-fed bison.

No hormones or antibiotics, free range, roaming free.

This family has been in the bison business for years

and they're just good people.

The meat even smells good raw.

No smell whatsoever.

I was vegetarian from age 9 and vegan for 1 1/2 years

so the smell of meat was pretty intense for me.

Not Bison.

I cooked it with red onion, it was so easy,although I

cooked it longer, it's one minute on each side if you

want it a little rare.

The red onions were quite sweet,

it was delicious.

liver is loaded with B 12 and other nutrients and it's

very healthy.

If you do try it make sure it's organic liver.

That means you're gonna have to make it yourself.

Don't get regular cow liver loaded with hormones and

antibiotics and loads of other toxins.

find out if anyone sells good Bison meat in your area.

Take care,

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I understand milk thistle to be an excellent support to the liver. It would probably be a good supplement for all of us to take. I have taken it in the past....

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I agree, don't cook liver too long. Just until it has a little

pinkness left in the middle. It will be nice and tender that way, not

mealy and tough.

Liver is very good broiled, which is my favorite way. Just a few

minutes on each side. 3 to 4 minutes depending on how thick it is.

Once it is done, seasoned with garlic and Celtic Seasalt it is very

tasty. :-)

Liver is also good cooked over medium heat in a cast iron pan, a few

minutes on each side.

I haven't tried steaming it, but imagine it would be good that way

too.

Debra NW

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" Stardust " <cmdhealthy@...> wrote:

My suggestion to anyone that doesn't like liver and wants to give it

a try is to start if liver that is thinkly sliced, it is very

important not to over cook liver because it'll turn out like a piece

of leather.

Another tip that I found it works is not to salt liver before or

during cooking it too will make it tough.

Give it a try, you'll like it too.

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Dirk, what is peri-peri?

On 21-Jun-06, at 2:09 AM, Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> Cook liver with onions and garlic! Or maybe per-peri.

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peri-peri is a chilli-based sauce. There are variations, but it's usually

either chillies (typically African birds eye where I live) mixed with either

vinegar, or garlic, or cayenne, or something like that. I love the stuff.

But my favourite way to prepare liver is fried up with onions and garlic.

But not too much onion!

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Dirk Coetsee wrote:

peri-peri is a chilli-based sauce. There are variations, but it's usually

either chillies (typically African birds eye where I live) mixed with either

vinegar, or garlic, or cayenne, or something like that. I love the stuff.

But my favourite way to prepare liver is fried up with onions and garlic.

But not too much onion!

-----

I used to work at a restaurant that specialised in South African cuisine. I used

to make Peri-Peri Prawns as an entree. I wonder if this would work with liver

too? I think it would? What do you think?

Marinate prawns (liver?) in extra virgin olive oil, freshly sliced chillies and

freshly pressed garlic. The longer marinated the better the flavour (over night

in the fridge or 12-24 hours max I think would be best). Easy to prepare the day

before serving and quick to cook.

When you are ready to cook, pre-heat a cast iron pot to high temperature on the

stove top (I have small pots for this). Scoop up the prawns (liver?) and other

ingredients with a good amount of the oil marinade using wide tongs and put into

the pot(s) to sizzle on high heat. Add a good dash of lemon juice, turn around a

bit, cover with the lid for a minute or so (shouldn't take more than a minute

and a bit). Then add a dash of Paprika to finish off.

Makes a great entree or can be served with a side salad.

Do you think it would work with liver? I am so hesitant to try liver. But hey, I

have tried so many new things since being on this diet, so why not, huh?!

Jen

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Dirk Coetsee wrote:

peri-peri is a chilli-based sauce. There are variations, but it's

usually

either chillies (typically African birds eye where I live) mixed

with either

vinegar, or garlic, or cayenne, or something like that. I love the

stuff.

But my favourite way to prepare liver is fried up with onions and

garlic.

But not too much onion!

-----

I used to work at a restaurant that specialised in South African

cuisine. I used to make Peri-Peri Prawns as an entree. I wonder if

this would work with liver too? I think it would? What do you think?

Marinate prawns (liver?) in extra virgin olive oil, freshly sliced

chillies and freshly pressed garlic. The longer marinated the better

the flavour (over night in the fridge or 12-24 hours max I think

would be best). Easy to prepare the day before serving and quick to

cook.

When you are ready to cook, pre-heat a cast iron pot to high

temperature on the stove top (I have small pots for this). Scoop up

the prawns (liver?) and other ingredients with a good amount of the

oil marinade using wide tongs and put into the pot(s) to sizzle on

high heat. Add a good dash of lemon juice, turn around a bit, cover

with the lid for a minute or so (shouldn't take more than a minute

and a bit). Then add a dash of Paprika to finish off.

Makes a great entree or can be served with a side salad.

Do you think it would work with liver? I am so hesitant to try

liver. But hey, I have tried so many new things since being on this

diet, so why not, huh?!

Jen

P.S. I apologise if this is posted twice. Doesn't seem to work from

my home-based e-mail right now!