Question on MMS1 as a preservative

[Guest guest]

Ok, I'm making a chickweed oil--which is olive oil and coconut being

simmered on very low for a few days, chickweed immersed in the oil. This

oil I will keep in the fridge, or even on a shelf as it is for external use

only, and most moisture is heated out. Lid is propped up to allow moisture

from the plants to escape. The plants were picked fresh but allowed to wilt

(dry out) for about 4 days. So not totally dry, but close to it and by the

time the oil is finished 'brewing' there won't be water in the oil at all.

My question is--would it be possible to put some non activated MMS1 or MMS5

in as a preservative? One lady herbalist I know, who makes face creams and

lotions did experiment with AMMS in her product--and said that it did seem

to last longer without spoilage, but it was for personal use and not

something she would chance using in her products that were for sale. This

was a year or more ago and I can't remember who it was that did this.

Anyway--anyone think that unactivated MMS in any form would help keep an oil

based product from spoiling? Since I don't sell my oils either, I'm just

interested in it for myself and as a curiosity.

I'm thinking that if the MMS doesn't activate until exposed to moisture,

that IF the oils did start to get moisture in the container the MMS would

activate and kill the pathogens. Or am I not taking into consideration that

there may already be some water vapor in the oils themselves?

Samala,

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[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Sodium chlorite is activated when its PH is lowered. Olive oil is considered a

fatty acid, although PH does not directly apply to oils, olive oil is capable of

activating sodium chlorite.

Upon activation, the chlorine dioxide released will oxidize the oils.

Since oxidation of the oil is a sign of spoiling, I would suggest that it is not

a good idea.

One of the best chemicals to prevent oxidation in oil is BHT...

Tom

>

> Ok, I'm making a chickweed oil--which is olive oil and coconut being

> simmered on very low for a few days, chickweed immersed in the oil. This

> oil I will keep in the fridge, or even on a shelf as it is for external use

> only, and most moisture is heated out. Lid is propped up to allow moisture

> from the plants to escape. The plants were picked fresh but allowed to wilt

> (dry out) for about 4 days. So not totally dry, but close to it and by the

> time the oil is finished 'brewing' there won't be water in the oil at all.

>

> My question is--would it be possible to put some non activated MMS1 or MMS5

> in as a preservative? One lady herbalist I know, who makes face creams and

> lotions did experiment with AMMS in her product--and said that it did seem

> to last longer without spoilage, but it was for personal use and not

> something she would chance using in her products that were for sale. This

> was a year or more ago and I can't remember who it was that did this.

>

> Anyway--anyone think that unactivated MMS in any form would help keep an oil

> based product from spoiling? Since I don't sell my oils either, I'm just

> interested in it for myself and as a curiosity.

>

> I'm thinking that if the MMS doesn't activate until exposed to moisture,

> that IF the oils did start to get moisture in the container the MMS would

> activate and kill the pathogens. Or am I not taking into consideration that

> there may already be some water vapor in the oils themselves?

>

> Samala,

>

> www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt

> Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body. The Am Wand helps

> You get rid of it quickly and easily. Get the wand here

>

[Guest guest]

MY first choice for a preservative is always colloidal silver.

Chuck

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On 3/24/2010 3:30:50 PM, (gaiacita@...) wrote:

>My question is--would it be possible to put some non activated MMS1 or MMS5

>in as a preservative? One lady herbalist I know, who makes face creams and

>lotions did experiment with AMMS in her product--and said that it did seem

>to last longer without spoilage, but it was for personal use and not

>something she would chance using in her products that were for sale. This

>was a year or more ago and I can't remember who it was that did this.

[Guest guest]

Yes, but oil and 'water' don't mix. The MMS would be, literally, drops. Whereas the CS would take more I would think.

Samala,

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MY first choice for a preservative is always colloidal silver.

[Guest guest]

Oh--never gave that oxidation a thought. Thanks once again Tom. I don't use chemicals. Since my mix is actually olive oil and coconut oil, refrigeration is good enough for me. I was just curious.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Upon activation, the chlorine dioxide released will oxidize the oils.

Since oxidation of the oil is a sign of spoiling, I would suggest that it is not a good idea.

[Guest guest]

- I made hot infused oils for the first time last year. I used olive oil

and put the herbs in a wide-mouth quart canning jar to fill, then poured in oil

to cover, and put in a crockpot with water to the level of the oil. I pushed

the herbs down every now and then, and heated them several hours or overnight.

Then I strained them through nylon net, put the oil in a double boiler, and

added 1/2 c beeswax for every 2 cups of oil. Or I add beeswax slowly and test

on a cold plate to the consistency wanted. I didn't put any preservatives but

I used Rosemary in some of the infusions. I mostly made comfrey infusions and

added various other herbs to different batches according to what I was making

the salve for, including rose petals, Thyme, mint, Cleavers, Self-Heal

(Prunella), Lady's Mantle, Yarrow, Ribwort Plantain, dried Chapparal, St. 's

Wort, Lavender, and Oregano. Some of these, like Rosemary, may have some

preservative properties. Some websites I googled on this topic say if there is

no water in the salve, pathogens can't grow, so you only need anti-oxidants to

keep the oil from going rancid. I haven't noticed any rancidity in my salves.

If there is water like in a lotion, then a preservative is needed, like Rosemary

extract available from Mountain Rose Herb, below. Since MMS adds oxygen,

wouldn't it have the wrong action?

http://topical-herbal-medicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/natural_preservatives

Mountain Rose Herbs carries some oils and salves, and tells of uses for various

herbs, plus sells herbs.

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/oils/herbal.php

In the winter here chickweed and Cleavers are growing, and the Comfrey is

already coming up, I should make more salves.:-)

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> Ok, I'm making a chickweed oil--which is olive oil and coconut being

> simmered on very low for a few days, chickweed immersed in the oil. This oil

I will keep in the fridge, or even on a shelf as it is for external use only,

and most moisture is heated out. Lid is propped up to allow moisture from the

plants to escape.