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My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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I know you've probably already thought of this but can you build in some reward system for his attendance? The other thing is that my son goes to weekly counseling. Maybe this would help him with his daily life issues? By the way I hate the "just like every other boy" comment....drives me insane! To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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This is a nightmarish situation to have to deal with. Mine, at nine, often refuses to get out of bed to go to school. I can't physically force him to do so. What I do is list the things he enjoys doing that he will be deprived of if he doesn't get out of bed and ready and off to school. The first time I did this, he said he didn't care. He wasn't going to go. He stayed home in his room or on the sofa all day. No computer or TV. He didn't show this behavior for quite a while after that. When it happened again, I read off the list. He got out of bed. Hope this helps. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also

going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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I've never liked rewards for doing something you're supposed to do, we've always worked on a consequence system rather than rewards. Like no school means no X-Box, computer, telephone, or kindle (since it connects to the internet too) for the day. Maybe it's time to change it up a bit. The just like every other boy thing drives me nuts! It came specifically from my dad and since E is one of several boys in dad's family that have Aspergers, one would think Grampa would know better. Guess he's pretty oblivious! Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply, and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Sent: Sun, March 18, 2012 9:18:25 AMSubject: Re: Intro

I know you've probably already thought of this but can you build in some reward system for his attendance? The other thing is that my son goes to weekly counseling. Maybe this would help him with his daily life issues? By the way I hate the "just like every other boy" comment....drives me insane! To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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Thanks ! This is what I did last time he was "too sick to go to school" It worked, but we're already in hot water with the school. I just don't know how to explain my child to them. Again. Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply, and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***From: Van Laan

To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Sent: Sun, March 18, 2012 10:30:28 AMSubject: Re: Intro

This is a nightmarish situation to have to deal with. Mine, at nine, often refuses to get out of bed to go to school. I can't physically force him to do so. What I do is list the things he enjoys doing that he will be deprived of if he doesn't get out of bed and ready and off to school. The first time I did this, he said he didn't care. He wasn't going to go. He stayed home in his room or on the sofa all day. No computer or TV. He didn't show this behavior for quite a while after that. When it happened again, I read off the list. He got out of bed. Hope this helps. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also

going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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Hi Jodi --It sounds like you've got a problem on your hands. Have you tried setting up a (simple) daily system of rewards in a "pay as you go fashion" rather than penalties for the wrong behavior when it occurs? Sometimes it's easy to accidentally set up a negative system where all the child thinks he's hearing are threats -- what he won't get if he doesn't go to school. Maybe if you set it up so that each day's participation in fun activities happens only if he went to school. So, it's 4:00pm and he wants to turn on computer, the question becomes "Did you go to school today? OK, go ahead and play." Much more emphasis on the positive.

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That is very good advice !!! --------------------------- >Hi Jodi -- > >It sounds like you've

got a problem on your hands. Have you tried setting up a (simple) daily system

of rewards in a " pay as you go fashion " rather than penalties for the wrong

behavior when it occurs? Sometimes it's easy to accidentally set up a negative

system where all the child thinks he's hearing are threats -- what he won't get

if he doesn't go to school. Maybe if you set it up so that each day's

participation in fun activities happens only if he went to school. So, it's

4:00pm and he wants to turn on computer, the question becomes " Did you go to

school today? OK, go ahead and play. " Much more emphasis on the positive. >

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Thanks for your advice ! It looks like it's time to revamp again! Would you suggest including E in deciding what type of rewards would be best? Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply, and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Sent: Sun, March 18, 2012 12:16:40 PMSubject: Re: Intro

Hi Jodi --It sounds like you've got a problem on your hands. Have you tried setting up a (simple) daily system of rewards in a "pay as you go fashion" rather than penalties for the wrong behavior when it occurs? Sometimes it's easy to accidentally set up a negative system where all the child thinks he's hearing are threats -- what he won't get if he doesn't go to school. Maybe if you set it up so that each day's participation in fun activities happens only if he went to school. So, it's 4:00pm and he wants to turn on computer, the question becomes "Did you go to school today? OK, go ahead and play." Much more emphasis on the positive.

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I had similar issues with my son. He was the same age as your son and missing lots of school, yet still managed to get high honor roll. the teachers called me in and lectured me about the importance of going to school, as if I didnt know that. After a while I gave up arguing with them, This year he is 13 and rarely misses a day, tho he still isnt happy to go. My 16 yr old aspergers child has been missing a lot of school due to depression. His grades are not good, and every morning we try to get him to go, but sometimes I feel there is not much sense in this, as he is depressed and I question whether he is learning anything in this state of mind. we've had to hire a tutor, and he receives outside counseling. His guidance

counselor told me that "school just isn't his thing"., even tho he's very smart. It's an on-going struggle. We are getting him re-evaluated, as his IEP was taken from him a few years ago. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also

going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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Hi and welcome,I am seriously considering homeschooling my son for 4th grade and beyond...Have you considered that option? Scary, I know!!!!LoriSubject: Re: IntroTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 9:47 AM

I had similar issues with my son. He was the same age as your son and missing lots of school, yet still managed to get high honor roll. the teachers called me in and lectured me about the importance of going to school, as if I didnt know that. After a while I gave up arguing with them, This year he is 13 and rarely misses a day, tho he still isnt happy to go. My 16 yr old aspergers child has been missing a lot of school due to depression. His grades are not good, and every morning we try to get him to go, but sometimes I feel there is not much sense in this, as he is depressed and I question whether he is learning anything in this state of mind. we've had to hire a tutor, and he receives outside counseling. His guidance

counselor told me that "school just isn't his thing"., even tho he's very smart. It's an on-going struggle. We are getting him re-evaluated, as his IEP was taken from him a few years ago. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject:

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My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also

going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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A friend showed me an app that I have on my iPad now. It's called iReward and

it's a simple tally system of behavior requirements and rewards. It has some

set up when you download it, but I deleted all of their required behaviors and

put our target behaviors, including following directions quickly, keeping

personal space, and so on. And deleted their suggested rewards and put the ones

that matter to my child, like 30 minutes of the Wii and going to a movie, etc.

It's been very helpful in giving him a motivation and keeping me on top of the

reward system that can quickly become overwhelming. We started out doing

checkins with the system several times a day giving a star per item for the past

couple of hours, and now just do it once a day for the whole day's behavior. So

at the end of the day, if he kept personal space all day, he gets 5 stars. But

if one time he got in his brother's face, he gets 4. If he got in his brother's

face and also tossed a toy and it got close to or hit someone, he gets 3. So

it's positive-- he's almost always coming out ahead, but he gets more stars

faster if he does better.

>Hi Jodi -- > >It sounds like

you've got a problem on your hands. Have you tried setting up a (simple) daily

system of rewards in a " pay as you go fashion " rather than penalties for the

wrong behavior when it occurs? Sometimes it's easy to accidentally set up a

negative system where all the child thinks he's hearing are threats -- what he

won't get if he doesn't go to school. Maybe if you set it up so that each day's

participation in fun activities happens only if he went to school. So, it's

4:00pm and he wants to turn on computer, the question becomes " Did you go to

school today? OK, go ahead and play. " Much more emphasis on the positive. >

>

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My son went to school more willingly, and got sick less often, once

we made the non-negotiable rule that computers, Xbox, Wii, etc may

not be used during school hours.  It took until he was about 14

before he got himself ready for school - 12 before he would dress

himself on his own - and I still need to wake him up, but at least

he went.  We live about 100m from the school, so we can hear the

bell, and he is usually walking out the door at or after the last

bell for the morning.  I try to get him to go earlier, the deputy

principal has talked to him numerous times, but he just refuses to

go before he needs to.  He doesn't hate being at school, just can't

see the point of being there if nothing is happening.  He will

happily stay back 1/2hr or more after school to finish a physics or

chemistry prac, but having to socialise for even 5 minutes is more

than he can take.

One thing I learnt early on was, to paraphrase Winston Churchill,

'never give in'.  If there was even the slightest chance I would

relent and let him play games or go online when he was sick, the

number of days he wanted to stay home increased again.

 

This is a nightmarish situation to have to deal

with. Mine, at nine, often refuses to get out of bed

to go to school. I can't physically force him to do

so. What I do is list the things he enjoys doing that

he will be deprived of if he doesn't get out of bed

and ready and off to school. The first time I did

this, he said he didn't care. He wasn't going to go.

He stayed home in his room or on the sofa all day. No

computer or TV. He didn't show this behavior for quite

a while after that. When it happened again, I read off

the list. He got out of bed. 

Hope this helps.

From:

Jodi

To:

autism-aspergers

Sent:

Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM

Subject:

Intro

 

My name is Jodi,

I'm a single mom to three kids, my older

two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from

OCD of varying degrees, but they are both

totally functioning.

My 12 year old,

Ethan, has been given an official

diagnoses of "falling within the

spectrum", which depending on who you talk

to makes him either "just like every other

boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to

work with" (most of the rest of the world)

The truth of the

matter is both. Ethan is just like every

other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays

with friends on the block until you hit a

hot spot.

I'll start by

saying that Ethan only borders on the

spectrum. 99% of the time he's not

displaying the traits that put him on the

spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply

by using a calm tone or assigning

consequences to behavior. The main issue

we are having at the moment is school

attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm

not really concerned with his attendance,

but the school is. How do I explain to the

school that there are days I simply can't

get him to go to school? There's no way I

can or will physically dress him, remove

him from his room, feed him, get him in

the car and get him out and into school.

First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as

strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the

measure it takes to get him to school, not

only is he not learning anything that day

but he's also going to make everyone in

that school wish he wasn't there! 

How do I explain

to the school that this seemingly average

child is not?

Jodi

What children

take from us, they give…We become people

who feel more deeply, question more

deeply, hurt more deeply, and love more

deeply.

Taitz, O

Magazine, May 2003

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Sometimes you just have to accept that some people are not going to

get it.  Sometimes I think it would be amusing to see just how some

people would describe a 'normal' boy.

 

I've never liked rewards for

doing something you're supposed to do, we've always worked

on a consequence system rather than rewards. Like no

school means no X-Box, computer, telephone, or kindle

(since it connects to the internet too) for the day. Maybe

it's time to change it up a bit. 

The just like every other boy thing drives me nuts!

It came specifically from my dad and since E is one of

several boys in dad's family that have Aspergers, one

would think Grampa would know better. Guess he's pretty

oblivious!

 

Jodi

What children take from us, they give…We become

people who feel more deeply, question more deeply,

hurt more deeply, and love more deeply.

Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003

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Sun, March 18, 2012 9:18:25 AM

Subject:

Re: Intro

 

I know you've probably already

thought of this but can you build in some

reward system for his attendance?  The

other thing is that my son goes to weekly

counseling.  Maybe this would help him

with his daily life issues?  By the way I

hate the "just like every other boy"

comment....drives me insane! 

 

From:

Jodi

To:

autism-aspergers

Sent:

Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM

Subject:

Intro

 

My

name is Jodi, I'm a single mom

to three kids, my older two

are 18 and 14, they both

suffer from OCD of varying

degrees, but they are both

totally functioning.

My 12

year old, Ethan, has been

given an official diagnoses of

"falling within the spectrum",

which depending on who you

talk to makes him either "just

like every other boy" (my dad)

or "incredibly difficult to

work with" (most of the rest

of the world)

The

truth of the matter is both.

Ethan is just like every other

child in that he likes to have

fun, he's got a wicked sense

of humor, plays with friends

on the block until you hit a

hot spot.

I'll

start by saying that Ethan

only borders on the spectrum.

99% of the time he's not

displaying the traits that put

him on the spectrum. Most

issues I can resolve simply by

using a calm tone or assigning

consequences to behavior. The

main issue we are having at

the moment is school

attendance. Ethan is an A

student, so I'm not really

concerned with his attendance,

but the school is. How do I

explain to the school that

there are days I simply can't

get him to go to school?

There's no way I can or will

physically dress him, remove

him from his room, feed him,

get him in the car and get him

out and into school. First of

all, I can't do it. I'm not as

strong as he is. Secondly, if

that's the measure it takes to

get him to school, not only is

he not learning anything that

day but he's also going to

make everyone in that school

wish he wasn't there! 

How do

I explain to the school that

this seemingly average child

is not?

Jodi

What children

take from us, they give…We

become people who feel more

deeply, question more

deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply.

Taitz, O

Magazine, May 2003

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Thanks for your advice ! It looks

like it's time to revamp again! Would you suggest

including E in deciding what type of rewards would be

best?

 

Jodi

Only if you want the system to work.  But make sure he knows he is

making 'suggestions' not 'decisions'.  If my son thought he was

making the decisions and we treated them as suggestions, then things

got off to a very bad start.

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Thanks for your advice ! It looks

like it's time to revamp again! Would you suggest

including E in deciding what type of rewards would be

best?

 

Jodi

Only if you want the system to work.  But make sure he knows he is

making 'suggestions' not 'decisions'.  If my son thought he was

making the decisions and we treated them as suggestions, then things

got off to a very bad start.

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Once he started high school (gr 7) I gave my son permission to have

a 'mental health day' if he needed it.  He took a few that year, but

by about yr 10 he didn't need them.  We discovered that knowing he

has an option to do something often means he doesn't need to.  He is

keeping up with work this year (gr 12), but it is a struggle for

him.  He starts on anxiety meds once he gets back from the excursion

he is on.  And melatonin to help him sleep.  HE is thinking of

taking next year off before starting university.

 

I had similar issues with my son.  He was the

same age as your son and missing lots of school, yet

still managed to get high honor roll.  the teachers

called me in and lectured me about the importance of

going to school, as if I didnt know that.  After a

while I gave up arguing with them, This year he is 13

and rarely misses a day, tho he still isnt happy to

go.  

My 16 yr old aspergers child has been missing a

lot of school due to depression.  His grades are not

good, and every morning we try to get him to go, but

sometimes I feel there is not much sense in this, as

he is depressed and I question whether he is learning

anything in this state of mind.  we've had to hire a

tutor, and he receives outside counseling.  His

guidance counselor told me that "school just isn't his

thing"., even tho he's very smart. It's an on-going

struggle.  We are getting him re-evaluated, as his IEP

was taken from him a few years ago.  

 

From:

Jodi

To:

autism-aspergers

Sent:

Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM

Subject:

Intro

 

My name is Jodi,

I'm a single mom to three kids, my older

two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from

OCD of varying degrees, but they are both

totally functioning.

My 12 year old,

Ethan, has been given an official

diagnoses of "falling within the

spectrum", which depending on who you talk

to makes him either "just like every other

boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to

work with" (most of the rest of the world)

The truth of the

matter is both. Ethan is just like every

other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays

with friends on the block until you hit a

hot spot.

I'll start by

saying that Ethan only borders on the

spectrum. 99% of the time he's not

displaying the traits that put him on the

spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply

by using a calm tone or assigning

consequences to behavior. The main issue

we are having at the moment is school

attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm

not really concerned with his attendance,

but the school is. How do I explain to the

school that there are days I simply can't

get him to go to school? There's no way I

can or will physically dress him, remove

him from his room, feed him, get him in

the car and get him out and into school.

First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as

strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the

measure it takes to get him to school, not

only is he not learning anything that day

but he's also going to make everyone in

that school wish he wasn't there! 

How do I explain

to the school that this seemingly average

child is not?

Jodi

What children

take from us, they give…We become people

who feel more deeply, question more

deeply, hurt more deeply, and love more

deeply.

Taitz, O

Magazine, May 2003

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Once he started high school (gr 7) I gave my son permission to have

a 'mental health day' if he needed it.  He took a few that year, but

by about yr 10 he didn't need them.  We discovered that knowing he

has an option to do something often means he doesn't need to.  He is

keeping up with work this year (gr 12), but it is a struggle for

him.  He starts on anxiety meds once he gets back from the excursion

he is on.  And melatonin to help him sleep.  HE is thinking of

taking next year off before starting university.

 

I had similar issues with my son.  He was the

same age as your son and missing lots of school, yet

still managed to get high honor roll.  the teachers

called me in and lectured me about the importance of

going to school, as if I didnt know that.  After a

while I gave up arguing with them, This year he is 13

and rarely misses a day, tho he still isnt happy to

go.  

My 16 yr old aspergers child has been missing a

lot of school due to depression.  His grades are not

good, and every morning we try to get him to go, but

sometimes I feel there is not much sense in this, as

he is depressed and I question whether he is learning

anything in this state of mind.  we've had to hire a

tutor, and he receives outside counseling.  His

guidance counselor told me that "school just isn't his

thing"., even tho he's very smart. It's an on-going

struggle.  We are getting him re-evaluated, as his IEP

was taken from him a few years ago.  

 

From:

Jodi

To:

autism-aspergers

Sent:

Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM

Subject:

Intro

 

My name is Jodi,

I'm a single mom to three kids, my older

two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from

OCD of varying degrees, but they are both

totally functioning.

My 12 year old,

Ethan, has been given an official

diagnoses of "falling within the

spectrum", which depending on who you talk

to makes him either "just like every other

boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to

work with" (most of the rest of the world)

The truth of the

matter is both. Ethan is just like every

other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays

with friends on the block until you hit a

hot spot.

I'll start by

saying that Ethan only borders on the

spectrum. 99% of the time he's not

displaying the traits that put him on the

spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply

by using a calm tone or assigning

consequences to behavior. The main issue

we are having at the moment is school

attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm

not really concerned with his attendance,

but the school is. How do I explain to the

school that there are days I simply can't

get him to go to school? There's no way I

can or will physically dress him, remove

him from his room, feed him, get him in

the car and get him out and into school.

First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as

strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the

measure it takes to get him to school, not

only is he not learning anything that day

but he's also going to make everyone in

that school wish he wasn't there! 

How do I explain

to the school that this seemingly average

child is not?

Jodi

What children

take from us, they give…We become people

who feel more deeply, question more

deeply, hurt more deeply, and love more

deeply.

Taitz, O

Magazine, May 2003

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You tell them to come pick up your child and take him to school. See how that sets with them. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Intro

Thanks ! This is what I did last time he was "too sick to go to school" It worked, but we're already in hot water with the school. I just don't know how to explain my child to them. Again. Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply, and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***From: Van Laan

To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Sent: Sun, March 18, 2012 10:30:28 AMSubject: Re: Intro

This is a nightmarish situation to have to deal with. Mine, at nine, often refuses to get out of bed to go to school. I can't physically force him to do so. What I do is list the things he enjoys doing that he will be deprived of if he doesn't get out of bed and ready and off to school. The first time I did this, he said he didn't care. He wasn't going to go. He stayed home in his room or on the sofa all day. No computer or TV. He didn't show this behavior for quite a while after that. When it happened again, I read off the list. He got out of bed. Hope this helps.

To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also

going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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You tell them to come pick up your child and take him to school. See how that sets with them. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Intro

Thanks ! This is what I did last time he was "too sick to go to school" It worked, but we're already in hot water with the school. I just don't know how to explain my child to them. Again. Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply, and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***From: Van Laan

To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Sent: Sun, March 18, 2012 10:30:28 AMSubject: Re: Intro

This is a nightmarish situation to have to deal with. Mine, at nine, often refuses to get out of bed to go to school. I can't physically force him to do so. What I do is list the things he enjoys doing that he will be deprived of if he doesn't get out of bed and ready and off to school. The first time I did this, he said he didn't care. He wasn't going to go. He stayed home in his room or on the sofa all day. No computer or TV. He didn't show this behavior for quite a while after that. When it happened again, I read off the list. He got out of bed. Hope this helps.

To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also

going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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I know people who do homeschool. It isn't easy unless there's a large group living in your area who does this sort of thing. The one big problem with homeschooling is missing out on social skills these kids so desperately need. They really need to be around other kids as much as possible. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Intro

Hi and welcome,I am seriously considering homeschooling my son for 4th grade and beyond...Have you considered that option? Scary, I know!!!!LoriSubject: Re: IntroTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 9:47 AM

I had similar issues with my son. He was the same age as your son and missing lots of school, yet still managed to get high honor roll. the teachers called me in and lectured me about the importance of going to school, as if I didnt know that. After a while I gave up arguing with them, This year he is 13 and rarely misses a day, tho he still isnt happy to go. My 16 yr old aspergers child has been missing a lot of school due to depression. His grades are not good, and every morning we try to get him to go, but sometimes I feel there is not much sense in this, as he is depressed and I question whether he is learning anything in this state of mind. we've had to hire a tutor, and he receives outside

counseling. His guidance

counselor told me that "school just isn't his thing"., even tho he's very smart. It's an on-going struggle. We are getting him re-evaluated, as his IEP was taken from him a few years ago. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject:

Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also

going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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I know people who do homeschool. It isn't easy unless there's a large group living in your area who does this sort of thing. The one big problem with homeschooling is missing out on social skills these kids so desperately need. They really need to be around other kids as much as possible. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Intro

Hi and welcome,I am seriously considering homeschooling my son for 4th grade and beyond...Have you considered that option? Scary, I know!!!!LoriSubject: Re: IntroTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 9:47 AM

I had similar issues with my son. He was the same age as your son and missing lots of school, yet still managed to get high honor roll. the teachers called me in and lectured me about the importance of going to school, as if I didnt know that. After a while I gave up arguing with them, This year he is 13 and rarely misses a day, tho he still isnt happy to go. My 16 yr old aspergers child has been missing a lot of school due to depression. His grades are not good, and every morning we try to get him to go, but sometimes I feel there is not much sense in this, as he is depressed and I question whether he is learning anything in this state of mind. we've had to hire a tutor, and he receives outside

counseling. His guidance

counselor told me that "school just isn't his thing"., even tho he's very smart. It's an on-going struggle. We are getting him re-evaluated, as his IEP was taken from him a few years ago. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject:

Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also

going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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Homeschooling certainly isn't for everyone. And, not all kids thrive in the environment. Some kids do better all around in an homeschool environment because they don't have the social abilities to deal with school (even though they have been thrown into the school system from preschool). Some other kids can't deal with school because of the sensory issues or their extreme anxieties or depression. Our kids learn by teaching and teaching and teaching. And, often, schools don't have the ability or patience to teach true social skills. Just being in a group of kids doesn't always "teach" our kids to be social, unfortunately. It just depends on the kid. And, sometimes it teaches the WRONG social behaviors! I am sure we have all experienced that unfortunate part of social

interactions.The social piece is certainly one argument against homeschooling but I doesn't have to be an argument. My son gets a great deal of socialization outside of school and with the academic intensity he has very little opportunities to socialize at school as it is. Its unfortunately, really. And, our school doesn't have social classes or groups to help these kids. The reality is, he has learned more social skills in 1:1 sessions (with his sister or his therapists or with me) than in school.Just an idea. I use to be against it. My husband was REALLY against it. But, we have changed alot in our thinking this year. We feel our child is wasting so much time in school. He is falling behind in certain subjects even though he is there 6 hours per day and comes homes to 3 hours of homework. With all the required homework

(even with mods and accommodations), we still don't have time to work on the areas that are holding him back such as speed of multiplication facts, reading fluency, inferences, social issues and self help issues. If my son were homeschooled...I wouldn't have the pressure of so many tests (4-5 per week)...plus, benchmarks (6x per year) and theme tests (6x per year) and CA Star Testing. I could focus on the areas he needs focus on! Just an idea. If your kiddo isn't going to school anyway (and, not there to learn)...he could totally do independent study until he gets past his challenges of depression and such.LoriSubject: Re: IntroTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 9:47 AM

I had similar issues with my son. He was the same age as your son and missing lots of school, yet still managed to get high honor roll. the teachers called me in and lectured me about the importance of going to school, as if I didnt know that. After a while I gave up arguing with them, This year he is 13 and rarely misses a day, tho he still isnt happy to go. My 16 yr old aspergers child has been missing a lot of school due to depression. His grades are not good, and every morning we try to get him to go, but sometimes I feel there is not much sense in this, as he is depressed and I question whether he is learning anything in this state of mind. we've had to hire a tutor, and he receives outside

counseling. His guidance

counselor told me that "school just isn't his thing"., even tho he's very smart. It's an on-going struggle. We are getting him re-evaluated, as his IEP was taken from him a few years ago. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:58 PM Subject:

Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun,

he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also

going

to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there! How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply,

and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***,_._,___

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Where we live, if you homeschool you can also take advantage of extra curicular activities offered by the school. A friend of mine homeschooled several years ago and her kids were allowed to take phys Ed at the school and they also participated in band and several after school sports. I guess if you home school, you still have to pay school taxes so you have the right to use the school for these things even if your kid is not attending regularly. These kids weren't on the spectrum but still could benefit from participating in activities with other kids their age.

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-- Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.

My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)

The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun, he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.

I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also going to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there!

How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?

Jodi

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Where we live, if you homeschool you can also take advantage of extra curicular activities offered by the school. A friend of mine homeschooled several years ago and her kids were allowed to take phys Ed at the school and they also participated in band and several after school sports. I guess if you home school, you still have to pay school taxes so you have the right to use the school for these things even if your kid is not attending regularly. These kids weren't on the spectrum but still could benefit from participating in activities with other kids their age.

Estevan, SK

Canada

-- Intro

My name is Jodi, I'm a single mom to three kids, my older two are 18 and 14, they both suffer from OCD of varying degrees, but they are both totally functioning.

My 12 year old, Ethan, has been given an official diagnoses of "falling within the spectrum", which depending on who you talk to makes him either "just like every other boy" (my dad) or "incredibly difficult to work with" (most of the rest of the world)

The truth of the matter is both. Ethan is just like every other child in that he likes to have fun, he's got a wicked sense of humor, plays with friends on the block until you hit a hot spot.

I'll start by saying that Ethan only borders on the spectrum. 99% of the time he's not displaying the traits that put him on the spectrum. Most issues I can resolve simply by using a calm tone or assigning consequences to behavior. The main issue we are having at the moment is school attendance. Ethan is an A student, so I'm not really concerned with his attendance, but the school is. How do I explain to the school that there are days I simply can't get him to go to school? There's no way I can or will physically dress him, remove him from his room, feed him, get him in the car and get him out and into school. First of all, I can't do it. I'm not as strong as he is. Secondly, if that's the measure it takes to get him to school, not only is he not learning anything that day but he's also going to make everyone in that school wish he wasn't there!

How do I explain to the school that this seemingly average child is not?

Jodi

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There's an app for my Android, it doesn't sound as good, but it may serve our purpose. We talked about expectations and things we can do to live up to the expectations. We talked about what qualifies as sick and we're both thinking about what the appropriate reward would be for not missing any more days of school. We decided on a trip to the water park/wave pool near our house. For expectations and good behavior, I didn't feel it fair to require EVERY DAY be a great day, we all have bad days. So E calculated there's 89 days between now and the last day of school and to get an A for behavior at home he'd need 80 good days. An A in behavior proves that he's responsible enough to have his computer in his room, instead of the kitchen. I'm interested to see how he

does! Jodi What children take from us, they give…We become people who feel more deeply, question more deeply, hurt more deeply, and love more deeply. Taitz, O Magazine, May 2003 ***To: autism-aspergers Sent: Sun, March 18, 2012 3:02:54 PMSubject: Re: Intro

A friend showed me an app that I have on my iPad now. It's called iReward and it's a simple tally system of behavior requirements and rewards. It has some set up when you download it, but I deleted all of their required behaviors and put our target behaviors, including following directions quickly, keeping personal space, and so on. And deleted their suggested rewards and put the ones that matter to my child, like 30 minutes of the Wii and going to a movie, etc. It's been very helpful in giving him a motivation and keeping me on top of the reward system that can quickly become overwhelming. We started out doing checkins with the system several times a day giving a star per item for the past couple of hours, and now just do it once a day for the whole day's behavior. So at the end of the day, if he kept personal space all day, he gets 5 stars. But if one time he got in his brother's face, he gets 4. If he got in his brother's face and also

tossed a toy and it got close to or hit someone, he gets 3. So it's positive-- he's almost always coming out ahead, but he gets more stars faster if he does better.

>Hi Jodi -- > >It sounds like you've got a problem on your hands. Have you tried setting up a (simple) daily system of rewards in a "pay as you go fashion" rather than penalties for the wrong behavior when it occurs? Sometimes it's easy to accidentally set up a negative system where all the child thinks he's hearing are threats -- what he won't get if he doesn't go to school. Maybe if you set it up so that each day's participation in fun activities happens only if he went to school. So, it's 4:00pm and he wants to turn on computer, the question becomes "Did you go to school today? OK, go ahead and play." Much more emphasis on the positive. > >

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