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Donna & !

Thank you so much for your encouraging words! I will check out the

torticolliskids group! I am sure that will benefit from the tubes. My

4 year old has had 2 sets and once they are in he never gets another ear

infection!! He never had trouble with speech so I guess this has thrown me

off a little! Evan's primary care physician is going to re-exam him at his

9 month check up and see if he feels he should go to a speech therapist or

maybe even an ENT for tubes!

I will keep you posted and you do the same!!!!

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From: Donna Vee [mailto:veelady4@...]

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:50 PM

Plagiocephalyegroups

Subject: For

Hi -

I think maybe I can help you with a few of your questions. First, do

you belong to the torticolliskids group? If not, you should

definetly join up. It is a wonderful website with a ton of

information.

My son wore a helmet for 4 months. He made most of the

improvement on the right side of his head (it was FLAT) and also his

eyes evened out a lot - still not perfect. He had a lump over his

right eye which totally went away. His ears did not make any

progress at all. I've just been reading some posts on this website

(or it might have been the tort website) that the ears usually don't

improve 100%.

As far as the lack of motion, that's very common. 's tort is on

his left side. He always prefers to use his right side (hand, arm,

foot, leg) over the left side. This does lead to gross motor delays

is some children. So far, has been doing okay in this area.

Try to make him use the affected part of his body. Hold a toy up,

position him so he has to look on the tort side. There's lots of

things to do to encourage him to use that side of his body more.

Ear infections - UUGGHHH! It is very common for tort babies to have

re-occuring ear infections. It hasn't been proven in the medical

field yet, but most of the tort moms will tell you the infections

have a lot to do with the head tilt. had ear tubes put in this

morning. All went well and I hope the ear infections will go away.

has a 48% speech delay due to all these infections. He will

start speech therapy in a week. Your Evan is only 8 months old and

as far as speech goes, it's still very early to determine if there is

a delay. If he has week jaw muscles, then I know he will definetly

benefit from speech therapy (it isn't all about speech and language).

Sorry to go on and on. I hope I helped you a little. Let me know

what happens and good luck to you!

Take care!

Donna and (1/4/99)

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Hi ,

Did you get better immediately after explant? I know alot of women who say it

took a long time to feel better and some who feel even worse. These are

mostly women who didn't treat with antifungals or supplements. I realize I am

an exception to have relief so quickly, but I am certain the aftercare was

what did it for me.

As for appearance, I take pride in mine as well. I work out regularly and

hired a personal trainer over a year ago and even dragged myself to the gym

when I could barely stand. I started getting so sick that I was cancelling

my sessions and that is when I called Dr. Kolb and told her I wanted to

explant and I truly at that time didn't care how they looked afterwards. I

paid for a lift up front and told Dr. Kolb to use her own judgement and I

didn't need the lift. I think I look great. Others may not, but of course if

I am content then that is what counts. Sure, I would be upset if my breasts

ended up badly scarred or disfigured. I didn't like my breasts with implants

in. One breast became significantly larger than the other due to CC and

infection. It is still slightly larger but I am ok with it because my health

is now improved. I guess for me personally, I felt I could handle the

aesthetic outcome no matter what. Everyone told me how I would regret explant

because of scars, etc. but I reached a point where I just knew it didn't

matter for me. I do respect that we all feel differently about our bodies

and understand that appearance after surgery is a big deal for most everyone.

I just felt that Daryl was being inundated with info about the aesthetic

aspects of explantation.

As for promoting certain docs, I highly recommend Dr. Kolb, as I am pleased w

ith her work. I think there is a difference between promoting and

recommending. I tell others of my personal experience with the realization

that they may not have the same outcome as I did as every case is uniquely

different and may require more specialized treatment. I would not want to go

to a dr. who had a cookie cutter approach to treatment but tailored it to

meet each patients individual needs.

Take Care,

Crystal

[Guest guest]

--

I think a great deal of healing is due to what you said "I expected

to get well" but also it depends on what went wrong and how much

damage it did--which can be different for different people. They might

get better, but not back to where they were originally.

For instance, exercise worked for you, but a well-known neurologist who

examined me and many implant patients, said "no exercise" in big letters

in my file when I left the hospital--I had voiced an opinion that I thought

it was probably needed and he went nuts; he explained that in the future he would give me "passive" exercises that increased gradually. For some, exercise would be absolutely, the wrong thing to do as it would tear muscle without repairing it. It's good that it worked for you and that you in fact, love it (I don't love it so being told

that I shouldn't engage in it was just fine with me--I'm a book person anyway lol)

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Crystal

I would say I had a kind of immediate relief, with flares ups in between. I

got better gradually but never went backwards once I made great strides in

my health. My healing was swift. I also think that with the brain fog it

took about 6 months to be able to notice the biggest difference , now I just

know it is totally gone. I still have plantar fascitis but I don't really

know or have any proof that this is related to implant illness. It could be,

but I also am such a work out freak that my Dr thinks it is just from

running and high heels over the years. I have it all undercontrol for the

time being so I am hoping to be done with it.

Do you still have hair loss? I am curious cause I thought is was you that

posted that. I know some women that would love to know how to stop the hair

loss. I am so blessed that I never had that, but I am sure had I kept my

implants any longer it would have probably been an issue as well.

I don't feel that Dr Feng only has one program for explant patients. If she

did I don't think she would have such a huge amount of happy patients. I

believe she is very professional and talented and focuses on what is her

specialty which is surgery and that is all. I never went to her to get

anything but a good explant and with that I expected to heal and I did.

I think we all have the same goal here, to get the implants out and to come

out of it with our health and our breasts in tact. I know for me I really

researched things before I jumped in. I didn't have enough cash to spend on

both surgery and a detox with a Dr, just was not in my finances as I was

single and living in a double wide trailer than, so I had only one option,

explant and then try to get better on my limited income with what I could

afford to buy at a health food store or a local grocery store. It is

difficult to spend $10,000 bucks on surgery and then to spend another huge

amount of money on a supervised detox program. However if someone can afford

them both it is a great option. I think that It is silly to argue or

disagree about what Daryl should do or who Daryl should go to, my only worry

was that she would go to Dr hyatt who Patty went to and is not happy with

her crease incisions so I try to let her know of my experience with my

surgeon who gave me great results and treated me with wonderful respect and

care and concern. My explant was a hard time but the staff made it easier

for me and I would and do highly recommend her because of my experience. I

think that a detox can be done yourself esp. if you are on a limited budget,

but if you have the $$ to spend or happen to live close to a good Dr for

detox than you are extra blessed. I kind of did things by trial and error

but followed Patty's good advice and things went well for me. I also believe

in exercise as being one of the key things in my healing, I workout and

always have as you said, even when I was falling down ill, I just never gave

up, I think that the fighting spirit in us is also a big huge part of why we

heal when others sometimes don't. You have to not only want to get well, you

have to be proactive in your healing. This is key. I still work out 4-6

times a week and find that it is therapeutic to me both mentally and

physically. Very healing.

Crystal I am glad you are getting better, and maybe I put things wrong when

I mentioned promoting as opposed to recommending, I respect that we all had

different PS's and all came out better, I think the bottom line here is that

it is great to have such wonderful Dr's to help us, Feng, Kolb, Huang

whoever we chose the fact is we are blessed to have such options so that we

can heal and look good. The best of both worlds.

Take care

----- Original Message -----

From: <CrystalRDH@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:09 PM

Subject: Re: For

> Hi ,

>

> Did you get better immediately after explant? I know alot of women who say

it

> took a long time to feel better and some who feel even worse. These are

> mostly women who didn't treat with antifungals or supplements. I realize I

am

> an exception to have relief so quickly, but I am certain the aftercare was

> what did it for me.

>

> As for appearance, I take pride in mine as well. I work out regularly and

> hired a personal trainer over a year ago and even dragged myself to the

gym

> when I could barely stand. I started getting so sick that I was

cancelling

> my sessions and that is when I called Dr. Kolb and told her I wanted to

> explant and I truly at that time didn't care how they looked afterwards. I

> paid for a lift up front and told Dr. Kolb to use her own judgement and I

> didn't need the lift. I think I look great. Others may not, but of course

if

> I am content then that is what counts. Sure, I would be upset if my

breasts

> ended up badly scarred or disfigured. I didn't like my breasts with

implants

> in. One breast became significantly larger than the other due to CC and

> infection. It is still slightly larger but I am ok with it because my

health

> is now improved. I guess for me personally, I felt I could handle the

> aesthetic outcome no matter what. Everyone told me how I would regret

explant

> because of scars, etc. but I reached a point where I just knew it didn't

> matter for me. I do respect that we all feel differently about our bodies

> and understand that appearance after surgery is a big deal for most

everyone.

> I just felt that Daryl was being inundated with info about the aesthetic

> aspects of explantation.

>

> As for promoting certain docs, I highly recommend Dr. Kolb, as I am

pleased w

> ith her work. I think there is a difference between promoting and

> recommending. I tell others of my personal experience with the

realization

> that they may not have the same outcome as I did as every case is uniquely

> different and may require more specialized treatment. I would not want to

go

> to a dr. who had a cookie cutter approach to treatment but tailored it to

> meet each patients individual needs.

>

> Take Care,

> Crystal

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is different types of working out that does not in fact tear muscle. Take swimming for example. Exercise is almost always needed to improve and increase oxygen to the body and vital organs especially the brain. 's protocol has walking and stretching on it. I think it is important, but as you said you are a book person, so if you hate it, then it probably won't work for you. I just cannot see very many cases where some form of exercise is not going to be beneficial. I don't necessarily mean weight lifting. Also osteoporosis is a consideration, weight bearing exercise helps this. All in all working out is a good thing, I cannot believe any Dr would ever say not to do anything physical. Almost all Dr's now know the benefit of moving, swimming walking, stretching, etc.

hugs

C

----- Original Message -----

From: Bos@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:34 AM

Subject: Re: For

-- I think a great deal of healing is due to what you said "I expected to get well" but also it depends on what went wrong and how much damage it did--which can be different for different people. They might get better, but not back to where they were originally. For instance, exercise worked for you, but a well-known neurologist who examined me and many implant patients, said "no exercise" in big letters in my file when I left the hospital--I had voiced an opinion that I thought it was probably needed and he went nuts; he explained that in the future he would give me "passive" exercises that increased gradually. For some, exercise would be absolutely, the wrong thing to do as it would tear muscle without repairing it. It's good that it worked for you and that you in fact, love it (I don't love it so being told that I shouldn't engage in it was just fine with me--I'm a book person anyway lol) Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I was not an exercise person either, Bonnie. I love books! I would rather read every day. But I was so surprised when I started walking this summer--I totally fell in love with walking. I love feeling and breathing the fresh air, being close to the grass, the trees, the plants, even the bugs~! Ha ha ha I think we kind of lose touch with nature when we are cooped up in our houses or dashing around in our cars. Now I prefer to walk where ever I can, and being out in the woods in Arizona was pure heaven. One of my goals now is to be able to do something really adventurous with my husband, like ride my bike from Nevada to Alaska, or canoe a river across Alaska, or something totally bizarre like that. It all started when I decided to walk to get my muscles pumping and things moving.

I have felt so much better as well. When I was first sick I could not exercise much without getting dizzy and totally worn out. But I firmly believe now that exercise is instrumental to getting the toxins out and keeping things moving and joints lubricated.

I never would have thought I would have loved it as much as I do, but I am hooked now.

Hey , by the way, have you had your osteopenia checked out lately? Has it improved? It has only been a few months since I was diagnosed with osteopenia in my spine, and I don't know if it is improving or not. I doubt it, because my back has been hurting lately--mostly in conjunction with my monthly periods. My neck hurts too, on the right side when I get up in the morning. Ticks me off!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:44 AM

Subject: Re: For

There is different types of working out that does not in fact tear muscle. Take swimming for example. Exercise is almost always needed to improve and increase oxygen to the body and vital organs especially the brain. 's protocol has walking and stretching on it. I think it is important, but as you said you are a book person, so if you hate it, then it probably won't work for you. I just cannot see very many cases where some form of exercise is not going to be beneficial. I don't necessarily mean weight lifting. Also osteoporosis is a consideration, weight bearing exercise helps this. All in all working out is a good thing, I cannot believe any Dr would ever say not to do anything physical. Almost all Dr's now know the benefit of moving, swimming walking, stretching, etc.

hugs

C

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

No, it wasn't me who posted about hair loss. I have always had terrible hair

though. It has always been very fine and oily and stick straight so I am

always trying to put some body into it. My sister is a hair stylist and she

came to help me with explant. She washed my hair the day after surgery and

later told me alot was coming out but didn't want to scare me. I imagine it

was due to surgery but it hasn't been a persistent problem. She is coloring

my hair Friday so I am gonna ask her then if she thinks I have lost more.

I certainly understand about the $$$ issue for detox. I am lucky that ins.

paid for some of my explant but I have spent plenty on supplements, Penta

water, prescriptions, special food etc. I have been fortunate that I make a

good living and have always been able to work even at my sickest. I know many

women are on disability and cannot afford any detox.

I initially came to this site looking for info about getting well. I mainly

wanted to hear if women were getting better and had been healed after

explant. I certainly appreciate the insight that I have gained. I am glad

you have recovered. I readily admit that even though I am better I still

worry about an exacerbation of my symptoms. I definitely feel better with the

antifungals though. The only issue I am dealing with now is no menstruation.

I haven't had a period since April. I don't think this is directly implant

related as I went off birth control pills in April after taking them for

almost 15 years. I think my ovaries have shut down as I am having menopause

symptoms like hot flashes and night sweats. I don't want to take any more

hormones to induce a period but I guess if I have to I will. They are doing a

sonogram next week to check for cysts. I also planning on seeing Dr. Clofine

who is a holistic gynecologist. He is Dr. Kolb's gyno and practice out of her

health group.

I don't know much about plantar fascitis. It is a wonder I don't have foot

problems. I have always been a slave to fashion and will buy shoes that I

know will hurt. I wore stilettos in the 80's and my feet were always hurting

then but I continued to wear heels. I wear more clunky heels now and they

aren't quite as bad if I don't wear them when I do a lot of walking. I would

think that with all your exercise it would probably have something to do with

it or at least aggravate it. I hope you get relief.

I do think Dr. Feng did a good job with your surgery. I think she is very

skilled. I just want women to know that there are lots of other docs out

there and that if they research it they might not always have to travel as

far to see a good explant doc.

I can't believe how lucky I was to be working down the street from Dr. Kolb.

I definitely have had the advantage of saving $$$ on travel etc. and I can

see her anytime I need to for aftercare. God has been good to me. I hope he

continues to bless us all.

Take Care,

Crystal

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I planned on posting my pics. Dr. Kolb still has to get my after pics back.

I had textured Mentor saline filled for 8 years. I started gettings symptoms

within a few months, but of course didn't want to think it was implants. I

developed severe allergies, chronic hives, joint pain, TIA (this is

particularly scary since my mother died of a massive stroke 6 years

ago),seizure like tremors at night, MS symptoms-peripheral paresthesia and

numbness in my leg,visual disturbances-floaters and flashers in eyes,

difficulty swallowing, asthma, GERD, extreme fatigue,hot flashes, night

sweats, constant headache and migraines, brain fog and memory loss,

sensitivities to food, medicines, fragrance-basically if it had a smell it

bothered me, dry mouth, constipation, anxiety and panic attacks, severe

depression. Anyway the list goes on. I still have allergy problems but not to

the extent before explants. I took an antihistamine daily for 3 solid years

to combat the chronic hives and allergic rhinitis. I had not one single

allergy before implants and no sinus problems whatsoever. Now I have several

food allergies and drug allergies, also multiple chemical sensitivities. I

have not taken any allergy meds since the day before surgery and I haven't

had hives and I can tolerate smells much better. I used to have to hold my

breath when I went to the mall and walked through the fragrance dept. I

actually ran from the saleperson spraying perfume on people! I can also use

some lotions and stuff that bothered me before. I am planning on trying the

NAET therapy that Dr. Kolb mentioned to e and I will let everyone know

how it goes. My fatigue is better but not totally gone but I have never been

a " high " energy person anyway. The exercise does help.

I took the Diflucan for 30 days and now take Nystatin. I did get elevated

liver function tests from it and won't take it again. They should check LFT

before treatment and after. I have prescription benefits with ins. so it was

$30 for the one month supply. There is a generic that is soon to be available

and I could have gotten that for $15.

I still suffer from some depression and get the SAD as well. I have some

unresolved grief issues since the loss of my parents. They died only 7 months

apart and then my boyfriend of 4 years moved out right after that so when I

got sick I really succumbed to the depression. I have gotten some counseling

and hope to get more as I of course have issues with this whole implant

fiasco.

I am planning on writing my story when I find the time to do it. I still

have a little trouble concentrating and ADD runs in my family. I think it

will be therapeutic for me to put it all in writing. I will let you know

about the photos. I posted a while back about that and will need somenone to

do it for me since I don't have a scanner.

Have a good evening.

Crystal

[Guest guest]

e

I used to get headaches when I drank lots of any kind of water including the

Penta. I don't anymore though. I am planning on trying the NAET therapy that

Dr. Kolb mentioned to you. I first heard of it about 2 years ago and thought

about trying it then. I doubt it would have helped when I had the implants in

since I truly think I was allergic to them. I will let you know if it works.

Take Care,

Crystal

[Guest guest]

Patty, Can you post what the franchise is? Or would you rather not? That's fine either way. Do you think you'll ever move back to Tucson? e ----- Original Message ----- From: ~*Patty*~ Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: For We opened our own business here, a franchise that was already in Tucson. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: Re: For Patty, What made you move to NV and leave Tucson? e

[Guest guest]

Dear Crystal

I am curious what kind of implants did you have and what kind of symptoms

did you have that you have now gotten relief from?How long did you have the

implants and how long before you got ill from them? Did you have the

excruciating brain fog that I did? That was the worse thing I had, it took

about 6 months to be totally gone, and then it would occasionally flare up.

Please tell us your story and more about your illness and your recovery.

What were the things that went away first? Please share with the group, it

is so important that women get to hear the things we had and what and how

they went away. Do you take diflucan and if so how do you afford it, and

aren't you concerned about taking such a strong med for a long period of

time? Also would you be willing to post your pics before and after, as right

now I have never seen any of Dr Kolbs work at all. This is probably another

reason I don't immediately think to suggest her as a PS I mean realistically

Dr Feng has lots of pics of her work and so does this site and

explantation.com, frankly we have really wanted to see her work and

especially we have searched to get stories from her patients that have been

treated succesfully, until you, I have not heard of any personal stories

regarding this so again, when I recomend my PS so often it is because I have

the proof and the photos to back up my story. And lots of others too. I have

appealed to that she would be helping many women if she posted some

pics of explants and lifts on her site, but she says she does not have time

to do this. So if you would send me yours I would be happy to post them. It

is important that women hear from the women who have had success, that is

why I am so loyal to this site, I feel it is something I owe to others to

help them any way I can. While it may seem that only a few PS's are

recomended that is true in a way, I mean there is along list of recomended

PS's on this site, but in reality when I researched my explant in 1999 and

2000 the name that I found most often was Feng's. The women I found that

were most often happy with the results were Feng. It is not that I am a

little biased hell I am allot biased, the first girl I met was Tracey from

explantation.com and she told me how she had such a wonderful experience and

that she had traveled from CA, then I hooked up with Ilenas group and it was

the same, tons of wonderful stories of succes with Feng. So to me there is

nothing like word of mouth.

I have really tried to get some patients of Kolbs to come out, and Huangs as

well, and I do have some of Huangs patients photos on this site, and they

look very good. So still waiting for Kolbs patients to send me some pics.

The photos really are important to women especially when they have to travel

so far.

I agree you were very lucky to have Kolb in your backyard, most of us have

not been that fortunate, but to me my trip to Ohio was well worth it,

frankly i needed TLC and that was what I got, and I needed someone who would

baby me, as I was very scared and emotional.

Money is a big issue yes, especially after spending so much on implants,

then on explant, then to have to spend more on supplements etc, can be hard

no doubt. However, detox and things can be done on your own, it is not too

hard to figure out a regimine that works for you and then stick to it. I am

happy and my health is good enough that i never had to miss any work at all,

in fact after explant I was back at work in 7 days.

There is one more thing and this in many womens eyes is a big issue, it may

not be to you, but it has come up before and for me, I have to admit, while

I respect 's work, the fact that she has implants didn't sit well with

me, and with some others I have known. It is a personal preference on my

part, just like I didn't want a man to operate on me, I also felt

uncomfortable with a surgeon who speaks of the harm of implants, while

herself is implanted. I don't know, I don't talk about it much but others

also do question this allot. While it is her body and her right to do with

it as she wants, between the lack of photos and the fact that she has

implants, I just felt uncomfortable, also since then I knew of no one that

had went to her, it just made me a bit uncomfortable. I don't want to ruffle

any feathers with this post, but that is the way I feel.

I also know that to me it was nice to know that my PS not only didn't have

implants, but that her entire office staff was implant free. In fact her

lovely nurse Kathy told me that she once thought of getting them, but after

working for Dr Feng she would not even consider it. She also told me that Dr

Feng rarely does implantation, she will of course if a patient insists upon

it, but she told me it is rare that after she tells them the things she

knows about implants and illness, that most patients either opt for just a

lift or end up maybe not getting them at all. Anyhow it seems that some

where along the line it has been stated that Dr Feng does not treat the

whole illness, I disagree with this statement. All the women I know who have

went to her also would disagree. While she does not push any particular

detox program she does recomend vitamins and supplemts, and a healthy diet

and plenty of exercise, rest and common sense. She is very experienced with

the diseases implants can cause so to say that she does not treat the whole

patient is inaccurate. Everyone has an opinon on what they feell they need

to do. I prayed and prayed to god and was guided by his influence to the

skilled hands of a fine surgeon and I will continue to recomend her for as

long as I am alive.

I really do hope that since you are such a happy Dr Kolb patient you will

consider sharing your entire story and your pictures with us, many women

would be interested in seeing her work. I realize you did not have a lift,

but that doesn't matter, women also want to know how things come out without

the lift as well.

Anyhow I meant no offense here, but when you said what you did about feeling

that women were not being told of other options, I felt that was not true

and wanted to explain how it is that in fact women do get refered to ps's in

their area when there is one, but in almost all cases I do recomend the trip

to Cleveland to be worth it 100% if you can swing it.

Many women are not as blessed as us to have been able to be taken care of by

such wonderful caring Dr's and to have the excellent results aesthetically

and I do consider myself extremely blessed to have my health again. I never

expected to get well over night, after all I didn't get ill in a day, so I

knew it would be work and that it would take time, and that there would be

bumps in the road, but all in all things went smooth for me. Right now even

my plantar fascitis is under control, so I am really feeling fantastic. I

never thought I would be able to say this but I feel and look better than I

ever did before. It truly is amazing.

Anyhow think about the pictures if you can I would love to put them up on

the site.

Take care

----- Original Message -----

From: <CrystalRDH@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:50 PM

Subject: Re: For

> Hi ,

>

> No, it wasn't me who posted about hair loss. I have always had terrible

hair

> though. It has always been very fine and oily and stick straight so I am

> always trying to put some body into it. My sister is a hair stylist and

she

> came to help me with explant. She washed my hair the day after surgery and

> later told me alot was coming out but didn't want to scare me. I imagine

it

> was due to surgery but it hasn't been a persistent problem. She is

coloring

> my hair Friday so I am gonna ask her then if she thinks I have lost more.

>

> I certainly understand about the $$$ issue for detox. I am lucky that ins.

> paid for some of my explant but I have spent plenty on supplements, Penta

> water, prescriptions, special food etc. I have been fortunate that I make

a

> good living and have always been able to work even at my sickest. I know

many

> women are on disability and cannot afford any detox.

>

> I initially came to this site looking for info about getting well. I

mainly

> wanted to hear if women were getting better and had been healed after

> explant. I certainly appreciate the insight that I have gained. I am glad

> you have recovered. I readily admit that even though I am better I still

> worry about an exacerbation of my symptoms. I definitely feel better with

the

> antifungals though. The only issue I am dealing with now is no

menstruation.

> I haven't had a period since April. I don't think this is directly implant

> related as I went off birth control pills in April after taking them for

> almost 15 years. I think my ovaries have shut down as I am having

menopause

> symptoms like hot flashes and night sweats. I don't want to take any more

> hormones to induce a period but I guess if I have to I will. They are

doing a

> sonogram next week to check for cysts. I also planning on seeing Dr.

Clofine

> who is a holistic gynecologist. He is Dr. Kolb's gyno and practice out of

her

> health group.

>

> I don't know much about plantar fascitis. It is a wonder I don't have

foot

> problems. I have always been a slave to fashion and will buy shoes that I

> know will hurt. I wore stilettos in the 80's and my feet were always

hurting

> then but I continued to wear heels. I wear more clunky heels now and they

> aren't quite as bad if I don't wear them when I do a lot of walking. I

would

> think that with all your exercise it would probably have something to do

with

> it or at least aggravate it. I hope you get relief.

>

> I do think Dr. Feng did a good job with your surgery. I think she is very

> skilled. I just want women to know that there are lots of other docs out

> there and that if they research it they might not always have to travel as

> far to see a good explant doc.

> I can't believe how lucky I was to be working down the street from Dr.

Kolb.

> I definitely have had the advantage of saving $$$ on travel etc. and I

can

> see her anytime I need to for aftercare. God has been good to me. I hope

he

> continues to bless us all.

>

> Take Care,

> Crystal

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

I agree with you--great post -- except I'm OK with a male doctor!

Take care,

LM

[Guest guest]

I tried Penta water and it gave me a headache. I didn't like it at all. So, I just stick to my Crystal Geyser water. e ----- Original Message ----- From: CrystalRDH@... Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: Re: For Hi ,No, it wasn't me who posted about hair loss. I have always had terrible hair though. It has always been very fine and oily and stick straight so I am always trying to put some body into it. My sister is a hair stylist and she came to help me with explant. She washed my hair the day after surgery and later told me alot was coming out but didn't want to scare me. I imagine it was due to surgery but it hasn't been a persistent problem. She is coloring my hair Friday so I am gonna ask her then if she thinks I have lost more.I certainly understand about the $$$ issue for detox. I am lucky that ins. paid for some of my explant but I have spent plenty on supplements, Penta water, prescriptions, special food etc. I have been fortunate that I make a good living and have always been able to work even at my sickest. I know many women are on disability and cannot afford any detox.I initially came to this site looking for info about getting well. I mainly wanted to hear if women were getting better and had been healed after explant. I certainly appreciate the insight that I have gained. I am glad you have recovered. I readily admit that even though I am better I still worry about an exacerbation of my symptoms. I definitely feel better with the antifungals though. The only issue I am dealing with now is no menstruation. I haven't had a period since April. I don't think this is directly implant related as I went off birth control pills in April after taking them for almost 15 years. I think my ovaries have shut down as I am having menopause symptoms like hot flashes and night sweats. I don't want to take any more hormones to induce a period but I guess if I have to I will. They are doing a sonogram next week to check for cysts. I also planning on seeing Dr. Clofine who is a holistic gynecologist. He is Dr. Kolb's gyno and practice out of her health group. I don't know much about plantar fascitis. It is a wonder I don't have foot problems. I have always been a slave to fashion and will buy shoes that I know will hurt. I wore stilettos in the 80's and my feet were always hurting then but I continued to wear heels. I wear more clunky heels now and they aren't quite as bad if I don't wear them when I do a lot of walking. I would think that with all your exercise it would probably have something to do with it or at least aggravate it. I hope you get relief.I do think Dr. Feng did a good job with your surgery. I think she is very skilled. I just want women to know that there are lots of other docs out there and that if they research it they might not always have to travel as far to see a good explant doc. I can't believe how lucky I was to be working down the street from Dr. Kolb. I definitely have had the advantage of saving $$$ on travel etc. and I can see her anytime I need to for aftercare. God has been good to me. I hope he continues to bless us all.Take Care, Crystal

[Guest guest]

, I'm sorry I have been so busy, I read about how you guys still don't have pics from Dr. Kolb's work, and that realy is important for referrals. I agree! I will send my pics once I get them from Dr. Kolb,and the after ones developed. I had that that new type of lift and I am sure you would be intertested in seeing them. Where do I send them ?

[Guest guest]

,

If you have a scanner, you can upload them to the website yourself. If you don't, you can send them to me or (I think you have a scanner, right ?) and we can get them posted on the site. I can get them back to you right away. Just let us know if you want our address.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:24 AM

Subject: Re: For

, I'm sorry I have been so busy, I read about how you guys still don't have pics from Dr. Kolb's work, and that realy is important for referrals. I agree! I will send my pics once I get them from Dr. Kolb,and the after ones developed. I had that that new type of lift and I am sure you would be intertested in seeing them. Where do I send them ?

[Guest guest]

:

Mine is too--damn!

LM

[Guest guest]

Do you need them scanned or do you have a scanner?

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:24 AM

Subject: Re: For

, I'm sorry I have been so busy, I read about how you guys still don't have pics from Dr. Kolb's work, and that realy is important for referrals. I agree! I will send my pics once I get them from Dr. Kolb,and the after ones developed. I had that that new type of lift and I am sure you would be intertested in seeing them. Where do I send them ?

[Guest guest]

I really hope you will post them, I can help but my scanner is busted so if you need them scanned you will have to ask Patty to do it, either one of us however have access to do it, or you can do it yourself. It is all up to you either way we can make sure they get put up!

Hugs

C

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:24 AM

Subject: Re: For

, I'm sorry I have been so busy, I read about how you guys still don't have pics from Dr. Kolb's work, and that realy is important for referrals. I agree! I will send my pics once I get them from Dr. Kolb,and the after ones developed. I had that that new type of lift and I am sure you would be intertested in seeing them. Where do I send them ?

[Guest guest]

My scanner is broken again, piece of shit! ARG

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: For

,

If you have a scanner, you can upload them to the website yourself. If you don't, you can send them to me or (I think you have a scanner, right ?) and we can get them posted on the site. I can get them back to you right away. Just let us know if you want our address.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:24 AM

Subject: Re: For

, I'm sorry I have been so busy, I read about how you guys still don't have pics from Dr. Kolb's work, and that realy is important for referrals. I agree! I will send my pics once I get them from Dr. Kolb,and the after ones developed. I had that that new type of lift and I am sure you would be intertested in seeing them. Where do I send them ?

[Guest guest]

You had implants for 8 years and did not get sick for a long time or just

not bad enough to do anything about then? Man my symptoms were so fast and

so bad it was no denying what was wrong with me. Anyhow I am now almost 2

years since explant, it will be two years December 8th, I have come so far

and am extremely blessed in my life.

So do you get any symptoms anymore. How long has it been again since explant

for you?

Happy your doing better!

----- Original Message -----

From: <CrystalRDH@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:26 PM

Subject: Re: For

> Hi ,

>

> I planned on posting my pics. Dr. Kolb still has to get my after pics

back.

> I had textured Mentor saline filled for 8 years. I started gettings

symptoms

> within a few months, but of course didn't want to think it was implants.

I

> developed severe allergies, chronic hives, joint pain, TIA (this is

> particularly scary since my mother died of a massive stroke 6 years

> ago),seizure like tremors at night, MS symptoms-peripheral paresthesia and

> numbness in my leg,visual disturbances-floaters and flashers in eyes,

> difficulty swallowing, asthma, GERD, extreme fatigue,hot flashes, night

> sweats, constant headache and migraines, brain fog and memory loss,

> sensitivities to food, medicines, fragrance-basically if it had a smell it

> bothered me, dry mouth, constipation, anxiety and panic attacks, severe

> depression. Anyway the list goes on. I still have allergy problems but not

to

> the extent before explants. I took an antihistamine daily for 3 solid

years

> to combat the chronic hives and allergic rhinitis. I had not one single

> allergy before implants and no sinus problems whatsoever. Now I have

several

> food allergies and drug allergies, also multiple chemical sensitivities. I

> have not taken any allergy meds since the day before surgery and I haven't

> had hives and I can tolerate smells much better. I used to have to hold my

> breath when I went to the mall and walked through the fragrance dept. I

> actually ran from the saleperson spraying perfume on people! I can also

use

> some lotions and stuff that bothered me before. I am planning on trying

the

> NAET therapy that Dr. Kolb mentioned to e and I will let everyone

know

> how it goes. My fatigue is better but not totally gone but I have never

been

> a " high " energy person anyway. The exercise does help.

>

> I took the Diflucan for 30 days and now take Nystatin. I did get elevated

> liver function tests from it and won't take it again. They should check

LFT

> before treatment and after. I have prescription benefits with ins. so it

was

> $30 for the one month supply. There is a generic that is soon to be

available

> and I could have gotten that for $15.

>

> I still suffer from some depression and get the SAD as well. I have some

> unresolved grief issues since the loss of my parents. They died only 7

months

> apart and then my boyfriend of 4 years moved out right after that so when

I

> got sick I really succumbed to the depression. I have gotten some

counseling

> and hope to get more as I of course have issues with this whole implant

> fiasco.

>

> I am planning on writing my story when I find the time to do it. I still

> have a little trouble concentrating and ADD runs in my family. I think it

> will be therapeutic for me to put it all in writing. I will let you know

> about the photos. I posted a while back about that and will need somenone

to

> do it for me since I don't have a scanner.

>

> Have a good evening.

> Crystal

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Really headaches from water? how weird!

----- Original Message -----

From: <CrystalRDH@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:35 PM

Subject: Re: For

> e

>

> I used to get headaches when I drank lots of any kind of water including

the

> Penta. I don't anymore though. I am planning on trying the NAET therapy

that

> Dr. Kolb mentioned to you. I first heard of it about 2 years ago and

thought

> about trying it then. I doubt it would have helped when I had the implants

in

> since I truly think I was allergic to them. I will let you know if it

works.

>

> Take Care,

> Crystal

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have never had a patient report this and many of my patients are on Penta water. .

-----Original Message-----From: e Rene [mailto:e_Rene@...]Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: Re: For

The Penta water has oxygen in it, and oxygen can cause HA's. It is medicinal grade O2 that is in Penta. I really felt lousy after drinking it. Plus, to me, it had a weird aftertaste that I didn't like. I switched back to Crystal Geyser and Dannon water, and I was fine. No more HA's, no weird taste.

e

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: For

Really headaches from water? how weird!----- Original Message -----From: <CrystalRDH@...>< >Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:35 PMSubject: Re: For > e>> I used to get headaches when I drank lots of any kind of water includingthe> Penta. I don't anymore though. I am planning on trying the NAET therapythat> Dr. Kolb mentioned to you. I first heard of it about 2 years ago andthought> about trying it then. I doubt it would have helped when I had the implantsin> since I truly think I was allergic to them. I will let you know if itworks.>> Take Care,> Crystal>>>

[Guest guest]

The Penta water has oxygen in it, and oxygen can cause HA's. It is medicinal grade O2 that is in Penta. I really felt lousy after drinking it. Plus, to me, it had a weird aftertaste that I didn't like. I switched back to Crystal Geyser and Dannon water, and I was fine. No more HA's, no weird taste. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: Re: For Really headaches from water? how weird!----- Original Message -----From: <CrystalRDH@...>< >Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:35 PMSubject: Re: For > e>> I used to get headaches when I drank lots of any kind of water includingthe> Penta. I don't anymore though. I am planning on trying the NAET therapythat> Dr. Kolb mentioned to you. I first heard of it about 2 years ago andthought> about trying it then. I doubt it would have helped when I had the implantsin> since I truly think I was allergic to them. I will let you know if itworks.>> Take Care,> Crystal>>>

[Guest guest]

Well, , you and I both know, being medical professionals, that you never say never in medicine. And just because your pts have never reported this, doesn't mean it's not possible. I tried the Penta water, felt lousy, and my HA's definately correlated with when I drank the water. And the aftertaste I thought the Penta water had was disgusting. I am not saying that Penta water is bad, nor am I saying that everyone will get these side effects. I can't drink it, and I don't like it. That's me, that's my perogative. As you should already be able to tell, my body doesn't tolerate much of anything, and reacts differently to things that normally most people wouldn't or don't react to. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Kolb Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:45 PM Subject: RE: For I have never had a patient report this and many of my patients are on Penta water. . -----Original Message-----From: e Rene [mailto:e_Rene@...]Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: Re: For The Penta water has oxygen in it, and oxygen can cause HA's. It is medicinal grade O2 that is in Penta. I really felt lousy after drinking it. Plus, to me, it had a weird aftertaste that I didn't like. I switched back to Crystal Geyser and Dannon water, and I was fine. No more HA's, no weird taste. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: Re: For Really headaches from water? how weird!----- Original Message -----From: <CrystalRDH@...>< >Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:35 PMSubject: Re: For > e>> I used to get headaches when I drank lots of any kind of water includingthe> Penta. I don't anymore though. I am planning on trying the NAET therapythat> Dr. Kolb mentioned to you. I first heard of it about 2 years ago andthought> about trying it then. I doubt it would have helped when I had the implantsin> since I truly think I was allergic to them. I will let you know if itworks.>> Take Care,> Crystal>>>

[Guest guest]

I got sick within a few months and continued to get progressively worse. I waited so long to explant for many reasons. My parents died and I had moved to a new city and started a new job. I became very depressed and was not willing ot go through surgery. I also couldn't afford it at the time. I actually knew without a doubt they were making me sick but I just kept drudging along and continued to suffer. I actually started to feel a little better about a year ago when I started working out with my trainer but then this past Jan. ny sypmtoms came back with a vengeance. I do have to say that most of my symptoms really peaked at about 4 years with the implants.

I had no problem parting with them though because I never was happy with them anyway. They made me look matronly and fat in big shorts so I actually was relieved to go back to a smaller size. I do wish I had explanted sooner and hope it won't impact my health further down the road. I just had a paralyzing fear of undergoing the surgery. I had become so allergic to everything I was afraid I couldn't handle it.

I am so glad to be free now. It has been 2 months since my explant. Some days are better than others but mostly they are good and symptom free.

Crystal