Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Beverly, That's where the counting rules come in. Chronic exposure to mercury does not show as high mercury on the hair analysis, it causes a " scatter " among the minerals with a total of 5 or more outside the reference range indicating mercury toxicity. Very few doctors know this and therefore even those willing to order a hair analysis don't recognize mercury toxicity. S -------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Bernie, You really did a great job and it is some great reading. I am so glad you t ook the time to answer the questions. I have a comment to add... In reference to... Q: I've made an appointment for a hair test and I'm tryi ng to find a doctor to help me chelate. I was told and please correct me if I am wrong... that the hair test will o nly show a positive on mercury if the exposure to Mercury was with in the l ast 30 days. Therefore if the child has Mercury poison and the exposure was due to shots at age 2 years and the child is now 3 years old. The child wi ll not show Mercury in the hair test, but will have Mercury poison. Is this true? Thank You Sincerely, Beverly Weakley *** [This message has been truncated.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 looks like I should have read further in the digest before answering all the questions. someone has already done a good job on the questions. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Dear Bernie, You really did a great job and it is some great reading. I am so glad you took the time to answer the questions. I have a comment to add... In reference to... Q: I've made an appointment for a hair test and I'm trying to find adoctor to help me chelate. I was told and please correct me if I am wrong... that the hair test will only show a positive on mercury if the exposure to Mercury was with in the last 30 days. Therefore if the child has Mercury poison and the exposure was due to shots at age 2 years and the child is now 3 years old. The child will not show Mercury in the hair test, but will have Mercury poison. Is this true? Thank You Sincerely, Beverly Weakley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Frequently Asked Questions Related to MMS 1. "What about my other medicines? Will MMS conflict with a specific medication or pill?"We have no reports of MMS conflicting with other medications in any harmful way. However, many drugs contain poisons and toxins that MMS may remove. The ClO2 (produced by the MMS) may be used up more quickly or unfairly as ClO2 attacks various medical poisons and marks them for elimination. That means that no one can tell if the benefit of ClO2 was reduced unfairly. Also, your costly other medicines may be targeted for elimination from your body thus reducing their effectiveness. But with no reports of damage to anyone's body, MMS does not conflict in any harmful way with other medicines as far as we know. 2. "How do I know that MMS won't harm me?"MMS produces ClO2 (chlorine dioxide) which is the germ-killing agent. Cl02 cannot harm normal living cells because the oxidizing power of ClO2 is below the level of oxygen at .95 volts. Normal body cells are nicely self-encapsulated and ClO2 is not attracted to normal cells and is incapable of oxidizing normal cells. If you understand this, you will have no basis for avoiding experimentation. Cautiously proceed and observe health improvements yourself. Stop using it if anything doesn't match the writings, articles, and suggested ways to apply MMS to various situations such as spraying skin, tub baths, internal Use, etc.) 3. "Are There Some References I Can Call?"It's understandable. We all want "proof" that MMS was helpful for other people who had a similar health issue like high blood pressure, or some allergy. Unfortunately, it is unlawful for MMS staff to enable cross-talk between MMS users. Health records are not retained from any MMS users because privacy laws require privacy of medical records. If the Institute had any medical records, they could not be released - not a phone number or name or address. Testimonials come in from people who recovered from one disease or another (Hepatitis B for example, or toe fungus, shingles, skin moles, vertigo etc.). Testimonials are posted at [ www.MiracleMineralStories.com ] . The Institute will eventually store copies of blood reports, PSA readings, blood sugar readings, etc. as donations and funding enable so that a scientific basis can be referred to as evidence of health improvements. 4. "I Must talk to An Authority About This."Since normal body cells cannot be harmed by MMS, an outside authority is not really needed to make a ruling on whether MMS might be helpful or damaging in your case. We all wish there was a guarantee that a pill or enema or vitamin or skin cream would definitely stop cancer, fungus, candida, staph infection, or sore throat. However, no such guarantee is offered anywhere - even after a doctor interviews you learning your age, sex, medical history, allergies, heart health, prior surgeries, blood tests, nutrition, smoking history, alcohol history, addictions, and much more. The MMS Institute has none of that information. 5. "What's Different About MMS? Isn't it Just Chlorine?"ClO2 (produced by activated MMS is not chlorine any more than table salt (NaCl) is chlorine. ClO2 is a unique molecule with the amazing ability to be attracted to germs, bacteria, fungus, mold, viruses, poisons, heavy metals, and more. With MMS you have a broad spectrum antibiotic agent that you mix in your kitchen, to which germs cannot become immune - not even STAPH or MRSA. MMS enables you - a sovereign and thoughtful individual - to cautiously begin at the one drop level and observe for yourself the benefits that result. One or two days of mild diarrhea is good - part of any detoxification process. What is different is that ClO2 perfectly differentiates between normal living cells in which it has no interest or attraction, but is attracted to pathogens where it does a lightening strike because they have free electrons to give up, tearing away the walls of the unwanted pathogens. That's what is different about MMS. Follow the instructions at [ www.MMSinstructions.com ] . A mere two drop dose taken every 2 hours apart, or 1.5 hours apart will in a few days provide cleansing of a lifetime collection of pathogens that you may be hosting. If you miss a dose - don't worry about it. When the ClO2 is circulating, it is finding pathogens and is ripping their walls apart, and they are flushed away. Always back off when MMS is killing pathogens faster than your liver can eliminate them - signaled by nausea. Reduce your dosage, then resume later. If you took a 2 drop dose (activated with 10 drops apple cider vinegar or citric acid) every two hours with lots of water, you would gradually be detoxified and pathogens will be removed. Avoid Vitamin C and antioxidants during this period. Avoid colloidal or ionic silver temporarily because it's a heavy metal and the ClO2 will be used up trying to remove the silver. Resume silver after the MMS detox has finished - usually after 3 or 4 weeks. 6. "Where Can I Buy MMS? Which MMS resellers or suppliers on the Internet provide safe product?If you are outside the United States, click to see various suppliers in 30 various countries [ Here ] In the United States the two largest labs that manufacture MMS are these:[ PGL Project Green Life ] and [ MMSdr - Dennis ] If you want to purchase MMS2 capsules, this vendor ships worldwide: [ Mineral-Solutions.net ] Also this MMS2 vendor in Canada ships throughout the Americas. [ www.SubtleEnergyTherapy.com ] . 7. "How Will I Know When to Quit or Reduce My MMS Intake? Do I Have to Take It For The Rest of My Life?"No one is watching. You can quit anytime. After 3 or 4 weeks most people are quite well cleansed of their toxic load but this differs for every person. Do you have a history of Smoking? Alcohol? Cancer? Addictions, Allergies? Herpes? Shingles? AIDS, TB? Leprosy? Prior Vaccinations? Heavy Metal Intake? Quit when you no longer experience any nausea barrier. Then go onto a maintenance mode of 3 drops once a day or every other day, or any other suitable maintenance schedule. See Jim's writings on this topic after you no longer experience any nausea barriers - which means ClO2 is not finding toxins to kill of any significance. 8. "What if MMS Doesn't Work For Me? All My Relatives Died From What I Have."CLO2 ions and gas can't help themselves. Wherever there are germs or bacteria, their free electrons will attract the ClO2. On contact the ClO2 will rip 3 or 4 electrons out of the walls of pathogens. The germs are "oxidized." You might think that MMS could do that for someone else - but maybe "not for my eczema, or my scabies, or my ringworm, or my post-nasal drip, or my inflamed pancreas." WRONG. ClO2 kills things in the air, in swimming pools, in city water supplies, in dogs, and in your body - can't help itself. That's why they hired SabreTechServices, Inc. to produce ClO2 gas in their truck and pump it into government offices to clear out the anthrax - every invisible particle. By contract with guarantees. It's been used to clear those invisible stomach viruses out of cruise liners. ClO2 WILL kill all known germs and pathogens - even yours. 9. MMS WON'T WORK IF: - Won't work if you just play around with it - tinkering with no schedule or no regard for basic instructions. Examples: a person who takes 2 drops one day and 10 drops the next day (disobeying instructions), or innovators who try to take MMS with milk or orange juice, or those who forget to add the acid, or those who won't wait and swirl for 3 minutes before adding water. There are very few instructions but some of them are critical and necessary. Jim's protocols are the result of years of testing, so don't try to innovate beyond your understanding of how MMS works. One man tried to make "A gallon to go," then chug-a lugged a pint or more. OK, it worked alright - he stayed home two days with a bucket close beside the toilet. - Won't work if you were trying to ramp up to 15 drops twice a day (obsolete method), then hated the taste, and stopped using MMS. We now know that MMS only lasts 1.5 hours in the body. You rarely need to take more than two or three drop doses if you do it every 2 hours or less. Read Jim's latest protocols below. But some people (acting like children) quit because of the taste. Stay with two drop doses in lots of water and you won't taste it at all. - May not work if you are using colloidal silver. Silver causes the ClO2 to be used-up rapidly because it finds silver nicely scattered throughout the body (which is normally good). The silver "wastes" the ClO2. Resume use of silver after the MMS detoxification process is past - after 3 or 4 weeks. Similar, vitamin C and antioxidants also neutralize ClO2 effectively. Resume "C" and silver after the detox is accomplished. - Won't work if you are taking prescription drugs that use up the ClO2 which tries to eradicate the poisons in pills or drugs. MMS may view components of the drug to be a poison that needs to be eliminated. Your expensive drugs may be neutralizing the ClO2 unfairly so that MMS provides reduced benefits. - Won't work if your prescription drugs are keeping you perpetually ill or sick, like strong antibiotics, chemo, or other drugs that poison you faster than MMS can keep up. - RARE, but it won't work if you are allergic to citric acid unless you switch to unfiltered vinegar. This was discovered about two years ago. Maybe one person in 5,000 will get sick if one drop of citric acid at the 10% solution hits the tongue. They can drink lemonade ok and never knew they were allergic to citric at a higher solution level. If you start with a one-drop MMS dose - activated with 5 drops citric acid (10% solution) and then soon become nauseous and begin throwing up for no reason, you should quickly drink water with two spoons of baking soda in it to stop the allergic reaction. THIS IS VERY RARE. You can avoid this rare situation by using Braggs apple cider unfiltered vinegar as the preferred acid-activator. Unlike white vinegar, this vinegar can defeat candida all by itself - but with MMS it is a powerful yeast-killer - and no one is allergic to it. People who experience the first MMS drop disaster rarely came back to try MMS again. But they can - by safely switching to unfiltered vinegar for the activating acid. - Won't work if you fail to read or be guided by instructions. If intestinal cleanout lasts more than two days, you should slow down the MMS doses, or wait a few days. You can get nausea because the MMS is killing pathogens faster than your elimination system can handle it, but some people bravely keep increasing their dosage as though there was some benefit in being sick. An article on how to avoid nausea is [ Here ] . Antidotes for nausea are explained at the Articles site. - Won't work if you mix it backwards or forgot to activate MMS with an acid. Any mistake in mixing the two ingredients means that very little if any ClO2 will be generated. No ClO2 means there is no beneficial agent to destroy germs without also killing normal body cells. - Won't work if you put MMS from the MMS bottle directly on a skin mole, or open sore, or scalp. If you don't put ACID with MMS and let them combine in a cup for 3 minutes, you would be placing a caustic bleach-like fluid directly on your skin. It kills germs harshly but it also kills normal living cells. MMS by design requires 5 drops acid to every one drop MMS. Disobey this requirement at your own risk. - Won't work if you mix it directly into a glass of water and (for example) put 2 drops MMS into a glass of water and then drop 10 drops vinegar or citric acid into the water. Won't work. The two ingredients will never find each other. They will never lock together to create ClO2 which is the beneficial agent. The activation must be done in an empty cup or glass. After 3 minutes of swirling, dump the pale yellow Cl02 liquid into one half glass of water (or more). The ClO2 molecules are now locked together. You could put them in a bathtub and they will not be diminished by any amount of water. Lots of water masks the taste effectively when you drink it. The Institute for Advanced MMS Studies receives success stories from MMS1 and MMS2 users. Write to [ The Institute ] This table of MMS resources is maintained by Jim Humble from his African locations. It will be in the back of his new book available in December, 2009. MMS is not sold through any of Jim's Web pages below. MMS INFORMATION LINKS Click These Links [Here] www.JimHumble.biz/ Recent writings and protocols of Jim Humble [Here] www.MMS-education.com/ An index of basic MMS information & articles. [Here] www.MMS-Central.com/ Free download Jim's MMS1 book - Volume One [Here] www.MMSnews.org/ Free MMS newsletter signup [Here] www.JimHumbleFoundation.org/ Read about Jim's vision. Donations accepted there. [Here] www.MiracleMineral.org/book.php/ Buy Jim's hardback book (both vols) [Here] www.MMSanswers.com/ Database of diseases with Jim's comments [Here] www.MMSarticles.com/ Supplemental articles about MMS [Here] www.JimHumble.biz/mms2intro.htm Introduction to MMS2 and its capabilities [Here] www.MMSmedicalResearch.com/ Bibliographies and college course notes re "bioredox" [Here] www.MMS-central.com/mms2dosage.htm Answers questions about dosage suggestions for MMS2 [Here] www.MMSinstructions.com/ How to activate MMS1 and what to expect [Here] www.JimHumble.biz/biz-brochure.pdf Database of diseases with Jim's comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 2. " How do I know that MMS won't harm me? " MMS produces ClO2 (chlorine dioxide) which is the germ-killing agent. Cl02 cannot harm normal living cells because the oxidizing power of ClO2 is below the level of oxygen at .95 volts. Normal body cells are nicely self-encapsulated and ClO2 is not attracted to normal cells and is incapable of oxidizing normal cells. If you understand this, you will have no basis for avoiding experimentation. Cautiously proceed and observe health improvements yourself. Stop using it if anything doesn't match the writings, articles, and suggested ways to apply MMS to various situations such as spraying skin, tub baths, internal Use, etc.) it does damage healthy cells and it has been discussed at length here and elsewhere. mms can damage the heart, the biofilm of the gut, cause oxidative stress ust to name three. If someone wants to take it fine. We all have reasons why we might take something that is potentially harmful. That is not the issue. Saying it does no harm, cannot do harm is not only not true it is unconscionable and it’s time it stops. Spreading false information like this and then what, someone winds up with serious heart problems like daddybob to name just one (there are more). Do you really want to be the one to spread untruths like this and have someone drop dead from a heart attack? More is accomplished by giving ppl the truth of the matter and letting them make their own decisions based on full disclosure. Join Bishop Jame’s church and be of a mindset to follow religiously what he says. In medicine, it states that you must do double blind clinical trials with proper equipment, and properly trained and educated people… So please, don’t worship the scientific method, it is baloney. But this is not a forum for religious worship…it is a forum for ppl with challenges to get solid answers. With truthful answers they can decide the safest way to proceed when using MMS. I can’t find anywhere in the literature where it alerts to things to watch for heart reaction or biofilm wise. MMS harms healthy tissues…get it? MMS harms healthy tissues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Hi Palulokon These faqs came from Jim Humble directly from his FAQ page according to him there are more then 3 million bottles of MMS in use around the world and nobody has been harmed from it. I have been taking MMS for more then a year with amazing results. and it has done no harm ...if the protocol is followed correctly. I have 4 friends who have fully recovered from Cancer using MMS1 and MMS2..This was verified by the medical system CATSCAN and MRIs although they did not know how it happened... SODIUM CHLORITE will damage healthy cells by oxidation but Jim Humble is using activated CHLORINE DIOXIDE which contains the chlorine dioxide ion which is 2 ions of oxygen with 1 ion of chlorine.. used by the imune system to kill pathogens..This is a list that was started to share experiences using MMS .. There is an hidden agenda on this list and I think Harrah has it close to what is happening..Good ol BIG PHARMA at it again..I agree with full disclosure but it is not a good idea to try to suppress a protocol that works..You should never use unactivated sodium chlorite in the body. Activated chlorine dioxide is a different story RE: [ ] FAQ 2. "How do I know that MMS won't harm me?"MMS produces ClO2 (chlorine dioxide) which is the germ-killing agent. Cl02 cannot harm normal living cells because the oxidizing power of ClO2 is below the level of oxygen at .95 volts. Normal body cells are nicely self-encapsulated and ClO2 is not attracted to normal cells and is incapable of oxidizing normal cells. If you understand this, you will have no basis for avoiding experimentation. Cautiously proceed and observe health improvements yourself. Stop using it if anything doesn't match the writings, articles, and suggested ways to apply MMS to various situations such as spraying skin, tub baths, internal Use, etc.) it does damage healthy cells and it has been discussed at length here and elsewhere. mms can damage the heart, the biofilm of the gut, cause oxidative stress ust to name three. If someone wants to take it fine. We all have reasons why we might take something that is potentially harmful. That is not the issue. Saying it does no harm, cannot do harm is not only not true it is unconscionable and it’s time it stops. Spreading false information like this and then what, someone winds up with serious heart problems like daddybob to name just one (there are more). Do you really want to be the one to spread untruths like this and have someone drop dead from a heart attack? More is accomplished by giving ppl the truth of the matter and letting them make their own decisions based on full disclosure. Join Bishop Jame’s church and be of a mindset to follow religiously what he says. In medicine, it states that you must do double blind clinical trials with proper equipment, and properly trained and educated people… So please, don’t worship the scientific method, it is baloney. But this is not a forum for religious worship…it is a forum for ppl with challenges to get solid answers. With truthful answers they can decide the safest way to proceed when using MMS. I can’t find anywhere in the literature where it alerts to things to watch for heart reaction or biofilm wise. MMS harms healthy tissues…get it? MMS harms healthy tissues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Here we go again! More rantings!Methinks you do protest too much! I'm certainly fed up with over emotional responses to entries to this thread.Time for me to unsubcribe.Bye everyone.Dick Temple From: palulukon@...Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:23:06 -0500Subject: RE: [ ] FAQ 2. "How do I know that MMS won't harm me?" MMS produces ClO2 (chlorine dioxide) which is the germ-killing agent. Cl02 cannot harm normal living cells because the oxidizing power of ClO2 is below the level of oxygen at .95 volts. Normal body cells are nicely self-encapsulated and ClO2 is not attracted to normal cells and is incapable of oxidizing normal cells. If you understand this, you will have no basis for avoiding experimentation. Cautiously proceed and observe health improvements yourself. Stop using it if anything doesn't match the writings, articles, and suggested ways to apply MMS to various situations such as spraying skin, tub baths, internal Use, etc.) it does damage healthy cells and it has been discussed at length here and elsewhere. mms can damage the heart, the biofilm of the gut, cause oxidative stress ust to name three. If someone wants to take it fine. We all have reasons why we might take something that is potentially harmful. That is not the issue. Saying it does no harm, cannot do harm is not only not true it is unconscionable and it’s time it stops. Spreading false information like this and then what, someone winds up with serious heart problems like daddybob to name just one (there are more). Do you really want to be the one to spread untruths like this and have someone drop dead from a heart attack? More is accomplished by giving ppl the truth of the matter and letting them make their own decisions based on full disclosure. Join Bishop Jame’s church and be of a mindset to follow religiously what he says. In medicine, it states that you must do double blind clinical trials with proper equipment, and properly trained and educated people… So please, don’t worship the scientific method, it is baloney. But this is not a forum for religious worship…it is a forum for ppl with challenges to get solid answers. With truthful answers they can decide the safest way to proceed when using MMS. I can’t find anywhere in the literature where it alerts to things to watch for heart reaction or biofilm wise. MMS harms healthy tissues…get it? MMS harms healthy tissues Get a new e-mail account with Hotmail – Free. Sign-up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Here is another protocol you may enjoy..It is direct from the master himself Jim Humble MMS protocol for detoxification: If you are involved in healthcare, I am sure that you are familiar with the need to detoxify the body. You probably know of several methods of detoxification. Our current research shows that MMS is a superior detoxifier. Most of you reading this newsletter are familiar with MMS and the fantastic results that people are having treating hundreds of different diseases, around the world. Let me put those details aside for a moment and tell you about a detoxification protocol that does a masterful job. MMS detoxifies differently than other methods. Other methods rely on washing the poisons out of the system with various liquids and/or bulk producing foods. This not only washes the colon clean, it washes other areas of the body clean as well, whether they need it or not. I am not saying any of these detoxification systems are bad, it's simply that MMS has proven to create a superior detox in comparison. The reason for this is that MMS destroys the poisons in the body and then the body can flush them out naturally. Even heavy metals are oxidized to their basic elements and thus can no longer remain in the body. You may be surprised to know that only the compounds of heavy metals are poisonous, not the metals themselves. Only the compounds can fasten themselves to body tissues and cause problems. When MMS oxidizes these compounds to their basic components, they are simply flushed out of the body. Various poisons are handled in the same way and the cell walls of pathogens are also destroyed in the same way. But don't take my word for it. MMS is cheap. Buy a bottle and follow the instructions below. If the protocol doesn't work, if it doesn't make you feel much better, and if it doesn't detox your body to your satisfaction, I will personally refund your money. If you are not getting the results that you desire, in most cases it is because the directions are not followed consistently. Should you have difficulties, please send me an email and I'll recommend a way of handling your problem. I have answered thousands of emails personally and I will continue to do so for those who are having trouble with a particularly difficult issue. Keep in mind that I do not make any money from the sales of MMS. Why would I give you this information and offer to refund your money if I am not making money from the sales? Because I know that MMS works and I want to see you well and happy. I want to see all of Earth's people using MMS to overcome suffering and disease. Who knows, maybe someday I will make money from it, but certainly not until most of Earth is using it, and that may be beyond my lifetime. The detox protocol: Take a 3-drop dose of MMS internally, every hour, for 8 hours in a row each day for 21 days. This of course means activated MMS doses. If you are using the 50% citric acid solution, you would activate the 3-drop MMS dose with 3 drops of 50% citric acid solution, wait 20 seconds, add your water or juice, and drink it right down. If you are using a 10% citric acid solution, lemon juice, lime juice, or vinegar to activate it, you must use 5 drops for each drop of MMS and wait 3 minutes before adding your water or juice. (That's 15 drops of 10% citric acid, lemon juice, lime juice, or vinegar for every 3 drops of MMS.) No matter which activator you use, you can make up enough MMS liquid to last 8 hours so that you don't have to mix it up each time you take your dosage. Use a one quart jar (or one liter) with a lid that closes tightly. The jar must be dry and clean. Add 24 drops of MMS and 24 drops of 50% citric acid solution to the jar. Wait 20 seconds and then fill the jar with water or juice. Drink 1/8 of the container hourly, for eight hours in a row. If you are using 10% citric acid solution, lemon juice, lime juice, or vinegar, you will add 120 drops of one of those activators to the 24 drops of MMS and wait 3 minutes before adding the water or juice. IMPORTANT: if you are adding juice to your daily dosages, use only juice without added vitamin C or ascorbic acid. Naturally occurring vitamin C in the juice is okay, but not added vitamin C. Pineapple juice, grape juice, and pomegranate juice are very good at masking the taste of MMS, but don't ever use orange juice. ALWAYS keep the lid on the jar when not in use. Try not to be ten minutes ahead of schedule or behind schedule with your hourly doses. Consistency is the key to killing the pathogens and detoxing the body. Eat only small amounts of food between each hourly dose. For instance, if your doses are scheduled on the hour, eat your small meal on the half hour. Be sure to drink plenty of water throughout the day so that you can assist your body in flushing out the dead pathogens. If you experience nausea or diarrhea, you should always reduce the number of drops per dose, but do not stop taking your doses! Those symptoms are a good sign that pathogens are leaving the body rapidly. There is no need to be sick to rid your body of the pathogens, however. Simply slow the process down slightly and increase to the 3-drop dose when you are ready. Read these instructions several times since each line has important instructions. If you still have questions, check my web site jimhumble.biz. As always, if you have a very difficult situation that is not responding to the protocol, email me with your questions and concerns. RE: [ ] FAQ Methinks you do protest too much! I'm certainly fed up with over emotional responses to entries to this thread.I will never consider it over emotional to caution about the risk involved to heart, gut and oxidation. When ppl are already sick and looking for solutions having information that can guide them to best use of mms is a conscionable thing to do. Maybe when enough of us keep saying use with caution then the protocol can be used to the best benefit of one’s wishing to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Methinks you do protest too much! I'm certainly fed up with over emotional responses to entries to this thread. I will never consider it over emotional to caution about the risk involved to heart, gut and oxidation. When ppl are already sick and looking for solutions having information that can guide them to best use of mms is a conscionable thing to do. Maybe when enough of us keep saying use with caution then the protocol can be used to the best benefit of one’s wishing to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Hi Alvin, We are all sincere in what we are saying and that is a given. Our neighbor Bob no longer has bladder cancer, over 2 years, doc verified. That is the good news. When he runs out of mms for even a week within a few days he is bed ridden in his own words very sick. It came as a shock to me when I heard this just recently. He follows Jim’s protocols, always activates. I’m wondering if he has damaged the lining in his gut…I don’t know. As soon as he starts taking the mms again he is fine. This gives me cause for alarm. according to him there are more then 3 million bottles of MMS in use around the world and nobody has been harmed from it. So our moderator Daddybob doesn’t count? Or the ppl on curezone that were harmed? All I’m saying is I want folks to get better. I want them to find the healing they are seeking. Different ppl have different systems, some can tolerate more and some less. Blanket statements of nobody has been harmed simply are not true. If you think I work for big pharma so be it. I wish I could at least get the huge kick back that I hear about J I have a list that I sort of inherited. The original intention of the list was blacksalve for tumor treatments. The woman who started the list said emphatically that blacksalve could not harm healthy tissue. When members reported damage to healthy tissue she said it was because they were not doing it right. These members followed her instructions to a T. Now we know that the salve can indeed harm healthy tissue and for members that still wish to use the protocol we say use with caution. Big pharma at work…hardly. Just concern for list members and their well being. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Rose, as I may have mentioned before to folk, MMS only kills the bad stuff, it does not build up one's immunity system or health.To become healthy AFTER one kills off the disease takes work, time, effort, herbs, best supplements, juices, NO JUNK and so on and so on.Why do you think most folk get sick in the first place? Because they did not take care of themselves and do not know how to take care of themselves in a optimal healthy way. That is the truth.70-80% of Americans are overweight and we think folk know how to care for themselves.Is there even one American who is optimally healthy? O yea, maybe Jack LaLanne in his 90's exercising daily for 2 hours.Something to think about,Ma LiFrom: palulukon <palulukon@...> Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 8:00:36 AMSubject: RE: [ ] FAQ Hi Alvin, We are all sincere in what we are saying and that is a given. Our neighbor Bob no longer has bladder cancer, over 2 years, doc verified. That is the good news. When he runs out of mms for even a week within a few days he is bed ridden in his own words very sick. It came as a shock to me when I heard this just recently. He follows Jim’s protocols, always activates. I’m wondering if he has damaged the lining in his gut…I don’t know. As soon as he starts taking the mms again he is fine. This gives me cause for alarm. according to him there are more then 3 million bottles of MMS in use around the world and nobody has been harmed from it. So our moderator Daddybob doesn’t count? Or the ppl on curezone that were harmed? All I’m saying is I want folks to get better. I want them to find the healing they are seeking. Different ppl have different systems, some can tolerate more and some less. Blanket statements of nobody has been harmed simply are not true. If you think I work for big pharma so be it. I wish I could at least get the huge kick back that I hear about J I have a list that I sort of inherited. The original intention of the list was blacksalve for tumor treatments. The woman who started the list said emphatically that blacksalve could not harm healthy tissue. When members reported damage to healthy tissue she said it was because they were not doing it right. These members followed her instructions to a T. Now we know that the salve can indeed harm healthy tissue and for members that still wish to use the protocol we say use with caution. Big pharma at work…hardly. Just concern for list members and their well being. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Who are you??? And where is your clinical trials and proof that MMS harms your heart, gut, etc. Or are you just another Big Pharma plant in the MMS forum to scare people. Tens of thousands take MMS. How many died of heart attacks by taking it Mr/Mrs. Know it all. RE: [ ] FAQ 2. "How do I know that MMS won't harm me?"MMS produces ClO2 (chlorine dioxide) which is the germ-killing agent. Cl02 cannot harm normal living cells because the oxidizing power of ClO2 is below the level of oxygen at .95 volts. Normal body cells are nicely self-encapsulated and ClO2 is not attracted to normal cells and is incapable of oxidizing normal cells. If you understand this, you will have no basis for avoiding experimentation. Cautiously proceed and observe health improvements yourself. Stop using it if anything doesn't match the writings, articles, and suggested ways to apply MMS to various situations such as spraying skin, tub baths, internal Use, etc.) it does damage healthy cells and it has been discussed at length here and elsewhere. mms can damage the heart, the biofilm of the gut, cause oxidative stress ust to name three. If someone wants to take it fine. We all have reasons why we might take something that is potentially harmful. That is not the issue. Saying it does no harm, cannot do harm is not only not true it is unconscionable and it’s time it stops. Spreading false information like this and then what, someone winds up with serious heart problems like daddybob to name just one (there are more). Do you really want to be the one to spread untruths like this and have someone drop dead from a heart attack? More is accomplished by giving ppl the truth of the matter and letting them make their own decisions based on full disclosure. Join Bishop Jame’s church and be of a mindset to follow religiously what he says. In medicine, it states that you must do double blind clinical trials with proper equipment, and properly trained and educated people… So please, don’t worship the scientific method, it is baloney. But this is not a forum for religious worship…it is a forum for ppl with challenges to get solid answers. With truthful answers they can decide the safest way to proceed when using MMS. I can’t find anywhere in the literature where it alerts to things to watch for heart reaction or biofilm wise. MMS harms healthy tissues…get it? MMS harms healthy tissues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Hi Alvin Rose.I´m about to give my father mms for his cancer so i´m wondering what kind cancer did your friends recover from and in what stage where the cancer when they started with tha mms?Kind regards, Sofia.From: Alvin Rose <ajroseca@...> Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 12:28:49 AMSubject: Re: [ ] FAQ Hi Palulokon These faqs came from Jim Humble directly from his FAQ page according to him there are more then 3 million bottles of MMS in use around the world and nobody has been harmed from it. I have been taking MMS for more then a year with amazing results. and it has done no harm ...if the protocol is followed correctly. I have 4 friends who have fully recovered from Cancer using MMS1 and MMS2..This was verified by the medical system CATSCAN and MRIs although they did not know how it happened... SODIUM CHLORITE will damage healthy cells by oxidation but Jim Humble is using activated CHLORINE DIOXIDE which contains the chlorine dioxide ion which is 2 ions of oxygen with 1 ion of chlorine.. used by the imune system to kill pathogens..This is a list that was started to share experiences using MMS .. There is an hidden agenda on this list and I think Harrah has it close to what is happening..Good ol BIG PHARMA at it again..I agree with full disclosure but it is not a good idea to try to suppress a protocol that works..You should never use unactivated sodium chlorite in the body. Activated chlorine dioxide is a different story RE: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] FAQ 2. "How do I know that MMS won't harm me?"MMS produces ClO2 (chlorine dioxide) which is the germ-killing agent. Cl02 cannot harm normal living cells because the oxidizing power of ClO2 is below the level of oxygen at .95 volts. Normal body cells are nicely self-encapsulated and ClO2 is not attracted to normal cells and is incapable of oxidizing normal cells. If you understand this, you will have no basis for avoiding experimentation. Cautiously proceed and observe health improvements yourself. Stop using it if anything doesn't match the writings, articles, and suggested ways to apply MMS to various situations such as spraying skin, tub baths, internal Use, etc.) it does damage healthy cells and it has been discussed at length here and elsewhere. mms can damage the heart, the biofilm of the gut, cause oxidative stress ust to name three. If someone wants to take it fine. We all have reasons why we might take something that is potentially harmful. That is not the issue. Saying it does no harm, cannot do harm is not only not true it is unconscionable and it’s time it stops. Spreading false information like this and then what, someone winds up with serious heart problems like daddybob to name just one (there are more). Do you really want to be the one to spread untruths like this and have someone drop dead from a heart attack? More is accomplished by giving ppl the truth of the matter and letting them make their own decisions based on full disclosure. Join Bishop Jame’s church and be of a mindset to follow religiously what he says. In medicine, it states that you must do double blind clinical trials with proper equipment, and properly trained and educated people… So please, don’t worship the scientific method, it is baloney. But this is not a forum for religious worship…it is a forum for ppl with challenges to get solid answers. With truthful answers they can decide the safest way to proceed when using MMS. I can’t find anywhere in the literature where it alerts to things to watch for heart reaction or biofilm wise. MMS harms healthy tissues…get it? MMS harms healthy tissues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Hello palulukon Your neighbour bob needs to take nutrition and antioxidants to neutralize the effects of MMS as it is only a pathogen killer..Here we take Liposomal vitamin c as the antioxidant in the morning at breakfast time..(It must be separated by at least 4 hours from MMS) I use the Bradley Protocol from the silver list..Also we take COQ10, for heart inforcement, kelp tablets for thyroid, vitamin b12, vitamin D3, Omega 3, Lysine, Primrose oil capsuls, to enforce nutrition each morning.. to replace depleated nutrition in the body as MMS removes a lot of things..The solution for MMS is to start at one drop and never go beyon 3 drops but take it more often..this is the new protocol.. MMS1 and MMS2 used togeather are extremely effective..We only use 1/4 of a MMS2 capsul to start.and increase it as required using a lot of water in the protocol and the results are very fast.. There are some people who have had bad effects from MMS if they do not follow the instructions.. This is the same with drugs and anything else..If DaddyBob follows the one to 3 drop protocol he will be fine with it..When the MMS protocol started..It was to work up to 15 drops 3 times a day, this was too much MMS and that was why it changed..Probably by Toms suggestion..But it works well now, The solution to this is to be sure you are using CHLORINE DIOXIDE properly activated and not sodium chlorite which can stay in the body for many hours and will oxidize good cells too.. I have some MMS5 and use it but with more citric acid..Great for the ordinary stuff such as colds and Flu The object for this list is to find a MMS protocol which works and does no harm..Big pharma don't like MMS as it will distroy a lot of their income..It is all about MONEY..I don't post much but just watch in the background.. has been a great inspiration to this list and she is to be congratulated but I don't see her post any more here..Something as changed in the last several months..I have printed copies of all interesting emails sent to this list in the last three months (over 200 pages) so I will review them to see what the problems are..and I think I know now..Let's see what happens!! RE: [ ] FAQ Hi Alvin, We are all sincere in what we are saying and that is a given. Our neighbor Bob no longer has bladder cancer, over 2 years, doc verified. That is the good news. When he runs out of mms for even a week within a few days he is bed ridden in his own words very sick. It came as a shock to me when I heard this just recently. He follows Jim’s protocols, always activates. I’m wondering if he has damaged the lining in his gut…I don’t know. As soon as he starts taking the mms again he is fine. This gives me cause for alarm. according to him there are more then 3 million bottles of MMS in use around the world and nobody has been harmed from it. So our moderator Daddybob doesn’t count? Or the ppl on curezone that were harmed? All I’m saying is I want folks to get better. I want them to find the healing they are seeking. Different ppl have different systems, some can tolerate more and some less. Blanket statements of nobody has been harmed simply are not true. If you think I work for big pharma so be it. I wish I could at least get the huge kick back that I hear about J I have a list that I sort of inherited. The original intention of the list was blacksalve for tumor treatments. The woman who started the list said emphatically that blacksalve could not harm healthy tissue. When members reported damage to healthy tissue she said it was because they were not doing it right. These members followed her instructions to a T. Now we know that the salve can indeed harm healthy tissue and for members that still wish to use the protocol we say use with caution. Big pharma at work…hardly. Just concern for list members and their well being. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 In a message dated 7/4/2010 6:02:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ajroseca@... writes: Here is another protocol you may enjoy..It is direct from the master himself Jim Humble MMS protocol for detoxification: If you are involved in healthcare, I am sure that you are familiar with the need to detoxify the body. You probably know of several methods of detoxification. Our current research shows that MMS is a superior detoxifier. Most of you reading this newsletter are familiar with MMS and the fantastic results that people are having treating hundreds of different diseases, around the world. Let me put those details aside for a moment and tell you about a detoxification protocol that does a masterful job. MMS detoxifies differently than other methods. Other methods rely on washing the poisons out of the system with various liquids and/or bulk producing foods. This not only washes the colon clean, it washes other areas of the body clean as well, whether they need it or not. I am not saying any of these detoxification systems are bad, it's simply that MMS has proven to create a superior detox in comparison. The reason for this is that MMS destroys the poisons in the body and then the body can flush them out naturally. Even heavy metals are oxidized to their basic elements and thus can no longer remain in the body. You may be surprised to know that only the compounds of heavy metals are poisonous, not the metals themselves. Only the compounds can fasten themselves to body tissues and cause problems. When MMS oxidizes these compounds to their basic components, they are simply flushed out of the body. Various poisons are handled in the same way and the cell walls of pathogens are also destroyed in the same way. But don't take my word for it. MMS is cheap. Buy a bottle and follow the instructions below. If the protocol doesn't work, if it doesn't make you feel much better, and if it doesn't detox your body to your satisfaction, I will personally refund your money. If you are not getting the results that you desire, in most cases it is because the directions are not followed consistently. Should you have difficulties, please send me an email and I'll recommend a way of handling your problem. I have answered thousands of emails personally and I will continue to do so for those who are having trouble with a particularly difficult issue. Keep in mind that I do not make any money from the sales of MMS. Why would I give you this information and offer to refund your money if I am not making money from the sales? Because I know that MMS works and I want to see you well and happy. I want to see all of Earth's people using MMS to overcome suffering and disease. Who knows, maybe someday I will make money from it, but certainly not until most of Earth is using it, and that may be beyond my lifetime. The detox protocol: Take a 3-drop dose of MMS internally, every hour, for 8 hours in a row each day for 21 days. This of course means activated MMS doses. If you are using the 50% citric acid solution, you would activate the 3-drop MMS dose with 3 drops of 50% citric acid solution, wait 20 seconds, add your water or juice, and drink it right down. If you are using a 10% citric acid solution, lemon juice, lime juice, or vinegar to activate it, you must use 5 drops for each drop of MMS and wait 3 minutes before adding your water or juice. (That's 15 drops of 10% citric acid, lemon juice, lime juice, or vinegar for every 3 drops of MMS.) No matter which activator you use, you can make up enough MMS liquid to last 8 hours so that you don't have to mix it up each time you take your dosage. Use a one quart jar (or one liter) with a lid that closes tightly. The jar must be dry and clean. Add 24 drops of MMS and 24 drops of 50% citric acid solution to the jar. Wait 20 seconds and then fill the jar with water or juice. Drink 1/8 of the container hourly, for eight hours in a row. If you are using 10% citric acid solution, lemon juice, lime juice, or vinegar, you will add 120 drops of one of those activators to the 24 drops of MMS and wait 3 minutes before adding the water or juice. IMPORTANT: if you are adding juice to your daily dosages, use only juice without added vitamin C or ascorbic acid. Naturally occurring vitamin C in the juice is okay, but not added vitamin C. Pineapple juice, grape juice, and pomegranate juice are very good at masking the taste of MMS, but don't ever use orange juice. ALWAYS keep the lid on the jar when not in use. Try not to be ten minutes ahead of schedule or behind schedule with your hourly doses. Consistency is the key to killing the pathogens and detoxing the body. Eat only small amounts of food between each hourly dose. For instance, if your doses are scheduled on the hour, eat your small meal on the half hour. Be sure to drink plenty of water throughout the day so that you can assist your body in flushing out the dead pathogens. If you experience nausea or diarrhea, you should always reduce the number of drops per dose, but do not stop taking your doses! Those symptoms are a good sign that pathogens are leaving the body rapidly. There is no need to be sick to rid your body of the pathogens, however. Simply slow the process down slightly and increase to the 3-drop dose when you are ready. Read these instructions several times since each line has important instructions. If you still have questions, check my web site jimhumble.biz. As always, if you have a very difficult situation that is not responding to the protocol, email me with your questions and concerns. RE: [ ] FAQ Methinks you do protest too much! I'm certainly fed up with over emotional responses to entries to this thread.I will never consider it over emotional to caution about the risk involved to heart, gut and oxidation. When ppl are already sick and looking for solutions having information that can guide them to best use of mms is a conscionable thing to do. Maybe when enough of us keep saying use with caution then the protocol can be used to the best benefit of one’s wishing to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Hello Alvin, Either your terminology is off, or your chemistry is off. What is " CHLORINE DIOXIDE properly activated? " and How does sodium chlorite oxidize anything? The idea is to find out if these chemicals can provide benefit that outweighs the adverse effects, and to determine if using these chemicals are the only way to obtain those benefits. I think that the best way to answer these questions is to try to understand the chemistry involved with these chemicals. Once the chemistry is understood, to some extent, the best way to use them can be explored. For example, vitamin C is an antioxidant. The MMS protocol instructs people to only take vitamin C 4 hours after taking MMS. Yet the new protocol calls for taking MMS every 2 hours that you are awake during the day. Obviously there is a conflict here, but is this really the best way to take it? One way to gain perspective on this is to look what has been done in the past. Hydrogen peroxide and ozone are also oxidative therapies, and they have been in use a lot longer than activated sodium chlorite. In addition, " stabilized oxygen " has been in use for 70 some years, but no one understood the chemistry of how it worked and they went down the wrong path while trying to evaluate. Still there are many reports of how it is helped people. I think that people want to stay in good health. When they fall ill, they want to regain their health with a minimum of adverse effects. If they have been ill for an extended period of time, they are willing to endure a greater amount of adverse effects with the hope of restoring health. However the goal remains the same... living in good health. Tom --- In , " Alvin Rose " <ajroseca@...> wrote: > > Hello palulukon > Your neighbour bob needs to take nutrition and antioxidants to neutralize the effects of MMS > as it is only a pathogen killer..Here we take Liposomal vitamin c as the antioxidant in the morning > at breakfast time..(It must be separated by at least 4 hours from MMS) I use the Bradley > Protocol from the silver list..Also we take COQ10, for heart inforcement, kelp tablets for thyroid, > vitamin b12, vitamin D3, Omega 3, Lysine, Primrose oil capsuls, to enforce nutrition each morning.. > to replace depleated nutrition in the body as MMS removes a lot of things..The solution for MMS > is to start at one drop and never go beyon 3 drops but take it more often..this is the new protocol.. > MMS1 and MMS2 used togeather are extremely effective..We only use 1/4 of a MMS2 capsul to > start.and increase it as required using a lot of water in the protocol and the results are very fast.. > There are some people who have had bad effects from MMS if they do not follow the instructions.. > This is the same with drugs and anything else..If DaddyBob follows the one to 3 drop protocol he will be fine > with it..When the MMS protocol started..It was to work up to 15 drops 3 times a day, this was too much MMS > and that was why it changed..Probably by Toms suggestion..But it works well now, > The solution to this is to be sure you are using CHLORINE DIOXIDE properly activated and not sodium chlorite > which can stay in the body for many hours and will oxidize good cells too.. I have some MMS5 > and use it but with more citric acid..Great for the ordinary stuff such as colds and Flu > The object for this list is to find a MMS protocol which works and does no harm..Big pharma > don't like MMS as it will distroy a lot of their income..It is all about MONEY..I don't > post much but just watch in the background.. has been a great inspiration to this list and she > is to be congratulated but I don't see her post any more here..Something as changed in the last > several months..I have printed copies of all interesting emails sent to this list in the last three months (over 200 pages) > so I will review them to see what the problems are..and I think I know now..Let's see what happens!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Afternoon Alvin Rose, Thanks so much for your detailed protocols. We have tried to tell Bob that the protocols have changed but he won’t listen. I gave him his first bottle of mms and the dvd (friend gave it to me, I never watched). Bob also went to the library and looked up Jim’s then protocols. Bob did 15 drops 2x’s a day and it did eradicate his cancer. He has cut back to every other day. The only supplements he takes because we got them for him, arm twisting J, is angstrom mag, trace minerals and msm. I have suggested vit c many times from the begining…now I give up. He’s got it in his head that mms can’t harm the body and that’s it. As far as taking all the other supplements you so kindly recommended…you have to understand the framework we have in this rural area, One of Bob’s bright ideas to help with his cancer was to stop drinking several gallons, yes, gallons, of kool aid daily *rolls eyes*. Once he was cancer free he took to eating several homemade pies daily…yes, several, one for breakfast, one for lunch, one for dinner…and maybe late night ‘snack’. He got really sick again and decided that maybe all sugar was not such a good idea. If I were to say COQ10, for heart enforcement, kelp tablets for thyroid,vitamin b12, vitamin D3, Omega 3, Lysine, Primrose oil capsules That would go so far over his head he would think I was talking Greek. That’s my problem with saying can’t do any harm Alvin. It’s no different than the original list owner of my group saying blacksalve can never damage healthy tissue. Blacksalve does not always damage healthy tissue but is certainly can. In the beginning I too believed what Jim said, mms cannot do any harm. I really really believed this and that is what I told Bob and anyone else who asked. It is my error that I did not look past the blanket statements, did not read Jim’s books or other musings which would have started my red flag radar. I even had a chemist friend who sells, has sold for 20 years, 5% and 28% ‘mms’ and also told me it can never do any harm. Take it daily for the rest of your life and you’ll never get sick were his words to me. well, I never intended to take it daily but we have a sanctuary for special needs beast and I was looking for something that would be easy to give to the population in a general sense to keep at bay certain conditions. Now I would only use it for an outbreak of say kennel cough or uri, body spray for certain skin conditions etc. Even though you stress it must always be activated one of our foster mom list members (fosters health challenged dogs) used the inactivated mms protocol that Tom recommended, forget what it is, miniscule amount in gallon of water, something like 1/8 teaspoon to gallon, and she noticed an overnight improvement in some fosters. Tom’s recommendation was after about a week and the noticed improvement to then cut that dosage in half and it could be continued for an extended period of time. I am of the belief presently that this protocol does have benefits because of a few cases where we have seen the results. The principle behind this protocol is at such a reduced dosage the body is stimulated to make new red blood cells and the immune system is ‘jump started’ the hormesis principle. Within several days on the protocol Connie noticed even more positive changes in the pooches. Considering how fast things can work in pooches we get to see results that would take much longer in a human being. When I get it clear in my head how I want to implement it I’ll do that protocol on a pulsating basis for some of our more challenged residents or as a once in awhile tonic. I know that mms can be extremely effective. Tom said bladder cancer responds extremely well to oxidization. Do I think it can ‘cure’ everything, well, I do not believe that. I am not debating that mms does work. My concerns are that not everyone taking this is as savvy as some (but not all) list members here or on other alternative protocols forums. Bob was so thrilled with his results on mms that the word has spread far and wide thru the rural population, everyone believes it can never do any damage. These are folks that think dream whip is whipped cream, margarine is a health food and hot dogs are ‘just fine’. So I am an advocate for moderation that’s all. We have a member on our salve list that read about mms on Jim’s site and kept pestering us if it was safe to give to a pregnant bitch. She kept thinking mms was basically salt. and I kept telling her it was not ‘just salt’ and that she should not be using it if she did not understand what it was and how to use it. Could never even get clear why she wanted to give it to the pregnant bitch in the first place. But see, this member read Jim’s site and the can do no harm claim. Hopefully and I got it thru her head to just not use mms. As far as not posting…dunno. She is the moderator on my forum…can’t speak highly enough of and her informative post, her never ending desire to be of assistance. I am also so pleased to call her good friend. She is the one who brought Tom to our attention. When I read the chemistry of mms I took down all references to Jim’s protocols and made a file of his recommendations. Our list is moving at warp speed in new directions anyway so mms is really not something we banter about much anymore. Our latest exploration is the information of Bruce Lipton. This gets into the quantum physics of disease and it takes healing to a new level. I am watching a metamorphous on many of the alternative forums. Whereas before we just kind of jumped in and thought the protocol du jour was harmless now we are all moving in the direction of ‘moderation is the key’ and that for every substance we do chose to explore there are many sides to the issue. Actually it was Carole, our resident nautropath in Au, who kept hammering at us for more specific information and that maybe mms should be used with caution. I gave her directions to this list to ask her questions. It then becomes each of our responsibilities to explore the data to the fullest and be constantly alert to changes in how we use the protocols as new information surfaces. The downside is not everyone on the forums is at that level of understanding and will take a few bits of information, start a protocol and then wind up with results they had not intended. We had such an experience last week. A new member came on in a panic. Her vet had injected neoplasene on a tumor on her horse’s third eyelid. The horse was having some very serious reactions. She wanted answers from us that we could not give bc it is impossible to predict just what will happen using neo that close to an eye. It would not have been my choice personally before trying protocols that are less invasive. Alternative protocols are effective, whether it be oleander for cancer, radiation hormesis, mms, colloidal silver, or any of the myriad of protocols that are being explored. But, but…they have to be used with caution because no two situations are identical, no two body chemistries are identical. We are learning that we cannot say ‘will never do harm’ because that is imho not true. We serve those that are searching for answers to be better informed and list the contraindications as well as the benefits. It’s like Ma Li so apply put it… as I may have mentioned before to folk, MMS only kills the bad stuff, it does not build up one's immunity system or health. To become healthy AFTER one kills off the disease takes work, time, effort, herbs, best supplements, juices, NO JUNK and so on and so on. Why do you think most folk get sick in the first place? Because they did not take care of themselves and do not know how to take care of themselves in a optimal healthy way. That is the truth. 70-80% of Americans are overweight and we think folk know how to care for themselves. Is there even one American who is optimally healthy? O yea, maybe Jack LaLanne in his 90's exercising daily for 2 hours. Something to think about, if this looks like I work for big pharma so be it. Just wish I could collect a big check because I have a boat payment due J rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Hi Tom Neither my terminology or chemistry is off at all..Chlorine dioxide a gas is made from sodium chlorite by adding citric acid and activated for three minutes or more. chlorine dioxide CLO2 which is the clo2 molecule at the atomic level contains 2 ions of oxygen and one ion of chlorine..The immune system uses clo2 to distroy pathogens in the blood stream...All matter is constructed of atoms..atoms are combined in various ways to create molecules. Everything you see is constructed of molecules including disease causing pathogens..To distroy a pathogen you must destroy some of the molecules..Atoms are held togeather to make up molecules by electron shells..we can destroy the molecule by removing the electron shell..This is accomplished in nature or chemistry by drawing the electron shell off of the molecule..It is called oxidation..It is done with one of a series of chemicals known as oxidizers..Oxidizers distroy other compounds and in the process are themself changed..The electrical charge of attraction of the oxidizer molecule is what draws the electron shell away.. Chlorine dioxide has a oxidation of 0.95 volts..much lower then other oxidizers used in the body and can not attack body cells..it is selective for pathogens..It is the most effective killer of pathogens known to man.. While chlorine dioxide is one of the weakest oxidizers, it has the highest capacity of all oxidizers for things it can oxidize One molecule can accept 5 electrons which is 2.07 times more then ozone. Chlorine dioxide exists in the human body for only a few hours and then deteriorates into plain old table salt and neutral molecules of oxygen..there is nothing left in the body to build up or cause side effects..Chlorine oxidation is different..it oxidizes by combination..This is the chemistry of CL02 Vitamin c is an antioxidant which is used to provide oxidative stress relief along with other nutritional supplements. We take nutrition in the morning and use MMS in the evening every two hours..so that they will not cancel each other out..Tom I have seen many recoverys of the most serious diseases verified by catscans and MRIs..These were people who were terminal but now have a new life...I dont understand your Hatred for Jim Humble as he has done a lot for the lives of many people..You have posted more then 1363 messages on CureZone ..many of which have been to put down Jim Humble..You were accused of working for Big PHarma which you have not said was not true.. Why don't you try to work with the MMS people to improve the protocol..I think you have an hidden agenda but I do not know what it is..It will show itself in time..If I am wrong I will appologize without delay..I am on a number of lists you are on including the Silver list, I even see you on Euromed..It is rare that I post as I do not like arguments and fights they achieve nothing..Get rid of your hate for jim humble and everything will be good..I hope you listen to my suggestions..I know a lot about other protocols as I have been doing research since 1998 From: silverfox_science Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 16:25 Subject: [ ] Re: FAQ Hello Alvin,Either your terminology is off, or your chemistry is off.What is "CHLORINE DIOXIDE properly activated?" andHow does sodium chlorite oxidize anything?The idea is to find out if these chemicals can provide benefit that outweighs the adverse effects, and to determine if using these chemicals are the only way to obtain those benefits.I think that the best way to answer these questions is to try to understand the chemistry involved with these chemicals. Once the chemistry is understood, to some extent, the best way to use them can be explored.For example, vitamin C is an antioxidant. The MMS protocol instructs people to only take vitamin C 4 hours after taking MMS. Yet the new protocol calls for taking MMS every 2 hours that you are awake during the day. Obviously there is a conflict here, but is this really the best way to take it?One way to gain perspective on this is to look what has been done in the past. Hydrogen peroxide and ozone are also oxidative therapies, and they have been in use a lot longer than activated sodium chlorite. In addition, "stabilized oxygen" has been in use for 70 some years, but no one understood the chemistry of how it worked and they went down the wrong path while trying to evaluate. Still there are many reports of how it is helped people.I think that people want to stay in good health. When they fall ill, they want to regain their health with a minimum of adverse effects. If they have been ill for an extended period of time, they are willing to endure a greater amount of adverse effects with the hope of restoring health. However the goal remains the same... living in good health.Tom>> Hello palulukon> Your neighbour bob needs to take nutrition and antioxidants to neutralize the effects of MMS> as it is only a pathogen killer..Here we take Liposomal vitamin c as the antioxidant in the morning> at breakfast time..(It must be separated by at least 4 hours from MMS) I use the Bradley> Protocol from the silver list..Also we take COQ10, for heart inforcement, kelp tablets for thyroid,> vitamin b12, vitamin D3, Omega 3, Lysine, Primrose oil capsuls, to enforce nutrition each morning..> to replace depleated nutrition in the body as MMS removes a lot of things..The solution for MMS> is to start at one drop and never go beyon 3 drops but take it more often..this is the new protocol..> MMS1 and MMS2 used togeather are extremely effective..We only use 1/4 of a MMS2 capsul to > start.and increase it as required using a lot of water in the protocol and the results are very fast..> There are some people who have had bad effects from MMS if they do not follow the instructions..> This is the same with drugs and anything else..If DaddyBob follows the one to 3 drop protocol he will be fine> with it..When the MMS protocol started..It was to work up to 15 drops 3 times a day, this was too much MMS> and that was why it changed..Probably by Toms suggestion..But it works well now,> The solution to this is to be sure you are using CHLORINE DIOXIDE properly activated and not sodium chlorite> which can stay in the body for many hours and will oxidize good cells too.. I have some MMS5> and use it but with more citric acid..Great for the ordinary stuff such as colds and Flu> The object for this list is to find a MMS protocol which works and does no harm..Big pharma> don't like MMS as it will distroy a lot of their income..It is all about MONEY..I don't> post much but just watch in the background.. has been a great inspiration to this list and she> is to be congratulated but I don't see her post any more here..Something as changed in the last> several months..I have printed copies of all interesting emails sent to this list in the last three months (over 200 pages)> so I will review them to see what the problems are..and I think I know now..Let's see what happens!!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Alvin: I agree with your assesment. I am a little confused as to the best MMS protocol to use for systemic candidiasis. Is MMS5 the latest protocol?? Please point me in the right direction as I will try MMS to help eradicate the candida yeast. Thanks [ ] Re: FAQ Hello Alvin,Either your terminology is off, or your chemistry is off.What is "CHLORINE DIOXIDE properly activated?" andHow does sodium chlorite oxidize anything?The idea is to find out if these chemicals can provide benefit that outweighs the adverse effects, and to determine if using these chemicals are the only way to obtain those benefits.I think that the best way to answer these questions is to try to understand the chemistry involved with these chemicals. Once the chemistry is understood, to some extent, the best way to use them can be explored.For example, vitamin C is an antioxidant. The MMS protocol instructs people to only take vitamin C 4 hours after taking MMS. Yet the new protocol calls for taking MMS every 2 hours that you are awake during the day. Obviously there is a conflict here, but is this really the best way to take it?One way to gain perspective on this is to look what has been done in the past. Hydrogen peroxide and ozone are also oxidative therapies, and they have been in use a lot longer than activated sodium chlorite. In addition, "stabilized oxygen" has been in use for 70 some years, but no one understood the chemistry of how it worked and they went down the wrong path while trying to evaluate. Still there are many reports of how it is helped people.I think that people want to stay in good health. When they fall ill, they want to regain their health with a minimum of adverse effects. If they have been ill for an extended period of time, they are willing to endure a greater amount of adverse effects with the hope of restoring health. However the goal remains the same... living in good health.Tom>> Hello palulukon> Your neighbour bob needs to take nutrition and antioxidants to neutralize the effects of MMS> as it is only a pathogen killer..Here we take Liposomal vitamin c as the antioxidant in the morning> at breakfast time..(It must be separated by at least 4 hours from MMS) I use the Bradley> Protocol from the silver list..Also we take COQ10, for heart inforcement, kelp tablets for thyroid,> vitamin b12, vitamin D3, Omega 3, Lysine, Primrose oil capsuls, to enforce nutrition each morning..> to replace depleated nutrition in the body as MMS removes a lot of things..The solution for MMS> is to start at one drop and never go beyon 3 drops but take it more often..this is the new protocol..> MMS1 and MMS2 used togeather are extremely effective..We only use 1/4 of a MMS2 capsul to > start.and increase it as required using a lot of water in the protocol and the results are very fast..> There are some people who have had bad effects from MMS if they do not follow the instructions..> This is the same with drugs and anything else..If DaddyBob follows the one to 3 drop protocol he will be fine> with it..When the MMS protocol started..It was to work up to 15 drops 3 times a day, this was too much MMS> and that was why it changed..Probably by Toms suggestion..But it works well now,> The solution to this is to be sure you are using CHLORINE DIOXIDE properly activated and not sodium chlorite> which can stay in the body for many hours and will oxidize good cells too.. I have some MMS5> and use it but with more citric acid..Great for the ordinary stuff such as colds and Flu> The object for this list is to find a MMS protocol which works and does no harm..Big pharma> don't like MMS as it will distroy a lot of their income..It is all about MONEY..I don't> post much but just watch in the background.. has been a great inspiration to this list and she> is to be congratulated but I don't see her post any more here..Something as changed in the last> several months..I have printed copies of all interesting emails sent to this list in the last three months (over 200 pages)> so I will review them to see what the problems are..and I think I know now..Let's see what happens!!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Hello Alvin, That explains it. Your chemistry is off. Chlorine dioxide is a gas. Period. Sodium chlorite is a stable form of chlorine dioxide. It has an alkaline PH and it releases chlorine dioxide as its PH is lowered. The immune system can't utilize chlorine dioxide because chlorine dioxide doesn't exist for any length of time inside the body. It is too unstable and there are too may organic materials in the body that it reacts with. Industry would love to have a way to determine how much chlorine dioxide exposure someone has had. However, since chlorine dioxide doesn't exist inside the body, they look at oxidative damage and chlorite concentration. The breakdown of chlorine dioxide to chlorite does have an oxidation potential of 0.95 volts, and it involves the chlorine dioxide gas loosing 1 electron and forming chlorite. Chlorite is what has the half life of some 40 hours inside the body, and is found in all the organs in the body including the brain. Keep in mind that it still has 4 electrons to oxidize with. Chlorite causes oxidative stress to the organs in the body, and to the blood. That is why there are closely regulated limits on the amount of chlorite left in water after purification. The chlorite is formed when the chlorine dioxide breaks down. The extended half life allows for plenty of time to oxidize whatever it comes into contact with inside the body. This is also why the Canadian government came down hard on people supplying sodium chlorite for water purification. The directions they provided resulted in chlorite concentrations in excess of what is allowed and what is considered safe. As the chlorite breaks down, some chlorate is formed and also some chloride, but about 70% of the chlorine dioxide leaves the body through urine as chlorite. Chlorite is a lot different from common table salt. Chlorine dioxide is selective in that it does not chlorinate. Both chlorine and chlorine dioxide oxidize, but chlorine also combines with what it is oxidizing. Chlorine dioxide is more selective in that it does not combine. This has nothing to do with what it oxidizes. Take a whiff of chlorine dioxide gas and you will find that it oxidizes the tissues of the lungs. It does not take a high concentration to do this either. You run the possibility of irritating the lungs every time you mix up a dose of MMS. If chlorine dioxide was not harmful to the body, the animal studies would show no adverse effects. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Chlorine dioxide was studied in humans in one study and no adverse effects were observed. The concentration used was 5 PPM and the amount consumed was 500 ml per day for 13 weeks. If the MMS protocol limited the persons exposure to 5 PPM, and limited the length of time to 13 weeks of exposure, I would not be having this discussion. Unfortunately a 3 drop dose of MMS has a concentration of a little over 300 PPM. Jim Humble says that chlorine dioxide has been well studied and even tested in humans. This is correct, they did test it at 5 PPM. He goes on to say that since it was safely tested, it is safe to use MMS. What he leaves out is that 5 PPM was found to be safe, but no humans looked at 300 PPM every hour for 8 hours a day. Just because it is safe at 5 PPM does not mean that it is safe at 300 PPM. Jim Humble claims he has run thousands of tests. Were are the tests showing that he duplicated the human study using 300 PPM and there were no signs of oxidative stress or other adverse effects? Dr. Hesselink address this. He mentions that it appears that oxidative stress does not occur if the solution is ingested 1 - 3 times a week. Who do you think has a better understanding of how things react inside the body... the inventor who made the discovery, or a medical doctor who believes in it and wants to document the proper and safe use of it? Jim Humble instructs people to add various juices to the mix to kill the taste. Dr. Hesselink is amazed that the dose with juice in it has any effect at all. Why? Because chlorine dioxide reacts with organic material and the colloids in the juice use up the chlorine dioxide. The taste is more tolerable because the amount of chlorine dioxide has been reduced. Wouldn't it make more sense just to reduce the dose amount and use water? Jim Humble has now finally suggested reducing the dose amount, but he hasn't stopped the juice recommendation. While this indicates some progress, there are still people taking MMS in an ineffective manor. Jim Humble claims that chlorine dioxide is absorbed into the blood stream. Where is the test data that supports this? Since there are no instruments available that can measure chlorine dioxide levels in the blood, and science indicates that chlorine dioxide is broken down inside the body in seconds to minutes, how did he come up with this idea? It sounds good on the surface, but when you dig a little deeper it doesn't hold up. You say that I must hate Jim Humble. I say that I love him enough to hold him accountable for his claims. I don't put Jim Humble down. I encourage people to review the safety of using these chemicals and help them to understand what they are dealing with. Enough people have tried MMS to give us a good idea that it is not lethal, but I don't think we can say that it is safe. The medical professionals indicate that when properly used chemo and radiation therapies are safe. While I have witnessed a few remarkable successes involving sodium chlorite, I have also witnessed several successes of people undergoing surgery, chemo, and radiation. I have also witnessed the failure of sodium chlorite and surgery and chemo and radiation to work. According to Jim Humble, MMS will work against everything every time. However, even he ended up in the hospital. Fortunately he recovered. I happen to know that outside the body chlorine dioxide works 100% of the time. Why doesn't it work inside the body? The key to the success of chlorine dioxide is to have a concentration of it in contact with the pathogen for a specific period of time. Almost all of the harmful pathogens have been tested and the amount of chlorine dioxide needed to eliminate them has been tested and verified. However, when it comes to the body, there is too much organic material in the body. Chlorine dioxide reacts with this organic material and is quickly used up. That brings us full circle. There is no doubt that something works, but what is that something, and is it really safe? I would love to be able to tell you what a safe and effective protocol would be. However, all of the studies on safety have been done using chlorine dioxide technology, and MMS involves activated sodium chlorite technology. There are no studies looking at the safety of ingesting chlorous acid. I have already indicated that the MMS activation is not as effective as the activation ratio used in industry. However, there are some disinfecting properties associated with citric acid. Perhaps it is the excess citric acid that is helping people... If you go back and review what I have posted, you will find that in general I am supportive of Jim Humble. I just don't tolerate his claims that are contrary to science and testing, and I still haven't been able to verify his claims regarding his initial trips to Africa. Since I haven't been able to verify Jim Humbles claims, I have looked elsewhere. The medical professionals that use MMS state that it seems to benefit in some cases and that they use it in conjunction with other oxidative therapies. This is a lot different from Jim Humbles claim that it always works all of the time. The alternate cancer people also don't seem to enjoy the same results that Jim Humble claims. The various people on the various forums also don't seem to experience the same results that Jim Humble claims. There are some successes, but there are a lot of others that are not enjoying the instant, or near instant, benefit of taking a dose of MMS. This makes perfect sense once you understand the science behind chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid. The key is in delivering a concentration that is strong enough to kill the pathogen, and holding it there for the correct amount of time. There are many times when simply drinking something doesn't get the chlorous acid to where the pathogen is. I would love to work with more people on discovering more effective protocols. However, many people, including yourself, adopt what Jim Humble claims and ignore what science proves. Before progress can be made, the science and chemistry needs to be understood. Here is a test you can do to get you started. Mix up a 10 drop dose of MMS and activate it according to the MMS protocol. Have a clean empty glass handy. Take a mouthful of the dose into your mouth and swish it around in your mouth for 15 - 20 seconds, then spit it out into the other glass. Now have someone else observe if there is any chlorine dioxide odor of color to the solution you spit out. Where did all the chlorine dioxide go? If a very strong dose doesn't last 15 seconds in your mouth, how does chlorine dioxide get into the blood stream? Tom --- In , " Alvin Rose " <ajroseca@...> wrote: > > Hi Tom > Neither my terminology or chemistry is off at all..Chlorine dioxide a gas is made > from sodium chlorite by adding citric acid and activated for three minutes or more. > chlorine dioxide CLO2 which is the clo2 molecule at the atomic level contains 2 ions of > oxygen and one ion of chlorine..The immune system uses clo2 to distroy pathogens in the blood > stream...All matter is constructed of atoms..atoms are combined in various ways to create molecules. > Everything you see is constructed of molecules including disease causing pathogens..To distroy a pathogen > you must destroy some of the molecules..Atoms are held togeather to make up molecules by electron > shells..we can destroy the molecule by removing the electron shell..This is accomplished in nature or chemistry > by drawing the electron shell off of the molecule..It is called oxidation..It is done with one of a series of chemicals > known as oxidizers..Oxidizers distroy other compounds and in the process are themself changed..The electrical > charge of attraction of the oxidizer molecule is what draws the electron shell away.. > Chlorine dioxide has a oxidation of 0.95 volts..much lower then other oxidizers used in the body and can not attack > body cells..it is selective for pathogens..It is the most effective killer of pathogens known to man.. > While chlorine dioxide is one of the weakest oxidizers, it has the highest capacity of all oxidizers for things it can oxidize > One molecule can accept 5 electrons which is 2.07 times more then ozone. > Chlorine dioxide exists in the human body for only a few hours and then deteriorates into plain old table salt > and neutral molecules of oxygen..there is nothing left in the body to build up or cause side effects..Chlorine oxidation > is different..it oxidizes by combination..This is the chemistry of CL02 > Vitamin c is an antioxidant which is used to provide oxidative stress relief along with other nutritional supplements. > We take nutrition in the morning and use MMS in the evening every two hours..so that they will not cancel each other > out..Tom I have seen many recoverys of the most serious diseases verified by catscans and MRIs..These were people > who were terminal but now have a new life...I dont understand your Hatred for Jim Humble as he has done a lot for > the lives of many people..You have posted more then 1363 messages on CureZone ...many of which have been to > put down Jim Humble..You were accused of working for Big PHarma which you have not said was not true.. > Why don't you try to work with the MMS people to improve the protocol..I think you have an hidden agenda but I do not > know what it is..It will show itself in time..If I am wrong I will appologize without delay..I am on a number of lists you are on > including the Silver list, I even see you on Euromed..It is rare that I post as I do not like arguments and fights > they achieve nothing..Get rid of your hate for jim humble and everything will be good..I hope you listen to > my suggestions..I know a lot about other protocols as I have been doing research since 1998 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Hello , I can help you with part of that... 5% sodium chlorite is a much safer to handle concentration than 22.4%. You can do everything with 5% that you can do with 22.4% by simply adjusting the amounts used. As far as candida goes, on hard surfaces chlorine dioxide provides a 99.99999% kill of candida albincans when a concentration of 100 PPM chlorine dioxide is applied for 60 seconds. This gives a CT of 100. Tom > > Alvin: I agree with your assesment. I am a little confused as to the best MMS protocol to use for systemic candidiasis. Is MMS5 the latest protocol?? Please point me in the right direction as I will try MMS to help eradicate the candida yeast. > Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Hi MMS5 is a 5% solution of sodium chlorite which was devised by Tom and on this list. It is much weaker then Jim Humbles MMS1 which is 22.4% sodium chlorite..You can make 4 bottles of MMS5 from one 4 oz of MMS1..I have tested MMS5 and it has a much milder effect at the same drop level but I use more drops of citric acid..It takes a while to eliminate the candida albicon virus in the body but it can be done..Candida albicon feeds on sugar and sweet foods so you should eliminate all sweets from your diet..I would use MMS! but stay at a max of 3 drops but taken each two hours apart as per jim humbles instructions...I am very confused with this thing between Tom and Jim Humble.. There are over three million Bottles of MMS1 in use in 47 countrys around the world and no one seems to be harmed by it..There are 900,000 people die from Pharmaceutical drug damage each year according to the US government so MMS is a vast improvement..Tom makes some good points and he deserves to be heard too The main point is to find a protocol that works and a procedure that does no harm..I am waiting for a reply from Jim Humble but that takes a while as he is on the move with some healing programs.. Jim Humble makes no money from MMS and is a great humanitarian..seems to be very sincere but not perfect. There may be some protocol changes required but this is what it is all about..It will all come out later as the truth ALWAYS prevails.. [ ] Re: FAQ Hello Alvin,Either your terminology is off, or your chemistry is off.What is "CHLORINE DIOXIDE properly activated?" andHow does sodium chlorite oxidize anything?The idea is to find out if these chemicals can provide benefit that outweighs the adverse effects, and to determine if using these chemicals are the only way to obtain those benefits.I think that the best way to answer these questions is to try to understand the chemistry involved with these chemicals. Once the chemistry is understood, to some extent, the best way to use them can be explored.For example, vitamin C is an antioxidant. The MMS protocol instructs people to only take vitamin C 4 hours after taking MMS. Yet the new protocol calls for taking MMS every 2 hours that you are awake during the day. Obviously there is a conflict here, but is this really the best way to take it?One way to gain perspective on this is to look what has been done in the past. Hydrogen peroxide and ozone are also oxidative therapies, and they have been in use a lot longer than activated sodium chlorite. In addition, "stabilized oxygen" has been in use for 70 some years, but no one understood the chemistry of how it worked and they went down the wrong path while trying to evaluate. Still there are many reports of how it is helped people.I think that people want to stay in good health. When they fall ill, they want to regain their health with a minimum of adverse effects. If they have been ill for an extended period of time, they are willing to endure a greater amount of adverse effects with the hope of restoring health. However the goal remains the same... living in good health.Tom>> Hello palulukon> Your neighbour bob needs to take nutrition and antioxidants to neutralize the effects of MMS> as it is only a pathogen killer..Here we take Liposomal vitamin c as the antioxidant in the morning> at breakfast time..(It must be separated by at least 4 hours from MMS) I use the Bradley> Protocol from the silver list..Also we take COQ10, for heart inforcement, kelp tablets for thyroid,> vitamin b12, vitamin D3, Omega 3, Lysine, Primrose oil capsuls, to enforce nutrition each morning..> to replace depleated nutrition in the body as MMS removes a lot of things..The solution for MMS> is to start at one drop and never go beyon 3 drops but take it more often..this is the new protocol..> MMS1 and MMS2 used togeather are extremely effective..We only use 1/4 of a MMS2 capsul to > start.and increase it as required using a lot of water in the protocol and the results are very fast..> There are some people who have had bad effects from MMS if they do not follow the instructions..> This is the same with drugs and anything else..If DaddyBob follows the one to 3 drop protocol he will be fine> with it..When the MMS protocol started..It was to work up to 15 drops 3 times a day, this was too much MMS> and that was why it changed..Probably by Toms suggestion..But it works well now,> The solution to this is to be sure you are using CHLORINE DIOXIDE properly activated and not sodium chlorite> which can stay in the body for many hours and will oxidize good cells too.. I have some MMS5> and use it but with more citric acid..Great for the ordinary stuff such as colds and Flu> The object for this list is to find a MMS protocol which works and does no harm..Big pharma> don't like MMS as it will distroy a lot of their income..It is all about MONEY..I don't> post much but just watch in the background.. has been a great inspiration to this list and she> is to be congratulated but I don't see her post any more here..Something as changed in the last> several months..I have printed copies of all interesting emails sent to this list in the last three months (over 200 pages)> so I will review them to see what the problems are..and I think I know now..Let's see what happens!!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 There are over three million Bottles of MMS1 in use in 47 countrys around the world and no one seems to be harmed by it.. these kinds of statements are not verifiable. First, who says over three million and how is that substantiated second…who has collected the data on the 3 million bottles Alvin, I know you think the world of Jim…keep doing so. If it makes you feel good to think of him in this way you should always follow what feels good to you. I personally do believe that Jim does make a profit from the referral sellers and his ‘church’ that does not have legal standing (so they don’t have a paper trail that can verify where the donations go) does take in donations. Where they go, that can be verified, is of undetermined status. I personally have many doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 second…who has collected the data on the 3 million bottles clarification…collected data on the three million bottle users Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 , We are talking about www.rheumatic.org Take care, Ute On 1/19/2011 6:12 AM, eson@... wrote: > > > I've went to the website but cannot locate the link for FAQ, nor the > one for the presentation on treating autoimmune disese! What am I > missing? It is roadback.org, right? Can someone please point me to the > correct links? Thanks. > M. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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