Re: hypdrogen peroxide and mms

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> Tom,

> Please advise how hydrogen peroxide and mms affect the body respectively and

/or comparatively. It appears they both treat pathogens and the same diseases.

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Hello Agnes,

Hydrogen peroxide and chlorine dioxide are both oxidizers. H2O2 has an

oxidation potential of 1.8, which is just a little less than ozone. ClO2 has an

oxidation potential of 1.5.

H2O2 can be targeted to be selective through the use of PH and temperature.

ClO2 is less sensitive to PH and temperature. H2O2 can also be used with a

catalyst to target a specific organism.

In water treatment, ClO2 is more stable that H2O2 but H2O2 is often used in

conjunction with ozone and UV. H2O2 is not approved by itself for water

disinfection.

The by products of oxidation are free radicals. H2O2 produces reactive oxygen

radicals and ClO2 produces chlorite. Both of these free radicals can do

oxidative damage and put the body under oxidative stress.

H2O2 has more health effects including carcinogenic and mutational effects. In

the body it targets the lungs, the intestines, the thymus, the liver, and the

kidneys. ClO2 has not been found to be neither carcinogenic or mutational, but

in the body chlorite targets all the organs including the brain, it can reduce

blood cell volume, and it has a half life of a little over 40 hours. As a gas

ClO2 also damages the lungs and the respiratory pathways.

Since both chemicals are oxidizers, if they come into contact with pathogens

that can be oxidized with an effective concentration for an effective amount of

time, the pathogen will be oxidized. In that way both are similar.

Let's look at using a mouthwash. When you use H2O2 as a mouthwash, you subject

your entire mouth to oxidative stress, including the germs you are trying to

kill. In contrast, when you use stabilized chlorine dioxide (sodium chlorite)

as a mouthwash, only the areas where the germs are residing are subjected to

oxidation because in the mouth the germs are acidic and the acid activates the

stabilized chlorine dioxide solution to produce chlorine dioxide in a local

area. This localized chlorine dioxide kills the germs and gets used up before

it can subject the rest of the mouth to oxidative stress.

In the air, ClO2 is much more effective, for example when working to eliminate

odors, mold, and mildew.

In the body, I think H2O2 is more reactive. In order to get H2O2 into the

blood, you have to administer it via IV. On the other hand you can dip your

hand into a ClO2 solution and some ClO2 will make it into your blood, where it

is quickly converted to chlorite.

I haven't really done an in depth comparison between H2O2 and ClO2, but off the

top of my head this should give you an idea of the similarities and differences.

Tom

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> Tom,

> Please advise how hydrogen peroxide and mms affect the body respectively and

/or comparatively. It appears they both treat pathogens and the same diseases.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

The devil seems to be in the details...

While H2O2 is generally recognized as safe in very low concentrations, problems

arise when the concentrations are higher. Here is a summary of H2O2.

http://cira.ornl.gov/documents/HydrogenPeroxide.pdf

You will notice that human carcinogenicity testing wasn't done because they

found problems in the animal testing.

The people at the BC Cancer Agency don't seem to support H2O2 for cancer...

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/PPI/UnconventionalTherapies/HydrogenPeroxide.htm

The water treatment people also refer to H2O2 as a carcinogen.

http://www.lentech.com

I believe that they do this because they are handling higher concentrations.

Tom

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> > Tom,

> > Please advise how hydrogen peroxide and mms affect the body respectively

> and /or comparatively. It appears they both treat pathogens and the same

> diseases.

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[Guest guest]

Hello ,

According to the link you sent...

" Dr.Farr, and some other physicians, feel that free-radicals are

produced in the stomach when H2O2 is administered orally, and these

free-radicals are not safe. Combinations of fatty acids which are likely to be

in the stomach in the presence of iron and ascorbate may reduce hydrogen

peroxide to hydroxyl and superoxide free radicals. These may have a deleterious

effect upon the gastric and duodonal mucosa, with an increase of glandular

stomach erosion, duodonal hyperplasia (abnormal increase in number of cells),

adenoma and carcinoma,... "

Now if the only use of H2O2 was for IV use in the 0.0375% concentration, there

would be no need for any further discussion. However, they go on to suggest a

variety of other uses of H2O2, and those uses are at much higher concentrations.

For example look at the vegetable soak.

" If time is a problem, spray vegetables (and fruits) with a solution of 3%. Let

stand for a few minutes, rinse and dry. "

Since fresh vegetables often have dirt on them, and dirt has a variety of

minerals in it, it is possible to produce some of the superoxide free radicals

during this process. If your rinse and dry is less than perfect, you can

subject yourself to them.

In the same way, the 3% concentration used for a mouthwash is much stronger than

the 0.0375% used for IV.

As I said before, the devil is in the details...

I am very pleased to hear that you are finding improvements in your health after

using IV H2O2. AND I hope you never contract lung cancer. However, if you do,

the IV use would be much safer than breathing in H2O2 fumes...

I agree that there are risks associated with all treatments. However, just

because the white blood cells totally engulf a pathogen and then, once the

pathogen has been totally removed from the blood stream, it attacks it with HClO

and H2O2 to kill it, does not mean that free floating H2O2 in the blood stream

is natural. If the body is full of infection, the extra oxidation is

beneficial, but a body full of infection is not natural either.

I believe the IV use of H2O2 is well studied and safe to use. I also believe

that the higher concentrations advertised for other uses has the capability of

causing problems, with one of those problems being cancer. In my house, I have

replaced 3% H2O2 with 0.1% HClO2. I have found it to be more effective and

believe it is safer for topical use.

Tom

Note: HClO2 is chlorous acid. It is made by adding 3.7 ml of 22.4% sodium

chlorite to 500 ml of water.

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> > > Tom,

> > > Please advise how hydrogen peroxide and mms affect the body respectively

> > and /or comparatively. It appears they both treat pathogens and the same

> > diseases.

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[Guest guest]

Hello Rod,

Over a long period of time people have been using hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) as a

mouthwash, and they have survived.

I happen to believe that the sodium chlorite solution is more effective and

safer, but we must keep focused upon the goal.

The goal is good oral hygiene.

Tom