not mms - maple syrup/baking soda

[Guest guest]

Can you just take the baking soda by itself with out mixing it with syrup. I think I missed out on original info,,, is it supposed to kill the lyme?

In a message dated 5/27/2010 11:01:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elf@... writes:

I've been taking the maple syrup/baking soda mix for four or five days now. Here are my findings.Cook the mix (3 tbsp maple syrup to 1 tbsp baking soda), don't just heat it a little. I use a tiny frying pan and cook on low, stirring continuously until it thickens. I make caramel topping for popcorn this way so I'm used to "seeing" when it's time to quit cooking. If you have a double boiler and a candy thermometer you can "make candy."Cool it enough to handle. Using buttered tools and hands turn it into jelly bean sized dosing balls. Put the balls on a buttered dish.I buttered a ziplock bag and dumped them in and put them in the fridge. They oozed into a single mass but I could break them apart to take them. I suppose I could treat it like taffy and put it in individual waxed paper twists. Maybe next time . . . or for my sister. Yeah, that's what I'll do, fix it for my sister.The original protocol I read said one teaspoon once a day for three days. That doesn't work for me. It spreads the dosage out too far and is too short of a treatment period. I have this stuff EVERYWHERE, all through my lymph and in every gland and organ. I want it gone. I've been taking a jelly bean sized doses three or four times a day on an empty stomach with a glass of water.IT IS WORKING!!!!! <dancing a happy dance> And, I feel great!Nori

[Guest guest]

I've been taking the maple syrup/baking soda mix for four or five days now.

Here are my findings.

Cook the mix (3 tbsp maple syrup to 1 tbsp baking soda), don't just heat it

a little. I use a tiny frying pan and cook on low, stirring continuously

until it thickens. I make caramel topping for popcorn this way so I'm used

to " seeing " when it's time to quit cooking. If you have a double boiler and

a candy thermometer you can " make candy. "

Cool it enough to handle. Using buttered tools and hands turn it into jelly

bean sized dosing balls. Put the balls on a buttered dish.

I buttered a ziplock bag and dumped them in and put them in the fridge.

They oozed into a single mass but I could break them apart to take them. I

suppose I could treat it like taffy and put it in individual waxed paper

twists. Maybe next time . . . or for my sister. Yeah, that's what I'll do,

fix it for my sister.

The original protocol I read said one teaspoon once a day for three days.

That doesn't work for me. It spreads the dosage out too far and is too

short of a treatment period. I have this stuff EVERYWHERE, all through my

lymph and in every gland and organ. I want it gone. I've been taking a

jelly bean sized doses three or four times a day on an empty stomach with a

glass of water.

IT IS WORKING!!!!! <dancing a happy dance> And, I feel great!

Nori

[Guest guest]

Nori--that's wonderful!!!! Please continue to let us know what happens.

What are the signs that make you believe you are killing stuff? You feel good--how? Like, no brain fog. Or more memory. Or less pain.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I've been taking the maple syrup/baking soda mix for four or five days now.

Here are my findings.

[Guest guest]



Yeast. Systemic.

N

Re: [ ] not mms - maple syrup/baking soda

Can you just take the baking soda by itself with out mixing it with syrup. I think I missed out on original info,,, is it supposed to kill the lyme?

[Guest guest]

wonder if this would kill fungus? I am thinking that a lot of us have fungus without even knowing it is fungus but looking at other problems.

Lee

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:19 PM, ElfN <elf@...> wrote:

 

 Yeast.   Systemic.

 

N

Re: [ ] not mms - maple syrup/baking soda

Can you just take the baking soda by itself with out mixing it with syrup.  I think I missed out on original info,,, is it supposed to kill the lyme?

[Guest guest]

I use to visit a naturopath here in south Texas. He's since passed away, but he use to tell people with candida (yeast/fungus) to take cream of tartar at night before bed.

He said to start out with a teaspoon in cold water (covers the taste) and work up to a tablespoon. Some very bad people needed 2 tablespoons--one at night and one in the morning.

He said that the reason for taking it at night was because it would cause diarrhea in the morning. But once that morning elimination was over, you'd be fine the rest of the day. He said that the diarrhea was caused by the die-off, NOT the ctt. Kind of like MMS.

For the people that also needed it in the mornings (rare) they would also be having diarrhea at night.

He said how to tell all the candida was gone in the body (well, not all of it because we need it, but the worst overgrowth) was that you would stop having diarrhea.

Since I don't have any candida problems, I never tried this--though I knew people who did and said it helped immensely.

Samala,

[Guest guest]



I SO agree with you. I've been fighting yeast overgrowth for years. It's a far more debilitating condition than most people would suspect. I have tried SO many different treatments. They each worked a little, but only a little. The first was a fiber and oleic acid protocol. That helped a little. Then I took the Colonix/Toxinout duo and that helped a bit more. Then mms, and that helped a bit more. The ms/bs combo has worked the best and is easily the easiest to take. Just pop a jelly bean sized dose, drink a little water.

Memory works good, energy is awesome. This morning my ears are dry and have not itched. That's for the first time in . . . . over a decade at least. Usually they're so wet I have to dry them out a couple times a day . . . and they are usually continually itchy. The relief is euphoric.

I am NOT saying don't take mms. I think it is VITAL to getting your system clean and working properly. But if you have fungus, if you THINK you have fungus, give ms/bs a try. Make up 3tbsp/1tbsp and take it 4 or 5 times a day on an empty stomach with water until you run out and see where you are. What changed?

One of the things I noticed, I've lost the acidy stomach that caused me to eat and to drink extra water to dilute the burning. If food and extra water didn't work I'd chew a piece of gum. The burning is pretty much gone. If it comes back I know I've spread my doses out too far. Another change I've noticed, I'm losing weight. I don't crave food like I used to and my crave of sweets is virtually gone. On the down side, if you can consider this a down side, I have to pay attention to the passage of time and eat when I should or my mental processes suffer. Apparently my system sees regular feeding as essential. I can't rely on my screwed up system to start panting at me for food as a guide to when to eat.

I have heard parents crying for something that will work for children that isn't an expensive and toxic big pharma solution. Ms/bs "jelly beans" may be the key. It's super cheap and easy to take. Speculating - it probably works best with diet modification as modification limits what is available as fungus food. The reason I think dosing on an empty stomach will be most effective is it's the only "food" being offered to an empty system and isn't diluted by other "edibles." The first dose of the day on an empty stomach is probably the most effective as that's when the fungus will be most eager to eat - speculation, but all doses on an empty stomach is going to improve the situation. Some of this is just common sense.

N

Re: [ ] not mms - maple syrup/baking soda

wonder if this would kill fungus? I am thinking that a lot of us have fungus without even knowing it is fungus but looking at other problems.

[Guest guest]

My ears finally dried up! This is HUGE!

I've got everything I know in the emails I posted here. If anyone has a question beyond that, let me know. I'm going to continue this for at least a couple weeks, maybe a month. I'll have to do some research to see if there are any suspected side effects from long term use. If I find anything I'll let y'all know.

N

Re: [ ] not mms - maple syrup/baking soda

Nori--that's wonderful!!!! Please continue to let us know what happens.

What are the signs that make you believe you are killing stuff? You feel good--how? Like, no brain fog. Or more memory. Or less pain.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I've been taking the maple syrup/baking soda mix for four or five days now.

Here are my findings.

[Guest guest]



I may try that. I want to run this out and see how it goes . . . I'm losing the symptoms without the diarrhea so the question is, is it really working.

N

Re: [ ] not mms - maple syrup/baking soda

I use to visit a naturopath here in south Texas. He's since passed away, but he use to tell people with candida (yeast/fungus) to take cream of tartar at night before bed.

He said to start out with a teaspoon in cold water (covers the taste) and work up to a tablespoon. Some very bad people needed 2 tablespoons--one at night and one in the morning.

He said that the reason for taking it at night was because it would cause diarrhea in the morning. But once that morning elimination was over, you'd be fine the rest of the day. He said that the diarrhea was caused by the die-off, NOT the ctt. Kind of like MMS.

For the people that also needed it in the mornings (rare) they would also be having diarrhea at night.

He said how to tell all the candida was gone in the body (well, not all of it because we need it, but the worst overgrowth) was that you would stop having diarrhea.

Since I don't have any candida problems, I never tried this--though I knew people who did and said it helped immensely.

Samala,

[Guest guest]



And my second question is . . . if it causes diarrhea, is it because it's killing fungus in the digestive tract? I've cleared that out already with the other protocols I've used. It's the hard to reach areas I'm fighting with now . . . lymph, ears, sinuses.

Poisoning the food fungus eats is such a tricky way to kill the stuff off. VERY clever. The classic trojan horse.

Someone who has fungus in their digestive tract needs to try this and let me know if it causes diarrhea under those circumstances.

N

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From:

I use to visit a naturopath here in south Texas. He's since passed away, but he use to tell people with candida (yeast/fungus) to take cream of tartar at night before bed.

He said to start out with a teaspoon in cold water (covers the taste) and work up to a tablespoon. Some very bad people needed 2 tablespoons--one at night and one in the morning.

He said that the reason for taking it at night was because it would cause diarrhea in the morning. But once that morning elimination was over, you'd be fine the rest of the day. He said that the diarrhea was caused by the die-off, NOT the ctt. Kind of like MMS.

For the people that also needed it in the mornings (rare) they would also be having diarrhea at night.

He said how to tell all the candida was gone in the body (well, not all of it because we need it, but the worst overgrowth) was that you would stop having diarrhea.

Since I don't have any candida problems, I never tried this--though I knew people who did and said it helped immensely.

Samala,

[Guest guest]

Thank you soooo much. I have been dealing with this for a couple of years trying everything; even antibiotics from the drs. then I get a yeast infection then more antibiotics. Geez. I used to listen to a Doc Mike on radio but cannot find him anywhere anymore. I live in south Tx. wonder if there might be another in his office?? I am on the La border at Toledo bend Lake.

Lee

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:12 PM, <gaiacita@...> wrote:

 

I use to visit a naturopath here in south Texas.  He's since passed away, but he use to tell people with candida (yeast/fungus) to take cream of tartar at night before bed. 

 

He said to start out with a teaspoon in cold water (covers the taste) and work up to a tablespoon. Some very bad people needed 2 tablespoons--one at night and one in the morning.

 

He said that the reason for taking it at night was because it would cause diarrhea in the morning.  But once that morning elimination was over, you'd be fine the rest of the day.  He said that the diarrhea was caused by the die-off, NOT the ctt.  Kind of like MMS. 

 

For the people that also needed it in the mornings (rare) they would also be having diarrhea at night.

 

He said how to tell all the candida was gone in the body (well, not all of it because we need it, but the worst overgrowth) was that you would stop having diarrhea.

 

Since I don't have any candida problems, I never tried this--though I knew people who did and said it helped immensely. 

 

Samala,

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nori, what is the purpose of taking these? OJLFrom: ElfN <elf@...> Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 11:01:40 PMSubject: [ ] not mms - maple syrup/baking soda

I've been taking the maple syrup/baking soda mix for four or five days now.

Here are my findings.

Cook the mix (3 tbsp maple syrup to 1 tbsp baking soda), don't just heat it

a little. I use a tiny frying pan and cook on low, stirring continuously

until it thickens. I make caramel topping for popcorn this way so I'm used

to "seeing" when it's time to quit cooking. If you have a double boiler and

a candy thermometer you can "make candy."

Cool it enough to handle. Using buttered tools and hands turn it into jelly

bean sized dosing balls. Put the balls on a buttered dish.

I buttered a ziplock bag and dumped them in and put them in the fridge.

They oozed into a single mass but I could break them apart to take them. I

suppose I could treat it like taffy and put it in individual waxed paper

twists. Maybe next time . . . or for my sister. Yeah, that's what I'll do,

fix it for my sister.

The original protocol I read said one teaspoon once a day for three days.

That doesn't work for me. It spreads the dosage out too far and is too

short of a treatment period. I have this stuff EVERYWHERE, all through my

lymph and in every gland and organ. I want it gone. I've been taking a

jelly bean sized doses three or four times a day on an empty stomach with a

glass of water.

IT IS WORKING!!!!! <dancing a happy dance> And, I feel great!

Nori

[Guest guest]

Dr. Tommy didn't have an office. He was pretty remarkable in that he came to your place. If he didn't get the results you wanted, you didn't pay him. He was always trying to get doctors to do that--but of course no one would. :-)

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Thank you soooo much. I have been dealing with this for a couple of years trying everything; even antibiotics from the drs. then I get a yeast infection then more antibiotics. Geez. I used to listen to a Doc Mike on radio but cannot find him anywhere anymore. I live in south Tx. wonder if there might be another in his office?? I am on the La border at Toledo bend Lake.

Lee

[Guest guest]

I would think the only adverse effect might be your ph would raise too much. So you might want to keep a check on it with ph papers for both urine and saliva.

I heard a chiro talking about health and he said that the urine was the body's ph response and the saliva was the emotion's response. He would have someone with perfect urine ph, yet still be sick. Or he'd have someone with perfect saliva ph, yet still be sick. He finally realized that he had to have BOTH urine and saliva ph in the correct range.

He said that he had to learn to help people balance their emotions, as this was what the saliva ph showed. And if it was off, they hadn't dealt with their emotional issuse.

Same with the urine ph, only that was physical issues.

Of course, all day long your ph changes, so his advice was to take both first thing in the morning, as he considered this the 'true' numbers. He said catch pee in a cup and dip the strip in, and then spit in a spoon and dip the stick in. He said he found if you simply placed the ph papers in the mouth it would throw the numbers off, so it had to be separate spit.

He said be careful and remember that you 'spit in the spoon and pee in the cup and not the other way around' :-)

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

My ears finally dried up! This is HUGE!

I've got everything I know in the emails I posted here. If anyone has a question beyond that, let me know. I'm going to continue this for at least a couple weeks, maybe a month. I'll have to do some research to see if there are any suspected side effects from long term use. If I find anything I'll let y'all know.

[Guest guest]

I don't recall Dr. Tommy ever addressing this. He just said the diarrhea was from die-off.

Now--here's where radiation hormesis comes in. According to Jay of www.nighthawkminerals.com any fungus gets a fast overgrowth because of how it feeds. It eats dead cells--injury area, scar tissue which is why cancer shows up at these sites--long time dead cells, fungus builds up, then the body can't repair itself fast enough and you get cancer, which is why so many now say cancer is a fungus. It's not, but it shows up BECAUSE fungus is there.

So it eats the dead cells, plus then it excretes toxins as elimination, which in turn kill more cells, which in turn feeds the fungus. Vicious circle.

Using radiation hormesis, the very safe, very low level of radiation (via stones you wear and radon water you drink) damages cells and DNA slightly so that the immune system rushes to repair it. Since fungus is slow growing, the body's repair of the damaged cells is faster than the fungus can repair itself. So between less toxins being released because of dead fungus and less dead cells in the body itself, eventually (usually within a year, but could be longer or shorter, depending on the severity of the problem) the fungus cannot keep up, and no food supply for it, so it all dies.

Samala,

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And my second question is . . . if it causes diarrhea, is it because it's killing fungus in the digestive tract? I've cleared that out already with the other protocols I've used. It's the hard to reach areas I'm fighting with now . . . lymph, ears, sinuses.

Poisoning the food fungus eats is such a tricky way to kill the stuff off. VERY clever. The classic trojan horse.

[Guest guest]

Only time will tell. There's always many ways to any end result. It could be that, for your body, this is what works best for you. And that it's working slowly enough so that your body can handle the die-off without producing diarrhea.

Each person is different, each body is different, with different needs, different reactions. If it's working for you--and it must be or you wouldn't feel better, then I would continue with your plan.

The only thing I MIGHT try, if I were in this situation, is that they say fungus adapts to attacks pretty quickly. Which is why Jim Humble never found MMS to be the same fungal killer that it was bacteria/virus killer. The fungus adapted to MMS. So--the suggestion on the other list was that a person take MMS for a while, and then switch to a different anti-fungal (such as a good herbal). Then after a bit switch back to MMS, then to something else.

Some people had much better luck with that method than with straight anything else--straight MMS, herbs or even medicine. The switching apparently killed off the bits of fungus that were adapting to any one method.

Samala,

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I may try that. I want to run this out and see how it goes . . . I'm losing the symptoms without the diarrhea so the question is, is it really working.

[Guest guest]

See my last post, but this kind of proves the theory that people on the old MMS list came up with about needing to switch between fungus killers. Usually they'd switch every 2 to 3 weeks. Kept that fungus off balance.

At first Jim said MMS killed all fungus just like it killed bacteria/virus. Then more and more people were finding this wasn't true. That sometimes it aggravated and increased the fungal (candida) problem. Many people with candida claim that they can't take vinegar because that's from a mold, hence it increases candida. So then he said that people with candida shouldn't take it with vinegar, but with citric. Then said "well, it doesn't always work good to kill candida. Sorry". But I think if people would have switched back and forth they may have gotten better results. After someone suggested this, and a couple people tried it, it did seem to work much better than any single protocol.

It might be better to switch like this, quickly, often, rather than run one method until it doesn't work anymore. It would seem logical that this would do more damage instead of waiting till a method no longer worked.

Just some thoughts. :-)

But I especially love your idea of the candy. You are innovative, since no one else ever even thought of this! Kids should love it. And as a change of pace, some people were mixing the BS with black strap molasses, some with honey--so if these would work with the candy (maybe even a drop or two of flavoring?) a kid wouldn't get bored with having to take his/her medicine. Between switching from this to unactivated MMS5 in water, a parent might just be able to get a handle on their child's problem.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I SO agree with you. I've been fighting yeast overgrowth for years. It's a far more debilitating condition than most people would suspect. I have tried SO many different treatments. They each worked a little, but only a little. The first was a fiber and oleic acid protocol. That helped a little. Then I took the Colonix/Toxinout duo and that helped a bit more. Then mms, and that helped a bit more. The ms/bs combo has worked the best and is easily the easiest to take. Just pop a jelly bean sized dose, drink a little water.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Actually, bacteria and fungi require about the same concentration and contact

time to kill. In piping systems, the free floating bacteria is easy to kill off

as long as you follow the proper CT value, but fungi that has attached itself to

the sides of the pipe are more difficult to eliminate. The reason for this is

that chlorine dioxide is not a detergent. It does not remove the growth, it

just kills it. With fungi, all you need is a single spore that happens to float

by and come into contact with the dead material and it moves in and sets up

house.

The work around for this in industry is to shut everything down and introduce

the proper amount of chlorine dioxide and let it sit overnight. This results in

the kill. Next, the circulation pumps are set to maximum and the movement of

the fluid " scrubs " the dead material off of the walls of the pipe.

In spite of all this, there are still times when the whole system has to be shut

down and physically cleaned out by brushing, scrapping, or using high pressure

washers.

Once the system has been cleaned out, a small amount is effective in keeping it

from coming back again.

The bottom line is that fungi is easy to kill but difficult to get rid of.

Tom

>

> See my last post, but this kind of proves the theory that people on the old

> MMS list came up with about needing to switch between fungus killers.

> Usually they'd switch every 2 to 3 weeks. Kept that fungus off balance.

>

> At first Jim said MMS killed all fungus just like it killed bacteria/virus.

> Then more and more people were finding this wasn't true. That sometimes it

> aggravated and increased the fungal (candida) problem. Many people with

> candida claim that they can't take vinegar because that's from a mold, hence

> it increases candida. So then he said that people with candida shouldn't

> take it with vinegar, but with citric. Then said " well, it doesn't always

> work good to kill candida. Sorry " . But I think if people would have

> switched back and forth they may have gotten better results. After someone

> suggested this, and a couple people tried it, it did seem to work much

> better than any single protocol.

>

> It might be better to switch like this, quickly, often, rather than run one

> method until it doesn't work anymore. It would seem logical that this would

> do more damage instead of waiting till a method no longer worked.

>

> Just some thoughts. :-)

>

> But I especially love your idea of the candy. You are innovative, since no

> one else ever even thought of this! Kids should love it. And as a change

> of pace, some people were mixing the BS with black strap molasses, some with

> honey--so if these would work with the candy (maybe even a drop or two of

> flavoring?) a kid wouldn't get bored with having to take his/her medicine.

> Between switching from this to unactivated MMS5 in water, a parent might

> just be able to get a handle on their child's problem.

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

> I SO agree with you. I've been fighting yeast overgrowth for years. It's a

> far more debilitating condition than most people would suspect. I have

> tried SO many different treatments. They each worked a little, but only a

> little. The first was a fiber and oleic acid protocol. That helped a

> little. Then I took the Colonix/Toxinout duo and that helped a bit more.

> Then mms, and that helped a bit more. The ms/bs combo has worked the best

> and is easily the easiest to take. Just pop a jelly bean sized dose, drink

> a little water.

>

[Guest guest]



You're never going to be able to eat it like candy, trust me. The taste is pretty bad. But, it presents it in a easily swallowed form. The faster it gets past your mouth the easier it is to take.

I didn't find an increase in my fungus from the unfiltered apple cider activated mms. Just the opposite. But when it reached the point where the fungus wasn't in my blood, that's where mms struggled. It doesn't do a clean kill in the lymph nodes and sinus cavity, which is where I've got it.

The ms/bs is backing it off, but I'm still going to need to work on this. I'm going for the magnetic pulse cleanse of lymph and tissue next. I'm not going to give up.

N

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From:

See my last post, but this kind of proves the theory that people on the old MMS list came up with about needing to switch between fungus killers. Usually they'd switch every 2 to 3 weeks. Kept that fungus off balance.

At first Jim said MMS killed all fungus just like it killed bacteria/virus. Then more and more people were finding this wasn't true. That sometimes it aggravated and increased the fungal (candida) problem. Many people with candida claim that they can't take vinegar because that's from a mold, hence it increases candida. So then he said that people with candida shouldn't take it with vinegar, but with citric. Then said "well, it doesn't always work good to kill candida. Sorry". But I think if people would have switched back and forth they may have gotten better results. After someone suggested this, and a couple people tried it, it did seem to work much better than any single protocol.

It might be better to switch like this, quickly, often, rather than run one method until it doesn't work anymore. It would seem logical that this would do more damage instead of waiting till a method no longer worked.

Just some thoughts. :-)

But I especially love your idea of the candy. You are innovative, since no one else ever even thought of this! Kids should love it. And as a change of pace, some people were mixing the BS with black strap molasses, some with honey--so if these would work with the candy (maybe even a drop or two of flavoring?) a kid wouldn't get bored with having to take his/her medicine. Between switching from this to unactivated MMS5 in water, a parent might just be able to get a handle on their child's problem.

Samala,

[Guest guest]

Kinda like aphids.

N

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From: " silverfox_science " <poast@...>

> The bottom line is that fungi is easy to kill but difficult to get rid of.

>

> Tom

[Guest guest]

What you are saying is that the MMS did indeed kill the fungus, but that the body can't eliminate the dead gunk. Right?

Ok. So--dead fungi, bad goo. Wouldn't a few colon cleanses help?

Seems that ill people can have diarrhea, which doesn't mean their colon walls are clean. And I don't think it is best to do colon cleanses from the um, external route. I know many believe in it, and I can see the value in it for some. But somehow I don't feel we are made to behave that way.

I did ask a colon specialist what she thought of flushes and such, external applications, hydro therapy and all, and she said the same thing--much better to do it the way the pipes work, from mouth to anus and not the other way around.

But again--there are exceptions.

I do believe that most ill people do not have enough bowel movements in a day. Heck, hardly anyone does today unless they are health conscious and make an effort.

So, since I am just reading about this subject in a file I have, it would seem that a change in diet--to more raw foods, lots of drinking water, nothing that comes prepackaged, and no junk foods. To this add liver support, B & C vitamins, and something to help move the bowels at least 3 times a day. There are a few good products out there that will do this.

To this, though, I would add a good colon cleanse--oral method. Many good ones out there. Perhaps even throw in some zeolite to bind toxins. Would it (or clay) also bind the goo?

Do you think all this would help with that problem of getting rid of the goo and flushing out the dead fungus/candida/yeast? So that the MMS actually did the job and switching between anti-fungals is not necessary?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Actually, bacteria and fungi require about the same concentration and contact time to kill. In piping systems, the free floating bacteria is easy to kill off as long as you follow the proper CT value, but fungi that has attached itself to the sides of the pipe are more difficult to eliminate. The reason for this is that chlorine dioxide is not a detergent. It does not remove the growth, it just kills it. With fungi, all you need is a single spore that happens to float by and come into contact with the dead material and it moves in and sets up house.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

The fungi in the body is kind of like Walter the fish. A real sneaky bastard...

(from On Golden Pond)

In the body the fungi like to inhabit the biofilm mucous that lines most of the

body. Since chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid both react with organic

materials, the mucous uses up the chemicals. This is why I go for different

methods of activation.

When you activate the sodium chlorite, the free chlorine dioxide is used up in

the mouth and throat. If you use water to activate, the chlorine dioxide begins

to be produced in the stomach and has a chance to travel a little further down

the colon. At this point, it is possible that some may enter the blood stream.

Activating to a target PH allows the solution to pass through the stomach and

through the upper colon, and begin to work a little further down.

Another very effective method of entry comes from the mouthwash. While you are

swishing, chlorine dioxide is produced by the acids in your mouth, and some of

this is absorbed through the gum line and under the tongue. This takes it

directly to your bloodstream.

Another method is to use foot baths, washes, or complete body baths. These

allow chlorine dioxide to penetrate the skin and go directly into the blood

stream.

If you want to target the lymph system, take a paper towel and saturate it with

a chlorine dioxide solution. Fold it up and put it in your " axillary vault "

more commonly called the arm pit. You can also place saturated paper towels

over the lymph nodes in the pelvic area. This allows chlorine dioxide to

penetrate into the lymph system.

Fungi does not develop a resistance to chlorine dioxide, it just buries itself

in biofilm and the chlorine dioxide gets used up trying to get to it.

Unfortunately, the body can not handle high concentrations of chlorine dioxide,

and needs mucous to support life. Otherwise you could just crank up the PPM

concentration, wipe out all the mucous and use probiotics to rebuild. This is

kind of like what chemo does... Take you to within an inch of death and see if

you can rebound.

This brings us to the point of long term use. I don't care for this because of

the risk of oxidative damage, but extended periods of lower concentrations can

be effective. This becomes a balancing act that is best done under the

supervision of a medical professional that can monitor and test for oxidative

stress.

Tom

>

> What you are saying is that the MMS did indeed kill the fungus, but that the

> body can't eliminate the dead gunk. Right?

>

> Ok. So--dead fungi, bad goo. Wouldn't a few colon cleanses help?

>

> Seems that ill people can have diarrhea, which doesn't mean their colon

> walls are clean. And I don't think it is best to do colon cleanses from the

> um, external route. I know many believe in it, and I can see the value in

> it for some. But somehow I don't feel we are made to behave that way.

>

> I did ask a colon specialist what she thought of flushes and such, external

> applications, hydro therapy and all, and she said the same thing--much

> better to do it the way the pipes work, from mouth to anus and not the other

> way around.

>

> But again--there are exceptions.

>

> I do believe that most ill people do not have enough bowel movements in a

> day. Heck, hardly anyone does today unless they are health conscious and

> make an effort.

>

> So, since I am just reading about this subject in a file I have, it would

> seem that a change in diet--to more raw foods, lots of drinking water,

> nothing that comes prepackaged, and no junk foods. To this add liver

> support, B & C vitamins, and something to help move the bowels at least 3

> times a day. There are a few good products out there that will do this.

>

> To this, though, I would add a good colon cleanse--oral method. Many good

> ones out there. Perhaps even throw in some zeolite to bind toxins. Would

> it (or clay) also bind the goo?

>

> Do you think all this would help with that problem of getting rid of the goo

> and flushing out the dead fungus/candida/yeast? So that the MMS actually

> did the job and switching between anti-fungals is not necessary?

>

> Samala,

>

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

>

> Actually, bacteria and fungi require about the same concentration and

> contact time to kill. In piping systems, the free floating bacteria is easy

> to kill off as long as you follow the proper CT value, but fungi that has

> attached itself to the sides of the pipe are more difficult to eliminate.

> The reason for this is that chlorine dioxide is not a detergent. It does

> not remove the growth, it just kills it. With fungi, all you need is a

> single spore that happens to float by and come into contact with the dead

> material and it moves in and sets up house.

>

[Guest guest]

Tom,

This is very intersting. I'm learning so much!

How do you test for oxidative stress?

Thanks

Arie

From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 6:11:06 AMSubject: [ ] Re: not mms - maple syrup/baking soda

Hello ,The fungi in the body is kind of like Walter the fish. A real sneaky bastard... (from On Golden Pond)In the body the fungi like to inhabit the biofilm mucous that lines most of the body. Since chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid both react with organic materials, the mucous uses up the chemicals. This is why I go for different methods of activation.When you activate the sodium chlorite, the free chlorine dioxide is used up in the mouth and throat. If you use water to activate, the chlorine dioxide begins to be produced in the stomach and has a chance to travel a little further down the colon. At this point, it is possible that some may enter the blood stream. Activating to a target PH allows the solution to pass through the stomach and through the upper colon, and begin to work a little further down.Another very effective method of entry comes from the mouthwash. While you are swishing, chlorine dioxide

is produced by the acids in your mouth, and some of this is absorbed through the gum line and under the tongue. This takes it directly to your bloodstream.Another method is to use foot baths, washes, or complete body baths. These allow chlorine dioxide to penetrate the skin and go directly into the blood stream.If you want to target the lymph system, take a paper towel and saturate it with a chlorine dioxide solution. Fold it up and put it in your "axillary vault" more commonly called the arm pit. You can also place saturated paper towels over the lymph nodes in the pelvic area. This allows chlorine dioxide to penetrate into the lymph system.Fungi does not develop a resistance to chlorine dioxide, it just buries itself in biofilm and the chlorine dioxide gets used up trying to get to it. Unfortunately, the body can not handle high concentrations of chlorine dioxide, and needs mucous to support life. Otherwise you could just crank

up the PPM concentration, wipe out all the mucous and use probiotics to rebuild. This is kind of like what chemo does... Take you to within an inch of death and see if you can rebound.This brings us to the point of long term use. I don't care for this because of the risk of oxidative damage, but extended periods of lower concentrations can be effective. This becomes a balancing act that is best done under the supervision of a medical professional that can monitor and test for oxidative stress.Tom>> What you are saying is that the MMS did indeed kill the fungus, but that the> body can't eliminate the dead gunk. Right?> > Ok. So--dead fungi, bad goo. Wouldn't a

few colon cleanses help? > > Seems that ill people can have diarrhea, which doesn't mean their colon> walls are clean. And I don't think it is best to do colon cleanses from the> um, external route. I know many believe in it, and I can see the value in> it for some. But somehow I don't feel we are made to behave that way.> > I did ask a colon specialist what she thought of flushes and such, external> applications, hydro therapy and all, and she said the same thing--much> better to do it the way the pipes work, from mouth to anus and not the other> way around. > > But again--there are exceptions.> > I do believe that most ill people do not have enough bowel movements in a> day. Heck, hardly anyone does today unless they are health conscious and> make an effort. > > So, since I am just reading about this subject in a file I have,

it would> seem that a change in diet--to more raw foods, lots of drinking water,> nothing that comes prepackaged, and no junk foods. To this add liver> support, B & C vitamins, and something to help move the bowels at least 3> times a day. There are a few good products out there that will do this.> > To this, though, I would add a good colon cleanse--oral method. Many good> ones out there. Perhaps even throw in some zeolite to bind toxins. Would> it (or clay) also bind the goo?> > Do you think all this would help with that problem of getting rid of the goo> and flushing out the dead fungus/candida/yeast? So that the MMS actually> did the job and switching between anti-fungals is not necessary?> > Samala,> > > > -------Original Message-------> > > Actually, bacteria and fungi require about the same

concentration and> contact time to kill. In piping systems, the free floating bacteria is easy> to kill off as long as you follow the proper CT value, but fungi that has> attached itself to the sides of the pipe are more difficult to eliminate. > The reason for this is that chlorine dioxide is not a detergent. It does> not remove the growth, it just kills it. With fungi, all you need is a> single spore that happens to float by and come into contact with the dead> material and it moves in and sets up house.>

[Guest guest]

,

Colon cleansing Hydrotherapy, etc. This can be very dangerous if you have Diverticulosis. Important to do a colonoscopy before trying that after reaching a certain age.

Otherwise it can be very helpfull doing a series of about 10 with an experienced Hydrotherapist.

Or you can learn from Yogis how to get water directly from your mouth to the colon.

Arie

From: <gaiacita@...> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 5:23:04 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Re: not mms - maple syrup/baking soda

What you are saying is that the MMS did indeed kill the fungus, but that the body can't eliminate the dead gunk. Right?

Ok. So--dead fungi, bad goo. Wouldn't a few colon cleanses help?

Seems that ill people can have diarrhea, which doesn't mean their colon walls are clean. And I don't think it is best to do colon cleanses from the um, external route. I know many believe in it, and I can see the value in it for some. But somehow I don't feel we are made to behave that way.

I did ask a colon specialist what she thought of flushes and such, external applications, hydro therapy and all, and she said the same thing--much better to do it the way the pipes work, from mouth to anus and not the other way around.

But again--there are exceptions.

I do believe that most ill people do not have enough bowel movements in a day. Heck, hardly anyone does today unless they are health conscious and make an effort.

So, since I am just reading about this subject in a file I have, it would seem that a change in diet--to more raw foods, lots of drinking water, nothing that comes prepackaged, and no junk foods. To this add liver support, B & C vitamins, and something to help move the bowels at least 3 times a day. There are a few good products out there that will do this.

To this, though, I would add a good colon cleanse--oral method. Many good ones out there. Perhaps even throw in some zeolite to bind toxins. Would it (or clay) also bind the goo?

Do you think all this would help with that problem of getting rid of the goo and flushing out the dead fungus/candida/ yeast? So that the MMS actually did the job and switching between anti-fungals is not necessary?

Samala,

-------Original Message----- --

Actually, bacteria and fungi require about the same concentration and contact time to kill. In piping systems, the free floating bacteria is easy to kill off as long as you follow the proper CT value, but fungi that has attached itself to the sides of the pipe are more difficult to eliminate. The reason for this is that chlorine dioxide is not a detergent. It does not remove the growth, it just kills it. With fungi, all you need is a single spore that happens to float by and come into contact with the dead material and it moves in and sets up house.

[Guest guest]

For fungus adding MSM and flower of sulfur to treatment is important.

> >

> > What you are saying is that the MMS did indeed kill the fungus, but that the

> > body can't eliminate the dead gunk. Right?

> >

> > Ok. So--dead fungi, bad goo. Wouldn't a few colon cleanses help?

> >

> > Seems that ill people can have diarrhea, which doesn't mean their colon

> > walls are clean. And I don't think it is best to do colon cleanses from the

> > um, external route. I know many believe in it, and I can see the value in

> > it for some. But somehow I don't feel we are made to behave that way.

> >

> > I did ask a colon specialist what she thought of flushes and such, external

> > applications, hydro therapy and all, and she said the same thing--much

> > better to do it the way the pipes work, from mouth to anus and not the other

> > way around.

> >

> > But again--there are exceptions.

> >

> > I do believe that most ill people do not have enough bowel movements in a

> > day. Heck, hardly anyone does today unless they are health conscious and

> > make an effort.

> >

> > So, since I am just reading about this subject in a file I have, it would

> > seem that a change in diet--to more raw foods, lots of drinking water,

> > nothing that comes prepackaged, and no junk foods. To this add liver

> > support, B & C vitamins, and something to help move the bowels at least 3

> > times a day. There are a few good products out there that will do this.

> >

> > To this, though, I would add a good colon cleanse--oral method. Many good

> > ones out there. Perhaps even throw in some zeolite to bind toxins. Would

> > it (or clay) also bind the goo?

> >

> > Do you think all this would help with that problem of getting rid of the goo

> > and flushing out the dead fungus/candida/yeast? So that the MMS actually

> > did the job and switching between anti-fungals is not necessary?

> >

> > Samala,

> >

> >

> >

> > -------Original Message-------

> >

> >

> > Actually, bacteria and fungi require about the same concentration and

> > contact time to kill. In piping systems, the free floating bacteria is easy

> > to kill off as long as you follow the proper CT value, but fungi that has

> > attached itself to the sides of the pipe are more difficult to eliminate.

> > The reason for this is that chlorine dioxide is not a detergent. It does

> > not remove the growth, it just kills it. With fungi, all you need is a

> > single spore that happens to float by and come into contact with the dead

> > material and it moves in and sets up house.

> >

>