Re: Reply from Jim Humble

July 8, 2010

Finally some TRUE prespective. Thanks Alvin and Jim!

> Jim, I'm forwarding this to you.

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> From: Alvin Rose <ajroseca@...>

> Date: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:44 PM

> Subject: For Jim Humble can you get it to him or give me his private email

address

> Jim Humble

>

> Hi Jim

> this is a email I sent to Silver_fox Science as he is a heavy critic

> of MMS on many group sites..I told him he is with Big Pharma

> and I get no denial..Could you send me an email with your comments to set

the findings right...

>

> Hello Alvin,

>

> That explains it. Your chemistry is off.

>

> Chlorine dioxide is a gas. Period.

>

> Sodium chlorite is a stable form of chlorine dioxide. It has an alkaline PH

and it releases chlorine dioxide as its PH is lowered.

>

> The immune system can't utilize chlorine dioxide because chlorine dioxide

doesn't exist for any length of time inside the body. It is too unstable and

there are too may organic materials in the body that it reacts with. Industry

would love to have a way to determine how much chlorine dioxide exposure someone

has had. However, since chlorine dioxide doesn't exist inside the body, they

look at oxidative damage and chlorite concentration.

>

> NOT TRUE - CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN MANY

INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE ORGANIC

MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE.

>

> The breakdown of chlorine dioxide to chlorite does have an oxidation

potential of 0.95 volts, and it involves the chlorine dioxide gas loosing 1

electron and forming chlorite. Chlorite is what has the half life of some 40

hours inside the body, and is found in all the organs in the body including the

brain. Keep in mind that it still has 4 electrons to oxidize with.

>

> THIS AGAIN IS DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO

CHLORITE FOR ONLY A MILLISECOND. THAT'S ALL. IT THEN CONTINUES TO BREAK DOWN

INTO TABLE SALT. ANYTHING THAT HAS THE .95 VOLTS TO PULL OFF THE FIRST ELECTRON

ALWAYS PULLS OFF THE NEXT FOUR ELECTRONS TOO. IT NEVER REMAINS CHLORITE.

CHEMICALLY IT CANNOT.

>

> Chlorite causes oxidative stress to the organs in the body, and to the

blood. That is why there are closely regulated limits on the amount of chlorite

left in water after purification. The chlorite is formed when the chlorine

dioxide breaks down. The extended half life allows for plenty of time to oxidize

whatever it comes into contact with inside the body. This is also why the

Canadian government came down hard on people supplying sodium chlorite for water

purification. The directions they provided resulted in chlorite concentrations

in excess of what is allowed and what is considered safe.

>

> THIS IS ALL PURE BULL. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE AS IT HAS BEEN SOLD

IN HEALTH FOOD STORES FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS. THE NAME HAS BEEN STABILIZED

OXYGEN FOR ALL THOSE YEARS HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING IT

AND NOTHING BUT GOOD RESULTS HAS BEEN REPORTED. STABILIZED OXYGEN IS SODIUM

CHLORITE IN WATER AND NOTHING ELSE. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOUR SELF. MOST HEALTH

FOOD STORES STILL SELL IT. SILVER FOX KNOWS THIS AND IS SIMPLY LYING TO THE

PUBLIC. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF, GO TO ANY HEALTH FOOD STORE.

>

> As the chlorite breaks down, some chlorate is formed and also some chloride,

but about 70% of the chlorine dioxide leaves the body through urine as chlorite.

Chlorite is a lot different from common table salt.

>

> NOT TRUE- AGAIN. THIS DOES NOT FIT THE CHEMISTRY. CHECK WITH THE NEAREST

UNIVERSITY, DON'T TAKE MY WORD. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO TABLE SALT AT

ABOUT 98% BREAK DOWN. THE REST IS CHLORITE AND CHLORATE. NOT ENOUGH CHLORATE

TO EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DAILY ALLOWANCE FROM A DOSE OF MMS, AND OF COURSE, AS

MENTIONED ABOVE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE FOR 80

YEARS.

>

> Chlorine dioxide is selective in that it does not chlorinate. Both chlorine

and chlorine dioxide oxidize, but chlorine also combines with what it is

oxidizing. Chlorine dioxide is more selective in that it does not combine. This

has nothing to do with what it oxidizes. Take a whiff of chlorine dioxide gas

and you will find that it oxidizes the tissues of the lungs. It does not take a

high concentration to do this either. You run the possibility of irritating the

lungs every time you mix up a dose of MMS.

>

> AMAZING AS IT MIGHT SEEM, SILVER FOX HAS ALMOST TOLD THE TRUTH HERE AS IF YOU

BREATH WITHIN AN INCH OF A FULL STRENGTH MIXTURE OF MMS BEFORE YOU ADD WATER OR

JUICE YOU CAN RISK IRRITATING YOUR LUNGS. BUT THEN YOU ALSO RUN THE SAME RISK

WHEN YOU USE CHLOROX TO WASH YOUR CLOTHES AND THE GREATER RISK IS THE CHLOROX.

>

> If chlorine dioxide was not harmful to the body, the animal studies would

show no adverse effects. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Chlorine dioxide

was studied in humans in one study and no adverse effects were observed. The

concentration used was 5 PPM and the amount consumed was 500 ml per day for 13

weeks. If the MMS protocol limited the persons exposure to 5 PPM, and limited

the length of time to 13 weeks of exposure, I would not be having this

discussion. Unfortunately a 3 drop dose of MMS has a concentration of a little

over 300 PPM.

>

> ONCE AGAIN SILVER FOX LIES BY BEING ONLY SLIGHTLY CORRECT. YES WHEN YOU MIX 6

DROPS OF MMS AND 6 DROPS OF CITRIC ACID ACTIVATOR, THE PPM IS ABOUT 300 PPM.

THAT'S 12 DROPS OF 300 PPM. AFTER 20 SECONDS THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY TO ADD 1/2

GLASS OF WATER, AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DILUTE 12 DROPS OUT TO 1/2 GLASS

OF WATER. YOU GUESSED IT, IT DILUTES OUT TO 5 PPM. SO IT IS 300 PPM ONLY

DURING THE PREPARATION STAGE. WHICH NEVER TOUCHES THE PERSON PREPARING OR

ANYONE ELSE.

>

> Jim Humble says that chlorine dioxide has been well studied and even tested

in humans. This is correct, they did test it at 5 PPM. He goes on to say that

since it was safely tested, it is safe to use MMS. What he leaves out is that 5

PPM was found to be safe, but no humans looked at 300 PPM every hour for 8 hours

a day. Just because it is safe at 5 PPM does not mean that it is safe at 300

PPM. AS I HAVE EXPLAINED IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE THAT IS NEVER TRUE. THE PERSON

DOING THE TESTING NEVER TOUCHES THE 300 PPM UNTIL IT IS 5 PPM.

>

> Jim Humble claims he has run thousands of tests. Were are the tests showing

that he duplicated the human study using 300 PPM and there were no signs of

oxidative stress or other adverse effects?

>

> WOW, DIDN'T REALIZE I EVER SAID THAT OR EVER CLAIMED THAT I RUN THOUSANDS OF

TESTS. I CERTAINLY DON'T REMEMBER THAT. LET ME TELL YOU THE TRUTH. I NEVER

RAN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I RAN VERY FEW TESTS. I AM AN INVENTOR, NOT A

SCIENTIST. NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A SCIENTISTS. SORRY. IN SOUTH AMERICA I GOT

MALARIA, AND I DID NOTHING FOR IT FOR DAYS SO I COULD GET TO THE HOSPITAL TO

PROVE I DID HAVE MALARIA. I WAS PRETTY SICK UPON ARRIVING AT THE HOSPITAL, BUT

THEY CHECKED MY BLOOD AND VERIFIED I HAD MALARIA. I LEFT AND TOOK MY MMS RIGHT

OUT SIDE OF THE HOSPITAL. I RETURNED THE NEXT DAY TO HAVE MY BLOOD TESTED

AGAIN, AND I WAS NEGATIVE OF MALARIA. DOES THAT SOUND TO YOU LIKE I DID

THOUSANDS OF TEST. AFTER THAT I TRAVELED THROUGH THE JUNGLE PROSPECTING AND

CURING PEOPLE OF MALARIA, IT WAS ABOUT 100. PEOPLE, BUT THEY WEREN'T TESTS, THEY

WERE SICK PEOPLE WHO NEEDED HELP. DO YOU THINK I SHOULDN'T HAVE HELPED ALL

THOSE PEOPLE. DO YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE, SILVER FOX IS ASSUMING I SAID

THINGS I DIDN'T AND THEN HE IS LYING ABOUT IT.

>

> Dr. Hesselink address this. He mentions that it appears that oxidative

stress does not occur if the solution is ingested 1 - 3 times a week. Who do you

think has a better understanding of how things react inside the body... the

inventor who made the discovery, or a medical doctor who believes in it and

wants to document the proper and safe use of it?

>

> Jim Humble instructs people to add various juices to the mix to kill the

taste. Dr. Hesselink is amazed that the dose with juice in it has any effect at

all. Why? Because chlorine dioxide reacts with organic material and the colloids

in the juice use up the chlorine dioxide. The taste is more tolerable because

the amount of chlorine dioxide has been reduced. Wouldn't it make more sense

just to reduce the dose amount and use water? Jim Humble has now finally

suggested reducing the dose amount, but he hasn't stopped the juice

recommendation. While this indicates some progress, there are still people

taking MMS in an ineffective manor.

>

> WELL NOW LET ME SEE, THERE ARE ABOUT 2 MILLION USERS OF MMS AT THIS TIME.

MORE THAN 5 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE DOWNLOADED MY FREE BOOK. I HAVE PERSONALLY

TREATED MORE THAN 10 THOUSAND PEOPLE IN AFRICA, MEXICO, THE USA, EUROPE,

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. MMS IS SOLD THROUGHOUT EUROPE AND MORE THAN 100 THOUSAND

BOOKS HAVE BEEN SOLD IN GERMANY ALONE. IN FEBRUARY I JUST COMPLETE TREATING

MORE THAN 800 CASES OF HIV. THOSE CASES ALL HAD 40 CASES OF CANCER, 50 CASES OF

NUMB FEET AND LEGS, 5 CASES OF HEART DISEASE, MANY CASES OF HAP C, CASES OF

MALARIA THAT WOULDN'T GO AWAY, AND ABOUT 20 OTHER DISEASES. ALL THOSE SYMPTOMS

ARE GONE AS CHECKED BY THE LOCAL HOSPITAL. THEY ARE ALL BACK TO WORK AND TO

THEIR LIVES. ONCE A PERSON HAS HIV THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE IT IS GONE, BUT THE

FACT THAT HE IS FEELING GOOD, BACK TO HIS FAMILY, AND BACK TO HIS WORK, AND HAS

PLENTY OF ENERGY. WE DON'T CARE DO WE. ALL WE WANTED WAS TO SEE HIM WELL AND

HAPPY AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.

>

> Jim Humble claims that chlorine dioxide is absorbed into the blood stream.

Where is the test data that supports this? Since there are no instruments

available that can measure chlorine dioxide levels in the blood, and science

indicates that chlorine dioxide is broken down inside the body in seconds to

minutes, how did he come up with this idea? It sounds good on the surface, but

when you dig a little deeper it doesn't hold up. YES IT DOES, BECAUSE LOTS OF

DOCTORS SAY IT DOES. NEVER SAID IT WAS MY DATA. IT COMES FROM DOCTORS.

>

> You say that I must hate Jim Humble. I say that I love him enough to hold

him accountable for his claims.

>

> I don't put Jim Humble down. I encourage people to review the safety of

using these chemicals and help them to understand what they are dealing with.

Enough people have tried MMS to give us a good idea that it is not lethal, but I

don't think we can say that it is safe. The medical professionals indicate that

when properly used chemo and radiation therapies are safe. While I have

witnessed a few remarkable successes involving sodium chlorite, I have also

witnessed several successes of people undergoing surgery, chemo, and radiation.

I have also witnessed the failure of sodium chlorite and surgery and chemo and

radiation to work.

>

> According to Jim Humble, MMS will work against everything every time.

However, even he ended up in the hospital. Fortunately he recovered. I happen to

know that outside the body chlorine dioxide works 100% of the time. Why doesn't

it work inside the body? The key to the success of chlorine dioxide is to have a

concentration of it in contact with the pathogen for a specific period of time.

Almost all of the harmful pathogens have been tested and the amount of chlorine

dioxide needed to eliminate them has been tested and verified. However, when it

comes to the body, there is too much organic material in the body. Chlorine

dioxide reacts with this organic material and is quickly used up.

>

> That brings us full circle. There is no doubt that something works, but what

is that something, and is it really safe?

>

> I would love to be able to tell you what a safe and effective protocol would

be. However, all of the studies on safety have been done using chlorine dioxide

technology, and MMS involves activated sodium chlorite technology. There are no

studies looking at the safety of ingesting chlorous acid. I have already

indicated that the MMS activation is not as effective as the activation ratio

used in industry. However, there are some disinfecting properties associated

with citric acid. Perhaps it is the excess citric acid that is helping people...

>

> If you go back and review what I have posted, you will find that in general

I am supportive of Jim Humble. I just don't tolerate his claims that are

contrary to science and testing, and I still haven't been able to verify his

claims regarding his initial trips to Africa. Since I haven't been able to

verify Jim Humbles claims, I have looked elsewhere. The medical professionals

that use MMS state that it seems to benefit in some cases and that they use it

in conjunction with other oxidative therapies. This is a lot different from Jim

Humbles claim that it always works all of the time. The alternate cancer people

also don't seem to enjoy the same results that Jim Humble claims. The various

people on the various forums also don't seem to experience the same results that

Jim Humble claims. There are some successes, but there are a lot of others that

are not enjoying the instant, or near instant, benefit of taking a dose of MMS.

This makes perfect sense once you understand the science behind chlorine dioxide

and chlorous acid. The key is in delivering a concentration that is strong

enough to kill the pathogen, and holding it there for the correct amount of

time. There are many times when simply drinking something doesn't get the

chlorous acid to where the pathogen is.

>

> I would love to work with more people on discovering more effective

protocols. However, many people, including yourself, adopt what Jim Humble

claims and ignore what science proves. Before progress can be made, the science

and chemistry needs to be understood.

>

> Here is a test you can do to get you started. Mix up a 10 drop dose of MMS

and activate it according to the MMS protocol. Have a clean empty glass handy.

Take a mouthful of the dose into your mouth and swish it around in your mouth

for 15 - 20 seconds, then spit it out into the other glass. Now have someone

else observe if there is any chlorine dioxide odor of color to the solution you

spit out. Where did all the chlorine dioxide go? If a very strong dose doesn't

last 15 seconds in your mouth, how does chlorine dioxide get into the blood

stream?

>

> WELL I AM SORT OF TIRED OF ANSWERING ALL THIS BULL, BUT LET ME ANSWER THIS ONE

FINAL STUPID TEST THAT SILVER FOX SUGGESTS THAT YOU DO AS HE IS TOTALLY PROVING

HIMSELF WRONG. DO WHAT HE SAYS AND MAKE A DOSE AND SWISH IS AROUND IN YOUR MOUTH

AND SPIT IT OUT INTO ANOTHER GLASS. THE FIRST THING YOU MUST KNOW IS THAT

STRONG MMS CAN BE IN SOLUTION WITHOUT ANY COLOR. SECONDLY, YOU CANNOT SMELL

CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN SOLUTION. YOU ONLY SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE AIR.

THIRD, IF YOU COVER THIS SOLUTION THAT YOU SPIT OUT WITH A TIGHT COVER AND THEN

TEST IT FOR CHLORINE DIOXIDE WITH SIMPLE CHLORINE DIOXIDE INDICATOR STRIPS YOU

WILL FIND CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN IT AFTER A FULL WEEK. GO AHEAD TRY IT. AND THEN

WRITE ME. SILVER FOX HAS JUST PROVEN THAT HE IS TOTALLY WRONG.

>

> AGAIN LET ME SAY SILVER FOX IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS I DIDN'T DO THOUSANDS OF

TESTS. I'M NOT INTO TESTING. WHEN PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING I LEAVE THE DOCTORS AND

MEDICAL PEOPLE TO DO THE TESTING. PERSONALLY I TREAT THEM AND DO WHAT I KNOW TO

DO TO STOP THEIR SUFFERING. THAT'S WHY THERE ARE MORE THAN 100 THOUAND PEOPLE

ALIVE TODAY THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE. IF I HAD WAITED FOR THE TESTING,

MMS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN USED ANYWHERE. THE PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN THE

EATING, AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE 100 MILLION DOLLAR TESTING IS

DONE, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO THE EATING, AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE TRUE OF MMS AND

THERE ARE MANY OF YOU OUT THERE THAT KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.

>

> FINALLY LET ME SAY THAT THE ABOVE CAPITAL LETTER COMMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE BY

ME, JIM HUMBLE. IS SAY THAT SILVER FOX HAS NO UNDERSTANDING OF CHEMISTRY. HE

HAS INVENTED HIS OWN CHEMISTRY TO BACK HIS OWN EVIL INTENTIONS. HE HAS BY HIS

REMARKS PREVENTED MANY SUFFERING PEOPLE FROM GETTING WELL. IF THAT ISN'T EVIL I

DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

>

> JIM HUMBLE

>

> ALVIN, WRITE TO ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU.

>

> Tom

>

> --- In , " Alvin Rose " <ajroseca@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi Tom

> > Neither my terminology or chemistry is off at all..Chlorine dioxide a gas

is made

> > from sodium chlorite by adding citric acid and activated for three minutes

or more.

> > chlorine dioxide CLO2 which is the clo2 molecule at the atomic level

contains 2 ions of

> > oxygen and one ion of chlorine..The immune system uses clo2 to distroy

pathogens in the blood

> > stream...All matter is constructed of atoms..atoms are combined in various

ways to create molecules.

> > Everything you see is constructed of molecules including disease causing

pathogens..To distroy a pathogen

> > you must destroy some of the molecules..Atoms are held togeather to make

up molecules by electron

> > shells..we can destroy the molecule by removing the electron shell..This

is accomplished in nature or chemistry

> > by drawing the electron shell off of the molecule..It is called

oxidation..It is done with one of a series of chemicals

> > known as oxidizers..Oxidizers distroy other compounds and in the process

are themself changed..The electrical

> > charge of attraction of the oxidizer molecule is what draws the electron

shell away..

> > Chlorine dioxide has a oxidation of 0.95 volts..much lower then other

oxidizers used in the body and can not attack

> > body cells..it is selective for pathogens..It is the most effective killer

of pathogens known to man..

> > While chlorine dioxide is one of the weakest oxidizers, it has the highest

capacity of all oxidizers for things it can oxidize

> > One molecule can accept 5 electrons which is 2.07 times more then ozone.

> > Chlorine dioxide exists in the human body for only a few hours and then

deteriorates into plain old table salt

> > and neutral molecules of oxygen..there is nothing left in the body to

build up or cause side effects..Chlorine oxidation

> > is different..it oxidizes by combination..This is the chemistry of CL02

> > Vitamin c is an antioxidant which is used to provide oxidative stress

relief along with other nutritional supplements.

> > We take nutrition in the morning and use MMS in the evening every two

hours..so that they will not cancel each other

> > out..Tom I have seen many recoverys of the most serious diseases verified

by catscans and MRIs..These were people

> > who were terminal but now have a new life...I dont understand your Hatred

for Jim Humble as he has done a lot for

> > the lives of many people..You have posted more then 1363 messages on

CureZone ..many of which have been to

> > put down Jim Humble..You were accused of working for Big PHarma which you

have not said was not true..

> > Why don't you try to work with the MMS people to improve the protocol..I

think you have an hidden agenda but I do not

> > know what it is..It will show itself in time..If I am wrong I will

appologize without delay..I am on a number of lists you are on

> > including the Silver list, I even see you on Euromed..It is rare that I

post as I do not like arguments and fights

> > they achieve nothing..Get rid of your hate for jim humble and everything

will be good..I hope you listen to

> > my suggestions..I know a lot about other protocols as I have been doing

research since 1998

> >

>

July 8, 2010

Thank you Jim Humble for all you have done. I for one believe in your product

and I hope big phrama doesn't cover up this life saving product.

--- In , " Alvin Rose " <ajroseca@...>

wrote:

>

> From: Jim Humble

> Mark Grenon ; ajroseca@... ;

> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 16:21

> Subject: Re: Fwd: For Jim Humble can you get it to him or give me his private

email address

>

> SEE MY ANSWERS BELOW IN CAPITAL LETTERS TO SEPARATE THEM OUT FROM THE

SILVER_FOX STUPIDITY.

>

> JIM HUMBLE

>

July 8, 2010

I am certainly indebted to Jim for bringing MMS to our attention, but I'm also indebted to Tom for updating us with lab facts about it.

So here are my comments to Jim's letter:

J--NOT TRUE - CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN MANY INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE ORGANIC MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE

Seems according to

http://www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/chemical/disinfectants-chlorine-dioxide.htm that chlorine dioxide does react with organic material, which is why it can kill viruses and bacteria. From my understanding (which may be faulty) from reading the above site, chlorine dioxide is a gas and has reactions with organic matter, which can change chlorine dioxide into many different things, including chlorous acid.

J--THIS AGAIN IS DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO CHLORITE FOR ONLY A MILLISECOND. THAT'S ALL. IT THEN CONTINUES TO BREAK DOWN INTO TABLE SALT. ANYTHING THAT HAS THE .95 VOLTS TO PULL OFF THE FIRST ELECTRON ALWAYS PULLS OFF THE NEXT FOUR ELECTRONS TOO. IT NEVER REMAINS CHLORITE. CHEMICALLY IT CANNOT.

Again, though I may be reading this wrong, this agency site (government site?) talks about chlorine dioxide and chlorite, and says "Both chlorine dioxide and chlorite act quickly when they enter the body. Chlorine dioxide quickly changes to chlorite ions, which are broken down further into chloride ions. The body uses these ions for many normal purposes. Some chloride ions leave the body within hours or days, mainly in the urine. Most chlorite that is not broken down also leaves the body in the urine within a few days after exposure to chlorine dioxide or chlorite."

J--THIS IS ALL PURE BULL. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE AS IT HAS BEEN SOLD IN HEALTH FOOD STORES FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS. THE NAME HAS BEEN STABILIZED OXYGEN FOR ALL THOSE YEARS HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING IT AND NOTHING BUT GOOD RESULTS HAS BEEN REPORTED. STABILIZED OXYGEN IS SODIUM CHLORITE IN WATER AND NOTHING ELSE

This is true--but Tom wasn't talking about stabilized oxygen, which is a MUCH lower percentage of sodium chlorite/chlorine dioxide than MMS is, and that's what Tom was talking about. So Jim is talking apples while Tom is talking oranges. Therefore Jim's paragraph means nothing in relation to what Tom said.

J--CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO TABLE SALT AT ABOUT 98% BREAK DOWN. THE REST IS CHLORITE AND CHLORATE. NOT ENOUGH CHLORATE TO EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DAILY ALLOWANCE FROM A DOSE OF MMS, AND OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED ABOVE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE FOR 80 YEARS.

I could not find anything on how much of the chlorine dioxide breaks down into salt, chlorite and chlorate, only that it does break down to all 3. (from my first link: What are the disinfection byproducts of chlorine dioxide?The reaction process of chlorine dioxide with bacteria and other substances takes place in two steps. During this process disinfection byproducts are formed that remain in the water. In the first stage the chlorine dioxide molecule accepts an electron and chlorite is formed (ClO3). In the second stage chlorine dioxide accepts 4 electrons and forms chloride (Cl-). In the water some chlorate (ClO3), which is formed by the production of chlorine dioxide, can also be found. Both chlorate and chlorite are oxidizing agents. Chlorine dioxide, chlorate and chlorite dissociate into sodium chloride (NaCl).)

Still this doesn't say at what amount each one breaks down, but it seems to say all 3 break down into salt eventually. But how much of the sodium chlorite goes to salt (98%?) I have not found out.

J--YES WHEN YOU MIX 6 DROPS OF MMS AND 6 DROPS OF CITRIC ACID ACTIVATOR, THE PPM IS ABOUT 300 PPM. THAT'S 12 DROPS OF 300 PPM. AFTER 20 SECONDS THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY TO ADD 1/2 GLASS OF WATER, AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DILUTE 12 DROPS OUT TO 1/2 GLASS OF WATER. YOU GUESSED IT, IT DILUTES OUT TO 5 PPM. SO IT IS 300 PPM ONLY DURING THE PREPARATION STAGE. WHICH NEVER TOUCHES THE PERSON PREPARING OR ANYONE ELSE.

Ok--true. But, Jim is not addressing the fact that he did tell people to mix up MMS and citric and put it into capsules and take it that way--no water involved. I wonder what the ppm of that would be? Seems like it would be 300. Again, they need to be talking about the same thing (and Jim is mistaken about the 20 seconds because he says to wait 3 minutes, though I will give Jim the benefit of the doubt and say he was in a hurry when writing this and he MEANT to say 3 minutes)

J--WOW, DIDN'T REALIZE I EVER SAID THAT OR EVER CLAIMED THAT I RUN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I NEVER RAN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I RAN VERY FEW TESTS

Well of course he said he ran thousands of tests. What about the hospitals and the prison inmates he said they tested MMS on? He was always saying he needed money to get back to AFRICA (not south America) to run more tests and set up clinics. So--now he's differentiating between tests and "simply helping sick people, which isn't testing". Hmmm, it's one or the other. If he's basing those "100" cases of malarial people in south America as the only reason he's advocated MMS, what happened to all his African cases? Were they simply sick people he was helping, or were they tests done at hospitals?

J--I HAVE PERSONALLY TREATED MORE THAN 10 THOUSAND PEOPLE IN AFRICA, MEXICO, THE USA, EUROPE, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

Ah, so these aren't tests at all. He's helping sick people. Ok, I see said the blind man. He gets to make words agree with his thought of the moment.

J--YES IT DOES, BECAUSE LOTS OF DOCTORS SAY IT DOES. NEVER SAID IT WAS MY DATA. IT COMES FROM DOCTORS.

I found this at the first link I sent: Is there a Medical Test To DETERMINE WHETHER I HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO CHLORINE DIOXIDE AND CHLORITE?

Although no medical tests are available to Determine whether you have been exposed to Chlorine dioxide or chlorite, exposure to very large Amounts may result in damage to red blood cells That can be observed through routine blood tests

So it's not that the chlorine dioxide can be found in the blood, but damaged cells from too much chlorine dioxide will be seen, again--if I'm reading this right.

Also found at www.patientsville.com/toxic/chlorine-dioxide.htm :

Is there a medical test to show whether I've been exposed to chlorine dioxide and chlorite?

There are no routine medical tests available to measure chlorine dioxide or chlorite in the body. There is a special test to measure chlorite in tissues, blood, urine, and feces, but the test cannot tell the extent of the exposure or whether harmful effects will occur.

J--THE FIRST THING YOU MUST KNOW IS THAT STRONG MMS CAN BE IN SOLUTION WITHOUT ANY COLOR

Well, his test to see if your bottle of MMS was still viable was to activate it and it should turn yellowish and smell of chlorine. He should have said, then, that it could still be ok if there was no color at all. Perhaps he said this, but I don't remember that part. I remember he said it should turn yellowish and smell of chlorine. Maybe if someone has that part in his book they can tell us what his book said about this.

J--SECONDLY, YOU CANNOT SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN SOLUTION. YOU ONLY SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE AIR.

Goodness, how can you smell solution? We cannot breath under liquid, so of course you could only smell it in the air. That sentence of his didn't make any sense!!

J--THIRD, IF YOU COVER THIS SOLUTION THAT YOU SPIT OUT WITH A TIGHT COVER AND THEN TEST IT FOR CHLORINE DIOXIDE WITH SIMPLE CHLORINE DIOXIDE INDICATOR STRIPS YOU WILL FIND CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN IT AFTER A FULL WEEK. GO AHEAD TRY IT. AND THEN WRITE ME. SILVER FOX HAS JUST PROVEN THAT HE IS TOTALLY WRONG.

Well this would certainly be a good test. If anyone tries it, do let us know.

I can understand how Jim would feel that people that caution about the use of MMS to be attacking him. But all I can say is that I caution people about a few things that Jim doesn't. I know people who are positive that MMS strips C from the heart--or bothers the heart (via personal experience), and I know there are people that are sure (via personal experience) that MMS kills good bacteria along with the bad in the gut and causes problems. And personally I don't care if Jim likes it that I caution my people about these things, because I will not have it on my conscious that I didn't tell them and they were hurt by lack of this knowledge. We are all adults and should do research for ourselves without taking ANYONE'S word. There indeed have been many people that have been helped by Jim's original method--me for one. But even Jim has changed his method to suit more people because his original method was just too hard (read illness making) for many people.

If Tom's method means people still get cured only over a longer period of time, but by being gentler on the body, then I'm all for it--though if it was an emergency I would certainly revert back to Jim's method for a few days. I try to be flexible and like knowing all my options. I never did agree that Jim's promotion of daily use of MMS as a preventative, for years at a time, was a good thing to do. Jim doesn't seem to realize that just because HE can use MMS that way doesn't mean that everyone can. He went on about using AMMS daily as a tooth and mouth rinse. I did it and in 3 weeks the pain in my teeth were so bad I had to stop, and it took 3 weeks to recover. Yes, it did TOTALLY clear up a tooth infection I had, but as I continued to use it, it ate away my enamel, making my teeth hurt even when I wasn't chewing.

These are the things I warn people about. And if Jim feels that's an attack on him and his method, oh well. I'm not willing to tell people--here, take this and it will never hurt you in any way--which is basically what Jim says. I've personally experienced the opposite and know others that have experienced the opposite.

I do believe that MMS should be in every household. But I will always continue to caution people about the safe use of MMS, no matter that it contradicts Jim and his methods. I have to be honest about what I and others have experienced.

And I have NOT found Tom's information to be dis-info, or a slam against Jim or MMS. I have found it to be extremely helpful and supportive of safe use of sodium chlorite. There are many people that can use Jim's full protocol, willing to go through terrible detox and have come out the other side healthy again. That's wonderful. But there are just as many that could not tolerate that protocol. And yet, perhaps they can tolerate Tom's protocol and will also come out the other side healthy. Isn't there room for both methods?

Why this constant bickering? I don't get it. There's no one saying don't use MMS at all. There's the full strength method and a low strength method. That's how I see it. And just as there are 2 methods, there are 2 different types of people--the ones strong enough for the full strength method and the ones that are much more sensitive that can use the low strength method. Why is this a problem? Some people need 2000grams of C a day to stay healthy and before getting diarrhea and others need 6000 grams a day to stay healthy before getting diarrhea. Each person is different, with different needs and different TOLERANCES. Simple. Do what is best for YOU. But please stop arguing about what MMS protocol is best. If someone doesn't like Tom's method, simply put his name on your blocked sender list and you never have to read another post by him. But stop trying to say he's a stooge of big pharma. I for one am getting tired of this and I'm sure others are too. Pick a method and stick with it because it works for YOU, and give others that same option. Everyone should stop trying to censor other's opinions simply because it doesn't agree with your opinion. This is not a Jim Humble list (there was one made especially for that, that anyone can go join) but an MMS list, which means talking about MMS in any form and method of use.

Samala,

July 8, 2010

I’m

just wondering about the bio film issue. Below it says can also prevent bio

film formation so maybe long term, ie, daily preventative, might keep the bio

film from reforming after initial treatment with mms.

Can chlorine dioxide be used against bio film?

Chlorine dioxide remains gaseous in solution. The chlorine dioxide molecule is

powerful and has the ability to go through the entire system. Chlorine dioxide

can penetrate the slime layers of bacteria, because chlorine dioxide easily

dissolves, even in hydrocarbons and emulsions. Chlorine dioxide oxidizes the

polysaccharide matrix that keeps the bio film

together. During this reaction chlorine dioxide is reduced to chlorite ions.

These are divided up into pieces of bio film that remain steady. When the bio

film starts to grow again, an acid environment is formed and the chlorite ions

are transformed into chlorine dioxide. This chlorine dioxide removes the

remaining bio film.

Chlorine dioxide is a powerful

disinfectant for bacteria and viruses. The byproduct, chlorite (ClO2-),

is a weak bactericidal agent. In water chlorine dioxide is active as a biocide

for at least 48 hours, its activity probably outranges that of chlorine.

Chlorine dioxide prevents the growth of bacteria in the drinking water

distribution network. It is also active against the formation of bio film in

the distribution network. Bio film is usually hard to defeat. It forms a

protective layer over pathogenic microorganisms. Most disinfectants cannot

reach those protected pathogens. However, chlorine dioxide removes bio films

and kills pathogenic microorganisms. Chlorine dioxide also prevent bio film

formation, because it remains active in the system for a long time.

Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/chemical/disinfectants-chlorine-dioxide.htm#ixzz0t3QF5F3l

Does chlorine dioxide form byproducts?

Chlorine dioxide and its disinfection byproducts chlorite and chlorate can

create problems for dialysis patients.

Is chlorine dioxide

effective?

Chlorine dioxide is generally effective for the deactivation of pathogenic

microorganisms. It is less effective for the deactivation of rotaviruses and E.

coli bacteria.

Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/chemical/disinfectants-chlorine-dioxide.htm#ixzz0t3QP8TPh

July 8, 2010

I thought I’d add my two cents here.

I have been using MMS1 for about 1 and ½ years at a fairly

consistent rate. I have experimented to

find what is best for my body. I think that is key as all of our bodies are different in how they handle

substances we ingest.

What I settled on has worked wonders for me. I have not had a cold during that time. I have not had the flu. Once or twice I felt as if something was

attacking my body but it went away quickly.

I have been using from 3 to 5 drops twice a day for that time period

fairly consistently.

I used to get a severe sore throat at least once a year and

it would “hang on” for about a week or so. Since I have been taking MMS1, only one sore throat

that lasted a couple of days. I used topically

it on two moles. One went away completely.

The other is almost gone.

I understand where Jim is coming from. I don’t need lab test to tell me

this is working. I don’t decry lab tests. I think there is enough evidence to show that

this works, is harmless when taken using protocols that have been proven, and

saves lives. With this much evidence, time

for testing is over. Time for helping

people is at hand. The only thing I can

see that might disagree with that is someone or some organization that is

afraid of the effectiveness of this substance.

What else?

July 8, 2010

The only

thing I can see that might disagree with that is someone or some organization

that is afraid of the effectiveness of this substance. What else?

I’m

not sure it you are just making a generic comment or part of the Tom works for

big pharma crew. For that matter some here think I do to. After ’s

post can we toss her name into the pot? , I’ve seen a few

fingers pointed at you. Carole dares to question…I think she’s

one too.

This kind

of mindset used to be more common on health forums. It’s not a new

theme but I haven’t seen it surface to this degree in a long long time.

I don’t think big pharma gives a wit about us…we, with this kind of

mind set, are our own worst enemy. Anyone thinking that our little group where

we sling slander of pharma whores give big pharma any kind of worries really is

living in some kind of delusional state of self aggrandizement. We gather

around, whisper conspiracy, point fingers as we carry out our witch hunts.

We live in constant fear of ‘them’ and that fear is what gives ‘them’

their power. They don’t have to do a damn thing to us because we

are so skilled at doing it to ourselves.

He who is

afraid of a thing gives it power over him. (Moorish Proverb)

But as

so beautifully said

This is not a Jim Humble

list (there was one made especially for that, that anyone can go join) but an

MMS list, which means talking about MMS in any form and method of use.

Samala,

Fear

always springs from ignorance. (Ralph Waldo Emerson, 1803-1882 American Poet

Essayist)

So for

those of you that want to talk conspiracy, want to spend your time pointing

fingers, looking for traitors… has a new forum and you would find kinship

there.

http://tech./group/Humble_MMS/

Description

This group is for discussing and sharing our

experiences with Jim Humble’s MMS--miracle mineral supplement. Jim has

been using MMS1 and MMS2 to cure the worst diseases of Africa, such as

Malaria, AIDS, Cancer and many other conditions. I do not have any

association with Jim at all but I do take his accomplishments and reports

seriously.

NO MEDICAL ADVICE IS AVAILABLE HERE. However, we have a 1st Amendment right

to discuss our experiences and research. We also all have a right to make our

own health decisions, take our own risks and pursue our own research.

Most or all of the other online groups dedicated to MMS appear to be under

the control or heavy influence of pharma trolls, paid professional writers

hired by big pharma to influence online groups. This group will be different,

pharma trolls will not be allowed here.

We will strive for a supportive atmosphere here where we can find

encouragement to make our own decisions.

Harrah

Dedicated to the Most High

July 8, 2010

Graig Thanks for your 2 cents worth, like you I have used mms long term with

only positive benefits. I also do not need lab test for the results I have had.

2 years ago my life was next to gone, I had lyme and was very ill with little or

no help from the medical community. Now my life is full again and health

regained, for that I will always be indebted.

>

> I thought I'd add my two cents here.

>

> I have been using MMS1 for about 1 and ½ years at a fairly consistent rate.

> I have experimented to find what is best for my body. I think that is key as

> all of our bodies are different in how they handle substances we ingest.

>

> What I settled on has worked wonders for me. I have not had a cold during

> that time. I have not had the flu. Once or twice I felt as if something

> was attacking my body but it went away quickly. I have been using from 3 to

> 5 drops twice a day for that time period fairly consistently.

>

> I used to get a severe sore throat at least once a year and it would " hang

> on " for about a week or so. Since I have been taking MMS1, only one sore

> throat that lasted a couple of days. I used topically it on two moles. One

> went away completely. The other is almost gone.

>

> I understand where Jim is coming from. I don't need lab test to tell me

> this is working. I don't decry lab tests. I think there is enough

> evidence to show that this works, is harmless when taken using protocols

> that have been proven, and saves lives. With this much evidence, time for

> testing is over. Time for helping people is at hand. The only thing I can

> see that might disagree with that is someone or some organization that is

> afraid of the effectiveness of this substance. What else?

>

July 8, 2010

Thank you . Finally some sanity! I hope everyone reads your post CAREFULLY and takes it to heart.

From: <gaiacita@...> Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 12:03:03 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Reply from Jim Humble

I am certainly indebted to Jim for bringing MMS to our attention, but I'm also indebted to Tom for updating us with lab facts about it.

So here are my comments to Jim's letter:

J--NOT TRUE - CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN MANY INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE ORGANIC MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE

Seems according to

http://www.lenntech .com/processes/ disinfection/ chemical/ disinfectants- chlorine- dioxide.htm that chlorine dioxide does react with organic material, which is why it can kill viruses and bacteria. From my understanding (which may be faulty) from reading the above site, chlorine dioxide is a gas and has reactions with organic matter, which can change chlorine dioxide into many different things, including chlorous acid.