Re: Reply from Jim Humble

July 9, 2010

You make your own liposomal Vitamin C ? Tell me more.

Carole in OzEideann & Fionn (Tristania GSDs)carole@...www.berigorafarm.com.au

Hey Alvin. I have not made any lipoC yet, though I did buy the sonic machine to do so. I have purchased some Livon Labs C and will go through that first before making my own, but I have only heard good things about home made stuff. Much cheaper than commercial.

You might also want to look into magnets. I prefer to use the method by Kulish at www.biomagscience.net. If nothing else, get his book and other good magnets and follow the protocol in his book. His book is used as the curriculum for the schools in Japan where healing with magnets is taught. Which says a lot considering they've used magnets to heal for hundreds of years, yet find his method best! If you sign up for his newsletter he usually has some good sales once a month. I suggest his full wellness kit, but as I said--just the book, for $15 is a great investment.

Then the next thing I advocate is the low level radiation stones which can be found at www.nighthawkminerals.com Jay is now considered the world expert on healing with low level radiation and scientists from all over the world consult with him, doctors too.

Since both these things are one time investments I feel they are totally worth the money. They can be passed down to kids as they last forever.

I'm very interested in machines. I'm looking into getting parts to build an MWO--multi-wave oscillator. I tried one out on my dog that was having terrible arthritis pain, and it was the only thing that helped her out of everything else that I knew how to do--and believe me, I know how to do a LOT. Nothing else even came close to the MWO. Thought it wasn't an over night cure, it would at least give her a few hours respite from the pain, when nothing else would.

You have a Rife machine? Cool. I've heard of the EMEM but not quite sure what they do, exactly. I'd love to have a homeopathic remedy maker--the radionics type. I've been looking at homeopathy for a while and though true homeopathy is quite complex, the general stuff works great too. I make flower essences from Texas Native flowers. I love how essences work--which, since being vibratory, work along the lines of homeopathy.

And you are right--it's best to combine protocols. I almost never rely on just one for anything. I usually combine the physical stuff with EFT, DMT, Emotion Code, that sort of thing.

There's so many great things out there now. And it's important for people to learn about these easy ways of gaining and maintaining health. As you say--medical care now is out of the reach of many, and if things continue this way, will be not available for anyone except the very rich.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I am a retired Electronics engineer...been in research since 1998

MMS works as good or better then anything else I have used..The Idea is to use and combine a number

of protocols togeather to eliminate any disease

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July 9, 2010

SEE IF WE CAN BUY IT CHEAPER FROM THEM

From: Carole <carole@...> Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 3:04:36 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Reply from Jim Humble

You make your own liposomal Vitamin C ? Tell me more.

Carole in OzEideann & Fionn (Tristania GSDs)carole@berigorafarm .com.auwww.berigorafarm. com.au

Hey Alvin. I have not made any lipoC yet, though I did buy the sonic machine to do so. I have purchased some Livon Labs C and will go through that first before making my own, but I have only heard good things about home made stuff. Much cheaper than commercial.

You might also want to look into magnets. I prefer to use the method by Kulish at www.biomagscience. net. If nothing else, get his book and other good magnets and follow the protocol in his book. His book is used as the curriculum for the schools in Japan where healing with magnets is taught. Which says a lot considering they've used magnets to heal for hundreds of years, yet find his method best! If you sign up for his newsletter he usually has some good sales once a month. I suggest his full wellness kit, but as I said--just the book, for $15 is a great investment.

Then the next thing I advocate is the low level radiation stones which can be found at www.nighthawkminera ls.com Jay is now considered the world expert on healing with low level radiation and scientists from all over the world consult with him, doctors too.

Since both these things are one time investments I feel they are totally worth the money. They can be passed down to kids as they last forever.

I'm very interested in machines. I'm looking into getting parts to build an MWO--multi-wave oscillator. I tried one out on my dog that was having terrible arthritis pain, and it was the only thing that helped her out of everything else that I knew how to do--and believe me, I know how to do a LOT. Nothing else even came close to the MWO. Thought it wasn't an over night cure, it would at least give her a few hours respite from the pain, when nothing else would.

You have a Rife machine? Cool. I've heard of the EMEM but not quite sure what they do, exactly. I'd love to have a homeopathic remedy maker--the radionics type. I've been looking at homeopathy for a while and though true homeopathy is quite complex, the general stuff works great too. I make flower essences from Texas Native flowers. I love how essences work--which, since being vibratory, work along the lines of homeopathy.

And you are right--it's best to combine protocols. I almost never rely on just one for anything. I usually combine the physical stuff with EFT, DMT, Emotion Code, that sort of thing.

There's so many great things out there now. And it's important for people to learn about these easy ways of gaining and maintaining health. As you say--medical care now is out of the reach of many, and if things continue this way, will be not available for anyone except the very rich.

Samala,

-------Original Message----- --

I am a retired Electronics engineer...been in research since 1998

MMS works as good or better then anything else I have used..The Idea is to use and combine a number

of protocols togeather to eliminate any disease

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July 9, 2010

Whew--lots of info on that. I will send it to you off group because it's not about MMS--though at one point someone said they were going to try encapsulating MMS, but I don't see as how that would do any good. <shrug>

But lipoC is lecithin and vit C blended together and placed in a sonic jewelry cleaner. End result is something that is about 50% of the strength of Livon Labs Lipo C. So you have to take twice as much, but--at less than half cost. The purchased LipoC is pretty expensive, but good. If I were really sick I'd spring for that, but for anything else, many people are having great results with the home made LipoC.

They now have many encapsulated supplements and are all suppose to be very powerful. It will be the 'new' delivery system. It simply needs to come down in price so that more people will be able to afford it. That's why making your own is so great--you can afford to make it and take as much as you want.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

You make your own liposomal Vitamin C ? Tell me more.

July 10, 2010

Tom et al!I have been in the background all the while trying to know the best protocols to prescribe safely. As I read your 'epistle', it was going through my mind that a lady that I had helped with MMS2 reading your piece will 'not forgive' you for the 'slander' on Jim.This lady claims she's been poisoned since 2 years ago, and has tried all sorts of conventional medical treatments, to no avail! She has an ankle swollen almost 3 times the size of normal! I gave 20 caps of MMS2 to use twice per day and later thrice/day. This was repeated and all treatment took 3 weeks. Even me could not believe the result: the ankle shrunk completely to almost below normal size, such that the

skin was dangling!I have also helped about 5 people with MMS1 on tooth problems; and the results have also almost been magical!EVEN AS IT IS, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS, IF AND ONLY IF THEY ARE DONE IN GOOD FAITH; and I believe we can only leave you to your conscience! Best Regards,Remi (Nigeria)From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 6:52:40 PMSubject: [ ] Re: Reply from Jim Humble

Well, I guess I will address this to Jim Humble.

Hello Jim,

First of all I am surprised that you resort to name calling. I would think that someone in your position would behave themselves in a more dignified fashion...

Finally, you shed the truth on the matter. In your book, on page 27 you said

"...I did more than 1,000 different tests over a period of one year..."

Tom

> Jim, I'm forwarding this to you.

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> From: Alvin Rose <ajroseca@...>

> Date: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:44 PM

> Subject: For Jim Humble can you get it to him or give me his private email address

> Jim Humble

>

> Hi Jim

> this is a email I sent to Silver_fox Science as he is a heavy critic

> of MMS on many group sites..I told him he is with Big Pharma

> and I get no denial..Could you send me an email with your comments to set the findings right...

>

> Hello Alvin,

>

> That explains it. Your chemistry is off.

>

> Chlorine dioxide is a gas. Period.

>

> Sodium chlorite is a stable form of chlorine dioxide. It has an alkaline PH and it releases chlorine dioxide as its PH is lowered.

>

> The immune system can't utilize chlorine dioxide because chlorine dioxide doesn't exist for any length of time inside the body. It is too unstable and there are too may organic materials in the body that it reacts with. Industry would love to have a way to determine how much chlorine dioxide exposure someone has had. However, since chlorine dioxide doesn't exist inside the body, they look at oxidative damage and chlorite concentration.

>

> NOT TRUE - CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN MANY INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE ORGANIC MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE.

>

> The breakdown of chlorine dioxide to chlorite does have an oxidation potential of 0.95 volts, and it involves the chlorine dioxide gas loosing 1 electron and forming chlorite. Chlorite is what has the half life of some 40 hours inside the body, and is found in all the organs in the body including the brain. Keep in mind that it still has 4 electrons to oxidize with.

>

> THIS AGAIN IS DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO CHLORITE FOR ONLY A MILLISECOND. THAT'S ALL. IT THEN CONTINUES TO BREAK DOWN INTO TABLE SALT. ANYTHING THAT HAS THE .95 VOLTS TO PULL OFF THE FIRST ELECTRON ALWAYS PULLS OFF THE NEXT FOUR ELECTRONS TOO. IT NEVER REMAINS CHLORITE. CHEMICALLY IT CANNOT.

>

> Chlorite causes oxidative stress to the organs in the body, and to the blood. That is why there are closely regulated limits on the amount of chlorite left in water after purification. The chlorite is formed when the chlorine dioxide breaks down. The extended half life allows for plenty of time to oxidize whatever it comes into contact with inside the body. This is also why the Canadian government came down hard on people supplying sodium chlorite for water purification. The directions they provided resulted in chlorite concentrations in excess of what is allowed and what is considered safe.

>

> THIS IS ALL PURE BULL. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE AS IT HAS BEEN SOLD IN HEALTH FOOD STORES FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS. THE NAME HAS BEEN STABILIZED OXYGEN FOR ALL THOSE YEARS HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING IT AND NOTHING BUT GOOD RESULTS HAS BEEN REPORTED. STABILIZED OXYGEN IS SODIUM CHLORITE IN WATER AND NOTHING ELSE. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOUR SELF. MOST HEALTH FOOD STORES STILL SELL IT. SILVER FOX KNOWS THIS AND IS SIMPLY LYING TO THE PUBLIC. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF, GO TO ANY HEALTH FOOD STORE.

>

> As the chlorite breaks down, some chlorate is formed and also some chloride, but about 70% of the chlorine dioxide leaves the body through urine as chlorite. Chlorite is a lot different from common table salt.

>

> NOT TRUE- AGAIN. THIS DOES NOT FIT THE CHEMISTRY. CHECK WITH THE NEAREST UNIVERSITY, DON'T TAKE MY WORD. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO TABLE SALT AT ABOUT 98% BREAK DOWN. THE REST IS CHLORITE AND CHLORATE. NOT ENOUGH CHLORATE TO EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DAILY ALLOWANCE FROM A DOSE OF MMS, AND OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED ABOVE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE FOR 80 YEARS.

>

> Chlorine dioxide is selective in that it does not chlorinate. Both chlorine and chlorine dioxide oxidize, but chlorine also combines with what it is oxidizing. Chlorine dioxide is more selective in that it does not combine. This has nothing to do with what it oxidizes. Take a whiff of chlorine dioxide gas and you will find that it oxidizes the tissues of the lungs. It does not take a high concentration to do this either. You run the possibility of irritating the lungs every time you mix up a dose of MMS.

>

> AMAZING AS IT MIGHT SEEM, SILVER FOX HAS ALMOST TOLD THE TRUTH HERE AS IF YOU BREATH WITHIN AN INCH OF A FULL STRENGTH MIXTURE OF MMS BEFORE YOU ADD WATER OR JUICE YOU CAN RISK IRRITATING YOUR LUNGS. BUT THEN YOU ALSO RUN THE SAME RISK WHEN YOU USE CHLOROX TO WASH YOUR CLOTHES AND THE GREATER RISK IS THE CHLOROX.

>

> If chlorine dioxide was not harmful to the body, the animal studies would show no adverse effects. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Chlorine dioxide was studied in humans in one study and no adverse effects were observed. The concentration used was 5 PPM and the amount consumed was 500 ml per day for 13 weeks. If the MMS protocol limited the persons exposure to 5 PPM, and limited the length of time to 13 weeks of exposure, I would not be having this discussion. Unfortunately a 3 drop dose of MMS has a concentration of a little over 300 PPM.

>

> ONCE AGAIN SILVER FOX LIES BY BEING ONLY SLIGHTLY CORRECT. YES WHEN YOU MIX 6 DROPS OF MMS AND 6 DROPS OF CITRIC ACID ACTIVATOR, THE PPM IS ABOUT 300 PPM. THAT'S 12 DROPS OF 300 PPM. AFTER 20 SECONDS THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY TO ADD 1/2 GLASS OF WATER, AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DILUTE 12 DROPS OUT TO 1/2 GLASS OF WATER. YOU GUESSED IT, IT DILUTES OUT TO 5 PPM. SO IT IS 300 PPM ONLY DURING THE PREPARATION STAGE. WHICH NEVER TOUCHES THE PERSON PREPARING OR ANYONE ELSE.

>

> Jim Humble says that chlorine dioxide has been well studied and even tested in humans. This is correct, they did test it at 5 PPM. He goes on to say that since it was safely tested, it is safe to use MMS. What he leaves out is that 5 PPM was found to be safe, but no humans looked at 300 PPM every hour for 8 hours a day. Just because it is safe at 5 PPM does not mean that it is safe at 300 PPM. AS I HAVE EXPLAINED IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE THAT IS NEVER TRUE. THE PERSON DOING THE TESTING NEVER TOUCHES THE 300 PPM UNTIL IT IS 5 PPM.

>

> Jim Humble claims he has run thousands of tests. Were are the tests showing that he duplicated the human study using 300 PPM and there were no signs of oxidative stress or other adverse effects?

>

> WOW, DIDN'T REALIZE I EVER SAID THAT OR EVER CLAIMED THAT I RUN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I CERTAINLY DON'T REMEMBER THAT. LET ME TELL YOU THE TRUTH. I NEVER RAN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I RAN VERY FEW TESTS. I AM AN INVENTOR, NOT A SCIENTIST. NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A SCIENTISTS. SORRY. IN SOUTH AMERICA I GOT MALARIA, AND I DID NOTHING FOR IT FOR DAYS SO I COULD GET TO THE HOSPITAL TO PROVE I DID HAVE MALARIA. I WAS PRETTY SICK UPON ARRIVING AT THE HOSPITAL, BUT THEY CHECKED MY BLOOD AND VERIFIED I HAD MALARIA. I LEFT AND TOOK MY MMS RIGHT OUT SIDE OF THE HOSPITAL. I RETURNED THE NEXT DAY TO HAVE MY BLOOD TESTED AGAIN, AND I WAS NEGATIVE OF MALARIA. DOES THAT SOUND TO YOU LIKE I DID THOUSANDS OF TEST. AFTER THAT I TRAVELED THROUGH THE JUNGLE PROSPECTING AND CURING PEOPLE OF MALARIA, IT WAS ABOUT 100. PEOPLE, BUT THEY WEREN'T TESTS, THEY WERE SICK PEOPLE WHO NEEDED HELP. DO YOU THINK I SHOULDN'T HAVE HELPED ALL THOSE PEOPLE. DO YOU SEE WHAT IS

HAPPENING HERE, SILVER FOX IS ASSUMING I SAID THINGS I DIDN'T AND THEN HE IS LYING ABOUT IT.

>

> Dr. Hesselink address this. He mentions that it appears that oxidative stress does not occur if the solution is ingested 1 - 3 times a week. Who do you think has a better understanding of how things react inside the body... the inventor who made the discovery, or a medical doctor who believes in it and wants to document the proper and safe use of it?

>

> Jim Humble instructs people to add various juices to the mix to kill the taste. Dr. Hesselink is amazed that the dose with juice in it has any effect at all. Why? Because chlorine dioxide reacts with organic material and the colloids in the juice use up the chlorine dioxide. The taste is more tolerable because the amount of chlorine dioxide has been reduced. Wouldn't it make more sense just to reduce the dose amount and use water? Jim Humble has now finally suggested reducing the dose amount, but he hasn't stopped the juice recommendation. While this indicates some progress, there are still people taking MMS in an ineffective manor.

>

> WELL NOW LET ME SEE, THERE ARE ABOUT 2 MILLION USERS OF MMS AT THIS TIME. MORE THAN 5 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE DOWNLOADED MY FREE BOOK. I HAVE PERSONALLY TREATED MORE THAN 10 THOUSAND PEOPLE IN AFRICA, MEXICO, THE USA, EUROPE, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. MMS IS SOLD THROUGHOUT EUROPE AND MORE THAN 100 THOUSAND BOOKS HAVE BEEN SOLD IN GERMANY ALONE. IN FEBRUARY I JUST COMPLETE TREATING MORE THAN 800 CASES OF HIV. THOSE CASES ALL HAD 40 CASES OF CANCER, 50 CASES OF NUMB FEET AND LEGS, 5 CASES OF HEART DISEASE, MANY CASES OF HAP C, CASES OF MALARIA THAT WOULDN'T GO AWAY, AND ABOUT 20 OTHER DISEASES. ALL THOSE SYMPTOMS ARE GONE AS CHECKED BY THE LOCAL HOSPITAL. THEY ARE ALL BACK TO WORK AND TO THEIR LIVES. ONCE A PERSON HAS HIV THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE IT IS GONE, BUT THE FACT THAT HE IS FEELING GOOD, BACK TO HIS FAMILY, AND BACK TO HIS WORK, AND HAS PLENTY OF ENERGY. WE DON'T CARE DO WE. ALL WE WANTED WAS TO SEE HIM WELL AND HAPPY AND THAT IS WHAT

HAPPENED.

>

> Jim Humble claims that chlorine dioxide is absorbed into the blood stream. Where is the test data that supports this? Since there are no instruments available that can measure chlorine dioxide levels in the blood, and science indicates that chlorine dioxide is broken down inside the body in seconds to minutes, how did he come up with this idea? It sounds good on the surface, but when you dig a little deeper it doesn't hold up. YES IT DOES, BECAUSE LOTS OF DOCTORS SAY IT DOES. NEVER SAID IT WAS MY DATA. IT COMES FROM DOCTORS.

>

> You say that I must hate Jim Humble. I say that I love him enough to hold him accountable for his claims.

>

> I don't put Jim Humble down. I encourage people to review the safety of using these chemicals and help them to understand what they are dealing with. Enough people have tried MMS to give us a good idea that it is not lethal, but I don't think we can say that it is safe. The medical professionals indicate that when properly used chemo and radiation therapies are safe. While I have witnessed a few remarkable successes involving sodium chlorite, I have also witnessed several successes of people undergoing surgery, chemo, and radiation. I have also witnessed the failure of sodium chlorite and surgery and chemo and radiation to work.

>

> According to Jim Humble, MMS will work against everything every time. However, even he ended up in the hospital. Fortunately he recovered. I happen to know that outside the body chlorine dioxide works 100% of the time. Why doesn't it work inside the body? The key to the success of chlorine dioxide is to have a concentration of it in contact with the pathogen for a specific period of time. Almost all of the harmful pathogens have been tested and the amount of chlorine dioxide needed to eliminate them has been tested and verified. However, when it comes to the body, there is too much organic material in the body. Chlorine dioxide reacts with this organic material and is quickly used up.

>

> That brings us full circle. There is no doubt that something works, but what is that something, and is it really safe?

>

> I would love to be able to tell you what a safe and effective protocol would be. However, all of the studies on safety have been done using chlorine dioxide technology, and MMS involves activated sodium chlorite technology. There are no studies looking at the safety of ingesting chlorous acid. I have already indicated that the MMS activation is not as effective as the activation ratio used in industry. However, there are some disinfecting properties associated with citric acid. Perhaps it is the excess citric acid that is helping people...

>

> If you go back and review what I have posted, you will find that in general I am supportive of Jim Humble. I just don't tolerate his claims that are contrary to science and testing, and I still haven't been able to verify his claims regarding his initial trips to Africa. Since I haven't been able to verify Jim Humbles claims, I have looked elsewhere. The medical professionals that use MMS state that it seems to benefit in some cases and that they use it in conjunction with other oxidative therapies. This is a lot different from Jim Humbles claim that it always works all of the time. The alternate cancer people also don't seem to enjoy the same results that Jim Humble claims. The various people on the various forums also don't seem to experience the same results that Jim Humble claims. There are some successes, but there are a lot of others that are not enjoying the instant, or near instant, benefit of taking a dose of MMS. This makes perfect sense

once you understand the science behind chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid. The key is in delivering a concentration that is strong enough to kill the pathogen, and holding it there for the correct amount of time. There are many times when simply drinking something doesn't get the chlorous acid to where the pathogen is.

>

> I would love to work with more people on discovering more effective protocols. However, many people, including yourself, adopt what Jim Humble claims and ignore what science proves. Before progress can be made, the science and chemistry needs to be understood.

>

> Here is a test you can do to get you started. Mix up a 10 drop dose of MMS and activate it according to the MMS protocol. Have a clean empty glass handy. Take a mouthful of the dose into your mouth and swish it around in your mouth for 15 - 20 seconds, then spit it out into the other glass. Now have someone else observe if there is any chlorine dioxide odor of color to the solution you spit out. Where did all the chlorine dioxide go? If a very strong dose doesn't last 15 seconds in your mouth, how does chlorine dioxide get into the blood stream?

>

> WELL I AM SORT OF TIRED OF ANSWERING ALL THIS BULL, BUT LET ME ANSWER THIS ONE FINAL STUPID TEST THAT SILVER FOX SUGGESTS THAT YOU DO AS HE IS TOTALLY PROVING HIMSELF WRONG. DO WHAT HE SAYS AND MAKE A DOSE AND SWISH IS AROUND IN YOUR MOUTH AND SPIT IT OUT INTO ANOTHER GLASS. THE FIRST THING YOU MUST KNOW IS THAT STRONG MMS CAN BE IN SOLUTION WITHOUT ANY COLOR. SECONDLY, YOU CANNOT SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN SOLUTION. YOU ONLY SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE AIR. THIRD, IF YOU COVER THIS SOLUTION THAT YOU SPIT OUT WITH A TIGHT COVER AND THEN TEST IT FOR CHLORINE DIOXIDE WITH SIMPLE CHLORINE DIOXIDE INDICATOR STRIPS YOU WILL FIND CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN IT AFTER A FULL WEEK. GO AHEAD TRY IT. AND THEN WRITE ME. SILVER FOX HAS JUST PROVEN THAT HE IS TOTALLY WRONG.

>

> AGAIN LET ME SAY SILVER FOX IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS I DIDN'T DO THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I'M NOT INTO TESTING. WHEN PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING I LEAVE THE DOCTORS AND MEDICAL PEOPLE TO DO THE TESTING. PERSONALLY I TREAT THEM AND DO WHAT I KNOW TO DO TO STOP THEIR SUFFERING. THAT'S WHY THERE ARE MORE THAN 100 THOUAND PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE. IF I HAD WAITED FOR THE TESTING, MMS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN USED ANYWHERE. THE PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN THE EATING, AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE 100 MILLION DOLLAR TESTING IS DONE, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO THE EATING, AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE TRUE OF MMS AND THERE ARE MANY OF YOU OUT THERE THAT KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.

>

> FINALLY LET ME SAY THAT THE ABOVE CAPITAL LETTER COMMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE BY ME, JIM HUMBLE. IS SAY THAT SILVER FOX HAS NO UNDERSTANDING OF CHEMISTRY. HE HAS INVENTED HIS OWN CHEMISTRY TO BACK HIS OWN EVIL INTENTIONS. HE HAS BY HIS REMARKS PREVENTED MANY SUFFERING PEOPLE FROM GETTING WELL. IF THAT ISN'T EVIL I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

>

> JIM HUMBLE

>

> ALVIN, WRITE TO ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU.

July 10, 2010

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Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Reply from Jim Humble

I am certainly indebted to Jim for bringing MMS to our attention, but I'm also indebted to Tom for updating us with lab facts about it.

So here are my comments to Jim's letter:

J--NOT TRUE - CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN MANY INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE ORGANIC MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE

Seems according to

http://www.lenntech .com/processes/ disinfection/ chemical/ disinfectants- chlorine- dioxide.htm that chlorine dioxide does react with organic material, which is why it can kill viruses and bacteria. From my understanding (which may be faulty) from reading the above site, chlorine dioxide is a gas and has reactions with organic matter, which can change chlorine dioxide into many different things, including chlorous acid.

J--THIS AGAIN IS DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO CHLORITE FOR ONLY A MILLISECOND. THAT'S ALL. IT THEN CONTINUES TO BREAK DOWN INTO TABLE SALT. ANYTHING THAT HAS THE .95 VOLTS TO PULL OFF THE FIRST ELECTRON ALWAYS PULLS OFF THE NEXT FOUR ELECTRONS TOO. IT NEVER REMAINS CHLORITE. CHEMICALLY IT CANNOT.

Again, though I may be reading this wrong, this agency site (government site?) talks about chlorine dioxide and chlorite, and says "Both chlorine dioxide and chlorite act quickly when they enter the body. Chlorine dioxide quickly changes to chlorite ions, which are broken down further into chloride ions. The body uses these ions for many normal purposes. Some chloride ions leave the body within hours or days, mainly in the urine. Most chlorite that is not broken down also leaves the body in the urine within a few days after exposure to chlorine dioxide or chlorite."

J--THIS IS ALL PURE BULL. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE AS IT HAS BEEN SOLD IN HEALTH FOOD STORES FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS. THE NAME HAS BEEN STABILIZED OXYGEN FOR ALL THOSE YEARS HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING IT AND NOTHING BUT GOOD RESULTS HAS BEEN REPORTED. STABILIZED OXYGEN IS SODIUM CHLORITE IN WATER AND NOTHING ELSE

This is true--but Tom wasn't talking about stabilized oxygen, which is a MUCH lower percentage of sodium chlorite/chlorine dioxide than MMS is, and that's what Tom was talking about. So Jim is talking apples while Tom is talking oranges. Therefore Jim's paragraph means nothing in relation to what Tom said.

J--CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO TABLE SALT AT ABOUT 98% BREAK DOWN. THE REST IS CHLORITE AND CHLORATE. NOT ENOUGH CHLORATE TO EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DAILY ALLOWANCE FROM A DOSE OF MMS, AND OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED ABOVE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE FOR 80 YEARS.

I could not find anything on how much of the chlorine dioxide breaks down into salt, chlorite and chlorate, only that it does break down to all 3. (from my first link: What are the disinfection byproducts of chlorine dioxide?The reaction process of chlorine dioxide with bacteria and other substances takes place in two steps. During this process disinfection byproducts are formed that remain in the water. In the first stage the chlorine dioxide molecule accepts an electron and chlorite is formed (ClO3). In the second stage chlorine dioxide accepts 4 electrons and forms chloride (Cl-). In the water some chlorate (ClO3), which is formed by the production of chlorine dioxide, can also be found. Both chlorate and chlorite are oxidizing agents. Chlorine dioxide, chlorate and chlorite dissociate into sodium chloride (NaCl).)

Still this doesn't say at what amount each one breaks down, but it seems to say all 3 break down into salt eventually. But how much of the sodium chlorite goes to salt (98%?) I have not found out.

J--YES WHEN YOU MIX 6 DROPS OF MMS AND 6 DROPS OF CITRIC ACID ACTIVATOR, THE PPM IS ABOUT 300 PPM. THAT'S 12 DROPS OF 300 PPM. AFTER 20 SECONDS THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY TO ADD 1/2 GLASS OF WATER, AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DILUTE 12 DROPS OUT TO 1/2 GLASS OF WATER. YOU GUESSED IT, IT DILUTES OUT TO 5 PPM. SO IT IS 300 PPM ONLY DURING THE PREPARATION STAGE. WHICH NEVER TOUCHES THE PERSON PREPARING OR ANYONE ELSE.

Ok--true. But, Jim is not addressing the fact that he did tell people to mix up MMS and citric and put it into capsules and take it that way--no water involved. I wonder what the ppm of that would be? Seems like it would be 300. Again, they need to be talking about the same thing (and Jim is mistaken about the 20 seconds because he says to wait 3 minutes, though I will give Jim the benefit of the doubt and say he was in a hurry when writing this and he MEANT to say 3 minutes)

J--WOW, DIDN'T REALIZE I EVER SAID THAT OR EVER CLAIMED THAT I RUN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I NEVER RAN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I RAN VERY FEW TESTS

Well of course he said he ran thousands of tests. What about the hospitals and the prison inmates he said they tested MMS on? He was always saying he needed money to get back to AFRICA (not south America) to run more tests and set up clinics. So--now he's differentiating between tests and "simply helping sick people, which isn't testing". Hmmm, it's one or the other. If he's basing those "100" cases of malarial people in south America as the only reason he's advocated MMS, what happened to all his African cases? Were they simply sick people he was helping, or were they tests done at hospitals?

J--I HAVE PERSONALLY TREATED MORE THAN 10 THOUSAND PEOPLE IN AFRICA, MEXICO, THE USA, EUROPE, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

Ah, so these aren't tests at all. He's helping sick people. Ok, I see said the blind man. He gets to make words agree with his thought of the moment.

J--YES IT DOES, BECAUSE LOTS OF DOCTORS SAY IT DOES. NEVER SAID IT WAS MY DATA. IT COMES FROM DOCTORS.

I found this at the first link I sent: Is there a Medical Test To DETERMINE WHETHER I HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO CHLORINE DIOXIDE AND CHLORITE? Although no medical tests are available to Determine whether you have been exposed to Chlorine dioxide or chlorite, exposure to very large Amounts may result in damage to red blood cells That can be observed through routine blood tests

So it's not that the chlorine dioxide can be found in the blood, but damaged cells from too much chlorine dioxide will be seen, again--if I'm reading this right.

Also found at www.patientsville. com/toxic/ chlorine- dioxide.htm :

Is there a medical test to show whether I've been exposed to chlorine dioxide and chlorite?

There are no routine medical tests available to measure chlorine dioxide or chlorite in the body. There is a special test to measure chlorite in tissues, blood, urine, and feces, but the test cannot tell the extent of the exposure or whether harmful effects will occur.

J--THE FIRST THING YOU MUST KNOW IS THAT STRONG MMS CAN BE IN SOLUTION WITHOUT ANY COLOR

Well, his test to see if your bottle of MMS was still viable was to activate it and it should turn yellowish and smell of chlorine. He should have said, then, that it could still be ok if there was no color at all. Perhaps he said this, but I don't remember that part. I remember he said it should turn yellowish and smell of chlorine. Maybe if someone has that part in his book they can tell us what his book said about this.

J--SECONDLY, YOU CANNOT SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN SOLUTION. YOU ONLY SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE AIR.

Goodness, how can you smell solution? We cannot breath under liquid, so of course you could only smell it in the air. That sentence of his didn't make any sense!!

J--THIRD, IF YOU COVER THIS SOLUTION THAT YOU SPIT OUT WITH A TIGHT COVER AND THEN TEST IT FOR CHLORINE DIOXIDE WITH SIMPLE CHLORINE DIOXIDE INDICATOR STRIPS YOU WILL FIND CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN IT AFTER A FULL WEEK. GO AHEAD TRY IT. AND THEN WRITE ME. SILVER FOX HAS JUST PROVEN THAT HE IS TOTALLY WRONG.

Well this would certainly be a good test. If anyone tries it, do let us know.

I can understand how Jim would feel that people that caution about the use of MMS to be attacking him. But all I can say is that I caution people about a few things that Jim doesn't. I know people who are positive that MMS strips C from the heart--or bothers the heart (via personal experience), and I know there are people that are sure (via personal experience) that MMS kills good bacteria along with the bad in the gut and causes problems. And personally I don't care if Jim likes it that I caution my people about these things, because I will not have it on my conscious that I didn't tell them and they were hurt by lack of this knowledge. We are all adults and should do research for ourselves without taking ANYONE'S word. There indeed have been many people that have been helped by Jim's original method--me for one. But even Jim has changed his method to suit more people because his original method was just too hard (read illness making) for many people.

If Tom's method means people still get cured only over a longer period of time, but by being gentler on the body, then I'm all for it--though if it was an emergency I would certainly revert back to Jim's method for a few days. I try to be flexible and like knowing all my options. I never did agree that Jim's promotion of daily use of MMS as a preventative, for years at a time, was a good thing to do. Jim doesn't seem to realize that just because HE can use MMS that way doesn't mean that everyone can. He went on about using AMMS daily as a tooth and mouth rinse. I did it and in 3 weeks the pain in my teeth were so bad I had to stop, and it took 3 weeks to recover. Yes, it did TOTALLY clear up a tooth infection I had, but as I continued to use it, it ate away my enamel, making my teeth hurt even when I wasn't chewing.

These are the things I warn people about. And if Jim feels that's an attack on him and his method, oh well. I'm not willing to tell people--here, take this and it will never hurt you in any way--which is basically what Jim says. I've personally experienced the opposite and know others that have experienced the opposite.

I do believe that MMS should be in every household. But I will always continue to caution people about the safe use of MMS, no matter that it contradicts Jim and his methods. I have to be honest about what I and others have experienced.

And I have NOT found Tom's information to be dis-info, or a slam against Jim or MMS. I have found it to be extremely helpful and supportive of safe use of sodium chlorite. There are many people that can use Jim's full protocol, willing to go through terrible detox and have come out the other side healthy again. That's wonderful. But there are just as many that could not tolerate that protocol. And yet, perhaps they can tolerate Tom's protocol and will also come out the other side healthy. Isn't there room for both methods?

Why this constant bickering? I don't get it. There's no one saying don't use MMS at all. There's the full strength method and a low strength method. That's how I see it. And just as there are 2 methods, there are 2 different types of people--the ones strong enough for the full strength method and the ones that are much more sensitive that can use the low strength method. Why is this a problem? Some people need 2000grams of C a day to stay healthy and before getting diarrhea and others need 6000 grams a day to stay healthy before getting diarrhea. Each person is different, with different needs and different TOLERANCES. Simple. Do what is best for YOU. But please stop arguing about what MMS protocol is best. If someone doesn't like Tom's method, simply put his name on your blocked sender list and you never have to read another post by him. But stop trying to say he's a stooge of big pharma. I for one am getting tired of this and I'm sure others are too. Pick a method and stick with it because it works for YOU, and give others that same option. Everyone should stop trying to censor other's opinions simply because it doesn't agree with your opinion. This is not a Jim Humble list (there was one made especially for that, that anyone can go join) but an MMS list, which means talking about MMS in any form and method of use.

Samala,

July 10, 2010

I could make up some MMS5, but do you know how to use it? You need to know how to use it before you spend your money.