Re: Re: Activating with Vitamin C

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tom - might even try the Vitamin C idea myself )

Carole in Oz

Eideann & Fionn (Tristania GSDs)

carole@...

www.berigorafarm.com.au

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> Hello Carole,

>

> Sorry about the confusion. My remarks were addressed to Jim Humble.

>

> Ascorbic acid is what I am using.

>

> Keep in mind that sodium chlorite is activated by lowering its PH.

> Ascorbic acid is an acid as well as an anti oxidant. This allows for some

> interesting combinations.

>

> I have had several people who have ended up being very sensitive to citric

> acid ask me about alternative ways to activate sodium chlorite. In

> addition, I was approached by a researcher exploring ways to help people

> with MS. I threw out the use of vitamin C as an activator, and something

> clicked inside the researcher. I am providing technical support for this

> research as well as being a " sounding board " for " out of the box " ideas.

> A real concern for people suffering from MS is that they don't want to

> consume anything that is acid.

>

> The specific amounts to use are still under development. It seems that

> people with MS are especially concerned with the chlorine dioxide odor,

> and prefer to have the chlorous acid odor free. This is turning out to be

> much more difficult that I thought it would be, but some progress is being

> made.

>

> With a full understanding that this is a " work in progress " and if you

> want to do some experimentation on your own, I can give you a place to

> start.

>

> I mix 1/8 teaspoon of ascorbic acid in 10 ml of water. I put 2 ml of 5%

> sodium chlorite in a glass, add 1 ml of the ascorbic acid activator, swirl

> to mix and let the activation continue for 10 minutes. Then water is

> added to make a total of 500 ml.

>

> This results in a solution that has about 85 PPM available chlorine

> dioxide and 3 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide and a PH of about 6.

>

> The ascorbic acid solution is perishable. It needs to be mixed fresh

> every time you need some.

>

> Like I said, this is not ready for prime time, but that should give you a

> starting place.

>

> Tom

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>

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>> Hi Tom,

>>

>> Here I am struggling to come to an understanding of MMS - dilution rates;

>> what dilution to use for what situation; to activate or not; and now you

>> confuse my poor little brain by saying that Vitamin C can be used to

>> activate the sodium chlorite )

>>

>> So now I have yet more questions for you!

>>

>> Which form of Vitamin C - ascorbic acid? sodium ascorbate? or calcium

>> ascorbate? or doesn't it matter?

>>

>> What is the ratio of sodium chlorite to Vitamin C (I would be using a

>> Vitamin C powder which is measured in grams and is 4 grams per 5 mL

>> teaspoon)?

>>

>> Carole in Oz

>> Eideann & Fionn (Tristania GSDs)

>> carole@...

>> www.berigorafarm.com.au

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[Guest guest]

On 2010-07-08 11:02 PM, silverfox_science wrote:

> I have had several people who have ended up being very sensitive to

> citric acid ask me about alternative ways to activate sodium

> chlorite. In addition, I was approached by a researcher exploring

> ways to help people with MS. I threw out the use of vitamin C as an

> activator, and something clicked inside the researcher. I am

> providing technical support for this research as well as being a

> " sounding board " for " out of the box " ideas. A real concern for

> people suffering from MS is that they don't want to consume anything

> that is acid.

In that case I wish you would look further into the use of liquid HCl as

an activator - meaning, what is the ideal concentration ratio to use.

It just seems to me this would be the ideal activator since:

1. it is naturally occurring in the body, and indeed, is what the body

itself uses to activate unactivated MMS when consumed, and

2. most people (in the USA at least) have low to extremely low HCl

production, and would benefit directly from the activator itself, as

well as the activated MMS.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems logical to me.

[Guest guest]

I might add that Humble's very first experimentation with Sodium Chlorite

seemingly relied on the patient's own HCL stomach acid to activate it. It

was only later that he came up with the concept of using other acids outside

of the body directly in the solution and waiting 3 minutes.

Lastly, I doubt seriously that ascorbic acid would work well. Ascorbic acid

is known for detoxifying toxic compounds and I would guess it would greatly

reduce the effectiveness of Sodium Chlorite's action. After all, it has been

shown that cobra venom can easily be neutralized by simply adding ascorbic

acid to it. Then one can inject this into a animal with absolutely no

toxicity. Not all acids are equal from a physiological standpoint.

doug

----- Original Message -----

>

> HCl is used all the time in chlorine dioxide technology. MMS is all about

> acidified sodium chlorite technology. They are quite different. This is

> why I keep pointing out that all of the studies done on chlorine dioxide

> technology do not directly apply to acidified sodium chlorite technology.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm confused that anyone would think that adding an antioxidant to an

oxidizer would result in anything useful.

'Course, maybe experimentally...

Chuck

" Sorry, but this is a highly sophistimicated doowacky. If you don't

use it responsibly, kablammo! " - Homer Simpson

On 7/9/2010 2:01:01 PM, polo (dahart@...) wrote:

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> Lastly, I doubt seriously that ascorbic acid would work well. Ascorbic

> acid

> is known for detoxifying toxic compounds and I would guess it would

> greatly

> reduce the effectiveness of Sodium Chlorite's action. After all, it has been

> shown that cobra venom can easily be neutralized by simply adding ascorbic

> acid to it. Then one can inject this into a animal with absolutely no

> toxicity. Not all acids are equal from a physiological standpoint.

>

> doug

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> >

> > HCl is used all the time in chlorine dioxide technology. MMS is all about

> > acidified sodium chlorite technology. They are quite different. This is

> > why I keep pointing out that all of the studies done on chlorine dioxide

> > technology do not directly apply to acidified sodium chlorite technology.

> >

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