Re: Introduction, Background, and Comments

[Guest guest]

Hello Steve,

How are things going?

The reason I say the 22.4% sodium chlorite is dangerous to handle is because I

have observed several people comment that they notice a chlorine dioxide odor

coming from their fingers. They think the chlorine dioxide is working its way

out from inside the body. The actual fact is that while they were closing the

bottle, they brushed some sodium chlorite on their fingers, and their body sweat

activated it.

This doesn't sound too bad, but let me continue.

A group of us were running some tests on the 22.4% sodium chlorite solution.

After measuring out some drops, one of our group suddenly had a piece of dust

land in their eye. Without thinking, they brushed their eye with their finger

that had the sodium chlorite on it. There was a stinging sensation and we

immediately recognized what had happened. Fortunately, we had an eye wash

station and put it to use. There was no damage to the eye, but it made us step

back and revise our safe handling procedures. Safety glasses are great, but it

is very easy to brush them aside to wipe dust from your eye.

22.4% sodium chlorite and eyes don't go well together. 5% is not that good

either, but your tear production can quickly dilute that concentration.

In addition, we have experienced some rather explosive moments when using HCl to

activate the 22.4% concentration.

I stand by my comment that the 22.4% concentration of sodium chlorite is

dangerous to handle.

Tom

>

> Hi Everybody,

> My name is Steve, I own a website that is mentioned on here, and the traffic

and my natural curiosity brought me here.

>

> I have read through some of the recent posts, and I think I may make comments

from time to time.

>

> I am in a kind of unique spot here. I correspond with Jim Humble and Mia

Hamel, and have a good relationship with them.

>

> I also correspond with Tom (SilverFox) pretty regularly, and have actually

used him as a go to guy for questions about chemistry, and industrial

applications.

>

> I don't have Tom's chemical knowledge, but I have a practical working

relationship with sodium chlorite in many different strengths and applications.

I sell to ranchers, restaurants, medical facilities, and municipalities.

>

> I also manufacture MMS, and distribute it, and Sodium Chlorite Powder to a lot

of dealers, and also retail consumers.

>

> I can't explain a lot of the differences in opinion offered here, and I can't

argue Tom's chemistry.

>

> I can say I have testimonials every day that say MMS has benefit in a myriad

of applications. I have only refunded money to one customer who wasn't satisfied

out of 1000's of sales. (And I suspect another dealer had something to do with

that).

>

> I think in many cases and many MMS users, 5% would be just as effective.

Honestly, most people take no more than a few drops at a time, maybe 6.. with

the 5% you would simply use more drops. The nice thing about the 5%,is that you

have more margin for error, PET bottles that most dealers use are notorious for

irregular drops.

> Most MMS on the market isn't dead on as far as percentage. Without a

certificate of analysis, you never know what your NaClO2 percentage really is.

My powder is 81.8%, this can vary from 78 to 83% typically.

>

> I also know the argument comes up that MMS is a hazardous material, and it

is... at MMS strength, if you spill it on cloth and it drys, the cloth will

become highly combustible. If you buy gallons of it, I'd worry about it, but at

4 oz at a time, it is not a hazard unless you were to somehow activate all 4 oz,

and let it build up in a closet or something, or drank it all straight down.

> But if you follow the protocols and directions it isn't dangerous to handle,

and I haven't heard of anyone doing harm to themselves.

>

> Well, it's late and I have to go.

> Hello to Tom, and everyone, and thank you for letting me contribute.

>

> Steve

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Darrell and Beverly,

I always use latex gloves when I handle the raw material (powder and flake), and

my son uses them if he is manufacturing the batch and bottling. We also have

dust masks for handling the powder in quantity. I don't always, but it's a fault

of mine. We use the purple hospital gloves or the black tattoo gloves, they will

last for awhile.

What Tom says about the smell is true. If I mix up a batch of MMS I smell ClO2

until I shower, and I seldom use MMS internally.

This is because I don't feel I need it, but I do use it as things occur. I use

it for a lot of external uses.

I have had straight MMS splash in my eyes, but I rinsed it out within

seconds.... I must say I was surprised that I felt no stinging right away. Now

that I think about it, my MMS contains less than .018% Lye so that may be why it

didn't sting right away.

Tom, I know that you have had violent reactions using HCI and MMS, but Humble

protocols don't call for HCl, and honestly, I don't think anyone advocates

putting Muratic Acid into 22.4% NaClO2. (I did it after you told me about it,

looked like a green smoke bomb... I used a lot <smile>)

HCl should only be used by people with some knowledge, and only at low

concentrations. I am still interested in other weak acid options.

As to what actually makes it into the bloodstream, I honestly don't know. I

feel the response to it is greater than a placebo effect would have, so much so

that people buy it and refer all their friends within a couple weeks, I have a

lot of " neighborhood clusters " .I can also say that a couple of certified medical

clinics and research facilities purchase it pretty regularly, so perhaps studies

will come out one day on in vivo results and numbers.

I like the MMS-5 tag.... as to that, well, a few of the " big " MMS sites are

starting to look into lower percentages, and different protocols, and marketing

options, and also about selling powder and flake, so I do think their is a

change in the wind. I think the Canadian ban has some of them re thinking their

strategies as it were.

While I understand and agree with the safety issues of MMS, I am really no more

concerned over it than the 100's of other hazardous products on the market,

including good old Calcium Hypochlorite, which is the cause of a few deaths a

year, and various other household chemicals and medicines.

> >

> > Hi Everybody,

> > My name is Steve, I own a website that is mentioned on here, and the

traffic and my natural curiosity brought me here.

> >

> > I have read through some of the recent posts, and I think I may make

comments from time to time.

> >

> > I am in a kind of unique spot here. I correspond with Jim Humble and Mia

Hamel, and have a good relationship with them.

> >

> > I also correspond with Tom (SilverFox) pretty regularly, and have actually

used him as a go to guy for questions about chemistry, and industrial

applications.

> >

> > I don't have Tom's chemical knowledge, but I have a practical working

relationship with sodium chlorite in many different strengths and applications.

I sell to ranchers, restaurants, medical facilities, and municipalities.

> >

> > I also manufacture MMS, and distribute it, and Sodium Chlorite Powder to a

lot of dealers, and also retail consumers.

> >

> > I can't explain a lot of the differences in opinion offered here, and I

can't argue Tom's chemistry.

> >

> > I can say I have testimonials every day that say MMS has benefit in a

myriad of applications. I have only refunded money to one customer who wasn't

satisfied out of 1000's of sales. (And I suspect another dealer had something to

do with that).

> >

> > I think in many cases and many MMS users, 5% would be just as effective.

Honestly, most people take no more than a few drops at a time, maybe 6.. with

the 5% you would simply use more drops. The nice thing about the 5%,is that you

have more margin for error, PET bottles that most dealers use are notorious for

irregular drops.

> > Most MMS on the market isn't dead on as far as percentage. Without a

certificate of analysis, you never know what your NaClO2 percentage really is.

My powder is 81.8%, this can vary from 78 to 83% typically.

> >

> > I also know the argument comes up that MMS is a hazardous material, and it

is... at MMS strength, if you spill it on cloth and it drys, the cloth will

become highly combustible. If you buy gallons of it, I'd worry about it, but at

4 oz at a time, it is not a hazard unless you were to somehow activate all 4 oz,

and let it build up in a closet or something, or drank it all straight down.

> > But if you follow the protocols and directions it isn't dangerous to

handle, and I haven't heard of anyone doing harm to themselves.

> >

> > Well, it's late and I have to go.

> > Hello to Tom, and everyone, and thank you for letting me contribute.

> >

> > Steve

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah that's my bad, I meant Sodium hypochlorite ...common bleach, have had a

recent conversation on Calcium Hypochlorite and my fingers move faster than my

brain sometimes...

That being said, Calcium hyophlorite is also hazardous, enhances combustion, and

is being looked at as far as new rules for storing it in pool stores and big box

stores because of fires that have occurred in the past.

Just because you can drink or swallow a small amount of a substance doesn't mean

it isn't dangerous or toxic, heck, an ounce of aspirin can kill you.

> > >

> > > Hi Everybody,

> > > My name is Steve, I own a website that is mentioned on here, and the

traffic

> >and my natural curiosity brought me here.

> > >

> > > I have read through some of the recent posts, and I think I may make

comments

> >from time to time.

> > >

> > > I am in a kind of unique spot here. I correspond with Jim Humble and Mia

> >Hamel, and have a good relationship with them.

> > >

> > > I also correspond with Tom (SilverFox) pretty regularly, and have actually

> >used him as a go to guy for questions about chemistry, and industrial

> >applications.

> > >

> > > I don't have Tom's chemical knowledge, but I have a practical working

> >relationship with sodium chlorite in many different strengths and

applications.

> >I sell to ranchers, restaurants, medical facilities, and municipalities.

> >

> > >

> > > I also manufacture MMS, and distribute it, and Sodium Chlorite Powder to a

> >lot of dealers, and also retail consumers.

> > >

> > > I can't explain a lot of the differences in opinion offered here, and I

can't

> >argue Tom's chemistry.

> > >

> > > I can say I have testimonials every day that say MMS has benefit in a

myriad

> >of applications. I have only refunded money to one customer who wasn't

satisfied

> >out of 1000's of sales. (And I suspect another dealer had something to do

with

> >that).

> > >

> > > I think in many cases and many MMS users, 5% would be just as effective.

> >Honestly, most people take no more than a few drops at a time, maybe 6.. with

> >the 5% you would simply use more drops. The nice thing about the 5%,is that

you

> >have more margin for error, PET bottles that most dealers use are notorious

for

> >irregular drops.

> > > Most MMS on the market isn't dead on as far as percentage. Without a

> >certificate of analysis, you never know what your NaClO2 percentage really

is.

> >My powder is 81.8%, this can vary from 78 to 83% typically.

> > >

> > > I also know the argument comes up that MMS is a hazardous material, and it

> >is... at MMS strength, if you spill it on cloth and it drys, the cloth will

> >become highly combustible. If you buy gallons of it, I'd worry about it, but

at

> >4 oz at a time, it is not a hazard unless you were to somehow activate all 4

oz,

> >and let it build up in a closet or something, or drank it all straight down.

> > > But if you follow the protocols and directions it isn't dangerous to

handle,

> >and I haven't heard of anyone doing harm to themselves.

> > >

> > > Well, it's late and I have to go.

> > > Hello to Tom, and everyone, and thank you for letting me contribute.

> > >

> > > Steve

> > >

> >

>