SECOND REPLY FROM JIM HUMBLE TO TOM

July 10, 2010

Original Message ----- From: Jim Humble

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Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 16:37

Subject: Re: Fwd: Silver fox Reply for Jim Humble

Tom, Or is it Silver Fox,Actually, Tom I can appreciate the help you appear to be offering. If that be the case, maybe we can work together a little bit. You seem to have a positive attitude as opposed to the earlier attitude. I can appreciate that.I WILL ANSWER YOUR COMMENTS IN CAPITAL LETTER, ONLY TO SEPARATE MY ANSWERS FROM YOUR COMMENTS, NOT TO INFER ANYTHING ELSE.As always with love

Jim HumbleOn 7/9/2010 4:06 PM, Mark Grenon wrote: Jim,

Here is a forward from this person

---------- Forwarded message ----------From: Alvin Rose <ajroseca@...>Date: Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:17 PMSubject: Silver fox Reply for Jim Humble

Well, I guess I will address this to Jim Humble.Hello Jim, HELLO THANKS FOR YOUR LETTER,First of all I am surprised that you resort to name calling. I would think that someone in your position would behave themselves in a more dignified fashion...Finally, you shed the truth on the matter. In your book, on page 27 you said"...I did more than 1,000 different tests over a period of one year..." I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TESTING AS TESTING IN A CLINIC WITH DOCTORS AND NURSES AND RECORDING DEVICES AND 100 MILLION DOLLARS TO GET ALL THE TESTING DONE. I INDEED DID MORE THAN A THOUSAND CHEMICAL TESTS BEFORE STARTING A LARGE SCALE TREATMENT OF PEOLE AND WHILE I WAS SENDING SAMPLES TO AFRICA TO BE TESTED.On page 28 you went on to say"I set up tests for A-bombs and that sort of thing. So I did have some experience at doing tests. I tried a dozen or more acids and a hundred combinations." YES, I IN FACT DID THAT.And now finally you are giving us the truth..."WOW, DIDN'T REALIZE I EVER SAID THAT OR EVER CLAIMED THAT I RUN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I CERTAINLY DON'T REMEMBER THAT. LET ME TELL YOU THE TRUTH. I NEVER RAN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I RAN VERY FEW TESTS."It is all becoming clear now. You haven't run the tests, and you don't know how chlorine dioxide works. WELL I WOULDN'T SAY THAT.It may come as a surprise to you, but there are people who have run the tests. They have found and measured results different from what you think should happen, and have reported what actually happens. MAYBE, BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS NOT TOTALLY TRUE. SO WE WILL GO OVER IT AND SEE IF YOU REALY ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING PEOPLE GET BETTER.Here is a rather complete study done on various ways to disinfect water, including using chlorine dioxide.http://www.epa.gov/safewater/mdbp/alternative_disinfectants_guidance.pdfYES YES, SOME GOOD DATA HERE, I'VE USED IT FROM TIME TO TIME

You actually reference chapter 4 of this in your book. Let's take a look at what it says.Let's look at chapter 4.1.1 Oxidation Potential"Chlorine dioxide functions as a highly selective oxidant due to its unique, one-electron transfer mechanism where it is reduced to chlorite (ClO2- ) (Hoehn et al., 1996).""...and indicates the chlorite ion will exist as the dominant species in drinking water."The paper goes on to show that the 1 electron reaction that changes chlorine dioxide to chlorite has a ORP of 0.954 V. They go on to show the other reactions along with their ORP values.THAT'S INTERESTING TOM, BUT THE DATA HAS TO DO WITH DRINKING WATER. THE DON'T BOTHER TO STATE WHAT WAS IN THE DRINKING WATER, BUT WHAT YOU ARE FAILING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS THAT THE BODY AND THE CONDITIONS IN THE BODY ARE NOTHING LIKE DRINKING WATER. YES THE ONE-ELECTRON TRANSFER MECHANISM MAKES THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE A HIGHLY SELECTIVE OXIDANT AND THAT IS TRUE IN THE BODY, BUT WITH THOUSANDS OF PPM MORE THAN IS IN DRINKING WATER A DIFFERENT RESULTS HAPPENS. SORRY, YOU CAN'T APPLY THE DATA HERE TO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BODY.

They go on to state"In drinking water, chlorite (ClO2-) is the predominant reaction endproduct, with approximately 50 to 70 percent of the chlorine dioxide converted to chlorite and 30 percent to chlorate (ClO3-) and chloride (Cl-) (Werdehoff and Singer, 1987)."

YOU CAN GO TO www.lenntech.com AND READ ABOUT CHLORINE DIOXIDE FROMA MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY THAT SELL THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE TECHNOLOGY.Scientific testing has revealed that 70% of the chlorine dioxide is converted to chlorite, and the remaining 30% to chlorate and chloride. Since you have done no testing to show otherwise, this kind of blows a hole in your speculation that all of the chlorine dioxide goes to salt. Since you have no data to support your 98% conversion to chloride, and since I did go to a university chemistry laboratory and duplicated the tests showing the 70% formation of chlorite, I think the chemistry fits very well, and it can be documented and reproduced outside of the original study. Your speculation doesn't fit the actual chemical test results and can not be duplicated. SORRY, BUT THAT IS NOT THE SCIENTIFIC TESTING EXCEPT MAYBE IN A SINGLE LOCATION. YOUR UNIVERSITY TESTING DOESN'T HOLD UP. WHAT OTHER CHEMICALS WERE IN THE WATER WITH YOUR CHLORINE DIOXIDE. WHAT WAS CAUSING THE CONVERSION TO CHLORITE. IN THE BODY, SOME OF THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE WILL BE CONVERTED BY THE PATHOGENS. SINCE CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS EXTREMELY SELECTIVE, WHAT WERE THOSE SELECTIVE ITEMS THAT YOU USED TO PROVE YOUR POINT. CERTAINLY NOTHING YOU WILL FIND IN THE BODY. FINALLY I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WENT TO A UNIVERSITY AND DID THAT TESTING AT ALL. WHAT YOU SAY DON'T FIT. HAVE A PROFESSOR WRITE ME A LETTER THAT YOU DID THE TESTING. AND OF COURSE I'LL CHECK WITH HIM AND CHECK HIS CREDENTIALS.Chemistry is a science, not an opinion. You are the one spreading misinformation. You claim one thing, then provide a reference that proves something entirely different. If chlorite does not exist beyond a few miliseconds, why do water treatment plants measure it and control the amount of chlorite present after disinfection? Why do they even worry about it? I'VE ANSWERED THIS BELOW. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WORRY ABOUT IT. MUST BE SOME OTHER IMPORTANT TECHNICAL REASON, BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE IN MUCH STRONGER DOSES THAN ONE COULD POSSIBLE GET FROM A WATER PURIFICATION SYSTEM FOR, 80 YEARS. IT IS STILL IN HEALTH FOOD STORES TODAY. NO ONE HAS NOTICE ANY DAMAGE YET.In section 4.2.1 we find this"...chlorine dioxide in water does not hydrolyze to any appreciable extent but remains in solution as a dissolved gas (Aieta and Berg, 1986)."As a gas that has been tested to be effective across a PH range of 2 - 14, how does it only oxidize acidic and anaerobic materials? Oops, I guess that since you haven't done any tests on that, you don't know how that works either... I CHANGED THAT IN THE BOOK AND IN MY REMARKS MORE THAN TWO YEARS AGO. SO FAR AS I KNOW IN SOLUTIONS THE GASSIOUS CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS ONLY EFFECTIVE FROM PH 5 TO PH 10. AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT SEVERAL SOURCES STATE. BUT I HAVE LONG AGO REVERSED THE STATEMENT THAT CHLORINE DIOXIDE ONLY ATTACKS ACIDIC MATERIALS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PATHOGENS THAT ARE ALKALINE IN NATURE. THE ACIDIC IDEA DOESN'T WORK OUT. ACTUALLY, AND I HAVE ALREADY STATED THIS A NUMBER OF PLACES, NO BIOLOGIST HAS BEEN ABLE TO TELL ME WHY CHLORINE DIOXIDE ONLY ATTACKS PATHOGENS AND NOT THE FRIENDLY BACTERIA. BUT FOR 10 YEARS HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS (I HAVE 60,000 EMAILS FROM PEOPLE TAKING MMS) OF PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THAT THE FRIENDLY BACTERIA IN THEIR STOMACH WAS NOT HURT BY THE MMS. AND OTHER PROBLEMS THAT MIGHT ARRISE FROM KILLING FRIENDLY BACTERIA HAS NOT BEEN REPORTED.Many people, including yourself, have has positive experiences using sodium chlorite in water. You claimed 70% of the people you treated for malaria had their symptoms go away. The key here is the low concentration of sodium chlorite (3.5%), and the fact that you used 1 or 2 doses. Do you remember that 3.5% sodium chlorite has 35000 PPM available chlorine dioxide? In addition, if you only take 1 or 2 doses, there is no build up of chlorite in the body. Also, the maintenance dose of "stabilized oxygen" is 3 drops a day. That isn't a lot of chlorite for the body to deal with, but it is enough to actually be effective in many cases. HERE IS WHERE YOU CHEMISTRY STARTS TO FALL DOWN, AND I DO NOT MEAN TO BE INSULTING. I INFACT APPRECIATE YOUR REMARKS. YOU SEE 3.5 % SODIUM CHLORITE MEANS 3.5% PPM SODIUM CHLORITE AND THAT IS 35,000 PPM SODIUM CHLORITE NOT CLORINE DIOXIDE. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE EXACT FIGURES ON THE AMOUNT OF CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN NaCLO2, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY LESS THAN 100%. A GOOD CHEMIST CAN FIGURE IT OUT. SO THAT COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT PROBABLY ONLY 10 TO 25% OF THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE CHLORITE, THE FIGURES ARE QUIT A BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOU STATE. BUT LET ME POINT OUT A FEW FACTS. YOU SEE, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN OUT THERE IN THE FIELD WORKING. IN KENYA AND IN UGANDA I TREATED MORE THAN 2000 CASES OF MALARIA. TIME AGAIN I FOUND THAT DIFFERENT TREATMENT WAS REQUIRED IN DIFFERENT AREAS ONLY A COUPLE OF HUNDRED MILES APART, BUT THE MOST EFFECTIVE TREATMENT WAS TO GIVE AN ADULT A 15 DROP DOSE AND WAIT 1 HOUR AND THEN GIVE THEM ANOTHER 15 DROPS DOSE. MORE THAN 90% OF THE TIME THEY WERE OVER ALL SYMPTOMS IN 4 HOURS FROM THE FIRST DOSE. THERE WERE SOME PLACES WHERE MY FRIENDS WENT THAT THEY WERE TREATING MALARIA WITH TWO 6 DROP DOSES. BUT I FOUND THAT DIDN'T WORK IN MOST PLACES. SO TO RECAP, SODIUM CHLORITE IS NOT 100% CHLORINE DIOXIDE, AND 100% OF THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS NOT ALWAYS RELEASED FROM THE CHLORITE. OK? THE BLOOD OF MANY OF THE CASES I'VE TREATED WAS EXAMINED BY TECHNICIANS TO SHOW ALL MALARIA PARASITES GONE. YOU ARE TRYING TO USE FALTY CHEMISTRY TO TELL ME HOW I SHOULD TREAT MALARIA. I DIDN'T NEED CHEMISTRY AT THE TIME, I JUST KEPT INCREASING THE DOSE UNTIL THE PATIENTS RESPONDED. Since you haven't actually done any testing, I will offer you a lesson in chemistry...I EXPLAINED THIS ABOVE. I HAVEN'T DONE ANY CHINICAL MULTI MILLION DOLLAR TESTING.With water a standard drop measurement is 1/20 of a ml. There are 20 standard drops to a ml. Water has a specific gravity of 1.0. 22.4% sodium chlorite has a specific gravity of 1.2. This means that there will be less drops per ml than water. You end up with 17 drops per ml. You already know this because you stated exactly the same thing in your book.This means that 6 drops of 22.4% sodium chlorite is about 0.353 ml. Now 22.4% sodium chlorite has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. This gives us 0.353 times 224000 = 79072 PPM chlorine dioxide. Now we are going to dilute that with 125 ml of water, so we end up with a 6 drop dose that has 79072 divided by 125 = 632.576 PPM available chlorine dioxide. YOU SEE, I THINK I EXPLAINED IT JUST ABOVE. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT CHANGE SODIUM CHLORITE 100% INTO CHLORINE DIOXIDE. IT IS A CHEMICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. SODIUM CHLORITE HAS SODIUM IN IT. IF YOU WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT ALL INTO CHLORINE DIOXIDE THE SODIUM WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE INTO CHLORINE DIOXIDE, TOO.How did you come up with your figure of 300 PPM? IT WAS AN ESTIMATE WITH MY BEST GUESS. IT IS CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE A FIGURE OF LESS THAN 632.576 PPM. AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED, SODIUM CHLORITE IS NOT 100% CHLORINE DIOXIDE AND YOU NEVER GET ALL OF THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE CHLORITE TO BE RELEASED. SO THOSE TWO FACTORS PROBABLY GET YOU CLOSE TO 300 PPM.Activation with 10% citric acid will release about 10% of the available chlorine dioxide as free chlorine dioxide so the dose ends up with 633 times 10% = 63.3 PPM of the 633 PPM of available chlorine dioxide as free chlorine dioxide. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO WHAT I SAID IN THE BOOK. AT THE TIME YOU HAVE 300 PPM IN THE 6 DROPS, YOU ADD 1/2 GLASS OF WATER OR JUICE TO THAT 6 DROPS AND THAT DILUES IT ABOUT 300 TIMES. SO THAT IS ABOUT 1 PPM.Perhaps it is good that you didn't do any testing. Your math isn't very good either. The 6 drop dose has a lot more chlorine dioxide than 5 PPM. And, why are you using 5 PPM when in your book you stated that 1 PPM was all that was needed? YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT. NOBODY TAKES THE 6 DROP DOSE STRAIGHT. THEY ADD 1/2 GLASS OR WATER OR JUICE. WHEN YOU DILUTE, YOU DILUTE THE PPM. YOU SHOULDN'T REALLY BE TALKING ABOUT PPM, BUT RATHER MILLIGRAMS. PPM CHANGES AS YOU ADD WATER OR JUICE OR ANYTHING ELSE. THE NUMBER OF MILLIGRAMS OF CHLORINE DIOXIDE DOSE NOT CHANGE BECAUSE YOU ADD SOME WATER OR JUICE.In chapter 4.4.1 we find"In the first disinfection mechanism, chlorine dioxide reacts readily with amino acids cysteine, tryptophan, and tyrosine, but not with viral ribonucleic acid (RNA) (Noss et al., 1983; Olivier et al., 1985)."Does the human body have cysteine, tryptophan, and tyrosine in it? Are those amino acids important to bodily function? How can you say that chlorine dioxide does not impact the body when it readily reacts with those amino acids? TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I DON'T KNOW.You say" CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN MANY INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE ORGANIC MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE."Yet in chapter 4.4.2.3 I read this"Suspended matter and pathogen aggregation affect the disinfection efficiency of chlorine dioxide." THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS SUSPENDED MATTER REACTS WITH CHLORINE DIOXIDE, IT CHANGES THE EFFICIENCY, PROBABLY TO LIMIT THE CONTACT. 25% seems significant to me. Also, the turbidity of blood is much higher than the turbidity allowed for water purification. Water purification goes through great measures to reduce the turbidity of water before chlorination. The reason for this is that chlorine attaches itself to the particles in the water and forms disinfection by products. Some of these have been found to cause cancer. The fluid in the colon is very turbid, and yet you advise people to chlorinate their colon (by taking calcium hypochlorite) without even a cautious mention of the possibility of forming cancer causing disinfection by products. THE ACTUAL FACT IS THAT CALCIUM HYPOCHLORITE HAS NO AVAILABLE CHLORINE. YOU NEED TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER ON THIS. DON'T LISTEN THE THE LABELS ON THE SWIMMING POOL PRODUCT, THAT'S JUST FOR SALES. CALCIUM HYPOCHLORITE IMMEDIATELY CHANGES TO HYPOCHLOROUS ACID (HOCL) ON CONTACT WITH WATER. HYPOCHLOROUS ACID NEVER GIVES UP CHLORINE. SORRY. IT GIVES UP HYDROGEN, NACENT OXYGEN, AND CHLORIDE. OF COURSE, NACENT OXYGEN IS WHAT KILLS THE PATHOGENS. IT CANNOT MAKE CANCER CAUSING MIXTURES AS, AGAIN, IT DOES NOT GIVE UP CHLORINE. THE SAME IS NOT TRUE OF SODIUM HYPOCHLORITE OR THE OTHER CHEMICALS THAT PRODUCE CHLORINE. Dr. Hesselink understands a little about turbidity. He advises people not to mix juice with their dose, and not to eat anything before or immediately after taking a dose. You should sit down and have a chat with him. You may find out a little about chlorine dioxide and also may begin to understand how this chemical reacts within the body. WHILE I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR DR. HESSELINK, I HAVE NEVER BEEN IMPRESSED BY TITLES, ESPECIALLY FROM THE MEDICAL GROUP. SORRY I HAVE TAKEN MANY JUICES AND ADDED THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE TO THEM AND MEASURE THEM IN ONE HOUR AND IN TWO HOURS AND UP TO 24 HOURS. I HAVE PUT MMS IN ALL KINDS OF FOOD AND MEASURED THE PPM OF CHLORINE DIOXIDE AFTER AN HOUR. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED IS AN HOUR. VITAMIN C ALWAYS KILLS THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE, I MEAN THE ADDED VITAMIC C OR ADDED ASCORBIC ACID, AND THERE ARE LOTS OF CONCENTRATED JUICES THAT KILL CHLORINE DIOXIDE AS THEY HAVE A LOT OF ANTIOXIDANTS IN THEM. BUT I PERSONALLY HAVE TREATED MORE THAN A TOTAL OF 10,000 CASES. 5000 IN PERSON WHERE I HANDED THE DRINK TO THE PERSON AND ANOTHER 5000 BY TELEPHONE OR EMAIL. THE FOOD THING SIMPLY IS NOT THE PROBLEM DR. HESSELINK THINKS IT IS AND I HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH HIM.Sorry Jim. When I mix up a dose, swish it in my mouth for 20 seconds and spit it out, It MEASURES 0 PPM chlorine dioxide, and after letting it sit, tightly covered for 12 hours, it still MEASURES 0 PPM chlorine dioxide. I was offering the color change and odor as indicators for those who don't have the ability to test for chlorine dioxide concentrations. I am not actually interested in what happens a week later because I don't believe liquids stay in your system beyond a couple of hours. IF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THIS, AND GOT THE 0 PPM, WHY COULD YOU POSSIBLY BE WORRIED THAT MMS IS GOING TO DO DAMAGE IN THE SYSTEM. OBVIOUSLY, ACCORDING TO YOUR TESTS THE MMS IS ZERO IN 20 SECONDS. HOW MUCH DAMAGE CAN IT DO IN 20 SECONDS? Thinking that my results may be unique, I have had several others duplicate the test. The results are always the same. 0 PPM measured chlorine dioxide along with no odor or yellow color. I'LL TELL YOU THE ANSWER TO THIS AT A LATER DATE.Here is what is evil... You promote chlorine dioxide and its safety and cite the many uses of chlorine dioxide in purifying water. They you invent a protocol that is over 300 times stronger than what is used in water purification, say that it is not really that strong, and tell people that it is totally safe to use. Even worse is telling people it is totally safe for children and pregnant women to use. WHILE YOU ARE BEING CRITICAL, I HAVE BEEN OUT RUNNING AROUND THE WORLD HELPING PEOPLE IN SOUTH AFTICA, IN MALAWI, IN UGANDA, KEYNA, IN MEXICO, IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, IN THE USA, IN EUROPE AND OTHER PLACES. IF YOU WANT TO HELP, I WILL WORK WITH YOU, BUT DON'T KILL PEOPLE'S CHANCES TO LIVE AND GET OVER THEIR SUFFERING. WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS WORTH IT. 190,000 DEATHS FROM MEDICAL DRUGS EACH YEAR. DOCTORS ARE THE BIGGEST CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE US BY USING DRUGS WRONG. NO ONE DEAD FROM MMS EVEN THOUGH SOME OF YOU LIKE TO SITE DEATHS, THE PROOF EVAPORATES WHEN YOU ATTEMPT TO PROVE IT.Fortunately, these elevated amounts of chlorine dioxide are not lethal, and the stuff tastes awful. Eventually people listen to their bodies and stop taking it before long term damage sets in. WELL 5 MILLION PEPLE HAVE DOWNLOADED MY FREE BOOK AROUND THE WORLD PLUS 50,000 BOOK SALES AND ALL THE DVD'S AND WEB SITES. NEVER A DAY GOES BY THAT I DON'T GET TWO OR THREE PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS THANKING ME. THEY ARE ALWAYS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE WELLTwo years ago you sent me a private message stating that you would be happy to share your testing methods with me, and that I could then pass them on. You should have told me then that you had not done any testing. Instead, when I replied with a question, you replied saying that I should just read your book. Now I understand your reply. YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO INSULT ME.Does MMS work? Yes, at least some of the time. Is MMS safe? We really don't know. Your speculation that MMS is the same as water treatment is false, and I have shown you that the concentrations are much higher than that used for water purification. The main issue is chlorite. Chlorite may be beneficial, but it can also do damage. YOU SEE I SHOWED YOU WERE YOUR CACULATIONS WERE WAY OFF AND THE CONCENTRATION IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK.I really liked your initial ideas on chlorine dioxide. However, when I dug deeper, I discovered that it doesn't work like you think it does. You don't seem to be able to accept scientific fact and prefer to harbor your incorrect ideas. That is too bad. I think that if you ever took the time to actually figure out what is going on, you may end up with a more effective protocol than you currently have. ACTUALLY, YOU SEE HERE MY IDEAS ARE PRETTY GOOD. HOWEVER, I'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THE FACTS IF YOU WANT AND WE CAN SEE WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE HANDLED.Oops, I forgot. You always have 100% success every time you treat someone with MMS, so there is no need for improvement. However, what about those who have less than 100% success... NO I DON'T THINK I HAVE SAID THAT EXACTLY. THE CLOSEST I EVER CAME TO SAYING THAT AS I REMEMBER WAS THE 800 CASES OF HIV RECENTLY TREATED IN MALAWI. ON THE FIRST PASS THROUGH SOMEWHERE NEAR 95% SUCCESS WAS RECORDED AND THEN THE OTHER 5% WAS INVITED IN AND STARTED OVER ON THE PROTOCOL AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL ON 90% OF THEM. NOT QUITE 100%, BUT CLOSE. AND COULD THEY BE PROVED FREE OF HIV. NO THAT CANNOT BE PROVED, BUT 40 CASES OF CANCER WERE GONE, 50 CASES OF NUMB LEGS AND FEET WERE GONE, 5 CASES OF HEART DISEASE WAS CHECKED OK BY THE LOCAL HOSPITA, MALARIA THAT WOULDN'T GO AWAY WAS GONE, HEP C WAS GONE AND ABOUT 20 OTHER DISEASES WERE GONE. THE PERSON WAS BACK TO WORK, HAD LOTS OF ENERGY, BACK TO THEIR FAMILIES, AND BASICALLY HAPPY AND STATED SO. SO WE WERE HAPPY TOO.I applaud your efforts. In spite of the fact that you don't know what is going on, you are out there trying to help people. Fortunately there are people like Dr. Hesselink that understand chemistry of the body and are also gaining an understanding to the chemistry behind chlorine dioxide. MAYBE, BUT HE HASN'T BEEN TESTING FOOD AND JUICES BECAUSE I HAVE AND I KNOW THAT WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT IS INCORRECT. AND I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE TAKE ANTIOXIDANTS WHILE TAKING MMS AND THEY RECOVERED OR OVERCAME THEIR PROBLEMS. Jim, your ideas about chlorine dioxide are as wrong as your ideas about vitamin C. I told you that vitamin C is used all the time in the food industry to activate sodium chlorite. You called me a bunch of names and told me that there was no way that vitamin C could ever produce a solution that contains chlorine dioxide. I then provided you with step by step instructions on how to activate sodium chlorite with vitamin C. You responded by saying that it only produced a "weak" solution. Well, when you are starting with 224000 PPM, and only need 5 PPM, you can afford a little loss. The "weak" solution actually came in at around 3 PPM free chlorine dioxide. About half of the available chlorine dioxide was used up by the anti oxidation properties of vitamin C, but once again when you are starting with 224000 PPM that loss is not significant. SOMEHOW THIS COMPLETELY EXCAPES ME. WHEN YOU START WITH 224,000 YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WASTE A GREAT DEAL OF VITAMIN C TO FINALLY GET TO 3 PPM. TELL ME OF ONE COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY USES VITAMIN C TO ACTIVATE SODIUM CHLORITE AND I WILL TALK WITH THEM. MEANWHILE THE FACT REMAINS THAT IF VITAMIN C IS ADDED TO A DOSE OF MMS, OR IF IT IS IN THE JUICE ADDED TO MMS IT WILL KILL THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE DOSE. THAT IS A FACT THAT I HAVE TESTED DOZENS OF TIMES. I WOULD AT THIS POINT SUSPECT THAT SOMEONE WHO SUGGESTED THIS IS TRYING TO MAKE A FAILUTE. BUT LET ME TALK TO ONE OF THESE FOOD COMPANIES THAT USES VITAMIN C TO ACTIVATE SODIUM CHLORITE. DO YOU SEE. VITAMIN C IS A STRONG ANTIOXIDANT. ANTIOXIDANTS INSTANTLY DESTROY CHLORINE DIOXIDE. I SUSPECT THAT YOU HAVE MIXED UP ASCORBIC ACID (VITAMIN C) WITH CITRIC, OR ACETIC, OR MALEIC, OR OXALIC, OR LACTIC, OR TARTRIC ACIDS.Do you realize that there are people with chemical sensitivities, that have adverse reactions to citric acid, and those with auto immune problems like MS that are very sensitive and experience adverse reactions to a wide variety of things. All of these people have found that using vitamin C as an activator makes taking an activated sodium chlorite solution much easier. Rather than flooding their bodies with excess citric acid, they tolerate vitamin C much better. OK, LET ME TALK TO SEVERAL OF THESE PEOPLE. I'M GAME. IF WE CAN HELP THEM I WANT TO ADD THEM TO THE FOLD. MY PRIORITIES CHANGE ACCORDING TO HOW THINGS ARE GOING. I CAN AFFORD TO BE MORE OPEN TO IDEAS AS MILLIONS MORE ARE USNG MMS. You invented the MMS protocol. It is flawed, but it is getting better. I suggest you find a chemist that understands these chemicals and have that person duplicate the tests that have been done to see if they get similar results to what is published. Next, find a medical professional that understand body chemistry and oxidation and discuss what safe levels of chlorite may be. Finally, arrange a visit to a water treatment plant that is using chlorine dioxide to purify water. Ask questions like why they try to limit the concentration of chlorine dioxide to 1.4 PPM or lower. If you bring a sample of your dose, they may even test it for you and tell you what the concentration of chlorine dioxide actually is. I'VE DONE ALL THIS. CAN'T FIND ANY CHEMISTS WHO UNDERSTAND IT ANY BETTER THAN YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE LISTENED TO ME HERE OR NOT, BUT THE FACT IS, I STILL DO UNDERSTAND THE CHEMISTRY. BUT AS FAR AS MEDICAL DOCTORS AND RESEARCH CLINICS ARE CONCERNED, I AM SURPRISED THAT YOU HAVE NOT FOUND OUT BY NOW THAT MEDICINE MANAGES DISEASES, NOT CURES DISEASES. THE LONGER YOU MANAGE A DISEASE THE LONGER YOU HAVE INCOME FROM THAT DISEASE. SORRY BUT I CAN'T USE THEIR UNDERSTANDING. IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED THAT I AM WORRIED. THANK'S FOR THE SUGGESTIONS BUT I ALREADY KNOW THEIR ANSWERS AND I HAVE ALREADY VISITED SEVERAL PLANTS.This will give you the information you need to adjust your claims, address safety, and adjust your protocol to something that is even more effective and safer to use. SOUNDS GREAT TOM, THEN WHY DO YOU WRITE AND TALK SO THAT DYING PEOPLE WON'T TRY MMS?

Tom > Jim, I'm forwarding this to you. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> From: Alvin Rose <ajroseca@...>> Date: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:44 PM> Subject: For Jim Humble can you get it to him or give me his private email address> Jim Humble> > > Hi Jim> this is a email I sent to Silver_fox Science as he is a heavy critic> of MMS on many group sites..I told him he is with Big Pharma> and I get no denial..Could you send me an email with your comments to set the findings right...> > > Hello Alvin,> > That explains it. Your chemistry is off.> > Chlorine dioxide is a gas. Period.> > Sodium chlorite is a stable form of chlorine dioxide. It has an alkaline PH and it releases chlorine dioxide as its PH is lowered. > > The immune system can't utilize chlorine dioxide because chlorine dioxide doesn't exist for any length of time inside the body. It is too unstable and there are too may organic materials in the body that it reacts with. Industry would love to have a way to determine how much chlorine dioxide exposure someone has had. However, since chlorine dioxide doesn't exist inside the body, they look at oxidative damage and chlorite concentration.> > NOT TRUE - CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN MANY INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE ORGANIC MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE.> > > The breakdown of chlorine dioxide to chlorite does have an oxidation potential of 0.95 volts, and it involves the chlorine dioxide gas loosing 1 electron and forming chlorite. Chlorite is what has the half life of some 40 hours inside the body, and is found in all the organs in the body including the brain. Keep in mind that it still has 4 electrons to oxidize with.> > THIS AGAIN IS DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO CHLORITE FOR ONLY A MILLISECOND. THAT'S ALL. IT THEN CONTINUES TO BREAK DOWN INTO TABLE SALT. ANYTHING THAT HAS THE .95 VOLTS TO PULL OFF THE FIRST ELECTRON ALWAYS PULLS OFF THE NEXT FOUR ELECTRONS TOO. IT NEVER REMAINS CHLORITE. CHEMICALLY IT CANNOT.> > > Chlorite causes oxidative stress to the organs in the body, and to the blood. That is why there are closely regulated limits on the amount of chlorite left in water after purification. The chlorite is formed when the chlorine dioxide breaks down. The extended half life allows for plenty of time to oxidize whatever it comes into contact with inside the body. This is also why the Canadian government came down hard on people supplying sodium chlorite for water purification. The directions they provided resulted in chlorite concentrations in excess of what is allowed and what is considered safe.> > THIS IS ALL PURE BULL. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE AS IT HAS BEEN SOLD IN HEALTH FOOD STORES FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS. THE NAME HAS BEEN STABILIZED OXYGEN FOR ALL THOSE YEARS HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING IT AND NOTHING BUT GOOD RESULTS HAS BEEN REPORTED. STABILIZED OXYGEN IS SODIUM CHLORITE IN WATER AND NOTHING ELSE. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOUR SELF. MOST HEALTH FOOD STORES STILL SELL IT. SILVER FOX KNOWS THIS AND IS SIMPLY LYING TO THE PUBLIC. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF, GO TO ANY HEALTH FOOD STORE.> > > As the chlorite breaks down, some chlorate is formed and also some chloride, but about 70% of the chlorine dioxide leaves the body through urine as chlorite. Chlorite is a lot different from common table salt.> > NOT TRUE- AGAIN. THIS DOES NOT FIT THE CHEMISTRY. CHECK WITH THE NEAREST UNIVERSITY, DON'T TAKE MY WORD. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO TABLE SALT AT ABOUT 98% BREAK DOWN. THE REST IS CHLORITE AND CHLORATE. NOT ENOUGH CHLORATE TO EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DAILY ALLOWANCE FROM A DOSE OF MMS, AND OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED ABOVE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE FOR 80 YEARS.> > > Chlorine dioxide is selective in that it does not chlorinate. Both chlorine and chlorine dioxide oxidize, but chlorine also combines with what it is oxidizing. Chlorine dioxide is more selective in that it does not combine. This has nothing to do with what it oxidizes. Take a whiff of chlorine dioxide gas and you will find that it oxidizes the tissues of the lungs. It does not take a high concentration to do this either. You run the possibility of irritating the lungs every time you mix up a dose of MMS. > > AMAZING AS IT MIGHT SEEM, SILVER FOX HAS ALMOST TOLD THE TRUTH HERE AS IF YOU BREATH WITHIN AN INCH OF A FULL STRENGTH MIXTURE OF MMS BEFORE YOU ADD WATER OR JUICE YOU CAN RISK IRRITATING YOUR LUNGS. BUT THEN YOU ALSO RUN THE SAME RISK WHEN YOU USE CHLOROX TO WASH YOUR CLOTHES AND THE GREATER RISK IS THE CHLOROX.> > > If chlorine dioxide was not harmful to the body, the animal studies would show no adverse effects. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Chlorine dioxide was studied in humans in one study and no adverse effects were observed. The concentration used was 5 PPM and the amount consumed was 500 ml per day for 13 weeks. If the MMS protocol limited the persons exposure to 5 PPM, and limited the length of time to 13 weeks of exposure, I would not be having this discussion. Unfortunately a 3 drop dose of MMS has a concentration of a little over 300 PPM.> > ONCE AGAIN SILVER FOX LIES BY BEING ONLY SLIGHTLY CORRECT. YES WHEN YOU MIX 6 DROPS OF MMS AND 6 DROPS OF CITRIC ACID ACTIVATOR, THE PPM IS ABOUT 300 PPM. THAT'S 12 DROPS OF 300 PPM. AFTER 20 SECONDS THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY TO ADD 1/2 GLASS OF WATER, AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DILUTE 12 DROPS OUT TO 1/2 GLASS OF WATER. YOU GUESSED IT, IT DILUTES OUT TO 5 PPM. SO IT IS 300 PPM ONLY DURING THE PREPARATION STAGE. WHICH NEVER TOUCHES THE PERSON PREPARING OR ANYONE ELSE.> > > Jim Humble says that chlorine dioxide has been well studied and even tested in humans. This is correct, they did test it at 5 PPM. He goes on to say that since it was safely tested, it is safe to use MMS. What he leaves out is that 5 PPM was found to be safe, but no humans looked at 300 PPM every hour for 8 hours a day. Just because it is safe at 5 PPM does not mean that it is safe at 300 PPM. AS I HAVE EXPLAINED IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE THAT IS NEVER TRUE. THE PERSON DOING THE TESTING NEVER TOUCHES THE 300 PPM UNTIL IT IS 5 PPM.> > > Jim Humble claims he has run thousands of tests. Were are the tests showing that he duplicated the human study using 300 PPM and there were no signs of oxidative stress or other adverse effects?> > WOW, DIDN'T REALIZE I EVER SAID THAT OR EVER CLAIMED THAT I RUN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I CERTAINLY DON'T REMEMBER THAT. LET ME TELL YOU THE TRUTH. I NEVER RAN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I RAN VERY FEW TESTS. I AM AN INVENTOR, NOT A SCIENTIST. NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A SCIENTISTS. SORRY. IN SOUTH AMERICA I GOT MALARIA, AND I DID NOTHING FOR IT FOR DAYS SO I COULD GET TO THE HOSPITAL TO PROVE I DID HAVE MALARIA. I WAS PRETTY SICK UPON ARRIVING AT THE HOSPITAL, BUT THEY CHECKED MY BLOOD AND VERIFIED I HAD MALARIA. I LEFT AND TOOK MY MMS RIGHT OUT SIDE OF THE HOSPITAL. I RETURNED THE NEXT DAY TO HAVE MY BLOOD TESTED AGAIN, AND I WAS NEGATIVE OF MALARIA. DOES THAT SOUND TO YOU LIKE I DID THOUSANDS OF TEST. AFTER THAT I TRAVELED THROUGH THE JUNGLE PROSPECTING AND CURING PEOPLE OF MALARIA, IT WAS ABOUT 100. PEOPLE, BUT THEY WEREN'T TESTS, THEY WERE SICK PEOPLE WHO NEEDED HELP. DO YOU THINK I SHOULDN'T HAVE HELPED ALL THOSE PEOPLE. DO YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE, SILVER FOX IS ASSUMING I SAID THINGS I DIDN'T AND THEN HE IS LYING ABOUT IT.> > > Dr. Hesselink address this. He mentions that it appears that oxidative stress does not occur if the solution is ingested 1 - 3 times a week. Who do you think has a better understanding of how things react inside the body... the inventor who made the discovery, or a medical doctor who believes in it and wants to document the proper and safe use of it?> > Jim Humble instructs people to add various juices to the mix to kill the taste. Dr. Hesselink is amazed that the dose with juice in it has any effect at all. Why? Because chlorine dioxide reacts with organic material and the colloids in the juice use up the chlorine dioxide. The taste is more tolerable because the amount of chlorine dioxide has been reduced. Wouldn't it make more sense just to reduce the dose amount and use water? Jim Humble has now finally suggested reducing the dose amount, but he hasn't stopped the juice recommendation. While this indicates some progress, there are still people taking MMS in an ineffective manor.> > WELL NOW LET ME SEE, THERE ARE ABOUT 2 MILLION USERS OF MMS AT THIS TIME. MORE THAN 5 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE DOWNLOADED MY FREE BOOK. I HAVE PERSONALLY TREATED MORE THAN 10 THOUSAND PEOPLE IN AFRICA, MEXICO, THE USA, EUROPE, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. MMS IS SOLD THROUGHOUT EUROPE AND MORE THAN 100 THOUSAND BOOKS HAVE BEEN SOLD IN GERMANY ALONE. IN FEBRUARY I JUST COMPLETE TREATING MORE THAN 800 CASES OF HIV. THOSE CASES ALL HAD 40 CASES OF CANCER, 50 CASES OF NUMB FEET AND LEGS, 5 CASES OF HEART DISEASE, MANY CASES OF HAP C, CASES OF MALARIA THAT WOULDN'T GO AWAY, AND ABOUT 20 OTHER DISEASES. ALL THOSE SYMPTOMS ARE GONE AS CHECKED BY THE LOCAL HOSPITAL. THEY ARE ALL BACK TO WORK AND TO THEIR LIVES. ONCE A PERSON HAS HIV THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE IT IS GONE, BUT THE FACT THAT HE IS FEELING GOOD, BACK TO HIS FAMILY, AND BACK TO HIS WORK, AND HAS PLENTY OF ENERGY. WE DON'T CARE DO WE. ALL WE WANTED WAS TO SEE HIM WELL AND HAPPY AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.> > > Jim Humble claims that chlorine dioxide is absorbed into the blood stream. Where is the test data that supports this? Since there are no instruments available that can measure chlorine dioxide levels in the blood, and science indicates that chlorine dioxide is broken down inside the body in seconds to minutes, how did he come up with this idea? It sounds good on the surface, but when you dig a little deeper it doesn't hold up. YES IT DOES, BECAUSE LOTS OF DOCTORS SAY IT DOES. NEVER SAID IT WAS MY DATA. IT COMES FROM DOCTORS. > > You say that I must hate Jim Humble. I say that I love him enough to hold him accountable for his claims.> > I don't put Jim Humble down. I encourage people to review the safety of using these chemicals and help them to understand what they are dealing with. Enough people have tried MMS to give us a good idea that it is not lethal, but I don't think we can say that it is safe. The medical professionals indicate that when properly used chemo and radiation therapies are safe. While I have witnessed a few remarkable successes involving sodium chlorite, I have also witnessed several successes of people undergoing surgery, chemo, and radiation. I have also witnessed the failure of sodium chlorite and surgery and chemo and radiation to work.> > According to Jim Humble, MMS will work against everything every time. However, even he ended up in the hospital. Fortunately he recovered. I happen to know that outside the body chlorine dioxide works 100% of the time. Why doesn't it work inside the body? The key to the success of chlorine dioxide is to have a concentration of it in contact with the pathogen for a specific period of time. Almost all of the harmful pathogens have been tested and the amount of chlorine dioxide needed to eliminate them has been tested and verified. However, when it comes to the body, there is too much organic material in the body. Chlorine dioxide reacts with this organic material and is quickly used up.> > That brings us full circle. There is no doubt that something works, but what is that something, and is it really safe?> > I would love to be able to tell you what a safe and effective protocol would be. However, all of the studies on safety have been done using chlorine dioxide technology, and MMS involves activated sodium chlorite technology. There are no studies looking at the safety of ingesting chlorous acid. I have already indicated that the MMS activation is not as effective as the activation ratio used in industry. However, there are some disinfecting properties associated with citric acid. Perhaps it is the excess citric acid that is helping people...> > If you go back and review what I have posted, you will find that in general I am supportive of Jim Humble. I just don't tolerate his claims that are contrary to science and testing, and I still haven't been able to verify his claims regarding his initial trips to Africa. Since I haven't been able to verify Jim Humbles claims, I have looked elsewhere. The medical professionals that use MMS state that it seems to benefit in some cases and that they use it in conjunction with other oxidative therapies. This is a lot different from Jim Humbles claim that it always works all of the time. The alternate cancer people also don't seem to enjoy the same results that Jim Humble claims. The various people on the various forums also don't seem to experience the same results that Jim Humble claims. There are some successes, but there are a lot of others that are not enjoying the instant, or near instant, benefit of taking a dose of MMS. This makes perfect sense once you understand the science behind chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid. The key is in delivering a concentration that is strong enough to kill the pathogen, and holding it there for the correct amount of time. There are many times when simply drinking something doesn't get the chlorous acid to where the pathogen is. > > I would love to work with more people on discovering more effective protocols. However, many people, including yourself, adopt what Jim Humble claims and ignore what science proves. Before progress can be made, the science and chemistry needs to be understood.> > Here is a test you can do to get you started. Mix up a 10 drop dose of MMS and activate it according to the MMS protocol. Have a clean empty glass handy. Take a mouthful of the dose into your mouth and swish it around in your mouth for 15 - 20 seconds, then spit it out into the other glass. Now have someone else observe if there is any chlorine dioxide odor of color to the solution you spit out. Where did all the chlorine dioxide go? If a very strong dose doesn't last 15 seconds in your mouth, how does chlorine dioxide get into the blood stream?> > WELL I AM SORT OF TIRED OF ANSWERING ALL THIS BULL, BUT LET ME ANSWER THIS ONE FINAL STUPID TEST THAT SILVER FOX SUGGESTS THAT YOU DO AS HE IS TOTALLY PROVING HIMSELF WRONG. DO WHAT HE SAYS AND MAKE A DOSE AND SWISH IS AROUND IN YOUR MOUTH AND SPIT IT OUT INTO ANOTHER GLASS. THE FIRST THING YOU MUST KNOW IS THAT STRONG MMS CAN BE IN SOLUTION WITHOUT ANY COLOR. SECONDLY, YOU CANNOT SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN SOLUTION. YOU ONLY SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE AIR. THIRD, IF YOU COVER THIS SOLUTION THAT YOU SPIT OUT WITH A TIGHT COVER AND THEN TEST IT FOR CHLORINE DIOXIDE WITH SIMPLE CHLORINE DIOXIDE INDICATOR STRIPS YOU WILL FIND CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN IT AFTER A FULL WEEK. GO AHEAD TRY IT. AND THEN WRITE ME. SILVER FOX HAS JUST PROVEN THAT HE IS TOTALLY WRONG.> > AGAIN LET ME SAY SILVER FOX IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS I DIDN'T DO THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I'M NOT INTO TESTING. WHEN PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING I LEAVE THE DOCTORS AND MEDICAL PEOPLE TO DO THE TESTING. PERSONALLY I TREAT THEM AND DO WHAT I KNOW TO DO TO STOP THEIR SUFFERING. THAT'S WHY THERE ARE MORE THAN 100 THOUAND PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE. IF I HAD WAITED FOR THE TESTING, MMS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN USED ANYWHERE. THE PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN THE EATING, AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE 100 MILLION DOLLAR TESTING IS DONE, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO THE EATING, AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE TRUE OF MMS AND THERE ARE MANY OF YOU OUT THERE THAT KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. > > FINALLY LET ME SAY THAT THE ABOVE CAPITAL LETTER COMMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE BY ME, JIM HUMBLE. IS SAY THAT SILVER FOX HAS NO UNDERSTANDING OF CHEMISTRY. HE HAS INVENTED HIS OWN CHEMISTRY TO BACK HIS OWN EVIL INTENTIONS. HE HAS BY HIS REMARKS PREVENTED MANY SUFFERING PEOPLE FROM GETTING WELL. IF THAT ISN'T EVIL I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.> > JIM HUMBLE> > ALVIN, WRITE TO ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU.

July 10, 2010

I am very happy to see this conversation between 2 people who apreciate and

admire . Perhaps we will see some advances in the use of MMS by an exchange of

ideas between thim. Alvin , thanks for facilitating this.

IN NC(moderator)

> > Jim, I'm forwarding this to you.

> >

> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > From: Alvin Rose <ajroseca@>

> > Date: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:44 PM

> > Subject: For Jim Humble can you get it to him or give me his private email

address

> > Jim Humble

> >

> > Hi Jim

> > this is a email I sent to Silver_fox Science as he is a heavy critic

> > of MMS on many group sites..I told him he is with Big Pharma

> > and I get no denial..Could you send me an email with your comments to set

the findings right...

> >

> > Hello Alvin,

> >

> > That explains it. Your chemistry is off.

> >

> > Chlorine dioxide is a gas. Period.

> >

> > Sodium chlorite is a stable form of chlorine dioxide. It has an alkaline

PH and it releases chlorine dioxide as its PH is lowered.

> >

> > The immune system can't utilize chlorine dioxide because chlorine dioxide

doesn't exist for any length of time inside the body. It is too unstable and

there are too may organic materials in the body that it reacts with. Industry

would love to have a way to determine how much chlorine dioxide exposure someone

has had. However, since chlorine dioxide doesn't exist inside the body, they

look at oxidative damage and chlorite concentration.

> >

> > NOT TRUE - CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN

MANY INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE

ORGANIC MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE.

> >

> > The breakdown of chlorine dioxide to chlorite does have an oxidation

potential of 0.95 volts, and it involves the chlorine dioxide gas loosing 1

electron and forming chlorite. Chlorite is what has the half life of some 40

hours inside the body, and is found in all the organs in the body including the

brain. Keep in mind that it still has 4 electrons to oxidize with.

> >

> > THIS AGAIN IS DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO

CHLORITE FOR ONLY A MILLISECOND. THAT'S ALL. IT THEN CONTINUES TO BREAK DOWN

INTO TABLE SALT. ANYTHING THAT HAS THE .95 VOLTS TO PULL OFF THE FIRST ELECTRON

ALWAYS PULLS OFF THE NEXT FOUR ELECTRONS TOO. IT NEVER REMAINS CHLORITE.

CHEMICALLY IT CANNOT.

> >

> > Chlorite causes oxidative stress to the organs in the body, and to the

blood. That is why there are closely regulated limits on the amount of chlorite

left in water after purification. The chlorite is formed when the chlorine

dioxide breaks down. The extended half life allows for plenty of time to oxidize

whatever it comes into contact with inside the body. This is also why the

Canadian government came down hard on people supplying sodium chlorite for water

purification. The directions they provided resulted in chlorite concentrations

in excess of what is allowed and what is considered safe.

> >

> > THIS IS ALL PURE BULL. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE AS IT HAS BEEN

SOLD IN HEALTH FOOD STORES FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS. THE NAME HAS BEEN STABILIZED

OXYGEN FOR ALL THOSE YEARS HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING IT

AND NOTHING BUT GOOD RESULTS HAS BEEN REPORTED. STABILIZED OXYGEN IS SODIUM

CHLORITE IN WATER AND NOTHING ELSE. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOUR SELF. MOST HEALTH FOOD

STORES STILL SELL IT. SILVER FOX KNOWS THIS AND IS SIMPLY LYING TO THE PUBLIC.

CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF, GO TO ANY HEALTH FOOD STORE.

> >

> > As the chlorite breaks down, some chlorate is formed and also some

chloride, but about 70% of the chlorine dioxide leaves the body through urine as

chlorite. Chlorite is a lot different from common table salt.

> >

> > NOT TRUE- AGAIN. THIS DOES NOT FIT THE CHEMISTRY. CHECK WITH THE NEAREST

UNIVERSITY, DON'T TAKE MY WORD. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO TABLE SALT AT

ABOUT 98% BREAK DOWN. THE REST IS CHLORITE AND CHLORATE. NOT ENOUGH CHLORATE TO

EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DAILY ALLOWANCE FROM A DOSE OF MMS, AND OF COURSE, AS

MENTIONED ABOVE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE FOR 80

YEARS.

> >

> > Chlorine dioxide is selective in that it does not chlorinate. Both

chlorine and chlorine dioxide oxidize, but chlorine also combines with what it

is oxidizing. Chlorine dioxide is more selective in that it does not combine.

This has nothing to do with what it oxidizes. Take a whiff of chlorine dioxide

gas and you will find that it oxidizes the tissues of the lungs. It does not

take a high concentration to do this either. You run the possibility of

irritating the lungs every time you mix up a dose of MMS.

> >

> > AMAZING AS IT MIGHT SEEM, SILVER FOX HAS ALMOST TOLD THE TRUTH HERE AS IF

YOU BREATH WITHIN AN INCH OF A FULL STRENGTH MIXTURE OF MMS BEFORE YOU ADD WATER

OR JUICE YOU CAN RISK IRRITATING YOUR LUNGS. BUT THEN YOU ALSO RUN THE SAME RISK

WHEN YOU USE CHLOROX TO WASH YOUR CLOTHES AND THE GREATER RISK IS THE CHLOROX.

> >

> > If chlorine dioxide was not harmful to the body, the animal studies would

show no adverse effects. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Chlorine dioxide

was studied in humans in one study and no adverse effects were observed. The

concentration used was 5 PPM and the amount consumed was 500 ml per day for 13

weeks. If the MMS protocol limited the persons exposure to 5 PPM, and limited

the length of time to 13 weeks of exposure, I would not be having this

discussion. Unfortunately a 3 drop dose of MMS has a concentration of a little

over 300 PPM.

> >

> > ONCE AGAIN SILVER FOX LIES BY BEING ONLY SLIGHTLY CORRECT. YES WHEN YOU

MIX 6 DROPS OF MMS AND 6 DROPS OF CITRIC ACID ACTIVATOR, THE PPM IS ABOUT 300

PPM. THAT'S 12 DROPS OF 300 PPM. AFTER 20 SECONDS THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY TO ADD

1/2 GLASS OF WATER, AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DILUTE 12 DROPS OUT TO 1/2

GLASS OF WATER. YOU GUESSED IT, IT DILUTES OUT TO 5 PPM. SO IT IS 300 PPM ONLY

DURING THE PREPARATION STAGE. WHICH NEVER TOUCHES THE PERSON PREPARING OR ANYONE

ELSE.

> >

> > Jim Humble says that chlorine dioxide has been well studied and even

tested in humans. This is correct, they did test it at 5 PPM. He goes on to say

that since it was safely tested, it is safe to use MMS. What he leaves out is

that 5 PPM was found to be safe, but no humans looked at 300 PPM every hour for

8 hours a day. Just because it is safe at 5 PPM does not mean that it is safe at

300 PPM. AS I HAVE EXPLAINED IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE THAT IS NEVER TRUE. THE

PERSON DOING THE TESTING NEVER TOUCHES THE 300 PPM UNTIL IT IS 5 PPM.

> >

> > Jim Humble claims he has run thousands of tests. Were are the tests

showing that he duplicated the human study using 300 PPM and there were no signs

of oxidative stress or other adverse effects?

> >

> > WOW, DIDN'T REALIZE I EVER SAID THAT OR EVER CLAIMED THAT I RUN THOUSANDS

OF TESTS. I CERTAINLY DON'T REMEMBER THAT. LET ME TELL YOU THE TRUTH. I NEVER

RAN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I RAN VERY FEW TESTS. I AM AN INVENTOR, NOT A SCIENTIST.

NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A SCIENTISTS. SORRY. IN SOUTH AMERICA I GOT MALARIA, AND I

DID NOTHING FOR IT FOR DAYS SO I COULD GET TO THE HOSPITAL TO PROVE I DID HAVE

MALARIA. I WAS PRETTY SICK UPON ARRIVING AT THE HOSPITAL, BUT THEY CHECKED MY

BLOOD AND VERIFIED I HAD MALARIA. I LEFT AND TOOK MY MMS RIGHT OUT SIDE OF THE

HOSPITAL. I RETURNED THE NEXT DAY TO HAVE MY BLOOD TESTED AGAIN, AND I WAS

NEGATIVE OF MALARIA. DOES THAT SOUND TO YOU LIKE I DID THOUSANDS OF TEST. AFTER

THAT I TRAVELED THROUGH THE JUNGLE PROSPECTING AND CURING PEOPLE OF MALARIA, IT

WAS ABOUT 100. PEOPLE, BUT THEY WEREN'T TESTS, THEY WERE SICK PEOPLE WHO NEEDED

HELP. DO YOU THINK I SHOULDN'T HAVE HELPED ALL THOSE PEOPLE. DO YOU SEE WHAT IS

HAPPENING HERE, SILVER FOX IS ASSUMING I SAID THINGS I DIDN'T AND THEN HE IS

LYING ABOUT IT.

> >

> > Dr. Hesselink address this. He mentions that it appears that oxidative

stress does not occur if the solution is ingested 1 - 3 times a week. Who do you

think has a better understanding of how things react inside the body... the

inventor who made the discovery, or a medical doctor who believes in it and

wants to document the proper and safe use of it?

> >

> > Jim Humble instructs people to add various juices to the mix to kill the

taste. Dr. Hesselink is amazed that the dose with juice in it has any effect at

all. Why? Because chlorine dioxide reacts with organic material and the colloids

in the juice use up the chlorine dioxide. The taste is more tolerable because

the amount of chlorine dioxide has been reduced. Wouldn't it make more sense

just to reduce the dose amount and use water? Jim Humble has now finally

suggested reducing the dose amount, but he hasn't stopped the juice

recommendation. While this indicates some progress, there are still people

taking MMS in an ineffective manor.

> >

> > WELL NOW LET ME SEE, THERE ARE ABOUT 2 MILLION USERS OF MMS AT THIS TIME.

MORE THAN 5 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE DOWNLOADED MY FREE BOOK. I HAVE PERSONALLY

TREATED MORE THAN 10 THOUSAND PEOPLE IN AFRICA, MEXICO, THE USA, EUROPE,

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. MMS IS SOLD THROUGHOUT EUROPE AND MORE THAN 100 THOUSAND

BOOKS HAVE BEEN SOLD IN GERMANY ALONE. IN FEBRUARY I JUST COMPLETE TREATING MORE

THAN 800 CASES OF HIV. THOSE CASES ALL HAD 40 CASES OF CANCER, 50 CASES OF NUMB

FEET AND LEGS, 5 CASES OF HEART DISEASE, MANY CASES OF HAP C, CASES OF MALARIA

THAT WOULDN'T GO AWAY, AND ABOUT 20 OTHER DISEASES. ALL THOSE SYMPTOMS ARE GONE

AS CHECKED BY THE LOCAL HOSPITAL. THEY ARE ALL BACK TO WORK AND TO THEIR LIVES.

ONCE A PERSON HAS HIV THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE IT IS GONE, BUT THE FACT THAT HE

IS FEELING GOOD, BACK TO HIS FAMILY, AND BACK TO HIS WORK, AND HAS PLENTY OF

ENERGY. WE DON'T CARE DO WE. ALL WE WANTED WAS TO SEE HIM WELL AND HAPPY AND

THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.

> >

> > Jim Humble claims that chlorine dioxide is absorbed into the blood stream.

Where is the test data that supports this? Since there are no instruments

available that can measure chlorine dioxide levels in the blood, and science

indicates that chlorine dioxide is broken down inside the body in seconds to

minutes, how did he come up with this idea? It sounds good on the surface, but

when you dig a little deeper it doesn't hold up. YES IT DOES, BECAUSE LOTS OF

DOCTORS SAY IT DOES. NEVER SAID IT WAS MY DATA. IT COMES FROM DOCTORS.

> >

> > You say that I must hate Jim Humble. I say that I love him enough to hold

him accountable for his claims.

> >

> > I don't put Jim Humble down. I encourage people to review the safety of

using these chemicals and help them to understand what they are dealing with.

Enough people have tried MMS to give us a good idea that it is not lethal, but I

don't think we can say that it is safe. The medical professionals indicate that

when properly used chemo and radiation therapies are safe. While I have

witnessed a few remarkable successes involving sodium chlorite, I have also

witnessed several successes of people undergoing surgery, chemo, and radiation.

I have also witnessed the failure of sodium chlorite and surgery and chemo and

radiation to work.

> >

> > According to Jim Humble, MMS will work against everything every time.

However, even he ended up in the hospital. Fortunately he recovered. I happen to

know that outside the body chlorine dioxide works 100% of the time. Why doesn't

it work inside the body? The key to the success of chlorine dioxide is to have a

concentration of it in contact with the pathogen for a specific period of time.

Almost all of the harmful pathogens have been tested and the amount of chlorine

dioxide needed to eliminate them has been tested and verified. However, when it

comes to the body, there is too much organic material in the body. Chlorine

dioxide reacts with this organic material and is quickly used up.

> >

> > That brings us full circle. There is no doubt that something works, but

what is that something, and is it really safe?

> >

> > I would love to be able to tell you what a safe and effective protocol

would be. However, all of the studies on safety have been done using chlorine

dioxide technology, and MMS involves activated sodium chlorite technology. There

are no studies looking at the safety of ingesting chlorous acid. I have already

indicated that the MMS activation is not as effective as the activation ratio

used in industry. However, there are some disinfecting properties associated

with citric acid. Perhaps it is the excess citric acid that is helping people...

> >

> > If you go back and review what I have posted, you will find that in

general I am supportive of Jim Humble. I just don't tolerate his claims that are

contrary to science and testing, and I still haven't been able to verify his

claims regarding his initial trips to Africa. Since I haven't been able to

verify Jim Humbles claims, I have looked elsewhere. The medical professionals

that use MMS state that it seems to benefit in some cases and that they use it

in conjunction with other oxidative therapies. This is a lot different from Jim

Humbles claim that it always works all of the time. The alternate cancer people

also don't seem to enjoy the same results that Jim Humble claims. The various

people on the various forums also don't seem to experience the same results that

Jim Humble claims. There are some successes, but there are a lot of others that

are not enjoying the instant, or near instant, benefit of taking a dose of MMS.

This makes perfect sense once you understand the science behind chlorine dioxide

and chlorous acid. The key is in delivering a concentration that is strong

enough to kill the pathogen, and holding it there for the correct amount of

time. There are many times when simply drinking something doesn't get the

chlorous acid to where the pathogen is.

> >

> > I would love to work with more people on discovering more effective

protocols. However, many people, including yourself, adopt what Jim Humble

claims and ignore what science proves. Before progress can be made, the science

and chemistry needs to be understood.

> >

> > Here is a test you can do to get you started. Mix up a 10 drop dose of MMS

and activate it according to the MMS protocol. Have a clean empty glass handy.

Take a mouthful of the dose into your mouth and swish it around in your mouth

for 15 - 20 seconds, then spit it out into the other glass. Now have someone

else observe if there is any chlorine dioxide odor of color to the solution you

spit out. Where did all the chlorine dioxide go? If a very strong dose doesn't

last 15 seconds in your mouth, how does chlorine dioxide get into the blood

stream?

> >

> > WELL I AM SORT OF TIRED OF ANSWERING ALL THIS BULL, BUT LET ME ANSWER THIS

ONE FINAL STUPID TEST THAT SILVER FOX SUGGESTS THAT YOU DO AS HE IS TOTALLY

PROVING HIMSELF WRONG. DO WHAT HE SAYS AND MAKE A DOSE AND SWISH IS AROUND IN

YOUR MOUTH AND SPIT IT OUT INTO ANOTHER GLASS. THE FIRST THING YOU MUST KNOW IS

THAT STRONG MMS CAN BE IN SOLUTION WITHOUT ANY COLOR. SECONDLY, YOU CANNOT SMELL

CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN SOLUTION. YOU ONLY SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE AIR. THIRD,

IF YOU COVER THIS SOLUTION THAT YOU SPIT OUT WITH A TIGHT COVER AND THEN TEST IT

FOR CHLORINE DIOXIDE WITH SIMPLE CHLORINE DIOXIDE INDICATOR STRIPS YOU WILL FIND

CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN IT AFTER A FULL WEEK. GO AHEAD TRY IT. AND THEN WRITE ME.

SILVER FOX HAS JUST PROVEN THAT HE IS TOTALLY WRONG.

> >

> > AGAIN LET ME SAY SILVER FOX IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS I DIDN'T DO THOUSANDS OF

TESTS. I'M NOT INTO TESTING. WHEN PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING I LEAVE THE DOCTORS AND

MEDICAL PEOPLE TO DO THE TESTING. PERSONALLY I TREAT THEM AND DO WHAT I KNOW TO

DO TO STOP THEIR SUFFERING. THAT'S WHY THERE ARE MORE THAN 100 THOUAND PEOPLE

ALIVE TODAY THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE. IF I HAD WAITED FOR THE TESTING,

MMS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN USED ANYWHERE. THE PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN THE

EATING, AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE 100 MILLION DOLLAR TESTING IS

DONE, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO THE EATING, AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE TRUE OF MMS AND

THERE ARE MANY OF YOU OUT THERE THAT KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.

> >

> > FINALLY LET ME SAY THAT THE ABOVE CAPITAL LETTER COMMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE

BY ME, JIM HUMBLE. IS SAY THAT SILVER FOX HAS NO UNDERSTANDING OF CHEMISTRY. HE

HAS INVENTED HIS OWN CHEMISTRY TO BACK HIS OWN EVIL INTENTIONS. HE HAS BY HIS

REMARKS PREVENTED MANY SUFFERING PEOPLE FROM GETTING WELL. IF THAT ISN'T EVIL I

DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

> >

> > JIM HUMBLE

> >

> > ALVIN, WRITE TO ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU.

>

July 10, 2010

I always believe that the truth is somewhere in the middle. :-)

From: laura <montemomma2002@...> Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 7:54:23 AMSubject: [ ] Re: SECOND REPLY FROM JIM HUMBLE TO TOM

I am very happy to see this conversation between 2 people who apreciate and admire . Perhaps we will see some advances in the use of MMS by an exchange of ideas between thim. Alvin , thanks for facilitating this. IN NC(moderator) > > Jim, I'm forwarding this to you. >

> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> > From: Alvin Rose <ajroseca@>> > Date: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:44 PM> > Subject: For Jim Humble can you get it to him or give me his private email address> > Jim Humble> > > > > > Hi Jim> > this is a email I sent to Silver_fox Science as he is a heavy critic> > of MMS on many group sites..I told him he is with Big Pharma> > and I get no denial..Could you send me an email with your comments to set the findings right...> > > > > > Hello Alvin,> > > > That explains it. Your chemistry is off.> > > > Chlorine dioxide is a gas. Period.> > > > Sodium chlorite is a stable form of chlorine dioxide. It has an alkaline PH and it releases chlorine dioxide as its PH is lowered. > >

> > The immune system can't utilize chlorine dioxide because chlorine dioxide doesn't exist for any length of time inside the body. It is too unstable and there are too may organic materials in the body that it reacts with. Industry would love to have a way to determine how much chlorine dioxide exposure someone has had. However, since chlorine dioxide doesn't exist inside the body, they look at oxidative damage and chlorite concentration.> > > > NOT TRUE - CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN MANY INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE ORGANIC MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE.> > > > > > The breakdown of chlorine dioxide to chlorite does have an oxidation potential of 0.95 volts, and it involves the chlorine dioxide gas loosing 1 electron and forming chlorite. Chlorite is what has the half life of some 40 hours

inside the body, and is found in all the organs in the body including the brain. Keep in mind that it still has 4 electrons to oxidize with.> > > > THIS AGAIN IS DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO CHLORITE FOR ONLY A MILLISECOND. THAT'S ALL. IT THEN CONTINUES TO BREAK DOWN INTO TABLE SALT. ANYTHING THAT HAS THE .95 VOLTS TO PULL OFF THE FIRST ELECTRON ALWAYS PULLS OFF THE NEXT FOUR ELECTRONS TOO. IT NEVER REMAINS CHLORITE. CHEMICALLY IT CANNOT.> > > > > > Chlorite causes oxidative stress to the organs in the body, and to the blood. That is why there are closely regulated limits on the amount of chlorite left in water after purification. The chlorite is formed when the chlorine dioxide breaks down. The extended half life allows for plenty of time to oxidize whatever it comes into contact with inside the body. This is also why the Canadian government came down hard on people

supplying sodium chlorite for water purification. The directions they provided resulted in chlorite concentrations in excess of what is allowed and what is considered safe.> > > > THIS IS ALL PURE BULL. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE AS IT HAS BEEN SOLD IN HEALTH FOOD STORES FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS. THE NAME HAS BEEN STABILIZED OXYGEN FOR ALL THOSE YEARS HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING IT AND NOTHING BUT GOOD RESULTS HAS BEEN REPORTED. STABILIZED OXYGEN IS SODIUM CHLORITE IN WATER AND NOTHING ELSE. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOUR SELF. MOST HEALTH FOOD STORES STILL SELL IT. SILVER FOX KNOWS THIS AND IS SIMPLY LYING TO THE PUBLIC. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF, GO TO ANY HEALTH FOOD STORE.> > > > > > As the chlorite breaks down, some chlorate is formed and also some chloride, but about 70% of the chlorine dioxide leaves the body through urine as chlorite. Chlorite is a lot different from common table

salt.> > > > NOT TRUE- AGAIN. THIS DOES NOT FIT THE CHEMISTRY. CHECK WITH THE NEAREST UNIVERSITY, DON'T TAKE MY WORD. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO TABLE SALT AT ABOUT 98% BREAK DOWN. THE REST IS CHLORITE AND CHLORATE. NOT ENOUGH CHLORATE TO EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DAILY ALLOWANCE FROM A DOSE OF MMS, AND OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED ABOVE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CHLORITE FOR 80 YEARS.> > > > > > Chlorine dioxide is selective in that it does not chlorinate. Both chlorine and chlorine dioxide oxidize, but chlorine also combines with what it is oxidizing. Chlorine dioxide is more selective in that it does not combine. This has nothing to do with what it oxidizes. Take a whiff of chlorine dioxide gas and you will find that it oxidizes the tissues of the lungs. It does not take a high concentration to do this either. You run the possibility of irritating the lungs every time you mix up a

dose of MMS. > > > > AMAZING AS IT MIGHT SEEM, SILVER FOX HAS ALMOST TOLD THE TRUTH HERE AS IF YOU BREATH WITHIN AN INCH OF A FULL STRENGTH MIXTURE OF MMS BEFORE YOU ADD WATER OR JUICE YOU CAN RISK IRRITATING YOUR LUNGS. BUT THEN YOU ALSO RUN THE SAME RISK WHEN YOU USE CHLOROX TO WASH YOUR CLOTHES AND THE GREATER RISK IS THE CHLOROX.> > > > > > If chlorine dioxide was not harmful to the body, the animal studies would show no adverse effects. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Chlorine dioxide was studied in humans in one study and no adverse effects were observed. The concentration used was 5 PPM and the amount consumed was 500 ml per day for 13 weeks. If the MMS protocol limited the persons exposure to 5 PPM, and limited the length of time to 13 weeks of exposure, I would not be having this discussion. Unfortunately a 3 drop dose of MMS has a concentration of a little over 300 PPM.> >

> > ONCE AGAIN SILVER FOX LIES BY BEING ONLY SLIGHTLY CORRECT. YES WHEN YOU MIX 6 DROPS OF MMS AND 6 DROPS OF CITRIC ACID ACTIVATOR, THE PPM IS ABOUT 300 PPM. THAT'S 12 DROPS OF 300 PPM. AFTER 20 SECONDS THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY TO ADD 1/2 GLASS OF WATER, AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DILUTE 12 DROPS OUT TO 1/2 GLASS OF WATER. YOU GUESSED IT, IT DILUTES OUT TO 5 PPM. SO IT IS 300 PPM ONLY DURING THE PREPARATION STAGE. WHICH NEVER TOUCHES THE PERSON PREPARING OR ANYONE ELSE.> > > > > > Jim Humble says that chlorine dioxide has been well studied and even tested in humans. This is correct, they did test it at 5 PPM. He goes on to say that since it was safely tested, it is safe to use MMS. What he leaves out is that 5 PPM was found to be safe, but no humans looked at 300 PPM every hour for 8 hours a day. Just because it is safe at 5 PPM does not mean that it is safe at 300 PPM. AS I HAVE EXPLAINED IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE

THAT IS NEVER TRUE. THE PERSON DOING THE TESTING NEVER TOUCHES THE 300 PPM UNTIL IT IS 5 PPM.> > > > > > Jim Humble claims he has run thousands of tests. Were are the tests showing that he duplicated the human study using 300 PPM and there were no signs of oxidative stress or other adverse effects?> > > > WOW, DIDN'T REALIZE I EVER SAID THAT OR EVER CLAIMED THAT I RUN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I CERTAINLY DON'T REMEMBER THAT. LET ME TELL YOU THE TRUTH. I NEVER RAN THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I RAN VERY FEW TESTS. I AM AN INVENTOR, NOT A SCIENTIST. NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A SCIENTISTS. SORRY. IN SOUTH AMERICA I GOT MALARIA, AND I DID NOTHING FOR IT FOR DAYS SO I COULD GET TO THE HOSPITAL TO PROVE I DID HAVE MALARIA. I WAS PRETTY SICK UPON ARRIVING AT THE HOSPITAL, BUT THEY CHECKED MY BLOOD AND VERIFIED I HAD MALARIA. I LEFT AND TOOK MY MMS RIGHT OUT SIDE OF THE HOSPITAL. I RETURNED THE NEXT DAY TO HAVE MY BLOOD TESTED

AGAIN, AND I WAS NEGATIVE OF MALARIA. DOES THAT SOUND TO YOU LIKE I DID THOUSANDS OF TEST. AFTER THAT I TRAVELED THROUGH THE JUNGLE PROSPECTING AND CURING PEOPLE OF MALARIA, IT WAS ABOUT 100. PEOPLE, BUT THEY WEREN'T TESTS, THEY WERE SICK PEOPLE WHO NEEDED HELP. DO YOU THINK I SHOULDN'T HAVE HELPED ALL THOSE PEOPLE. DO YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE, SILVER FOX IS ASSUMING I SAID THINGS I DIDN'T AND THEN HE IS LYING ABOUT IT.> > > > > > Dr. Hesselink address this. He mentions that it appears that oxidative stress does not occur if the solution is ingested 1 - 3 times a week. Who do you think has a better understanding of how things react inside the body... the inventor who made the discovery, or a medical doctor who believes in it and wants to document the proper and safe use of it?> > > > Jim Humble instructs people to add various juices to the mix to kill the taste. Dr. Hesselink is amazed that the

dose with juice in it has any effect at all. Why? Because chlorine dioxide reacts with organic material and the colloids in the juice use up the chlorine dioxide. The taste is more tolerable because the amount of chlorine dioxide has been reduced. Wouldn't it make more sense just to reduce the dose amount and use water? Jim Humble has now finally suggested reducing the dose amount, but he hasn't stopped the juice recommendation. While this indicates some progress, there are still people taking MMS in an ineffective manor.> > > > WELL NOW LET ME SEE, THERE ARE ABOUT 2 MILLION USERS OF MMS AT THIS TIME. MORE THAN 5 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE DOWNLOADED MY FREE BOOK. I HAVE PERSONALLY TREATED MORE THAN 10 THOUSAND PEOPLE IN AFRICA, MEXICO, THE USA, EUROPE, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. MMS IS SOLD THROUGHOUT EUROPE AND MORE THAN 100 THOUSAND BOOKS HAVE BEEN SOLD IN GERMANY ALONE. IN FEBRUARY I JUST COMPLETE TREATING MORE THAN 800 CASES OF HIV. THOSE

CASES ALL HAD 40 CASES OF CANCER, 50 CASES OF NUMB FEET AND LEGS, 5 CASES OF HEART DISEASE, MANY CASES OF HAP C, CASES OF MALARIA THAT WOULDN'T GO AWAY, AND ABOUT 20 OTHER DISEASES. ALL THOSE SYMPTOMS ARE GONE AS CHECKED BY THE LOCAL HOSPITAL. THEY ARE ALL BACK TO WORK AND TO THEIR LIVES. ONCE A PERSON HAS HIV THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE IT IS GONE, BUT THE FACT THAT HE IS FEELING GOOD, BACK TO HIS FAMILY, AND BACK TO HIS WORK, AND HAS PLENTY OF ENERGY. WE DON'T CARE DO WE. ALL WE WANTED WAS TO SEE HIM WELL AND HAPPY AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.> > > > > > Jim Humble claims that chlorine dioxide is absorbed into the blood stream. Where is the test data that supports this? Since there are no instruments available that can measure chlorine dioxide levels in the blood, and science indicates that chlorine dioxide is broken down inside the body in seconds to minutes, how did he come up with this idea? It sounds good on the surface,

but when you dig a little deeper it doesn't hold up. YES IT DOES, BECAUSE LOTS OF DOCTORS SAY IT DOES. NEVER SAID IT WAS MY DATA. IT COMES FROM DOCTORS. > > > > You say that I must hate Jim Humble. I say that I love him enough to hold him accountable for his claims.> > > > I don't put Jim Humble down. I encourage people to review the safety of using these chemicals and help them to understand what they are dealing with. Enough people have tried MMS to give us a good idea that it is not lethal, but I don't think we can say that it is safe. The medical professionals indicate that when properly used chemo and radiation therapies are safe. While I have witnessed a few remarkable successes involving sodium chlorite, I have also witnessed several successes of people undergoing surgery, chemo, and radiation. I have also witnessed the failure of sodium chlorite and surgery and chemo and radiation to work.> >

> > According to Jim Humble, MMS will work against everything every time. However, even he ended up in the hospital. Fortunately he recovered. I happen to know that outside the body chlorine dioxide works 100% of the time. Why doesn't it work inside the body? The key to the success of chlorine dioxide is to have a concentration of it in contact with the pathogen for a specific period of time. Almost all of the harmful pathogens have been tested and the amount of chlorine dioxide needed to eliminate them has been tested and verified. However, when it comes to the body, there is too much organic material in the body. Chlorine dioxide reacts with this organic material and is quickly used up.> > > > That brings us full circle. There is no doubt that something works, but what is that something, and is it really safe?> > > > I would love to be able to tell you what a safe and effective protocol would be.

However, all of the studies on safety have been done using chlorine dioxide technology, and MMS involves activated sodium chlorite technology. There are no studies looking at the safety of ingesting chlorous acid. I have already indicated that the MMS activation is not as effective as the activation ratio used in industry. However, there are some disinfecting properties associated with citric acid. Perhaps it is the excess citric acid that is helping people...> > > > If you go back and review what I have posted, you will find that in general I am supportive of Jim Humble. I just don't tolerate his claims that are contrary to science and testing, and I still haven't been able to verify his claims regarding his initial trips to Africa. Since I haven't been able to verify Jim Humbles claims, I have looked elsewhere. The medical professionals that use MMS state that it seems to benefit in some cases and that they use it in conjunction

with other oxidative therapies. This is a lot different from Jim Humbles claim that it always works all of the time. The alternate cancer people also don't seem to enjoy the same results that Jim Humble claims. The various people on the various forums also don't seem to experience the same results that Jim Humble claims. There are some successes, but there are a lot of others that are not enjoying the instant, or near instant, benefit of taking a dose of MMS. This makes perfect sense once you understand the science behind chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid. The key is in delivering a concentration that is strong enough to kill the pathogen, and holding it there for the correct amount of time. There are many times when simply drinking something doesn't get the chlorous acid to where the pathogen is. > > > > I would love to work with more people on discovering more effective protocols. However, many people, including yourself, adopt

what Jim Humble claims and ignore what science proves. Before progress can be made, the science and chemistry needs to be understood.> > > > Here is a test you can do to get you started. Mix up a 10 drop dose of MMS and activate it according to the MMS protocol. Have a clean empty glass handy. Take a mouthful of the dose into your mouth and swish it around in your mouth for 15 - 20 seconds, then spit it out into the other glass. Now have someone else observe if there is any chlorine dioxide odor of color to the solution you spit out. Where did all the chlorine dioxide go? If a very strong dose doesn't last 15 seconds in your mouth, how does chlorine dioxide get into the blood stream?> > > > WELL I AM SORT OF TIRED OF ANSWERING ALL THIS BULL, BUT LET ME ANSWER THIS ONE FINAL STUPID TEST THAT SILVER FOX SUGGESTS THAT YOU DO AS HE IS TOTALLY PROVING HIMSELF WRONG. DO WHAT HE SAYS AND MAKE A DOSE AND SWISH IS AROUND

IN YOUR MOUTH AND SPIT IT OUT INTO ANOTHER GLASS. THE FIRST THING YOU MUST KNOW IS THAT STRONG MMS CAN BE IN SOLUTION WITHOUT ANY COLOR. SECONDLY, YOU CANNOT SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN SOLUTION. YOU ONLY SMELL CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE AIR. THIRD, IF YOU COVER THIS SOLUTION THAT YOU SPIT OUT WITH A TIGHT COVER AND THEN TEST IT FOR CHLORINE DIOXIDE WITH SIMPLE CHLORINE DIOXIDE INDICATOR STRIPS YOU WILL FIND CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN IT AFTER A FULL WEEK. GO AHEAD TRY IT. AND THEN WRITE ME. SILVER FOX HAS JUST PROVEN THAT HE IS TOTALLY WRONG.> > > > AGAIN LET ME SAY SILVER FOX IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS I DIDN'T DO THOUSANDS OF TESTS. I'M NOT INTO TESTING. WHEN PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING I LEAVE THE DOCTORS AND MEDICAL PEOPLE TO DO THE TESTING. PERSONALLY I TREAT THEM AND DO WHAT I KNOW TO DO TO STOP THEIR SUFFERING. THAT'S WHY THERE ARE MORE THAN 100 THOUAND PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE. IF I HAD WAITED FOR THE TESTING, MMS WOULD

NEVER HAVE BEEN USED ANYWHERE. THE PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN THE EATING, AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE 100 MILLION DOLLAR TESTING IS DONE, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO THE EATING, AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE TRUE OF MMS AND THERE ARE MANY OF YOU OUT THERE THAT KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. > > > > FINALLY LET ME SAY THAT THE ABOVE CAPITAL LETTER COMMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE BY ME, JIM HUMBLE. IS SAY THAT SILVER FOX HAS NO UNDERSTANDING OF CHEMISTRY. HE HAS INVENTED HIS OWN CHEMISTRY TO BACK HIS OWN EVIL INTENTIONS. HE HAS BY HIS REMARKS PREVENTED MANY SUFFERING PEOPLE FROM GETTING WELL. IF THAT ISN'T EVIL I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.> > > > JIM HUMBLE> > > > ALVIN, WRITE TO ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU.>

July 10, 2010

not so much when it comes to YAHUWAH'S SET-APART WORD! YAHUWAH is our CREATOR'S true name. i hope this does'nt affend you my friend, i say this in love. blessings to you in YAH'S most set-apart name.

From: Arie Alon <maculeleh@...> Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 8:26:43 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Re: SECOND REPLY FROM JIM HUMBLE TO TOM

I always believe that the truth is somewhere in the middle. :-)

From: laura <montemomma2002>miracle_mineral_ supplementSent: Sat, July 10, 2010 7:54:23 AMSubject: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: SECOND REPLY FROM JIM HUMBLE TO TOM

I am very happy to see this conversation between 2 people who apreciate and admire . Perhaps we will see some advances in the use of MMS by an exchange of ideas between thim. Alvin , thanks for facilitating this. IN NC(moderator) > > Jim, I'm forwarding this to you.

> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> > From: Alvin Rose <ajroseca@>> > Date: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:44 PM> > Subject: For Jim Humble can you get it to him or give me his private email address> > Jim Humble> > > > > > Hi Jim> > this is a email I sent to Silver_fox Science as he is a heavy critic> > of MMS on many group sites..I told him he is with Big Pharma> > and I get no denial..Could you send me an email with your comments to set the findings right...> > > > > > Hello Alvin,> > > > That explains it. Your chemistry is off.> > > > Chlorine dioxide is a gas. Period.> > > > Sodium chlorite is a stable form of chlorine dioxide. It has an alkaline PH and it releases chlorine dioxide as its PH is lowered. >

> > > The immune system can't utilize chlorine dioxide because chlorine dioxide doesn't exist for any length of time inside the body. It is too unstable and there are too may organic materials in the body that it reacts with. Industry would love to have a way to determine how much chlorine dioxide exposure someone has had. However, since chlorine dioxide doesn't exist inside the body, they look at oxidative damage and chlorite concentration.> > > > NOT TRUE - CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS BEEN USED FOR 80 YEARS TO PURIFY WATER IN MANY INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS AND IN SPECIAL WATER PURIFICATION PLANTS BECAUSE ORGANIC MATERIALS MOSTLY HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE.> > > > > > The breakdown of chlorine dioxide to chlorite does have an oxidation potential of 0.95 volts, and it involves the chlorine dioxide gas loosing 1 electron and forming chlorite. Chlorite is what has the half life of some 40

hours inside the body, and is found in all the organs in the body including the brain. Keep in mind that it still has 4 electrons to oxidize with.> > > > THIS AGAIN IS DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION. CHLORINE DIOXIDE BREAKS DOWN INTO CHLORITE FOR ONLY A MILLISECOND. THAT'S ALL. IT THEN CONTINUES TO BREAK DOWN INTO TABLE SALT. ANYTHING THAT HAS THE .95 VOLTS TO PULL OFF THE FIRST ELECTRON ALWAYS PULLS OFF THE NEXT FOUR ELECTRONS TOO. IT NEVER REMAINS CHLORITE. CHEMICALLY IT CANNOT.> > > > > > Chlorite causes oxidative stress to the organs in the body, and to the blood. That is why there are closely regulated limits on the amount of chlorite left in water after purification. The chlorite is formed when the chlorine dioxide breaks down. The extended half life allows for plenty of time to oxidize whatever it comes into contact with inside the body. This is also why the Canadian government came down hard on people