Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 Hi, I’m new to the group and I have a question I’m hoping someone can help with. I’m taking MMS using the 1:1 activator. I purchase it from Project Greenlife. One drop of Citric Acid to one drop of MMS using the stronger concentration of Citric Acid. I’m also taking MMS2. Their info states it is the “New” Jim Humble formula. In all the literature, videos…etc Jim Humble promotes 1:5 ratio. For cancer, Jim Humble suggests ramping up to 15 drops 3 times a day, backing off when you have reaction but with the goal of taking 15 drops three times a day. There is also the 6 drops 6 times a day. There is also, per Project GreenLife, 3 drops each hour for 6 to 8 hours a day. Anyone have any idea which protocol is recommended or better and why? Jon Email: jdorrough@... Personal Website: http://www.jdorrough.us Book website: http://www.jdorrough.com Alumni website http://www.kindley.us Cancer Support Group: http://groups.google.com/group/healingcancer/ RVN 67-68 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of silverfox_science Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:29 AM To: Subject: Re: [ ] Hello Lee, HCl is hydrochloric acid. MMS is 22.4% sodium chlorite. You need to dilute it down to 5% and there are several posts that cover how to do that if you do some review. Tom > > > > > > > > > > Chlorine Dioxide is one of the top 4 bleaching agents in the pulp and > > > > paper industries. We used to make several thousand gallons a day at > > about 20 > > > > gm/litre. In the early days 1940's to 1980's it was made in a large > > lead > > > > lined vessel called a generator. It was initially charged with sodium > > > > chloride and sodium chlorate solutions and then 98% sulfuric acid was > > > > metered into the bottom (centre) and sulfur dioxide gas was bubbled > > into the > > > > bottom around the outside edge. The resulting gas was absorbed in ice > > water > > > > at the controlled strength. Since 1980 a more efficient, less hazardous > > > > process was developed. > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello , > > > > > > > > > > Sodium chlorite is listed with the EPA as a pesticide... > > > > > > > > > > Keep in mind that chlorine dioxide technology is usually used with > > mold, > > > > and that is different than the MMS protocol. > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > --- In < %40> > > < %40>, > > > > > > " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " <smannelli@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I just saw a youtube video on disinfecting mold in N Orleans after > > a > > > > > > hurricane, with MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > There was mention of killing termites with it as well. Has anyone > > tried > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 I did the older protocol with great success for lyme disease. Listen to your body Jon, the 6 drops 6 times a day may be easier on the system. If dealing with stealth disease be more aggressive. I also did the aids protocol with mms1 and mms2, which now has also changed. http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro-eng.htm So enter MMS2. When taken with MMS1, the two together have produced negative blood test readings (basically that means cured) in quite a few HIV cases so far. In fact, all of the cases receiving both MMS1 and 2 have checked negative (free from HIV). We don't have thousands of cases so far and we will produce the necessary case studies when the Foundation and Institute for Advanced MMS Studies is funded. But just to give you an idea, the protocol for HIV has been: three activated drops of MMS1 each hour for at least 8 hours during the day, plus one size zero capsule of MMS2 taken every two hours for eight hours per day - all done continuously for three weeks, then we submit blood to the testing lab. Oh yes, at first drink 2 glasses of water with the MMS2 capsule and then always one full glass of water thereafter with each capsule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just saw a youtube video on disinfecting mold in N Orleans > after > > > a > > > > > > > hurricane, with MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was mention of killing termites with it as well. Has > anyone > > > tried > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and used alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning. I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric acid, but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the stomach. Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a greater amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking and waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem? Thanks, -- [ ] Re: Proper dosage of MMS? I did the older protocol with great success for lyme disease. Listen to your body Jon, the 6 drops 6 times a day may be easier on the system. If dealing with stealth disease be more aggressive. I also did the aids protocol with mms1 and mms2, which now has also changed.http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro-eng.htmSo enter MMS2. When taken with MMS1, the two together have produced negative blood test readings (basically that means cured) in quite a few HIV cases so far. In fact, all of the cases receiving both MMS1 and 2 have checked negative (free from HIV). We don't have thousands of cases so far and we will produce the necessary case studies when the Foundation and Institute for Advanced MMS Studies is funded. But just to give you an idea, the protocol for HIV has been: three activated drops of MMS1 each hour for at least 8 hours during the day, plus one size zero capsule of MMS2 taken every two hours for eight hours per day - all done continuously for three weeks, then we submit blood to the testing lab. Oh yes, at first drink 2 glasses of water with the MMS2 capsule and then always one full glass of water thereafter with each capsule. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I just saw a youtube video on disinfecting mold in N Orleans> after> > > a> > > > > > > hurricane, with MMS.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There was mention of killing termites with it as well. Has> anyone> > > tried> > > > > > > this?> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Hello , First of all, sodium chlorite produces chlorine dioxide. This is different from chlorine. However, chlorine dioxide can also irritate the throat, but the body seems to tolerate it better than chlorine. When you activate the sodium chlorite it forms chlorous acid. When you mix HCl with chlorous acid there is very little change in the amount of chlorine dioxide released. You can run into a problem if you have a very strong unactivated mixture. This can react with HCl and give off a lot of chlorine dioxide gas in the stomach. This is why only low concentration solutions are used this way. You can get into real trouble by drinking straight sodium chlorite, so make sure you don't do that. Tom > > I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and used > alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may > convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning. > > I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric acid, > but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the stomach. > > Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS > preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a greater > amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking and > waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem? > > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 If acid converts NaClO2 to ClO2, then why use an activator at all? Won't the HCl reduce it without the help of citric acid or another acid? I am new to this and just now learning about the reactions so bare with me. -- [ ] Re: Proper dosage of MMS? Hello ,First of all, sodium chlorite produces chlorine dioxide. This is different from chlorine.However, chlorine dioxide can also irritate the throat, but the body seems to tolerate it better than chlorine.When you activate the sodium chlorite it forms chlorous acid. When you mix HCl with chlorous acid there is very little change in the amount of chlorine dioxide released.You can run into a problem if you have a very strong unactivated mixture. This can react with HCl and give off a lot of chlorine dioxide gas in the stomach. This is why only low concentration solutions are used this way. You can get into real trouble by drinking straight sodium chlorite, so make sure you don't do that.Tom>> I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and used> alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may> convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning.> > I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric acid,> but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the stomach.> > Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS> preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a greater> amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking and> waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem?> > Thanks,> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Hello , That is correct. People have used a product called " stabilized oxygen " in just that fashion for many years. Tom > > > > I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and used > > alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may > > convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning. > > > > I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric acid > > > but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the stomach. > > > > Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS > > preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a greater > > amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking and > > waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem? > > > > Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 On 2010-06-15 1:25 PM, silverfox_science wrote: >> If acid converts NaClO2 to ClO2, then why use an activator at all? >> Won't the HCl reduce it without the help of citric acid or another >> acid? >> >> I am new to this and just now learning about the reactions so bare >> with me. > That is correct. > > People have used a product called " stabilized oxygen " in just that > fashion for many years. Many people have very low HCl production (which causes many many problems all by itself), and it is my personal belief that this explains exactly why some people had results with stabilized oxygne type products, and others didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 What is the benefit if activating before drinking, and not just letting the stomach acid activate it? -- [ ] Re: Proper dosage of MMS? Hello ,That is correct.People have used a product called "stabilized oxygen" in just that fashion for many years. Tom> >> > I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and used> > alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may> > convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning.> > > > I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric acid> > > but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the stomach.> > > > Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS> > preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a greater> > amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking and> > waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem?> > > > Thanks,> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Hello , When you activate it outside of the body, you are dealing with a known amount. When you try to do this inside the body, it gets to be difficult because the amount of HCl in the body varies. While there are ways to stimulate HCl production in the body, there still can be variation. Of course everyone's body is a little different so there still is ample room for variation... The idea is that if you activate it before introducing it into the body, you eliminate one of the variables. Tom > > > > > > I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and > used > > > alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may > > > convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning. > > > > > > I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric > acid > > > > > but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the stomach. > > > > > > Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS > > > preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a greater > > > amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking > and > > > waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 I believe activating outside the body produces an incomplete reaction. If I use 10 drops of MMS and the appropriate amount of vinegar or whatever acid, there may be unreacted MMS left that will further react with the HCl so I don't see that it matters either way. Taking it unreacted would keep me from having to smell and taste it. Besides, I am sure most folks stomachs are producing 20 drops of HCl or we would have difficulty with foods passing from the stomach to the intestine. But I am still reading. Thanks. -- [ ] Re: Proper dosage of MMS? Hello ,When you activate it outside of the body, you are dealing with a known amount. When you try to do this inside the body, it gets to be difficult because the amount of HCl in the body varies.While there are ways to stimulate HCl production in the body, there still can be variation. Of course everyone's body is a little different so there still is ample room for variation...The idea is that if you activate it before introducing it into the body, you eliminate one of the variables.Tom> > >> > > I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and> used> > > alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may> > > convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning.> > > > > > I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric> acid> > > > > but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the stomach.> > > > > > Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS> > > preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a greater> > > amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking> and> > > waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Hello , Unfortunately, chemistry doesn't back up your belief... However, many people have claimed success using unactivated sodium chlorite, so there is no reason to avoid that. Tom > > > > > > > > I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and > > used > > > > alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may > > > > convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning. > > > > > > > > I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric > > acid > > > > > > > but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the > stomach. > > > > > > > > Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS > > > > preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a > greater > > > > amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking > > and > > > > waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Are you saying that HCl will not make the MMS react in the stomach? Because that is all I am saying. -- [ ] Re: Proper dosage of MMS? Hello ,Unfortunately, chemistry doesn't back up your belief...However, many people have claimed success using unactivated sodium chlorite, so there is no reason to avoid that.Tom> > > >> > > > I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and> > used> > > > alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may> > > > convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning.> > > > > > > > I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric> > acid> > > > > > > but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the> stomach.> > > > > > > > Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS> > > > preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a> greater> > > > amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking> > and> > > > waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem?> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Tom, My understanding has been that your recommend MMS5 unactivated for the most part to people wishing to try MMS. Is this correct? From: silverfox_science <poast@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Proper dosage of MMS? Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:13 PM Hello ,When you activate it outside of the body, you are dealing with a known amount. When you try to do this inside the body, it gets to be difficult because the amount of HCl in the body varies.While there are ways to stimulate HCl production in the body, there still can be variation. Of course everyone's body is a little different so there still is ample room for variation...The idea is that if you activate it before introducing it into the body, you eliminate one of the variables.Tom> > >> > > I spoke to my dentist today (he is a biol dentist and had cancer and> used> > > alt treatments to heal himself) and he warned that the stomach HCl may> > > convert MMS to chlorine gas which causes throat burning.> > > > > > I have seen the equations of mixing MMS with either vinegar or citric> acid> > > > > but these equations do not take in consideration the HCl in the stomach.> > > > > > Before I search the internet for info, does anyone know if MMS> > > preferentially reacts with citric acid even in the presence of a greater> > > amount of stomach HCl? I do realize that mixing them prior to drinking> and> > > waiting 10 mins is recommended, does that resolve the problem?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Hello , That is mostly correct... The MMS protocol uses too much citric acid during activation, so there is a possibility that the excess citric acid will react with the stomach HCl. When you add an acid to sodium chlorite, you form chlorous acid. If you take chlorous acid and add HCl to it, not much happens. The chlorous acid is already at a PH of about 3, and stomach acid isn't much lower than that, so you end up with a combination of chlorous acid and HCl. Unfortunately, chlorous acid does not aid digestion. Tom > > Are you saying that HCl will not make the MMS react in the stomach? Because > that is all I am saying. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Hello Agnes, I recommend using the 5% concentration of sodium chlorite because it is much safer to handle than the 22.4% concentration is. The key to using this chemical is the activation. When you use water to activate, you get one set of results, and when you use acids, you get another set of results. The key is to know what you are dealing with and what is the best way to get the chemicals in contact with the pathogens to kill them. Using water to activate eliminates the stomach disorders that people experience, eliminates the taste and odor issues, but it takes a little longer to kill the pathogens. I prefer slow and steady, and prefer to get my drama from a good book, so that suites me very well. Others prefer to incorporate a complete " colon cleanse " in their treatment, and seem to get some satisfaction from having constant diarrhea. I am not convinced that is necessary for healing, but I don't have enough testing data to promote it... It just makes sense to me. Tom > > Tom, > My understanding has been that your recommend MMS5 unactivated for the most part to people wishing to try MMS. Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Thank you Tom for your excellent explanations. I have had very good results with activated MMS but it was too harsh. I may try low dosage 3 drops in one quart of water twice a day of MMS unactivated for a short while as recommended by Dr. Loyd. This dosage muscled tested well according to Dr. Loyd. Hard for me to get down two quarts so probably at most end up with 4.5 drops MMS in 1 and 1/2 quarts of water. And then go to 5% MMS unactivated for maintenance. Thanks again. Agnes From: silverfox_science <poast@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Proper dosage of MMS? Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 9:00 PM Hello Agnes,I recommend using the 5% concentration of sodium chlorite because it is much safer to handle than the 22.4% concentration is.The key to using this chemical is the activation. When you use water to activate, you get one set of results, and when you use acids, you get another set of results. The key is to know what you are dealing with and what is the best way to get the chemicals in contact with the pathogens to kill them.Using water to activate eliminates the stomach disorders that people experience, eliminates the taste and odor issues, but it takes a little longer to kill the pathogens. I prefer slow and steady, and prefer to get my drama from a good book, so that suites me very well. Others prefer to incorporate a complete "colon cleanse" in their treatment, and seem to get some satisfaction from having constant diarrhea. I am not convinced that is necessary for healing, but I don't have enough testing data to promote it... It just makes sense to me.Tom>> Tom,> My understanding has been that your recommend MMS5 unactivated for the most part to people wishing to try MMS. Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 On 2010-06-15 6:00 PM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote: > Besides, I am sure most folks stomachs are producing 20 drops of HCl or > we would have difficulty with foods passing from the stomach to the > intestine. If this were true, then there wouldn't be so many people who received absolutely zero benefit from stabilized oxygen products for extended periods of time (I know a *lot* of people like that from other discussion lists long ago)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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