Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Hi Group, I am new here and have been reviewing posts. I am pleased to find a group of well informed people ! My family and I have been using MMS1 for over one year and just started the MMS2. So far at 1/4 capsule everyone is doing great ! We will be working up to full capsules over time. My question is for or others as I am replying to an older post. Referencing to MMS and pets (cats). How many drops did you use for the 3 days? We will be inheriting a 5 year old cat from my brother. She can't walk and has to hop on both hind legs. Could be a tumor as she also has bladder issues. She is about 11 lbs. So what dose should I start her out on ? The vet. says she will never walk but I really don't want to believe that without trying to help the poor cat first. Basically how many drops and for how long? Thank you very much, Deborah > > For the old dog, it was a matter of 3 or 4 days. For the tumors in the cats > in 2 weeks 2 of the tumors were gone and in another 2 weeks the last tumor > was gone. This was dosing them twice a day (with straight AMMS in tuna > fish) for about 3 days, then switching over to once a day, first thing in > the morning. > > After the tumors were gone, I continued for another few days and then > stopped. > > samala, > > www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt > Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body. The Am Wand helps > You get rid of it quickly and easily. Get the wand here > > -------Original Message------- > > I had been meaning to ask you this: > How long a period of time did you treat the dog and the cats this way? > And do you recall how long it was before you started seeing results, days, > weeks, months? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Thank you so much for your quick response ! " Hops " (thats what they named her..would like to change that name also !) will be here tomorrow. We will try the one drop and the tuna fish as you stated and keep a close eye on her. I will give an update after a bit on her progress. So we remain hopeful ! Also the VitC sounds great as we all take it daily and have the VC powder, so thats good. Thanks again ! Also , when you state MMS5, what is that? Sincerly, Deborah > > Boy, that's a tough one--simply because I used the 'old' method to help my > cats, but now I believe the 'new' method to be safer! I'm torn! > > I guess in this situation I would stick with the old method for a while, > just to get things started. Now that I know a bit more about how MMS is > working in the body (thanks Tom) I realize the food I was serving it in > probably helped cut back on the overload of acid and chlorine. So right now > that still seems best in serious cases. > > So--for a cat, it is always just 1 drop. For dogs and people it is 3 drops > per 25 pounds of weight, but I specifically asked Jim about cats and he said > just one drop. > > My method was 1 drop MMS to 5 drops 10% citric acid. Wait 3 minutes and > then stir this into a bit of tuna fish. A small enough amount that she will > eat it all, yet large enough for the tuna to help cover taste and smell. > You may have to experiment. > > I gave this twice a day for the first 3 days, then cut back to once a day > for a month. In 2 weeks 2 of the tumors were gone and in the next 2 weeks > the last tumor was gone. After that I stopped the MMS. > > Now, I would do this until I got the tumor reduced or gone. Then I would > switch the cat over to drinking the 2 and 1/2% MMS as per Tom's instructions > > > But now I would also be giving some vit. C to the cat later in the day. Say > you give the MMS in tuna for the first 3 days, twice a day. On the 4th day > when you drop back to 1 'dose' of MMS, say in the morning, then in the > evening I would now add some powdered C to some food, as the C is 1) a good > supplement against any cancer 2) a good supplement against any illness at > all and 3) needed as an antioxdant to offset the cell damage the oxidant > (MMS) could possibly do. > > Animals seem to respond to MMS even faster than humans. But do be careful > and watch her. She may still have a reaction to this 1 drop dose. If she > does, you can either half that dose or switch over to MMS5 as her drinking > water. > > Any questions, just ask. > > samala, > > www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt > Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body. The Am Wand helps > you get rid of it quickly and easily. Get the wand here > > -------Original Message------- > > My question is for or others as I am replying to an older post. > Referencing to MMS and pets (cats). > > How many drops did you use for the 3 days? We will be inheriting a 5 > year old cat from my brother. She can't walk and has to hop on both hind > legs. Could be a tumor as she also has bladder issues. She is about 11 > lbs. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 Hello , You are mixing things up a little... To make 5% sodium chlorite from 22.4% sodium chlorite you need to put 22.5 ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite in a measuring glass and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml. This will give you 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite. Adding 0.625 ml (1/8 teaspoon) of 22.4% sodium chlorite to 1 gallon of water will give you a good drinking solution for your pets. This solution has enough chlorine dioxide in it to keep slime and algae from forming on the water dish, and there will be a little left over to help the pets with any issues they may have. Tom > > Hi Deborah. The MMS5 is the 'new' 5% strength of MMS that our member Tom, > has worked out. > > To make this, get a gallon of good water (no city fluoride, etc) and add 1/8 > teaspoon of regular MMS from the green bottle. This makes the 5% strength, > or MMS5 as we now call it. > > This can be activated like regular MMS, though Tom has found (and backed by > people that have had trouble with the excess acid) that Jim's 'old' method > of using 5 drops of citric acid to 1 drop MMS, is just too much acid for > some bodies. Tom found that 1 drop of 10% citric acid to 1 drop of regular > strength MMS or the MMS5 is enough to fully activate it. > > That's why I said--it's hard to choose. I KNOW the old method worked for my > pets (and me) though I also KNOW that it was very hard on many people and > some pets. So I now feel that MMS5 is a much easier thing for body systems > to handle. > > Yet--because the old method is what totally got rid of the tumors in my 2 > cats, I would be hesitant to experiment when an animal already has a tumor. > I would use what I know worked, first, and then switch over to the milder > MMS5. > > It COULD be that the milder MMS5 would do the very same thing. But if it > was my pet going through this--I would want to use what I already know works > So--you see my dilemma. Do I use what is stronger and yet now feel > could be detrimental? Or would I use the safer, yet tumor unproven method? > For me, I would use the stronger method, yet I hesitate to tell others for > fear of hurting the animal. > > So--that's why I said--watch her closely. Three years ago, when I did this, > I also gave it to my dogs (old method) 'just because'. It gave my then 13 > year old dog more energy and cleared the cloudiness that was forming in his > eyes. He took his 6 drops of full strength MMS mixed with 30 drops citric, > because he is about 50 pounds, just fine. Never bothered him at all. > > Then, recently, I thought I would give him some again, as he has been > slowing down. He's now 16. So I mix up his usual amount and--he threw it > all up. Same with the second batch. What I think is that now, at his age > and worse state of health, it's too strong for him. So I'll be using the > MMS5 in his water now, unactivated, and see if he handles that ok. > > It's almost like starting over, and just learning about MMS. Back when I > first heard of it, everyone was experimenting and reporting all different > kinds of things, getting different reactions. It finally settled down, over > about a year's time, so that we had a specific frame of reference. Now it's > the same with MMS5. It's new, not enough people have reported on it yet, we > are getting different responses. So--perhaps a year from now we'll have > some references for that as well. > > And I think you are SO kind to give a home to this poor kitty and also to > change her name to something beautiful. Hops seems a tad cruel, though I'm > sure that was not their intent. But it does reinforce her not walking. You > are SO right to understand that our beliefs have a great deal to do with > what happens. > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > > > Thank you so much for your quick response ! > > " Hops " (thats what they named her..would like to change that name also > !) will be here tomorrow. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 Hello , If you add 0.625 ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite to 1 gallon of water you end up with 0.0037% sodium chlorite. Stabilized oxygen products over the years have had the range of 2% - 5% sodium chlorite, with the most common being 2.5%, 3.5% and 5%. If you happened to pass your mix on to Arie, that would explain why he didn't observe a reaction. 2 drops of 0.0037% sodium chlorite activated with 2 drops of 10% citric acid would give you about 0.02 PPM available chlorine dioxide with about 0.002 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. This concentration is below the odor detection level. It looks like we need to review concentrations... Sodium chlorite is stable chlorine dioxide. It is made from technical grade powder. Technical grade powder contains 80% sodium chlorite and 20% impurities. To make a solution, you measure the weight of the sodium chlorite and the weight of the water. For example to make MMS you put 28 grams of sodium chlorite and add about 72 grams of water. This is where you use a measuring cup because you want to end up with a total of 100 ml of solution. When dissolving a salt into water, the salt will take up some space but it is not the same amount of space that a liquid would. The goal is to end up with 28 grams of sodium chlorite powder dissolved in 100 ml of water. This gives us a solution that is 28% by weight sodium chlorite, but since the powder is only 80% sodium chlorite, we actually have (28 x 80%) 22.4% sodium chlorite. 22.4% of 1 million gives us a maximum of 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. Dilutions are all about ratios. Once you get the hang of them, they are very easy to do. If I want 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and want to make it from 22.4% sodium chlorite we just have to look at the ratio. I take 100 and multiply it by 5 to get 500. Now divide the 500 by 22.4 to get 22.32. I rounded that up to 22.5 ml to accommodate those who do not have access to a syringe and are trying to measure using measuring spoons. 22.5 ml = 1 Tablespoon + 1 teaspoon + 1/2 teaspoon. However, the accurate measurement would be 22.32 ml. You would put 22.32 ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite into a measuring device and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml. Now you have 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite. 5% of 1 million gives us a maximum of 50000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. If we want some 2.5% sodium chlorite, and are starting out with 5% sodium chlorite the ratio is simple. Put half of the amount you want to end up with as 5% sodium chlorite and add water as the other half. You end up with 2.5% sodium chlorite. 2.5% of 1 million gives us a maximum of 25000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. Tom > > Well shoot--I could have sworn you said the eighth to a gallon made 5%. > Rats. Now I have to go and retell people correctly. > > Is the eighth to a gallon the 2and a half percent, or the 1 and a quarter? > Which is the one close to the stabilized oxygen. > > Just when I think I have the math figured out, you throw me a curve again. > -) > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > > > You are mixing things up a little... > > To make 5% sodium chlorite from 22.4% sodium chlorite you need to put 22.5 > ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite in a measuring glass and add enough water to > make a total of 100 ml. This will give you 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Hello , Let me start by sharing a famous quote... " not only no, but hell no... " [really big smile] I must say that really made me laugh. And here I have been taking extreme care to keep things simple... While our priorities are different, I will cut to the chase and " spoon feed " you for now. We can continue to teach you how to cook for yourself later. My priority is to have people understand what they are getting into, then they can decide if oxidation will help them. Your priority seems to be to oxidize people, then figure out what happened later. In all seriousness, I fully understand that people have urgent needs and it is convenient to simply say take 3 drops every 2 hours and be done with it. However, I have run into hundreds of cases where that doesn't work. I am trying to figure out why it works, and why it doesn't work. This is where all the talk about PPM and concentrations comes in. Industry has done a lot of work figuring out what works and what doesn't work. Jim Humble throws out a drop dosage and when it doesn't work, he tells you to chlorinate your colon and to keep up the good fight. I think Dr. Hesselink has a much better understanding of how the human body works and how it may be possible for acidified sodium chlorite to aid the body in healing. OK, let me set some ground rules for question answering. I live in a world of ml, cc, and liters. Here is an inexpensive set of measuring cups and spoons that are labeled in both teaspoons and ml. http://www.amazon.com/Progressive-International-19-Piece-Measuring-Spoon/dp/B001\ 4Y4X3G/ref=pd_sim_indust_2 In addition, here is a conversion site that allows you to plug in ml and get teaspoons. http://www.onlineconversion.com/ Also, here is a source for syringes. http://www.jefferspet.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=0 & mscssid=A1KBXLN67QQE9PKDN50GDUTG\ 716HBF1B & pf_id=0029533 You are most interested in the 1 ml, 12 ml, and 60 ml. Please note that I am just providing links to the product you need to make accurate measurements. You can do a search for metric measuring spoons and Luer slip syringes and purchase them from where you find the best deal. I purchase 1 ml and 12 ml in boxes of 100 and go through them in a couple of months. The disposable syringes have the markings on the outside, and the markings will rub off when they get wet and you rub your fingers across them. I use them several times, rinsing them out after use with distilled water, but once the markings wear off, I toss them. OK, now you have the tools to either convert ml to " spoons " or you can purchase the proper tools and work directly in ml. By the way... Don't you live in Canada? The last time I was in Canada I could only purchase gas in liters. Do they still sell gas by the gallon where you live? OK, enough of being a smart ass... and on to the questions. 0.625 ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite in 1 gallon of water makes 0.0037%. This is a lot less than 5%. To make 1 gallon of 5% you need to use 848 ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite. The 5% sodium chlorite is much to strong to drink directly, for either pets or humans. If I may just get carried away for a little longer... The reason to use 5% is that it is much safer to handle than the 22.4%. This is a safety issue. To make 1 liter of 5% from 22.4% you would put 223 ml of the 22.4% and fill the rest of the liter with water. I use 250 ml bottles for my 5%, so to make 250 ml of 5% from 22.4% you would put 55.8 ml of 22.4% into the bottle and add distilled water to make a total of 250 ml. Drops as a measurement are imprecise at best. Everyone I run across gets different drop counts, until they spend some time in training learning how to properly form drops. However, in the interests of conversion I will offer the following... Properly formed there are 17 drops of 22.4% sodium chlorite in 1 ml. Since Jim Humble has set things up using drops, I will supply a conversion between drops of MMS and ml of 5%. 1 drop of MMS is the same as 0.26 ml of 5%. 2 drops of MMS is the same as 0.53 ml of 5%. 3 drops of MMS is the same as 0.79 ml of 5%. 4 drops of MMS is the same as 1.05 ml of 5%. 5 drops of MMS is the same as 1.32 ml of 5%. 6 drops of MMS is the same as 1.58 ml of 5%. 7 drops of MMS is the same as 1.85 ml of 5%. 8 drops of MMS is the same as 2.11 ml of 5%. 9 drops of MMS is the same as 2.37 ml of 5%. 10 drops of MMS is the same as 2.64 ml of 5%. 11 drops of MMS is the same as 2.90 ml of 5%. 12 drops of MMS is the same as 3.16 ml of 5%. 13 drops of MMS is the same as 3.43 ml of 5%. 14 drops of MMS is the same as 3.69 ml of 5%. 15 drops of MMS is the same as 3.95 ml of 5%. 16 drops of MMS is the same as 4.22 ml of 5%. 17 drops of MMS is the same as 4.48 ml of 5%. Now, when someone talks about a 3 drop dose of MMS, you know that is the same as 0.79 ml of 5%. The most effective activation occurs when you use a 1:1 ratio with 10% citric acid. Instead of 3 drops of MMS activated with 30 drops of 10% citric, you now use 0.79 ml of 5% activated with 0.79 ml of 10% citric acid. Here are some common " spoon " measurements. 1/8 teaspoon = 0.625 ml. 1/4 teaspoon = 1.25 ml. 1/2 teaspoon = 2.5 ml. 1 teaspoon = 5.0 ml. 1 Tablespoon = 15.0 ml. Let's move on to water for pets. If the pets have health issues, start them on 2.5 ml of 5% per gallon of water. You use this for a few weeks before dropping down. By the way, 2.5 ml = 1/2 teaspoon... After a few weeks, use 2.5 ml of 5% per 2 gallons of water. In normal use you would use 2.5 ml of 5% per 4 gallons of water. A smaller batch would be 0.625 ml of 5% in 1 gallon of water. OK, before we dismiss class and go on to the next set of questions, I must insist that there be no name calling... You are not dense, or stupid, or anything else. You know enough to ask questions and the only stupid or dense question is the question that is not asked. If you are feeling frustrated in your efforts to understand all of this, then I am the one that has failed you. I am supposed to present the information in a way that it is easily understood. It looks like I have a way to go, but I will do my best to help you understand. I apologize for letting you down. Tom > > Tom, I love that you explain everything so clearly. But--all those numbers > just go in one ear and out the other. I guess for my purposes I have no > need to remember all that--my needs just dictate needing to know the formula > from memory. As in one eighth teaspoon to a gallon of water. THAT sticks. > I can always go back and research if someone needs more specific information > though I have rarely been asked for that. > > Most of the people I talk to are like me--they just want 'the facts, ma'm, > just the facts'. Lol > > So--in simple terms, please. > > One eighth teaspoon MMS (never mind the % solution because everyone I'm > talking to doesn't have the flakes, only a purchased bottle of MMS) to 1 > gallon water makes close to 2 and 1/2%?. > > > And this would mean that 1/8 teaspoon in a half gallon of water would make a > 5% solution? So a quarter teaspoon to a gallon for a 5%, if they wanted to > make a gallon at a time? > > > Because most of us non-techie types don't do mls. We do cups, ounces, > teaspoons. I just went and looked at a measuring cup I had that has both > ounces and ml and it looks like 100ml is about a half a cup? > > People don't really care to know how much available ppm of chlorine they are > getting--they just want something simple they can use. I totally understand > that knowing these things is a great idea, and terribly useful. But I also > know that most of the ones I have talked to (here locally) have a hard time > with just the eighth to a gallon, divide that into 2 gallons and then into 4 > gallon. I've had to write it out for them, because they get too confused. > Heck, I'm confused now!! Lol > > So those are the ones I have to go back and tell, and on the other list > where I've posted the 'recipe'. I can't remember if I've told Arie wrong, > but I probably have. sigh > > So I need something easy for people, that they can just go home and do. > They are stressed because they are sick, or their pet is sick, and they are > trying a lot of stuff, and they can't grasp (in all the confusion) how to > determine how much ppm of chlorine dioxide they'll need. They want me to > say -- put x number of drops in x amount of water. Give this as their > drinking water. > > Or, if it's serious and I think they should activate, yet don't want to > overwhelm them with the old protocol, I should be able to say " take x amount > of MMS5 and add x amount of 10% acid, let sit for 10 minutes " . > > Can you give this to me/us? You usually start off with all the percentages, > the ppms, the mix of chlorite, chloride, chloris, etc. Not many people feel > they need to know this. > > I agree that we DO need it, but as I said--it's something we can study at a > later point. For the stress times of trying to get someone well, it can be > too much. Because even though I'm not fighting anything here, when I see > all those numbers, my head hurts!!! And I actually thought I had it figured > out, as you can tell from that other post of mine--and as you can also tell, > I was wrong! Lol I do flag these 'complicated' posts, though, so I can go > back when I'm in a calm mood, and try to absorb all the facts and figures. > But as you have seen--my quick understanding, (because of these facts and > figures) was completely off. > > And I understand that you are trying to make it simple for us, so that we > can understand how MMS actually works, and why. And I know that drops and > teaspoons :-) aren't your method of measure. These measurements, figures > and chemicals come easier to you because you work with them all the time. > Most of us do not. I only follow recipes--so when Jim said put x amount of > SC flakes in x amount of water and it makes 28% MMS, that's what I did and > what I understood it to be. You say it is only 22.4%. You understand WHY > that is. I only know what Jim's book said. Now I can tell people it's 'not > really 28% " but in all honesty--they don't care. They trust me to have made > it according to the recipe and whether I call it 28% or 22%, makes them no > difference. They just want MMS, made correctly. That's what I do, so I > would also like to be able to give them a simple to follow 'recipe' for the > MMS5, activated and unactivated, and a protocol of stepping down from the 5% > to the safe stabilized oxygen content. Perhaps in both drop form (for > single use) and in large amounts for drinking water for their pets. > > So--can you help me out here? Because, as you can see, I'm just screwing it > up now. > > If I'm telling someone to make up an unactivated 5% solution, in a larger > amount so that they can use this for the first 3 weeks of their pets > drinking water--what would that be for a gallon? If my understanding is > correct (which it likely is not) wouldn't it be 1/4 teaspoon to a gallon? > This would last my dogs one day, but for someone with a single, small dog, > this may last several days to a week. > > I understand halving that 5% to make the 2 and a half%, which is closer to > the stabilized oxygen, right? That's what is possible to drink every > day--in small amounts. > > My old bottle of stabilized oxygen (cell food, which I believe is stabilized > o and some nutritional additives) said 7 drops 3 times a day in a glass of > water. So if I made up my own I could fill a dropper bottle with it and use > it like Cell Food, 7 drops 3 times a day. Correct? > > Now I understand about making up a small 100ml batch of MMS5 and putting it > in a bottle for activating, when that is necessary. > > Didn't you say that you suggested straight MMS5 for drinking water for a dog > with cancer, for up to 3 weeks or until improvement was noted, then switch > to half that strength for about 3 to 4 weeks, then half that again for the > rest of the time? > > Sorry I'm being so dense, but I really do need a simple formula without lots > of numbers or chemicals, to give to people. Kind of like Jim's thing of " 3 > drops MMS to 30 drops acid " . :-) Maybe 1 drop MMS5 to 1 drop 10% acid or > 1/8 teaspoon to a half gallon of water to make a half gallon of MMS5. That > sort of thing. > > And if I'm asking for too much, or too simplified, just say " not only no, > but hell no " ;-) > > Samala, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Hello , You can take the links and the breakdown I posted in my reply to and make that available as a separate resource. I am working on brewing up a batch of " head stickers... " [bit smile] When I get that figured out, the information will go in one ear and get stuck. Perhaps you could come up with a set of questions and I can provide some answers and we can use that as a resource too. Tom > > > From: <gaiacita@...> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: MMS and pets/ > > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 1:54 PM > > >  > > > > > > > > > Tom, I love that you explain everything so clearly. But--all those numbers just go in one ear and out the other. I guess for my purposes I have no need to remember all that--my needs just dictate needing to know the formula from memory. As in one eighth teaspoon to a gallon of water. THAT sticks. I can always go back and research if someone needs more specific information, though I have rarely been asked for that.  >  > Most of the people I talk to are like me--they just want 'the facts, ma'm, just the facts'. Lol >  > So--in simple terms, please. >  > One eighth teaspoon MMS (never mind the % solution because everyone I'm talking to doesn't have the flakes, only a purchased bottle of MMS) to 1 gallon water makes close to 2 and 1/2%?. >  >  > And this would mean that 1/8 teaspoon in a half gallon of water would make a 5% solution? So a quarter teaspoon to a gallon for a 5%, if they wanted to make a gallon at a time? >  >  > Because most of us non-techie types don't do mls. We do cups, ounces, teaspoons. I just went and looked at a measuring cup I had that has both ounces and ml and it looks like 100ml is about a half a cup? >  > People don't really care to know how much available ppm of chlorine they are getting--they just want something simple they can use. I totally understand that knowing these things is a great idea, and terribly useful. But I also know that most of the ones I have talked to (here locally) have a hard time with just the eighth to a gallon, divide that into 2 gallons and then into 4 gallon. I've had to write it out for them, because they get too confused. Heck, I'm confused now!! Lol >  > So those are the ones I have to go back and tell, and on the other list where I've posted the 'recipe'. I can't remember if I've told Arie wrong, but I probably have. sigh >  > So I need something easy for people, that they can just go home and do. They are stressed because they are sick, or their pet is sick, and they are trying a lot of stuff, and they can't grasp (in all the confusion) how to determine how much ppm of chlorine dioxide they'll need. They want me to say -- put x number of drops in x amount of water. Give this as their drinking water. >  > Or, if it's serious and I think they should activate, yet don't want to overwhelm them with the old protocol, I should be able to say " take x amount of MMS5 and add x amount of 10% acid, let sit for 10 minutes " . >  > Can you give this to me/us? You usually start off with all the percentages, the ppms, the mix of chlorite, chloride, chloris, etc. Not many people feel they need to know this. >  > I agree that we DO need it, but as I said--it's something we can study at a later point. For the stress times of trying to get someone well, it can be too much. Because even though I'm not fighting anything here, when I see all those numbers, my head hurts!!! And I actually thought I had it figured out, as you can tell from that other post of mine--and as you can also tell, I was wrong! Lol I do flag these 'complicated' posts, though, so I can go back when I'm in a calm mood, and try to absorb all the facts and figures. But as you have seen--my quick understanding, (because of these facts and figures) was completely off. >  > And I understand that you are trying to make it simple for us, so that we can understand how MMS actually works, and why. And I know that drops and teaspoons :-) aren't your method of measure. These measurements, figures and chemicals come easier to you because you work with them all the time. Most of us do not. I only follow recipes--so when Jim said put x amount of SC flakes in x amount of water and it makes 28% MMS, that's what I did and what I understood it to be. You say it is only 22.4%. You understand WHY that is. I only know what Jim's book said. Now I can tell people it's 'not really 28% " but in all honesty--they don't care. They trust me to have made it according to the recipe and whether I call it 28% or 22%, makes them no difference. They just want MMS, made correctly. That's what I do, so I would also like to be able to give them a simple to follow 'recipe' for the MMS5, activated and unactivated, and a protocol of > stepping down from the 5% to the safe stabilized oxygen content. Perhaps in both drop form (for single use) and in large amounts for drinking water for their pets. >  > So--can you help me out here? Because, as you can see, I'm just screwing it up now. >  > If I'm telling someone to make up an unactivated 5% solution, in a larger amount so that they can use this for the first 3 weeks of their pets drinking water--what would that be for a gallon? If my understanding is correct (which it likely is not) wouldn't it be 1/4 teaspoon to a gallon? This would last my dogs one day, but for someone with a single, small dog, this may last several days to a week. >  > I understand halving that 5% to make the 2 and a half%, which is closer to the stabilized oxygen, right? That's what is possible to drink every day--in small amounts. >  > My old bottle of stabilized oxygen (cell food, which I believe is stabilized o and some nutritional additives) said 7 drops 3 times a day in a glass of water. So if I made up my own I could fill a dropper bottle with it and use it like Cell Food, 7 drops 3 times a day. Correct? >  > Now I understand about making up a small 100ml batch of MMS5 and putting it in a bottle for activating, when that is necessary. >  > Didn't you say that you suggested straight MMS5 for drinking water for a dog with cancer, for up to 3 weeks or until improvement was noted, then switch to half that strength for about 3 to 4 weeks, then half that again for the rest of the time? >  > Sorry I'm being so dense, but I really do need a simple formula without lots of numbers or chemicals, to give to people. Kind of like Jim's thing of " 3 drops MMS to 30 drops acid " . :-) Maybe 1 drop MMS5 to 1 drop 10% acid or 1/8 teaspoon to a half gallon of water to make a half gallon of MMS5. That sort of thing. >  > And if I'm asking for too much, or too simplified, just say " not only no, but hell no "  ;-) >  > Samala, > >  >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Hello Carole, It looks like I will be safe if I stick to ml and liters. Tom > >> > >> Well shoot--I could have sworn you said the eighth to a gallon made 5%. > >> Rats. Now I have to go and retell people correctly. > >> > >> Is the eighth to a gallon the 2and a half percent, or the 1 and a > >> quarter? > >> Which is the one close to the stabilized oxygen. > >> > >> Just when I think I have the math figured out, you throw me a curve > >> again. > >> -) > >> > >> Samala, > >> > >> > >> -------Original Message------- > >> > >> > >> You are mixing things up a little... > >> > >> To make 5% sodium chlorite from 22.4% sodium chlorite you need to put > >> 22.5 > >> ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite in a measuring glass and add enough water to > >> make a total of 100 ml. This will give you 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite. > >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4580 (20091106) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Hello , Oh, Texas... That explains a lot... [big smile] Just kidding, of course. Yes 250 ml is a little over 8 ounces. I use this amount because it is handy to travel with and it is the size of the bottles I have. Yes, for the drinking water we are using water as the activator. Remember that the 5% concentration can do everything the 22.4% concentration can do, and it is safer to handle. You just need to adjust the amounts used. If you think Jim's amount are helpful, I have given you the conversion to go from drops of MMS to ml of 5%, so just use that. You will have better results using the optimum activation ratio of 1:1 with 10% citric acid. I read that someone was using 50% citric acid. In that case you use a 5:1 ratio. That is 5 parts sodium chlorite to 1 part 50% citric acid. In all cases the activation time is 10 minutes. This means that you would activated solutions just as you have been using them before. You simply adjust the amounts to allow for the 5% concentration, and use optimum activation. I think you should just offer 5% sodium chlorite and provide a 1 ml syringe and the conversion chart to go from drops of MMS to ml of 5%. This way you wouldn't risk having the shipping authorities come down on you for improper labeling, and the person receiving the product would have something that is much safer to handle. Jim Humble covers this in his book. He must have spent some time in Texas because he just had to make the concentration bigger rather than use the much safer concentration used in stabilized oxygen products. This is where I digress into PPM. Remember we are mixing up about 150 PPM available chlorine dioxide (about 3 drops of MMS). In the case of the 22.4% concentration we are starting with 224000 PPM and diluting that down to 150 PPM. This is why only very small amounts are used. In the case of the 5% sodium chlorite, we are still going for the 150 PPM, but we are starting with the lower amount of 50000 PPM. I remind you of hydrogen peroxide. 35% is dangerous to handle and you deal with small amounts. 3% is much safer to handle and you use " spoons " of it as needed. Both are hydrogen peroxide. Both do the same thing. You just have to adjust the amounts used, and the 3% is much safer to handle, store, and ship. Tom > > What a guy!! You are my all time favorite teacher. :-) > > Ok--so, now we are getting some place. First--I'm not in Canada--waaaay too > cold for me. Nope. I fled northern Illinois for the cactus ridden, > scorpion infested, but warm, south Texas. So yes--I still by my gas by the > gallon. Carefully now though, because of the price. > > I am buying that set of international measuring thing--a 1/32 measuring > spoon!!! I'm in awe! And in love. Gadgets, I love 'em. This is so > cool--thanks. > > And I believe anyone can go either to a drug store or a vet and get the > syringes with ml marks. Some nice people in the drug stores have even just > given me one when I needed them for my birds or ferret or whatever. > > Glad you have the different sizes of syringes. This will help. > > Since I know that you love being precise, I will try and play along. Me? I > m ok with different size drops. Boy, did we have a HUGE discussion on this > very thing when MMS first came out. And fights--people were getting really > mad about it all, since everyone was trying to get the same size drops--but > things weren't clear. Plus when we bought we got one bottle of MMS with a > flip top lid, yet nothing comparable to put the acid in. So we were talking > drops from the green bottle, and drops from a glass dropper--and of course > THOSE come in various sizes. Whew. It was duck and cover for a while there > That's why I always put an empty bottle in when I sell my MMS, because > then they can put their acid in and get at least an approximate same size > drop. Though as you say--it takes practice. > > Glad you said the 5% is too strong to drink straight. I totally > misunderstood that. Thanks. I do understand that the MMS5 (sorry, can't > help myself) is safer than straight MMS1. But now I know not to drink it > straight. > > I had thought I remembered that a person was to drink 1 liter of the 5%. > See--too many figures. > > But, your 250ml is equal to about 8 and a half ounces, right? According to > the conversion site. So you are making a tad (don't cha love it?) over 1 > cup of 5% at a time? This is your play toy (testing) amount? > > Ah--I see now where I got that 5% for pets. My TOTAL mistake. So, you are > saying a half teaspoon (right up my alley!) of 5% in a gallon of water, and > this is to be used as the drinking water. Unactivated. Right? This is > phase 1 for an ill pet. > > Then we are halving that for the next phase. Or doubling to 2 gallons, > depending on if we are looking at it from both sides of the room. :-) > But--I got it. Half the amount of the 5% in the gallon of water. Quarter > teaspoon. > > Then for the final phase you are halving that again (or doubling, as the > case may be). This is their drinking water from then on--but with a break > sometime, or added antioxidants. > > You have been very careful to keep things simple. But your simple and my > simple are too different things. Hard to explain I guess. Because though > as I said, you are very clear in your instructions, for someone like me, who > struggles with keeping sodium chlorite, chlorine dioxide and chlorous (sp) > acid straight, let alone the amounts of free chlorine to chlorous acid, > etc--I simply try to stay on the line of " take this much and don't worry > about what is chemically going on " . > > And yes, I do prefer to oxidize them and then figure it out later. I also > prefer to throw everything at an illness, never mind what sticks to the wall > I know people like to proof certain things, and say " well, if you do all > that you have no idea what worked and what didn't " I say--who gives a short > walk off a long plank? All I care about is getting better. Add everything > I know how to do, because out of that SOMETHING is going to work, and none > of it is detrimental, if handled correctly. I do take into consideration > when there may be something that would interfere with something else, but > mostly my methods all work together, if not synergistically. And since I > hate being sick, I'd rather take everything and get well fast, than mess > around trying to see exactly what one thing is needed. Overkill? Probably > very likely. Still, I'm just never sick anymore and I think that's why. Do > it all, let the body sort it out. And I've found that for most people, not > us on this list of course :-) but others, they don't have any alternative > background and just want to be told what to do--not why, just how and what. > They don't even care why, and are too sick to start trying to figure it out > for themselves, though I do encourage people to do that. Usually doesn't > work though. > > Anyway, I do much prefer your safer method because I do know that though Jim > s method has helped probably thousands, it also was detrimental enough to > stop hundreds from using it. Which is a shame, because I do believe in MMS > and its ability to help people get well. > > But since there are sensitive people, then this MMS5 method will be MUCH > easier for them to handle. So long as, again, we can come up with a simple > step-by-step practice for them. > > I will ponder how to set up a step-by-step instruction for me and the others > using the MMS5. As I'm figuring that out (and will submit it to the teach > before putting it in the files) perhaps we can attack lesson 2. > > Activated MMS5. > > In what instances do you see this being used? Would it be best to start > AMMS5 when a person/pet is very ill? Because I got such great results with > AMMS1 with my cats and dogs, I hate to abandon it without having something > else in place. > > I do know that though many could take the AMMS1, if not easily, at least > without a lot of major discomfort. My pets included. But as I said--3 > years later and my oldest dog could no longer handle that. As may be the > case for some seriously ill pets. > > I will probably still recommend Jim's method in serious cases until we have > more examples of things being cured with the AMMS5 or even MMS5. At least I > can fall back on the knowledge of the past 3 years of the MMS lists, which > makes me comfortable. I have yet to see many people here noting great > success stories with the MMS5, though I'm sure you must see a lot. Perhaps > when and as you get time, you could report them here? I know you work with > doctors and vets so it would be good to have some examples. Would make me > feel better anyway, and at least in this post, since I'm writing it, I'm the > only one that counts, right? Lololol > > So--activated MMS5. This would be a good case of making up a bottle of MMS5 > and a bottle of the 10% citric. This is where your previous post comes in > handy. To make a 4 ounce bottle of MMS5 I would put 1 tablespoon+1 > teaspoon+1/2 teaspoon of MMS1 (not going the 22% thing for now, but I got > it) in the bottle and then add 5 tablespoons+1/2 teaspoon of good water. > > If this is correct, what this means is that now I will have to add a second > empty bottle per sale, so that people can make up a 5% solution for > activating. Gee, thanks a lot! No, just kidding. I have plenty of bottles > and like to make things as easy for people as possible. Giving them an > extra bottle for the 5% will make it easy for them to make up a safer batch > to use. And then they will have their choice, depending on their illness or > fortitude, of using MMS1 or MMS5. > > Apparently I was 'hearing' drink the MMS5 but what you actually said, and I > passed on in posts but not verbally to people (sheesh, I'd better get a grip > on what is in my head vs what comes out of my mouth), is this: > > Fill a quart container with distilled or boiled water. > Add 4 drops of the 5% sodium chlorite (This solution will last 4 + > years). > How to take: > In the morning drink 8 oz of above solution on empty stomach > Wait 15-30 minutes before eating and taking supplement (avoid Vitamin C > and orange juice in the morning) > In the evening wait a couple hours after eating or just before bedtime > Drink another 8 oz of the solution. The rest of solution can be taken next > Day or sipped throughout the day but then save 8 oz for evening > Eat good diet of raw or lightly steamed vegetables and fruit and Supplements > during the day. Drink lots of water. > > Ok, so my head is spinning now, and I'm tired and my knuckles hurt from > getting whacked with the ruler. So we will save the rest of the lessons for > later. I'll be waiting to see my grade. ;-) > > Thanks again Tom. This does mean a lot to me that you are not sick to death > of the questions over and over (well, you probably are but being the great > teacher you simply sigh and tell us--again) and that you take your precious > time and answer them in such a wonderful manner. > > Samala, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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