RE: Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

[Guest guest]

It looks like " silverfox_science " and " Tom " are considered trolls here and

many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA; maybe... Then who the heck is Dr.

Hesselink they keep mentioning? Is this guy actually doing extensive tests

the two supposed trolls are accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there

a link showing his conclusions?

Um, how convenient that you pick a few passages and then reference tom as a

troll. (tom and silverfox are one in the same btw)..capitalizing BIG

PHARMA...cuse me if I'm offbase but I find your post a little to 'timely'

No, he is not considered a troll here...if you are really interested (and

not a troll yourself) read more then you will get the full picture

Understanding when you said

<<< I don't have the time to go through all the messages>>>

But if you want to use SC (sodium chloride) or ASC (activated sodium

chloride), what you call MMS, then best suggestion is to make the time to

read more. Or you can join 's list

http://tech./group/Humble_MMS/

and he will give you the standard protocol that Jim uses.

Best of success in your searching for answers

rose

[Guest guest]

But if you want to use SC (sodium chloride) or ASC (activated sodium

chloride)

Been a long hot day (and I'm dyslexic)...correction

Sodium chlorite

*blush*

[Guest guest]

On 2010-07-14 6:13 PM, Dacian wrote:

> It looks like " silverfox_science " and " Tom " are considered trolls

> here

On the contrary... you are grossly mistaken, sir.

> and many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA;

Nope. Wrong again. Please get your facts straight before slandering

people of whom you know nothing.

> maybe... Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink they keep mentioning? Is

> this guy actually doing extensive tests the two supposed trolls are

> accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there a link showing his

> conclusions?

More slanderous garbage.

You said yourself that " I don't have the time to go through all the

messages, " , so what you should have done is just ask questions, and

leave the slander out of it.

From your post, I'd say it is YOU who is the troll, troll.

PLONK.

[Guest guest]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Dacian <dfiordean@...> wrote:

 

Hello

I'm new here as I came across MMS a couple of weeks ago. I don't have the time to go through all the messages, but I did a search on what I'm interested in (details below) and selected a few messages which by their title were supposed to show the experiences of some of you guys with MMS.

First of all, I just ordered today some MMS1 and MMS2 from mineral-solutions. My father in law has pancreatic cancer stage 3 (I think) and I was talking to my wife about Jim's protocol for stage 4 cancer and MMS; actually I'm looking for help here but after reading through messages I'm quite confused.

It looks like " silverfox_science " and " Tom " are considered trolls here and many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA; maybe... Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXhome.htmthey keep mentioning? Is this guy actually doing extensive tests the two supposed trolls are accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there a link showing his conclusions?

Can anyone help making a bit of light here?

Also, regarding my initial problem with pancreatic cancer and MMS, can anyone share any known experience? I'm not looking actually for a miracle ( Swayze, Pavarotti died of this terrible disease; it's not a guy like me who will help someone and a miracle will happen), but it's while searching for my father in law's disease that I found this thing called MMS and I'm intrigued.

Btw, is there any interest of using MMS if one is in good shape?

Thanks kindly!

[Guest guest]

Then

who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is

a link for him: http://www.bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXhome.htmthey

keep mentioning?

Nice of you to post a link Don.

However, if he was serious he would have posted his questions to ’s

group and he did not so I don’t think his questions had any serious

intent.

The funny thing now would be if

Dacian posted to ’s group to try and cover up the ruse.

rose

[Guest guest]

For what its worth...

Over a year and a half ago my chiropractors brother had major surgery for

pancreatic cancer. He at first had decided to not go through chemo. I told my

chiropractor about MMS. His brother started on MMS and a diet his brother put

him on. He did quite well for awhile even going back to bicycle racing. Got

out of the habit of his diet and MMS usage and started having trouble again.

Tried chemo for two weeks and discontinued it. Though I have not seen my

chiropractor for two months his brother was still with us. He had started using

MMS again and went back to his diet.

Tim

>

> >

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I'm new here as I came across MMS a couple of weeks ago. I don't have the

> > time to go through all the messages, but I did a search on what I'm

> > interested in (details below) and selected a few messages which by their

> > title were supposed to show the experiences of some of you guys with MMS.

> >

> > First of all, I just ordered today some MMS1 and MMS2 from

> > mineral-solutions. My father in law has pancreatic cancer stage 3 (I think)

> > and I was talking to my wife about Jim's protocol for stage 4 cancer and

> > MMS; actually I'm looking for help here but after reading through messages

> > I'm quite confused.

> >

> > It looks like " silverfox_science " and " Tom " are considered trolls here and

> > many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA; maybe... Then who the heck is Dr.

> > Hesselink here is a link for him:

> > http://www.bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXhome.htmthey keep mentioning?

> > Is this guy actually doing extensive tests the two supposed trolls are

> > accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there a link showing his

> > conclusions?

> >

> > Can anyone help making a bit of light here?

> >

> > Also, regarding my initial problem with pancreatic cancer and MMS, can

> > anyone share any known experience? I'm not looking actually for a miracle

> > ( Swayze, Pavarotti died of this terrible disease; it's not a guy

> > like me who will help someone and a miracle will happen), but it's while

> > searching for my father in law's disease that I found this thing called MMS

> > and I'm intrigued.

> >

> > Btw, is there any interest of using MMS if one is in good shape?

> >

> > Thanks kindly!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

GIVE IT UP ID10T. POST ONLY SERIOUS COMMENTS. RIDICULOUS CHILD!

GET OUT OF THIS FORUM IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS!

J

From: palulukon <palulukon@...> Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 6:26:58 PMSubject: RE: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox .mysite.com/ CLOXhtml/ CLOXhome. htmthey keep mentioning?

Nice of you to post a link Don. However, if he was serious he would have posted his questions to ’s group and he did not so I don’t think his questions had any serious intent.

The funny thing now would be if Dacian posted to ’s group to try and cover up the ruse.

rose

[Guest guest]

Dear Rose, with all due respect, since you keep feeling the need to suggest I had something to do with Dacian's post, I now have to come here and defend myself. That is what innocent people do when they are falsely accused. Let me be perfectly clear: NEITHER I NOR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH ME HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH DACIAN'S POST, I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS PERSON IS.

It appears to me that Dacian is simply an innocent newcomer looking for help. If a newcomer reads some of the latest posts, they might say just what Dacian said, is that so hard to understand? If he comes to my group I will be kind and try to help him. But you and Tanstaafl expect some newcomer to know Tom is your sacred cow, whose holiness cannot be questioned without invoking your wrath? It seems you are proud of yourselves.

The way I look at it, we all have to choose the master we will serve. I choose to serve the God of truth. He does not lie and he does not want me to lie. I have no need to come here and pretend to be something I am not, that is for those who serve the Father of lies, that is how they operate. Me and the people I associate with have no need of it. If I come here to speak the truth, I will do it openly in plain sight, just like I have been doing. So you don't need to accuse me of deception and bully innocent newcomers.

Wishing you the Best and Highest always,

Harrah

RE: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXhome.htmthey keep mentioning?

Nice of you to post a link Don. However, if he was serious he would have posted his questions to ’s group and he did not so I don’t think his questions had any serious intent.

The funny thing now would be if Dacian posted to ’s group to try and cover up the ruse.

rose

[Guest guest]

On 2010-07-16 1:06 AM, Serrano wrote:

> GIVE IT UP ID10T. POST ONLY SERIOUS COMMENTS. RIDICULOUS CHILD!

> GET OUT OF THIS FORUM IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS!

Rotflmao!

Please stop talking to yourself on public mail lists - you just

embarrass yourself.

[Guest guest]

On 2010-07-16 7:15 AM, Harrah wrote:

> It appears to me that Dacian is simply an innocent newcomer looking for

> help. If a newcomer reads some of the latest posts, they might say just

> what Dacian said, is that so hard to understand?

Yes, it is. He claimed he 'had no time to go through all of the

messages', then claimed that " after reading through messages " , he had

come to the conclusion that Tom/silverfox_science was a troll.

Sorry, but that one statement shows that *he* is the troll.

> If he comes to my group I will be kind and try to help him.

Even if his first post falsely accuses you and others of being trolls.

> But you and Tanstaafl expect some newcomer to know Tom is your sacred

> cow, whose holiness cannot be questioned without invoking your wrath?

Rotflmao again... looks like we were wrong and you *are* a troll.

Sacred cow? Give me a break.

On the other hand, that *does* seem to be a good description of how you

and others seem to worship Jim Humble.

> It seems you are proud of yourselves.

It seems thou doth protest too loudly.

[Guest guest]

Please keep disagreements on the subject you disagree about . DO NOT USE PERSONAL INSULTS . this is a warning. if it continues violators will be deleted from the group.

Wilkins

LAURA In NC

Moderator

From: Serrano <jasl_2007@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law... Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 1:06 AM

GIVE IT UP ID10T. POST ONLY SERIOUS COMMENTS. RIDICULOUS CHILD!

GET OUT OF THIS FORUM IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS!

J

From: palulukon <palulukon@...> Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 6:26:58 PMSubject: RE: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox .mysite.com/ CLOXhtml/ CLOXhome. htmthey keep mentioning?

Nice of you to post a link Don. However, if he was serious he would have posted his questions to ’s group and he did not so I don’t think his questions had any serious intent.

The funny thing now would be if Dacian posted to ’s group to try and cover up the ruse.

rose

[Guest guest]

Tnx !. I think your intervention should even have come earlier. I came into the group with so much enthusiasm having just discovered this phenomenal health solution. Then I bought MMS1, and produced MMS2, and started having very good results, administering to self and others.Then suddenly I stopped! Why? Because doubts started creeping in as to what I I'd been reading from experts in the group; as I was also looking at the best/safest protocols; Oxidants vs Anti-oxidants, etc. At one point I started reading about using chlorite/MMS for cleaning carburetors, and there was so much glee about it that I went back to read the objective of the group: MMS and

diseases! Were we truly being diverted from the main purpose of the group? Best Regards,Remi AwojobiFrom: Wilkins <montemomma2002@...> Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 1:59:07 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

Please keep disagreements on the subject you disagree about . DO NOT USE PERSONAL INSULTS . this is a warning. if it continues violators will be deleted from the group.

Wilkins

LAURA In NC

Moderator

From: Serrano <jasl_2007@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law... Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 1:06 AM

GIVE IT UP ID10T. POST ONLY SERIOUS COMMENTS. RIDICULOUS CHILD!

GET OUT OF THIS FORUM IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS!

J

From: palulukon <palulukon@...> Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 6:26:58 PMSubject: RE: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox .mysite.com/ CLOXhtml/ CLOXhome. htmthey keep mentioning?

Nice of you to post a link Don. However, if he was serious he would have posted his questions to ’s group and he did not so I don’t think his questions had any serious intent.

The funny thing now would be if Dacian posted to ’s group to try and cover up the ruse.

rose

[Guest guest]



Hello

I too like Remi joined this list because of the great health solution from MMS..

I have watched this list go from a great promoter of what works to a very different

list..Mostly because of two or three people who try to discredit everything..especially

what works..I have seen many full recoverys from people who had no hope of living

beyond a month or two back to good health certified by diagnostics from the medical

system..Jim Humble asked me not to transfer any more emails to him because of the

very abusive nature of these communications..If you visit MMS on Curezone you will see

what I refer to ..also other web site lists..It is not in the name of Science but is done

to really confuse most of the members of this list..It is a sad situation when something like

this happens..I know more about this then I am telling you and I am watching it closely

It is easy to see the direction but I don't buy it because of the Hidden agenda ..

no one on this list should be abusive and the first requirement should be...(Be Nice)

You have my best wishes

RE: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox .mysite.com/ CLOXhtml/ CLOXhome. htmthey keep mentioning?

Nice of you to post a link Don. However, if he was serious he would have posted his questions to ’s group and he did not so I don’t think his questions had any serious intent.

The funny thing now would be if Dacian posted to ’s group to try and cover up the ruse.

rose

[Guest guest]

Remi,

It is a fine line between censorship and moderation. I try not to interfere when people can control their impulse to lash out in a disagreement. But I will not allow name calling.

It is important to know as much as we can about MMS.Yes, it can become confusing to new comers when oposing opinions are discussed.My best advice is to ask a specific question to the group and consider the answers .Decide for yourself what sounds best for your situation. Education is the key to good health.

Wilkins

From: Serrano <jasl_2007@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law... Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 1:06 AM

GIVE IT UP ID10T. POST ONLY SERIOUS COMMENTS. RIDICULOUS CHILD!

GET OUT OF THIS FORUM IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS!

J

From: palulukon <palulukon@...> Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 6:26:58 PMSubject: RE: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox .mysite.com/ CLOXhtml/ CLOXhome. htmthey keep mentioning?

Nice of you to post a link Don. However, if he was serious he would have posted his questions to ’s group and he did not so I don’t think his questions had any serious intent.

The funny thing now would be if Dacian posted to ’s group to try and cover up the ruse.

rose

[Guest guest]

At

one point I started reading about using chlorite/MMS for

cleaning carburetors, and there was so much glee about it that I went back

to read the objective of the group: MMS and diseases!

I was

the one asking the cleaning questions and I have no problem with the questions I

asked and why I asked.

We’ve

talked about it being used in cleaning situations, never carburetors, but

certainly other situations. What you will find in any forum is the main

topic can morph into other areas for a spell…it is the natural give and

take that goes on. If it doesn’t interest you the delete button is

a wonderful feature. But don’t try to control the nature of my

questions regarding mms…I don’t try and control yours.

Were we truly

being diverted from the main purpose of the group?

Remi

I was not trying to divert anything so give it up on this sinister plot thing

okay?

Best Regards,

Remi Awojobi

Best

regards back at ya,

rose

[Guest guest]

None

of this makes any sense Alvin. No one here is saying doesn’t work.

What we are looking at is what, why, how it works and contraindications. You

say repeatedly here and elsewhere ‘and to date I have not heard of any

failures..’

So

some here mention failures and you ignore their comments. Why is that???

Daddybob

said it damaged his heart (which was already challenged). Do you think he

is a troll too? Maybe he was just lying? Maybe he did ‘it’

wrong? I wonder what is his hidden agenda.

Our

neighbor Bob doesn’t have bladder cancer any more…that is the good

news. If he goes for more than a few days without mms he is bedridden…his

words not mine. Why is that? Certainly he should be on an

antioxidant program but he read from jim himself that it cannot harm you ever

so that is all he cares about. He thinks what is not used turns into

table salt in his body. Our suggestions on antioxidants fall on deaf ears. Should

we not ask questions like is it possible his biofilm (gut lining) is shot and

maybe a breeding ground for harmful bacteria? I’m not saying that

is what is happening…I’m not a microbiologist. But do I want

to question what is going on with him…I sure do.

I’ve

used it on beast here with cancer and have yet to cure one. It works for

kennel cough and some respiratory and works well. Friend of mine who does

rescue said it helped tremendously with skin infections and general tonic (at

the 1/8 teaspoon 28% to gallon of water). Didn’t do beans for a parvo

case that came to us. Does that make me a troll for saying that? Could it

be that it works better on one cancer over another or one condition over

another? Does it mean I have a hidden agenda for bringing this up?

Carole

is a naturopath and ask questions that a professional needs to ask…does

that make her a troll with a hidden agenda.

What

about …maybe she is a troll for all seasons since she is on so many

list…shoot, she is the moderator for my forum. Maybe I should can

her?

It’s

just silly that’s all. There are those of us here that are serious

about exploring all the information on SC and ASC or whatever you wish to call

it. We want to know how it works, where it doesn’t work (so we are

not wasting precious time in critical situations) and what protocols need to be

in place to repair damage should it occur or to prevent it from occurring.

I take the biofilm issue very seriously because we have taken in many cats who

were shedding their intestinal lining and it is gruesome to watch. Unless

it can be reversed quickly death always follows, painful death I might

add. Am I a troll for asking these kinds of questions? What would

be my hidden agenda???

Oh

shoot, I forgot, tom is on the colloidal silver list. I’ve known

the list owner for over ten years …maybe I should alert him to the

presence of a troll?

Honestly

Alvin this kind of paranoia would never happen on the cs list and if someone

tried to start it they would be laughed off. it boggles me that with a

subject that has such far reaching implications to do good that an in-depth

discussion of the contraindications and knowing where it works and doesn’t

work is seen as a sinister plot. This reminds me of the mentality of book

burning. As said education is the key to health.

And

I add the famous quote ‘knowledge is power’

I

don’t intend to surrender my power to a protocol or figurehead that seeks

to squelch all inquiry.

Does

that make me a troll? If it does so be it

rose

[Guest guest]

It is called Flaming! Every other group

that I have been in will ban you in a heartbeat for doing so, on or off

group. In the groups I am a moderator on you get one warning,

then you are banned with no recourse.

The moderator in this group has shown great restraint but I am glad it

has come to an end.

Bill

On 7/16/2010 6:59 AM, Wilkins wrote:

Please keep disagreements on the subject you disagree

about . DO NOT USE PERSONAL INSULTS . this is a warning. if it

continues violators will be deleted from the group.

Wilkins

LAURA In NC

Moderator

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, Serrano <jasl_2007@...>

wrote:

From: Serrano <jasl_2007@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Dr. Hesselink,

silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 1:06 AM

GIVE IT UP ID10T. POST ONLY SERIOUS COMMENTS. RIDICULOUS

CHILD!

GET OUT OF THIS FORUM IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT OTHER

PEOPLE'S POSTS!

J

From:

palulukon <palulukon@...>

To:

Sent: Thu,

July 15, 2010 6:26:58 PM

Subject: RE:

[ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim

Humble and my father in law...

Then

who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox .mysite.com/

CLOXhtml/ CLOXhome. htmthey keep mentioning?

Nice of you to post a link Don. However, if he

was serious he would have posted his questions to ’s group and

he did not so I don’t think his questions had any serious intent.

The funny thing now would be if Dacian posted to

’s group to try and cover up the ruse.

rose

[Guest guest]

HI DOES ANYONE KNOW IF 8-10 DROPS EVERY NIGHT BEFORE I GO TO BED IS FINE EVERYDAY? I'M FAIRLY HEALTHY FOR THAT MATTER.

I SEEM TO FEEL BETTER EVERYDAY.

I ALSO WAS THINKING, UP THE DOSE FROM TIME TO TIME FOR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE

IS ALL THIS OK?????????

From: chasson321 <chasson321@...> Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 8:58:36 PMSubject: [ ] Re: Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

For what its worth...Over a year and a half ago my chiropractors brother had major surgery for pancreatic cancer. He at first had decided to not go through chemo. I told my chiropractor about MMS. His brother started on MMS and a diet his brother put him on. He did quite well for awhile even going back to bicycle racing. Got out of the habit of his diet and MMS usage and started having trouble again. Tried chemo for two weeks and discontinued it. Though I have not seen my chiropractor for two months his brother was still with us. He had started using MMS again and went back to his diet.Tim>

> >> >> > Hello> >> > I'm new here as I came across MMS a couple of weeks ago. I don't have the> > time to go through all the messages, but I did a search on what I'm> > interested in (details below) and selected a few messages which by their> > title were supposed to show the experiences of some of you guys with MMS.> >> > First of all, I just ordered today some MMS1 and MMS2 from> > mineral-solutions. My father in law has pancreatic cancer stage 3 (I think)> > and I was talking to my wife about Jim's protocol for stage 4 cancer and> > MMS; actually I'm looking for help here but after reading through messages> > I'm quite confused.> >> > It looks like "silverfox_science" and "Tom" are considered trolls here and> > many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA; maybe... Then who the heck is

Dr.> > Hesselink here is a link for him:> > http://www.bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXhome.htmthey keep mentioning?> > Is this guy actually doing extensive tests the two supposed trolls are> > accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there a link showing his> > conclusions?> >> > Can anyone help making a bit of light here?> >> > Also, regarding my initial problem with pancreatic cancer and MMS, can> > anyone share any known experience? I'm not looking actually for a miracle> > ( Swayze, Pavarotti died of this terrible disease; it's not a guy> > like me who will help someone and a miracle will happen), but it's while> > searching for my father in law's disease that I found this thing called MMS> > and I'm intrigued.> >> > Btw, is there any interest of using MMS if one is in good

shape?> >> > Thanks kindly!> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

hello rose, thanks. I'm not a troll, I recognized in my inital post I didn't take enough time go through most of the messages; and my time is really short (I need to translate the best information I can get in 2 weeks now related to the protocol). And that is because my father in law doesn't understand english.I subscribed to this group to find information, that's all. I didn't know the 2 are the same person and as explained, I'm a bit confused. I don't want to reject what Tom says as I don't have chemistry knowledges or experience with MMS, but my feeling was that they were labeled here by a couple of people as trolls. That's all for me, all I want is to get correct information. I don't have the time right now to look for chemical formulas; I will experience MMS on myself and probably become more aware of many aspects, but I have a more urgent problem

now.Thanks for the link at 's group (I wasn't aware); and btw I took the time to read Jim Humble's protocol on his own web site.thanksFrom: palulukon <palulukon@...>Subject: RE: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law... Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 1:48 AM

It looks like "silverfox_science" and "Tom" are considered trolls here and

many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA; maybe... Then who the heck is Dr.

Hesselink they keep mentioning? Is this guy actually doing extensive tests

the two supposed trolls are accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there

a link showing his conclusions?

Um, how convenient that you pick a few passages and then reference tom as a

troll. (tom and silverfox are one in the same btw)..capitalizing BIG

PHARMA...cuse me if I'm offbase but I find your post a little to 'timely'

No, he is not considered a troll here...if you are really interested (and

not a troll yourself) read more then you will get the full picture

Understanding when you said

<<< I don't have the time to go through all the messages>>>

But if you want to use SC (sodium chloride) or ASC (activated sodium

chloride), what you call MMS, then best suggestion is to make the time to

read more. Or you can join 's list

http://tech./group/Humble_MMS/

and he will give you the standard protocol that Jim uses.

Best of success in your searching for answers

rose

[Guest guest]

PLONK,You're right; I should have read all the messages before, I agree on that. It's juts that I don't have time for what I want to do in the coming days, that's all. I will read more for sure. I said the two persons SEEMS to be considered trolls by many here; and this was my opinion I got reading what I could today. I for sure DID NOT SAY this person is a troll."From your post, I'd say it is YOU who is the troll, troll."Thanks for the nice welcome, a good day to you as well!

> It looks like "silverfox_science" and "Tom" are considered trolls

> here

On the contrary... you are grossly mistaken, sir.

> and many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA;

Nope. Wrong again. Please get your facts straight before slandering

people of whom you know nothing.

> maybe... Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink they keep mentioning? Is

> this guy actually doing extensive tests the two supposed trolls are

> accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there a link showing his

> conclusions?

More slanderous garbage.

You said yourself that "I don't have the time to go through all the

messages,", so what you should have done is just ask questions, and

leave the slander out of it.

From your post, I'd say it is YOU who is the troll, troll.

PLONK.

[Guest guest]

thanks Don for the link!

Hello

I'm new here as I came across MMS a couple of weeks ago. I don't have the time to go through all the messages, but I did a search on what I'm interested in (details below) and selected a few messages which by their title were supposed to show the experiences of some of you guys with MMS.

First of all, I just ordered today some MMS1 and MMS2 from mineral-solutions. My father in law has pancreatic cancer stage 3 (I think) and I was talking to my wife about Jim's protocol for stage 4 cancer and MMS; actually I'm looking for help here but after reading through messages I'm quite confused.

It looks like "silverfox_science" and "Tom" are considered trolls here and many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA; maybe... Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox .mysite.com/ CLOXhtml/ CLOXhome. htmthey keep mentioning? Is this guy actually doing extensive tests the two supposed trolls are accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there a link showing his conclusions?

Can anyone help making a bit of light here?

Also, regarding my initial problem with pancreatic cancer and MMS, can anyone share any known experience? I'm not looking actually for a miracle ( Swayze, Pavarotti died of this terrible disease; it's not a guy like me who will help someone and a miracle will happen), but it's while searching for my father in law's disease that I found this thing called MMS and I'm intrigued.

Btw, is there any interest of using MMS if one is in good shape?

Thanks kindly!

[Guest guest]

Tim, thanks for sharing this. Although my first post was not very welcomed, I will continue asking questions here. Can you be more precise when you say for a while? Is it years, months, weeks? Also, is the person with cancer you're talking about experiencing any problems because of the MMS? Is he suffering of other diseases? My father in law has diabet and heart problems also.thanks for the help!From: chasson321 <chasson321@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law... Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 6:58 AM

For what its worth...

Over a year and a half ago my chiropractors brother had major surgery for pancreatic cancer. He at first had decided to not go through chemo. I told my chiropractor about MMS. His brother started on MMS and a diet his brother put him on. He did quite well for awhile even going back to bicycle racing. Got out of the habit of his diet and MMS usage and started having trouble again. Tried chemo for two weeks and discontinued it. Though I have not seen my chiropractor for two months his brother was still with us. He had started using MMS again and went back to his diet.

Tim

>

> >

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I'm new here as I came across MMS a couple of weeks ago. I don't have the

> > time to go through all the messages, but I did a search on what I'm

> > interested in (details below) and selected a few messages which by their

> > title were supposed to show the experiences of some of you guys with MMS.

> >

> > First of all, I just ordered today some MMS1 and MMS2 from

> > mineral-solutions. My father in law has pancreatic cancer stage 3 (I think)

> > and I was talking to my wife about Jim's protocol for stage 4 cancer and

> > MMS; actually I'm looking for help here but after reading through messages

> > I'm quite confused.

> >

> > It looks like "silverfox_science" and "Tom" are considered trolls here and

> > many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA; maybe... Then who the heck is Dr.

> > Hesselink here is a link for him:

> > http://www.bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXhome.htmthey keep mentioning?

> > Is this guy actually doing extensive tests the two supposed trolls are

> > accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there a link showing his

> > conclusions?

> >

> > Can anyone help making a bit of light here?

> >

> > Also, regarding my initial problem with pancreatic cancer and MMS, can

> > anyone share any known experience? I'm not looking actually for a miracle

> > ( Swayze, Pavarotti died of this terrible disease; it's not a guy

> > like me who will help someone and a miracle will happen), but it's while

> > searching for my father in law's disease that I found this thing called MMS

> > and I'm intrigued.

> >

> > Btw, is there any interest of using MMS if one is in good shape?

> >

> > Thanks kindly!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am indeed a newcomer; as explained, I found the MMS thing by looking for information for my father in law's problem. I might talk nonsense but this is because of my ignorance with MMS, but that doesn't mean I don't want to correctly inform myself and read other's experiences.I won't give up because of the few nasty answers. I know who I am and it's for sure not a troll.thanksFrom: Harrah <michaelharrah@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law... Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 2:15 PM

Dear Rose, with all due respect, since you keep feeling the need to suggest I had something to do with Dacian's post, I now have to come here and defend myself. That is what innocent people do when they are falsely accused. Let me be perfectly clear: NEITHER I NOR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH ME HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH DACIAN'S POST, I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS PERSON IS.

It appears to me that Dacian is simply an innocent newcomer looking for help. If a newcomer reads some of the latest posts, they might say just what Dacian said, is that so hard to understand? If he comes to my group I will be kind and try to help him. But you and Tanstaafl expect some newcomer to know Tom is your sacred cow, whose holiness cannot be questioned without invoking your wrath? It seems you are proud of yourselves.

The way I look at it, we all have to choose the master we will serve. I choose to serve the God of truth. He does not lie and he does not want me to lie. I have no need to come here and pretend to be something I am not, that is for those who serve the Father of lies, that is how they operate. Me and the people I associate with have no need of it. If I come here to speak the truth, I will do it openly in plain sight, just like I have been doing. So you don't need to accuse me of deception and bully innocent newcomers.

Wishing you the Best and Highest always,

Harrah

RE: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

Then who the heck is Dr. Hesselink here is a link for him: http://www.bioredox .mysite.com/ CLOXhtml/ CLOXhome. htmthey keep mentioning? Nice of you to post a link Don. However, if he was serious he would have posted his questions to ’s group and he did not so I don’t think his questions had any serious intent. The funny thing now would be if Dacian posted to ’s group to try and cover up the ruse. rose

[Guest guest]

Hello Fiordean dacian,

If I may offer a suggestion or two...

Illness in the family tends to turn everything upside down. It is hard to

concentrate and hard to understand and learn. When in this situation, I have

found it better to form a group and make this a group effort. You can have

family members, extended family members, friends and professionals all a part of

the group.

The goal is to help your father in law find the way to better health.

It's kind of like being back in school. Each person gets a direction to do

research, and sometimes you need a small team, but frequent group meetings bring

all of this information together. When you find something that looks promising,

you can then run it by the professional to see what objections are raised, and

go from there. The person that is sick usually makes the final decision on what

direction to take, but if they can't, then someone else needs to make the

decisions.

I have found that this approach allows everyone to get involved, and often the

results are astounding.

The group leader has to be a dictator and needs to hold eveyone to the goal.

However, within those boundaries, almost anything goes. The results found are

presented to the person making the decisions and you go from there.

I have participated in several of these groups, and regardless of the outcome

have come away both frustrated and satisfied. Frustrated because there does not

seem to be one answer that works every time and sometimes the information is

ignored. Satisfied because I tried to help.

At any rate, I don't know if this approach will work with your situation and

just thought I would bring it up.

Tom

>

> hello rose, thanks. I'm not a troll, I recognized in my inital post I didn't

take enough time go through most of the messages; and my time is really short (I

need to translate the best information I can get in 2 weeks now related to the

protocol). And that is because my father in law doesn't understand english.

>

> I subscribed to this group to find information, that's all. I didn't know the

2 are the same person and as explained, I'm a bit confused. I don't want to

reject what Tom says as I don't have chemistry knowledges or experience with

MMS, but my feeling was that they were labeled here by a couple of people as

trolls. That's all for me, all I want is to get correct information. I don't

have the time right now to look for chemical formulas; I will experience MMS on

myself and probably become more aware of many aspects, but I have a more urgent

problem now.

>

> Thanks for the link at 's group (I wasn't aware); and btw I took the

time to read Jim Humble's protocol on his own web site.

>

> thanks

[Guest guest]

thanks Tom I didn't think of starting a group. For now, I was actively searching for information. I came across Jim's MMS while looking for oxidants and the first thing I found was Simoncini's baking soda approcah to cancer as fungus.thanks for your suggestionsFrom: silverfox_science <poast@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law... Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 8:39 PM

Hello Fiordean dacian,

If I may offer a suggestion or two...

Illness in the family tends to turn everything upside down. It is hard to concentrate and hard to understand and learn. When in this situation, I have found it better to form a group and make this a group effort. You can have family members, extended family members, friends and professionals all a part of the group.

The goal is to help your father in law find the way to better health.

It's kind of like being back in school. Each person gets a direction to do research, and sometimes you need a small team, but frequent group meetings bring all of this information together. When you find something that looks promising, you can then run it by the professional to see what objections are raised, and go from there. The person that is sick usually makes the final decision on what direction to take, but if they can't, then someone else needs to make the decisions.

I have found that this approach allows everyone to get involved, and often the results are astounding.

The group leader has to be a dictator and needs to hold eveyone to the goal. However, within those boundaries, almost anything goes. The results found are presented to the person making the decisions and you go from there.

I have participated in several of these groups, and regardless of the outcome have come away both frustrated and satisfied. Frustrated because there does not seem to be one answer that works every time and sometimes the information is ignored. Satisfied because I tried to help.

At any rate, I don't know if this approach will work with your situation and just thought I would bring it up.

Tom

>

> hello rose, thanks. I'm not a troll, I recognized in my inital post I didn't take enough time go through most of the messages; and my time is really short (I need to translate the best information I can get in 2 weeks now related to the protocol). And that is because my father in law doesn't understand english.

>

> I subscribed to this group to find information, that's all. I didn't know the 2 are the same person and as explained, I'm a bit confused. I don't want to reject what Tom says as I don't have chemistry knowledges or experience with MMS, but my feeling was that they were labeled here by a couple of people as trolls. That's all for me, all I want is to get correct information. I don't have the time right now to look for chemical formulas; I will experience MMS on myself and probably become more aware of many aspects, but I have a more urgent problem now.

>

> Thanks for the link at 's group (I wasn't aware); and btw I took the time to read Jim Humble's protocol on his own web site.

>

> thanks