RE: Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

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fiordean dacian wrote:

> I won't give up because of the few nasty answers.

Hi Dacian,

Tell you what - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but I think it

is important for you to understand *why* you got such 'nasty answers'...

1. Your 'observation' that Tom was a 'troll' was *itself a *nasty*

comment - if you don't realize it, you should make note of it for future

reference.

Making an 'observation' like you did after admitting that you didn't

take time to read most of the messages on the list is of itself

indicative of a casual disrespect for the one you name, *regardless* of

whether or not you were making the accusation yourself, or just

'observing that others 'seem' to feel this way. Don't do it.

Said another way - how could you possibly have come to such a conclusion

if you didn't read most of the messages? I guarantee you that if you

were to take a snapshot of any busy mail list discussion group and allow

those to shape your judgments of everyone on the list, you would get the

exact same kind of response there as you did here.

You would have had no problem from anyone had you simply refrained from

making that one comment, just said 'I'm confused - blah blah blah' - and

asked your question(s)...

As it was, you reaped what you sowed.

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ok, I think I got the message for now. First, there are thousands of messages here; reading all those requires days if not weeks. I don't have for now the time, I will try and catch up. Next, I did a search among the posts on the group on a couple of keywords which I thought will be relevant for me (the search feature exists for exactly this kind of problem, right?). Then I went through messages following the search result and selected those who seemed to be of interest for my problem, ok?Now all that is subjective! It might very well (and for sure it's true) that I missed many interesting messages and skipped reading things that might have changed my opinion. But it is from what I read (I specified that I didn't read all) that I formed an opinion. It might very well be wrong, but I still have the right to express my opinion, even if wrong, am

I?Now I was labeled myself a troll following one single post! Was it you btw cause I don't quite remember... anyway, it's not the point...I said I'm sorry in a previous post to rose in case I got it wrong and try and read more as I got messages saying I'm wrong; the thing that I mentioned those nicknames as trolls in my message was that I wanted some explanations as I try to avoid trolls so that I don't confuse myself even more; since then, silverfox (troll or not) had a nice recommandation for me to startup a group, and I thanked him.Boy, but I know there is a lot of energy spent here on details rather than concrete problems. Since I joined the group, I got 3 more times messages related to my tone rather than my problem. Great!Have a nice day!

> I won't give up because of the few nasty answers.

Hi Dacian,

Tell you what - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but I think it

is important for you to understand *why* you got such 'nasty answers'...

1. Your 'observation' that Tom was a 'troll' was *itself a *nasty*

comment - if you don't realize it, you should make note of it for future

reference.

Making an 'observation' like you did after admitting that you didn't

take time to read most of the messages on the list is of itself

indicative of a casual disrespect for the one you name, *regardless* of

whether or not you were making the accusation yourself, or just

'observing that others 'seem' to feel this way. Don't do it.

Said another way - how could you possibly have come to such a conclusion

if you didn't read most of the messages? I guarantee you that if you

were to take a snapshot of any busy mail list discussion group and allow

those to shape your judgments of everyone on the list, you would get the

exact same kind of response there as you did here.

You would have had no problem from anyone had you simply refrained from

making that one comment, just said 'I'm confused - blah blah blah' - and

asked your question(s)...

As it was, you reaped what you sowed.

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fiordean dacian wrote:

> But it is from what I read (I specified that I didn't read all) that I

> formed an opinion. It might very well be wrong, but I still have the

> right to express my opinion, even if wrong, am I?

You are always free to say whatever you like - as long as you remember

that when something you say reflects negatively on someone else, you are

prepared for what obviously may follow (per this example) if you are wrong.

> Now I was labeled myself a troll following one single post! Was it you

> btw cause I don't quite remember... anyway, it's not the point...

Yes, it was me... your first post to a list should never just barge in

and accuse (directly or indirectly) someone of being a troll - or a

donkey, or pondscum, or anything else with negative connotations -

especially when such a claim is easily demonstrated to be false - it not

only makes you look bad, it results in what you experienced here.

> Boy, but I know there is a lot of energy spent here on details rather

> than concrete problems.

So just accept/acknowledge the fact that you messed up (you already did

that), and more importantly, understand *why* you messed up so you won't

do it again in the future (hopefully these follow-up messages clarified

that for you)...

As far as I'm concerned this is accomplished, no further responses are

necessary, so on with the healing...

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"As far as I'm concerned this is accomplished, no further responses are

necessary, so on with the healing..."Great! So then, I had 2 questions:1. Anyone knows more on pancreatic cancer and MMS? I read Jim's protocol for stage 4 cancer; my father in law is on stage 3. Is it worth trying it? He has diabet and heart problems; he's on insulin for his diabet.2. Does it worth to take MMS even if in good shape as a body-cleanup? I assume for this a simple protocol (ie start with 1 drop MMS/5 drops citric acid 3-5 times a day and go up a little bit more, say up to 3-5 drops of MMS/15-25 drops citric acid depending on how the body responds).And I'll have later a 3rd one related to arthrosis and MMS, but I'll read more first; I know some benefited from MMS in fighting arthrosis.Thanks!

> But it is from what I read (I specified that I didn't read all) that I

> formed an opinion. It might very well be wrong, but I still have the

> right to express my opinion, even if wrong, am I?

You are always free to say whatever you like - as long as you remember

that when something you say reflects negatively on someone else, you are

prepared for what obviously may follow (per this example) if you are wrong.

> Now I was labeled myself a troll following one single post! Was it you

> btw cause I don't quite remember... anyway, it's not the point...

Yes, it was me... your first post to a list should never just barge in

and accuse (directly or indirectly) someone of being a troll - or a

donkey, or pondscum, or anything else with negative connotations -

especially when such a claim is easily demonstrated to be false - it not

only makes you look bad, it results in what you experienced here.

> Boy, but I know there is a lot of energy spent here on details rather

> than concrete problems.

So just accept/acknowledge the fact that you messed up (you already did

that), and more importantly, understand *why* you messed up so you won't

do it again in the future (hopefully these follow-up messages clarified

that for you)...

As far as I'm concerned this is accomplished, no further responses are

necessary, so on with the healing...

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fiordean dacian wrote:

> 1. Anyone knows more on pancreatic cancer and MMS? I read Jim's

> protocol for stage 4 cancer; my father in law is on stage 3. Is it

> worth trying it? He has diabet and heart problems; he's on insulin

> for his diabet.

Are you asking if he needs to wait until he hits stage 4?? Of course not!

If I had cancer, I'd hit it as aggressively as possible with every

treatment/protocol that I had in my arsenal (after confirming that they

work synergistically - or at least are *not* antagonistic to each other)...

> 2. Does it worth to take MMS even if in good shape as a body-cleanup?

> I assume for this a simple protocol (ie start with 1 drop MMS/5

> drops citric acid 3-5 times a day and go up a little bit more, say up

> to 3-5 drops of MMS/15-25 drops citric acid depending on how the body

> responds).

Just don't do it for very long, especially without intervening periods

of antioxidant supplementation...

Just use your head. There are a lot of people who have used very high

dosages for extended periods of time without any *apparently*

detrimental effects, but long term safety has *not* been firmly

established either, so treat it as any other experimental protocol -

with caution.

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thanksRegarding my 1st question, not, I was not asking whether he needs to wait for stage 4; while in stage 3, I was thinking that he can hit it hard with the same protocol for stage 4. It's his decision, all I want to do is translate the stage 4 protocol from jimhumble.biz and give him the MMS (already ordered, both MMS1 & 2). Of course, he might start easy but increase rapidly; I have some fears also regarding his general health (as mentioned, diabet and heart problems)Regarding the 2nd question, is there a protocol for the "general purpose/good health" on combining MMS1 + antioxidants? I was thinking for something simple, like 3 months on/ 3 months off on MMS1 (of course depending on how the body responds) followed by some probiotics (ie kefir for instance); I wasn't thinking about antioxidants, but it's a good point. The only mention was

done by rose (for sure there are more posts on this and I'll check) where she said Tom suggested antioxidants for her neighbour Bob after 2 years of oxidants (but then again, Bob has cancer and we talk a general health protocol).thanks in advance!

> 1. Anyone knows more on pancreatic cancer and MMS? I read Jim's

> protocol for stage 4 cancer; my father in law is on stage 3. Is it

> worth trying it? He has diabet and heart problems; he's on insulin

> for his diabet.

Are you asking if he needs to wait until he hits stage 4?? Of course not!

If I had cancer, I'd hit it as aggressively as possible with every

treatment/protocol that I had in my arsenal (after confirming that they

work synergistically - or at least are *not* antagonistic to each other)...

> 2. Does it worth to take MMS even if in good shape as a body-cleanup?

> I assume for this a simple protocol (ie start with 1 drop MMS/5

> drops citric acid 3-5 times a day and go up a little bit more, say up

> to 3-5 drops of MMS/15-25 drops citric acid depending on how the body

> responds).

Just don't do it for very long, especially without intervening periods

of antioxidant supplementation...

Just use your head. There are a lot of people who have used very high

dosages for extended periods of time without any *apparently*

detrimental effects, but long term safety has *not* been firmly

established either, so treat it as any other experimental protocol -

with caution.

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fiordean dacian wrote:

> Regarding the 2nd question, is there a protocol for the " general

> purpose/good health " on combining MMS1 + antioxidants? I was thinking

> for something simple, like 3 months on/ 3 months off on MMS1

Personally, I would not use MMS1 for that long if I wasn't dealing with

something in particular.

MMS1 is powerful, but it is *not* a 'healthfood'...

Use it like you would a drug, but with the knowledge that it is both

powerful, and relatively safe if used discriminately.

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Total time frame has been over a year aand a half now. He seemed to be doing

quite well for 8 months to a year. Stop regular MMS and changed his diet and

began to have problems again. Last I heard he had started MMS again. This man

had extensive surgery and had a lot of internal organs rearranged and suspect

many lymph nodes removed.

I also work with a man who has a daughter who was on hospice at five years of

age. Cancer in lungs and brain. At the time taking a chemo pill. However,

they were told nothing else could be done for her. She has been taking MMS now

for a year and eight months. Brain scans show no signs of growth and they

suspect what does show up is just scare tissue. No other signs of active cancer

at this point. She was able to see her baby brother born, something her parents

were not expecting her to do. As bad as MMS taste she would remind her parents

that she needed to take her " medicine " .

I have been taking MMS now for about two years now. The only method I have not

done is intervienous injections. I have had herx reactions and no reactions.

Had reactions at five drops and later had none at fifteen drops. My wife who has

asthma has been able after over a year of MMS and 6 months of MMS2 been able to

stop daily meds for asthma. She still will take an inhaler when she feels the

need. But that is a far cry from the frequent trips to the emerency room.

Eventhough, she was on quite a few meds for asthma. She continues to see her

asthma doctor on a regular basis. Though her oxygen saturation levels are 98 to

100 percent and lungs are clear. We live in the valley and the air quality is

not usually very good.

I do not think there is a silver bullet for all that ails us. However, I do

think MMS and MMS2 go quite a way to help the body heal itself. MMS does not

give the body anything, it kills bad things. You must supplement to give the

body what it needs.

Tim

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> > > I'm new here as I came across MMS a couple of weeks ago. I don't have the

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> > > time to go through all the messages, but I did a search on what I'm

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> > > interested in (details below) and selected a few messages which by their

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> > > title were supposed to show the experiences of some of you guys with MMS.

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> > > First of all, I just ordered today some MMS1 and MMS2 from

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> > > mineral-solutions. My father in law has pancreatic cancer stage 3 (I

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> > > and I was talking to my wife about Jim's protocol for stage 4 cancer and

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> > > MMS; actually I'm looking for help here but after reading through messages

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> > > I'm quite confused.

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> > > It looks like " silverfox_science " and " Tom " are considered trolls here and

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> > > many believe they are paid by BIG PHARMA; maybe... Then who the heck is

Dr.

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> > > Hesselink here is a link for him:

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> > > http://www.bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXhome.htmthey keep mentioning?

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> > > Is this guy actually doing extensive tests the two supposed trolls are

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> > > accusing Jim Humble of not having done? Is there a link showing his

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> > > conclusions?

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> > > Can anyone help making a bit of light here?

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> > > Also, regarding my initial problem with pancreatic cancer and MMS, can

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> > > anyone share any known experience? I'm not looking actually for a miracle

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> > > like me who will help someone and a miracle will happen), but it's while

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> > > searching for my father in law's disease that I found this thing called

MMS

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> > > Btw, is there any interest of using MMS if one is in good shape?

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HelloMy father in law passed away last Friday. He was suffering of pancreatic cancer; he was diagnosed a couple of months ago (end of July 2010). He was not having any pain due to the cancer, he had no palliative treatment, no chemo, he had no surgery.I was looking here for any help on using MMS for his problem (this is how I discovered the group actually, by searching help on using MMS against cancer). I bought MMS and talked to my wife about about this alternative; my wife decided not to continue with, so we never talked or administered any MMS to my father in law. He used minerals and vitamins, curcumin and some ultrasound treatment but I don't know the details on how he was taking those.Thanks to all who offered help and tried answer my questions in this thread; also good luck to those who are suffering or having relatives with

difficult diseases like cancer or similar. I'm personally still neutral on MMS against cancer after these months of personal research (probably the best way to make an opinion is trial & error, even though one must be very careful).

> 1. Anyone knows more on pancreatic cancer and MMS? I read Jim's

> protocol for stage 4 cancer; my father in law is on stage 3. Is it

> worth trying it? He has diabet and heart problems; he's on insulin

> for his diabet.

Are you asking if he needs to wait until he hits stage 4?? Of course not!

If I had cancer, I'd hit it as aggressively as possible with every

treatment/protocol that I had in my arsenal (after confirming that they

work synergistically - or at least are *not* antagonistic to each other)...

> 2. Does it worth to take MMS even if in good shape as a body-cleanup?

> I assume for this a simple protocol (ie start with 1 drop MMS/5

> drops citric acid 3-5 times a day and go up a little bit more, say up

> to 3-5 drops of MMS/15-25 drops citric acid depending on how the body

> responds).

Just don't do it for very long, especially without intervening periods

of antioxidant supplementation...

Just use your head. There are a lot of people who have used very high

dosages for extended periods of time without any *apparently*

detrimental effects, but long term safety has *not* been firmly

established either, so treat it as any other experimental protocol -

with caution.

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Hello Dacian,

I am sorry to hear of your loss.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Tom

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> Hello

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> My father in law passed away last Friday. He was suffering of pancreatic

cancer; he was diagnosed a couple of months ago (end of July 2010). He was not

having any pain due to the cancer, he had no palliative treatment, no chemo, he

had no surgery.

>

> I was looking here for any help on using MMS for his problem (this is how I

discovered the group actually, by searching help on using MMS against cancer). I

bought MMS and talked to my wife about about this alternative; my wife decided

not to continue with, so we never talked or administered any MMS to my father in

law. He used minerals and vitamins, curcumin and some ultrasound treatment but I

don't know the details on how he was taking those.

>

> Thanks to all who offered help and tried answer my questions in this thread;

also good luck to those who are suffering or having relatives with difficult

diseases like cancer or similar. I'm personally still neutral on MMS against

cancer after these months of personal research (probably the best way to make an

opinion is trial & error, even though one must be very careful).

>

>

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My sympathies to you and your wife. My thoughts are with you both. Orrilia

From: fiordean dacian <dfiordean@...> Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:18:25 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Dr. Hesselink, silverfox_science, Tom, Jim Humble and my father in law...

HelloMy father in law passed away last Friday. He was suffering of pancreatic cancer; he was diagnosed a couple of months ago (end of July 2010). He was not having any pain due to the cancer, he had no palliative treatment, no chemo, he had no surgery.I was looking here for any help on using MMS for his problem (this is how I discovered the group actually, by searching help on using MMS against cancer). I bought MMS and talked to my wife about about this alternative; my wife decided not to continue with, so we never talked or administered any MMS to my father in law. He used minerals and vitamins, curcumin and some ultrasound treatment but I don't know the details on how he was taking those.Thanks to all who offered help and tried answer my questions in this thread; also good luck to those who are suffering or having relatives with difficult diseases like cancer or similar. I'm personally still neutral on MMS

against cancer after these months of personal research (probably the best way to make an opinion is trial & error, even though one must be very careful).> 1. Anyone knows more on pancreatic cancer and MMS? I read Jim's> protocol for stage 4 cancer; my father in law is on stage 3. Is it> worth trying it? He has diabet and heart problems; he's on insulin> for his diabet.Are you asking if he needs to wait until he hits stage 4?? Of course not!If I had cancer, I'd hit it as aggressively as possible with everytreatment/protocol that I had in my arsenal (after confirming that theywork synergistically - or at least are *not* antagonistic to each other)...> 2. Does it worth to take MMS even if in good shape as a body-cleanup?> I assume for this a simple protocol (ie start with 1 drop MMS/5> drops citric acid 3-5 times a day and go up a little bit more, say up> to 3-5 drops of MMS/15-25 drops citric acid depending on how the body> responds).Just don't do it for very long, especially without

intervening periodsof antioxidant supplementation...Just use your head. There are a lot of people who have used very highdosages for extended periods of time without any *apparently*detrimental effects, but long term safety has *not* been firmlyestablished either, so treat it as any other experimental protocol -with caution.