Re: Re: @ Tom, fuel injectors

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Ah Tom, I love your replies J

Most certainly the injectors are going to be removed, the

thought of running it thru our engines yikes…hubby is giving them a full

rebuild. We have a newly purchased sonic cleaner with intentions of

making lipo c, read they are wonderful for cleaning auto parts (using jar

inside the cleaner tank so as not to contaminate the tank). Frog, my 92 4

runner has rebuilt engine…hubby did that to. Not that he was born a

mechanical genius like some you meet…it was born out of necessity. With

everything else so new in Frog the injectors are the only thing left that need

fine tuning. He rebuilt the engine on his 86 4 runner and sent the

injectors off to mr injector…fellow who is a true injector wizard. Now

he wants to try DIY.

We still have access to ‘real gas’ and it is

like night and day with Frog. She loves ‘real’ gas as do our

other vehicles. Ethanol brings immediate loss of mpg and power. Cows

run better on corn than ‘frogs’ but even that is debatable.

Was just wondering on the ASC because everything else we’ve

used it on is da bomb but you don’t see it listed in the who’s who

of injector cleaners.

Here’s an interesting observation. I used just

a tiny amount to clean the faucet screen. Nothing measured just squirt of

this and squirt of that. Some 12 hours later I was cleaning scale off a ceramic

water crock (they are the worst for scale build up). Wondered if there

was any punch left in the ASC (didn’t think there would be, it had

started going back to flake) so poured it in the crock and added hot

water. Wow…it smoked and made continuous clouds that rose a good 6

inches or more (they were pretty). It surprised me that this tiny amount

of what I thought was probably spent ASC could make such a cloud and it kept on

like that for who knows how long…I moved the crock to a location where I was

not breathing the fumes. I need to thank you for the burning eyes stories

or I probably would have had my nose right in it. I need to ck scale

status of the crock…kinda forgot about it.

I’ll pass on the two cycle oil info. loves

to learn things like this. We use synthetic oil, big fans of such so our

engines stay clean anyway. Also use franz oil bypass filters, the ones

that hold toilet paper. We ‘believe’ in cleaner runs better *wink*

sea foam seems to be a well respected engine cleaner also. We got a tank

of bad gas and frog was barely chugging. Put in a can of sea foam,

instant results. We have two vehicles that he has not rebuilt the

engines and he might want to give this a spin.

But gotta tell you after seeing the cloud that came off

that little tiny bit of ‘old’ ASC it gave me even more reason to

proceed judiciously in using it on animate things…

Just sayin

rose

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Tom,Do you add the TC-W3 every time you fill the tank or just the first 10 tanks of gas?thanksOn Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:39 PM, silverfox_science <poast@...> wrote:

 

Hello Rose,

Unfortunately, a vehicle will not run on activated sodium chlorite, so you would have to remove the injectors to clean them. If you go through the effort to remove them, there are excellent solvents that remove the build up so there is no need to use a chlorine dioxide solution on them. I don't know if it would work because I have never tried it, but I don't think it would be as effective as a solvent designed to clean injectors.

With that said, and if the vehicle still runs, there is something that you can try, if you are up to it...

A few years ago 2 stroke oil was reformulated to a TC-W3 specification. The idea was to improve performance, keep the engine clean, burn ash less, and minimize the smoke associated with 2 stroke engines. A group of people got together and decided to try this out. They have logged over a million miles without problems, and claim excellent results.

The results that have been observed are quieter running fuel pumps if the fuel pump is located in the fuel tank, no corrosion in the fuel rail, clean injectors, clean spark plugs, less oil consumption, improved performance, and a slight increase in fuel economy. We have looked at the inside of cylinders using a borescope, before and after using this oil additive. We have looked at spark plugs, and carefully measured fuel economy. I have experience with using it in 5 vehicles and have logged over 30000 miles using it.

I have seen cleaner spark plugs, a cleaner engine top end, and a slight improvement in fuel economy. I don't want to say that your fuel economy will increase, but it is more like it will get back to what it was when the engine was new.

Wal-Mart sells their brand for around $10 a gallon. You don't need to go with any particular brand, and in this case it is best to shop on price. You are looking for 2 stroke oil that has the TC-W3 label on it.

This is added to your gas in the ratio of 1 ounce of oil per 5 gallons of fuel. When you fill up, keep track of the amount of gallons you put in. When you get home, add the oil for the amount of fuel you just filled up with. You should experience an improvement after the second full tank. It is a gradual process that takes some to complete, and if there is actual damage to the engine, it is not a miracle worker.

Informal dyno testing after 10 tanks of fuel showed a very slight increase in horsepower and torque, but no one felt that this was significant. On line diagnostic testing while driving showed an increase in timing advance after the " gunk " had been cleaned out. I believe this is why there is a fuel economy improvement. After the " gunk " is cleaned out, the engine can run at the levels the computer sets and does not have to retard the timing due to knocking.

I figure the increase in fuel economy offsets the cost of the 2 stroke oil. I went from 25 - 26 mpg to 27 - 28 mpg.

Oil analysis after extended oil change interval (about 14000 miles between changes) indicated a slight increase in potassium and sodium. It is believed this increase was caused by the addition of the 2 stroke oil. I will be trending this data to see what happens.

While I don't have evidence that this stuff works, the anecdotal results are promising enough to suggest trying it.

One other thing. In gasoline engines the results are not as great with those who regularly use top tier gasoline. However, if you use the cheapest gasoline you can find, the results are better. If your gasoline has ethanol blended with it the results are better than if you have access to non blended gasoline.

To bring this back on topic... Cleaning the build up off of faucet screens is a great application of acidified sodium chlorite.

Tom

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> Afternoon Tom,

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> Kinda sheepish to ask this on forum (instead of pm) but who knows, the

> information might benefit another member. Certainly not to diminish the

> health concerns being discussed but hubby would like me to ask do you have

> any info on using SC or ASC for cleaning fuel injectors?

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> Empirical log from last night...ever try to clean your faucet screens, the

> ones that make the water come out in a nice spray instead of shooting in all

> directions J our area is replete with limestone so the water leaves a

> healthy build up. I am the anal faucet screen cleaner but never get it

> 'like new'. Soaked in ASC for just a few last night, followed up with my

> cleaning tools and it is like a new faucet. Seriously, have never seen it

> this nice since it was new.

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> Some of you are probably going doesn't take much to wet her whistle

> *chuckle*.well, true, it doesn't. I am delighted to see the water come thru

> in this perfect, and I do mean, perfect, stream. It's a bitch when you are

> washing tons of beast dish in near scaling hot water and the water goes out

> in all directions J at those temps you want the water to go in one

> direction only.

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> Thanks Tom,

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> rose

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Morning Tom,

is picking up your recommended two cycle today. Wants

to run it thru all the vehicles

THANKS !!!

Ps…what other gems have you stumbled upon…um,

inquiring minds J