RE: Re: My experience with MMS (Good and Bad) / intenstinal flora

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You may want to look into a regime of probiotics under

the supervision of someone that understands how they work inside the

body. Simply adding them to your diet may not be enough. You may

have to follow some specific instructions to get your normal flora back in

shape.

Tom

Years ago hubby and I researched probiotics. We read

a book written by the woman who founded Natrum...Natasha Trenev. In the

book it was explained why standard probiotics are basically minimally

ineffective. I'll see if I can find and excerpt. I wish I could

remember word for word how it went but something like the probiotics are ripped

from their native environments, raped (centrifuge) packed up, sent on, then are

supposed to hit your body in this traumatized state and be effective.

The natren products are expensive

http://store.natren.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=N & Screen=CTGY & Category_Code=all_products & gclid=CPiB7bLg16ICFQ5c2godcRJ0wQ

naturopath friend told us about the Seattle study...i

can't find the link yet...and most of the high dollar probiotics on the market

are not really what they say they are on the bottle and basically

useless. Interesting that some of the ‘cheap’ brands did better

in the study than the high dollar ones.

We have found here at our sanctuary, after trying more

probiotics than we care to recall that kefir grown from kefir grains is the

most effective method of replenishing your flora. We have tried store

bought, special order, on the beast and ourselves. When I added water

kefir to the animals food I noticed a huge shift. We used the milk kefir

for ‘intensive’ care situations.

Dom's kefir site has a lot of good information and the

two forums are excellent

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

the water kefir, while not as potent as milk kefir, is a

wonderful refreshing drink. While drinking it hubby passed parasites that

were visible to the eyes. Maybe I did to...didn't want to look J

there are folks on the list that will send you grains for

the price of shipping.

Dom has some interesting strains for sale and it’s

a pittance compared to probiotic prices. Nice thing about your grains is

they multiply and go on forever (if you don’t neglect them like we

did). We plan to get more grains and start again. If we had some

going I would just send them to you.

Imho all the probiotics for the most part, with the

exception of Natren, which seems to be reputable, is a waste of money and

hope. When I compare kefir to Natren there is no comparison.

Kefir will replenish your flora…and it is the gift

that keeps on giving

Xxx

rose

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The only thing I will say is that RECENTLY people have been having trouble with Dom. He takes the money they send and does not send the grains nor send the money back. He tells them he's in financial straits. I will also say that I have ordered from him in the past and he was always completely responsible, sent my grains on time and always answered any questions I have.

But I am only repeating what I have heard on the kefir list I'm on, hoping to save anyone thinking of sending to Dom for grains. There are other places on the web to get them, and if you join one of the kefir , people will either sell you some grains or--by being on the list and posting where you live, many times members that live in the same area will just give you grains if you go and pick them up.

Samala,

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Dom's kefir site has a lot of good information and the two forums are excellent

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

Dom has some interesting strains for sale and it’s a pittance compared to probiotic prices. Nice thing about your grains is they multiply and go on forever (if you don’t neglect them like we did). We plan to get more grains and start again. If we had some going I would just send them to you.

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The only thing I will say is

that RECENTLY people have been having trouble with Dom. He takes the

money they send and does not send the grains nor send the money back. He

tells them he's in financial straits.

Thanks for the heads up …I

don’t keep up with the kefir list. Well, too bad. I was thinking of ordering

some of his milk grains bc the ones that were given to us locally never really

reproduced like they should have and we gave them many choices of milk.

Too bad about Dom…I’ll

have a peak in on the kefir forums