Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I mentioned she get screened for sle because she said she had or suspected she had CF and FMS which also occur in lupus frequently as co- diagnoses. as well as lupus being the great imitator of over 1,0000 different diseases and disorders. many of the symptoms seen in lupus are also seen in THYROID and ADRENAL diseases. nancie Re: Newbee She didn't say she had lupus; someone else [Nancie?] suggested she be checked for lupus. See below: > I would advise to be screened for lupus aka systemic lupus > erythematosus. many of your symptoms are very common in lupus patients. Then Gracia responded with " why? " ; and suggested she just take the medication for lupus that Gracia recommends. So my point was that she should get tested for lupus before being treated for lupus. But frankly I'm getting confused now too... > Re: Newbee > <hypothyroidism/message/34140;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcnRyNmR\ sBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQxNDAEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTIyODY3NA--<hypo\ thyroidism/message/34140;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcnRyNmRsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NA\ RncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQxNDAEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5OT\ IyODY3NA-->> > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...<mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net> > <mailto:sweetnwright@...<mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>?Subject=%20Re%3A%20N\ ewbee> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1<sweetenloe1>> > > > Tue Jan 1, 2008 2:11 pm (PST) > > I am confused, I don't think the original post mentioned lupus at all. Its > sounded to me like she needs Armour. Yes, maybe she has some symptoms of > lupus, but so do most thyroid patients. I think the 1st place she should > start is with her thyroid. > cw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 My 2 cents. Get tests and figure out what's going on! Then treat! I am all for combing regular medicine with Holistic. I am currently doing this and it's working! AJ **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 just to put everyone at ease. I will get tested for all that I can as soon as I can get to a doctor, they take forever to get an appointment. I was just trying to find a supplement that might help me to feel better until I get there. I am going to try some iodine with vitamin C and see what happens. BUT, as I have stated before I do have an appointment and will be going to get tested. thanks T **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 And I interpreted Gracia's follow-up to suggest that she skip the lupus test and just treat for lupus, using Gracia's " prescription " . And my response was to support your suggestion that she get tested; especially before she treats for lupus. Given something as confusing as lupus I think it's foolish to start treating without a credible diagnosis. > > Re: Newbee > <hypothyroidism/message/34187;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZzZsc2E\ 3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQxODcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTI1OTI4MQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@... > <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbee> > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1> > > > Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:18 pm (PST) > > I mentioned she get screened for sle because she said she had or > suspected she had CF and FMS which also occur in lupus frequently as > co- diagnoses. as well as lupus being the great imitator of over > 1,0000 different diseases and disorders. many of the symptoms seen in > lupus are also seen in THYROID and ADRENAL diseases. > nancie > Re: Newbee > > She didn't say she had lupus; someone else [Nancie?] suggested she be > checked for lupus. See below: > > > I would advise to be screened for lupus aka systemic lupus > > erythematosus. many of your symptoms are very common in lupus patients. > Then Gracia responded with " why? " ; and suggested she just take the > medication for lupus that Gracia recommends. > > So my point was that she should get tested for lupus before being > treated for lupus. > > But frankly I'm getting confused now too... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 thanks for that nancie Re: Newbee And I interpreted Gracia's follow-up to suggest that she skip the lupus test and just treat for lupus, using Gracia's " prescription " . And my response was to support your suggestion that she get tested; especially before she treats for lupus. Given something as confusing as lupus I think it's foolish to start treating without a credible diagnosis. > Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...<mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com> > <mailto:deifspirit@...<mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com>?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbe\ e> > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1<aspenfairy1>> > > > Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:18 pm (PST) > > I mentioned she get screened for sle because she said she had or > suspected she had CF and FMS which also occur in lupus frequently as > co- diagnoses. as well as lupus being the great imitator of over > 1,0000 different diseases and disorders. many of the symptoms seen in > lupus are also seen in THYROID and ADRENAL diseases. > nancie > Recent Activity a.. 10New Members<hypothyroidism/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZDFkbH\ FrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm\ 1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTI5ODE1MQ--> Visit Your Group <hypothyroidism;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNGNhYzJoBF9TAzk3MzU5N\ zE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxM\ Tk5Mjk4MTUx> Cancer Support Groups on <http://us.ard./SIG=12ntcacqt/M=493064.12016247.12445656.10478265\ /D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199305351/A=4763764/R=0/SIG=11uofhk5p/\ *http://advision.webevents./cancersupport/index.html> Find answers, connect with others. FruitaBü Group A Parent´s Place<http://us.ard./SIG=12m1120gu/M=493064.12016231.12445647.9706571/D\ =grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199305351/A=4836033/R=0/SIG=11n53k6s3/*h\ ttp://health./group/fruitabuparents/> to share ideas on family cooking. Health Fit for Life<http://us.ard./SIG=12md0ihqe/M=493064.12016303.124456959706571/D=g\ rphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199305351/A=5008809/R=0/SIG=10q26t77l/*htt\ p://health./> Getting fit is now easier than ever. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 ridiculous. treat her symptoms and you eliminate the need to treat all the other " diseases " docs will come up with. you guys do not understand the power of holistic medicine. Gracia And I interpreted Gracia's follow-up to suggest that she skip the lupus test and just treat for lupus, using Gracia's " prescription " . And my response was to support your suggestion that she get tested; especially before she treats for lupus. Given something as confusing as lupus I think it's foolish to start treating without a credible diagnosis. > > Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. FruitaBü Group A Parent´s Place to share ideas on family cooking. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 that is b/c they are one and the same thing. read Solved the Riddle of Illness by Langer MD or Hypothyroidism the Unsuspected Illness.by Broda MD Gracia I mentioned she get screened for sle because she said she had or suspected she had CF and FMS which also occur in lupus frequently as co- diagnoses. as well as lupus being the great imitator of over 1,0000 different diseases and disorders. many of the symptoms seen in lupus are also seen in THYROID and ADRENAL diseases. nancie Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Resources on Find answers, help and support. FruitaBü Parents Healthy Eating Zone A parenting resource on . Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 well that sounds OK except that many many of us are told our tests are " normal " . Our symptoms need to be treated, not the tests. I just think this system is a huge failure. Gracia My 2 cents. Get tests and figure out what's going on! Then treat! I am all for combing regular medicine with Holistic. I am currently doing this and it's working! AJ **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 that is ridiulous. the diseases are not made up gracia! by your own logic then thyroid disease is made up and none of us should have symptoms. granted you got screwed by a physician or several doc BUT that does NOT mean that ALL DISEASE is a fantasy. Holistic medicine treats symptoms and DISEASES and DISORDERS. SYMPTOMS do not happen in a vacuum- they happen because something is wrong with an organ or an organ system. Re: Re: Newbee ridiculous. treat her symptoms and you eliminate the need to treat all the other " diseases " docs will come up with. you guys do not understand the power of holistic medicine. Gracia And I interpreted Gracia's follow-up to suggest that she skip the lupus test and just treat for lupus, using Gracia's " prescription " . And my response was to support your suggestion that she get tested; especially before she treats for lupus. Given something as confusing as lupus I think it's foolish to start treating without a credible diagnosis. > > Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. FruitaBü Group A Parent´s Place to share ideas on family cooking. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. . ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I do not agree. the problem here is probly with the testing. the testing is problematic. Gracia not for everyone who has lupus. ergo not every lupus patient is treated with DHEA. it depends on the individual's situation. one size fits all does not have a place in medicne. Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I am sorry. you do not understand. Gracia what are you so afraid of?? that she gets screened for lupus?? why would that matter to you whether she gets screened for sle; diabetes; yeast infections; etc I think it is ridiculous that you get so offended if someone on this list dare to suggest that a women get screened for a very common disease that is under screened for. I screen all my patients for; lupus; thyroid disease; STI's; HIV; heart disease; liver disease; vaginal infections; HPV; renal dz; Rheumatoid arthritis; blood disorders, diabetes; etc. lupus is like diabetes was 20 years ago- it is just being more recognized as a very serious disease that is under screened for. Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Healthy Eating A Group for families on how to eat healthy. Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 guilty! sorry I do not agree with you. In fact I think you are confused. Gracia excuse me but I am a NP with advanced training in rheumatologic diseases and lupus is different with EVERY Patient ergo NO 2 LUPUS patients are alike. therefore there is NOT one treatment plan for EVERYBODY. while we do use DHEA in treatment we do not use indoral; armour or cortef unless they have a thyroid problem or adrenal issues otherwise you are giving them medicine that is not needed. making a blanket statement like that could be construed as practicing medicine without a license....... Re: Newbee you don't have to agree with me but that is absolutely my best advice. Lupus WILL respond to cortef, Iodoral, Armour and DHEA. IMO that is proper treatment. Gracia no Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. FruitaBü Parents on teaching families how to eat healthy. Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 rotflmao Re: Newbee you don't have to agree with me but that is absolutely my best advice. Lupus WILL respond to cortef, Iodoral, Armour and DHEA. IMO that is proper treatment. Gracia no Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. FruitaBü Parents on teaching families how to eat healthy. Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. . ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I think roni was correct that it is hard for you to accept or understand that one treatment plan DOES NOT FIT ALL. Re: Newbee I am sorry. you do not understand. Gracia what are you so afraid of?? that she gets screened for lupus?? why would that matter to you whether she gets screened for sle; diabetes; yeast infections; etc I think it is ridiculous that you get so offended if someone on this list dare to suggest that a women get screened for a very common disease that is under screened for. I screen all my patients for; lupus; thyroid disease; STI's; HIV; heart disease; liver disease; vaginal infections; HPV; renal dz; Rheumatoid arthritis; blood disorders, diabetes; etc. lupus is like diabetes was 20 years ago- it is just being more recognized as a very serious disease that is under screened for. Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Healthy Eating A Group for families on how to eat healthy. Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 with your logic then ALL thyroid patients should NEVER get tested. Because all thyroid tests are faulty. Re: Re: Newbee I do not agree. the problem here is probly with the testing. the testing is problematic. Gracia not for everyone who has lupus. ergo not every lupus patient is treated with DHEA. it depends on the individual's situation. one size fits all does not have a place in medicne. Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. . ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 they are not the same disease because the etiology or cause of FMS is still unknown. It is SUSPECTED that the etiologies of FMS and CF could be the same but we are not sure. Re: Re: Newbee that is b/c they are one and the same thing. read Solved the Riddle of Illness by Langer MD or Hypothyroidism the Unsuspected Illness.by Broda MD Gracia I mentioned she get screened for sle because she said she had or suspected she had CF and FMS which also occur in lupus frequently as co- diagnoses. as well as lupus being the great imitator of over 1,0000 different diseases and disorders. many of the symptoms seen in lupus are also seen in THYROID and ADRENAL diseases. nancie Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Resources on Find answers, help and support. FruitaBü Parents Healthy Eating Zone A parenting resource on . Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. . ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Hey, like are y'all still yacking about fibromyalgia and cystic fibrosis and lupus and all that? I know this one gal that lives 105 miles south of me and she was diagnosed with Lupus except she has classic symptoms of hypErthyrodism as well as iodine deficiency. Of course she's not getting any treatment for the thyroid thang and she doesn't want me to tell her anything about it, nor about iodine deficiency because she's accepted her fate. I really want her to meet another of my friends who had exact same symptoms and the same diagnosis, but she was cured (her words) with Armour, adrenal support, Iodoral, and vitamin c... About lupus...while I was grossly hypO and being given that poison synthroid (I have no thyroid gland), I had chronic, inflammatory, connective tissue problems, among a myriad of other disasterous health issues. Some nutjob told me I didn't have a thyroid problem I had lupus. And I said that my thyroid problem was that I didn't have one. What an interesting thing that ALL those nasty health issues completely disappeared after I switched to desiccated thyroid, dosed by symptoms, added BHRT (no uterus/ovaries either) also dosed by symptoms, adrenal support, and Iodoral. Um, I run a group for people without thyroid glands. Pretty much everyone had fibromyalgia while still grossly hypO. All gone when they became non-hypO. Fibro has pretty much been one of the symptoms of hypOthyroidism for as long as I have been reading about it. When a doc says something like the following, I sort of want to bash him/her over the head with a chair so that maybe they will be prompted to " explore the obvious " before killing the patient: 'I realize you have not had any thyroid replacement for 2 weeks and want thyroid meds, but before you get treated for the hypothyroidism you have due to being thyroidless, I want to look for another cause to your body breaking down and dying'. Sam (thyroidless since 1990) > > they are not the same disease because the etiology or cause of FMS is still unknown. It is SUSPECTED that the etiologies of FMS and CF could be the same but we are not sure. > > Re: Re: Newbee > > > > that is b/c they are one and the same thing. > read Solved the Riddle of Illness by Langer MD > or > Hypothyroidism the Unsuspected Illness.by Broda MD > Gracia > > I mentioned she get screened for sle because she said she had or suspected she had CF and FMS which also occur in lupus frequently as co- diagnoses. as well as lupus being the great imitator of over 1,0000 different diseases and disorders. many of the symptoms seen in lupus are also seen in THYROID and ADRENAL diseases. > nancie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 yeah that's what I'm talkin' about. health care vs disease management. Gracia Hey, like are y'all still yacking about fibromyalgia and cystic fibrosis and lupus and all that? I know this one gal that lives 105 miles south of me and she was diagnosed with Lupus except she has classic symptoms of hypErthyrodism as well as iodine deficiency. Of course she's not getting any treatment for the thyroid thang and she doesn't want me to tell her anything about it, nor about iodine deficiency because she's accepted her fate. I really want her to meet another of my friends who had exact same symptoms and the same diagnosis, but she was cured (her words) with Armour, adrenal support, Iodoral, and vitamin c... About lupus...while I was grossly hypO and being given that poison synthroid (I have no thyroid gland), I had chronic, inflammatory, connective tissue problems, among a myriad of other disasterous health issues. Some nutjob told me I didn't have a thyroid problem I had lupus. And I said that my thyroid problem was that I didn't have one. What an interesting thing that ALL those nasty health issues completely disappeared after I switched to desiccated thyroid, dosed by symptoms, added BHRT (no uterus/ovaries either) also dosed by symptoms, adrenal support, and Iodoral. Um, I run a group for people without thyroid glands. Pretty much everyone had fibromyalgia while still grossly hypO. All gone when they became non-hypO. Fibro has pretty much been one of the symptoms of hypOthyroidism for as long as I have been reading about it. When a doc says something like the following, I sort of want to bash him/her over the head with a chair so that maybe they will be prompted to " explore the obvious " before killing the patient: 'I realize you have not had any thyroid replacement for 2 weeks and want thyroid meds, but before you get treated for the hypothyroidism you have due to being thyroidless, I want to look for another cause to your body breaking down and dying'. Sam (thyroidless since 1990) Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Resources on Find answers, help and support. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Faria Crawford wrote: > ... The thyroid test I took at my regular doctor came back within normal limits,... Please tell us the numbers. Which tests? Reference ranges? This is nearly meaningless. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I'm sorry for your problems. I have FMS as well as hypothyroid, and it's possible that you have it too, or CFS. The one thing I want to tell you is that you should be aware that hydrocortisone is a horrible drug that is vicious in its side effects. Another thing is that the side effects are cumulative, so you don't have to be on very high doses to have these awful side effects. Please do some research on several different sites and check this out. I was given this drug many times for bronchitis and asthma, and I had no idea of what it does. I will never take it again. Good luck and I hope your new doctor will help you. Roni Faria Crawford <TLCrawford916@...> wrote: I am not against taking meds, I take plenty for all the other stuff I have going on. I have not been to the endocronologist yet, I go the 25 of Jan. I just wanted to start feeling better. The thyroid test I took at my regular doctor came back within normal limits, so they are not going to give me anything. The NP that I went to to get on bio- hormone replacement for the hysterectomy found the adrenal fatigue and gave me adreset which is a herbal formula to help support the adrenal gland. the hydrocortizone is for six weeks to try to jump start the adrenal gland. I will get tested for everything when I go to the endocronologist and hopefully they will get me straight, but that is a month away and I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. I did find a vitamin supplement that has alot of selenium, iodine, b-complexes, and the A's C's and D's in it. It also has alot of other nutrients. I was just wondering from others who suffer if they had found anything that helps them to feel better. The fatigue has me at the end of my rope. I just want to feel better. thanks T > > > > > > ppl with thyroid probs have more autoimmune " diseases " . ppl with > lupus need DHEA, this is a big part of treatment. DHEA is an adrenal > hormone, and cortef should be used with it. Iodine has been called > the universal medicine and certainly everyone can benefit from it, > especially sick ppl. > > I have learned about lupus from MD's newsletter, > also http://www.drlam.com > > I don't expect you to understand or agree with me, but maybe this > person will investigate some of these things for herself. > > She can also search on http://www.iodine4health.com > > Gracia > > > > If your car were broken wouldn't you want to know [or have the > mechanic > > know] what was wrong with it before beginning a repair? Even if > you > > decided you didn't want the type of repair he recommended it > would still > > be foolish to replace your transmission when the actual problem > is the > > brakes. > > > > ly your recommendations all too often sound like " replace > the > > transmission; never mind whatever is the real problem " . Do you > really > > think that's always good advice? > > > > I know you mean well and so my apologies if this off the wall > analogy > > seems overly harsh; but I feel it contains elements of truth. > ly > > your recommendations often scare me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Newbee > > > > <hypothyroidism/message/34109;_ylc=X3oDM > TJxYmFjdnJ1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODI > EbXNnSWQDMzQxMDkEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTE4MDgzOA--> > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@ > > > <mailto:circe@?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbee> graciabee > > > <graciabee> > > > > > > > > > Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:33 pm (PST) > > > > > > > > > why? she will get poor treatment. In allopathic medicne every > symptom > > > is a new disease, with it's own pharmacopia. > > > Allopaths don't use Armour, cortef, or DHEA. > > > Gracia > > > > > > I would advise to be screened for lupus aka systemic lupus > > > erythematosus. many of your symptoms are very common in lupus > patients. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Only treating symptoms is utter foolishness, whether holistically or otherwise. There are many illnesses that have no symptoms until it is too late. And many others where the symptoms may be caused by many different illnesses; each of which will require different courses of treatment. Again, whether holistically or otherwise. > > Re: Newbee > <hypothyroidism/message/34207;_ylc=X3oDMTJxN283Z2d\ 2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQyMDcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTMyNzkxOA--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbee> graciabee > <graciabee> > > > Wed Jan 2, 2008 2:48 pm (PST) > > > ridiculous. treat her symptoms and you eliminate the need to treat all > the other " diseases " docs will come up with. you guys do not > understand the power of holistic medicine. > Gracia > > And I interpreted Gracia's follow-up to suggest that she skip the lupus > test and just treat for lupus, using Gracia's " prescription " > . And my > response was to support your suggestion that she get tested; especially > before she treats for lupus. Given something as confusing as lupus I > think it's foolish to start treating without a credible diagnosis. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I don't think you will get much help from conventional sources. hopefully you will look at the books I recommended. Most of us have had to work very hard and become proactive to get proper treatment. I would actually be dead now, except I borrowed some Armour from a friend. Gracia I am not against taking meds, I take plenty for all the other stuff I have going on. I have not been to the endocronologist yet, I go the 25 of Jan. I just wanted to start feeling better. The thyroid test I took at my regular doctor came back within normal limits, so they are not going to give me anything. The NP that I went to to get on bio- hormone replacement for the hysterectomy found the adrenal fatigue and gave me adreset which is a herbal formula to help support the adrenal gland. the hydrocortizone is for six weeks to try to jump start the adrenal gland. I will get tested for everything when I go to the endocronologist and hopefully they will get me straight, but that is a month away and I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. I did find a vitamin supplement that has alot of selenium, iodine, b-complexes, and the A's C's and D's in it. It also has alot of other nutrients. I was just wondering from others who suffer if they had found anything that helps them to feel better. The fatigue has me at the end of my rope. I just want to feel better. thanks T --- Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 One funny thing is that Dr. Thierry Hertoghe, who she seems to idolize, always seemed to test his patients. True, he could [apparently] very often diagnose by a physical exam only; but he followed up [with the tests Gracia hates] to confirm his diagnosis. Apparently if he accurately diagnosed Gracia then he would not be able to follow up with the tests [if all her tests show normal]. > > Re: Newbee > <hypothyroidism/message/34225;_ylc=X3oDMTJxc280cmw\ xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQyMjUEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTM1NTc5NA--> > > > > Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@... > <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbee> > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1> > > > Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:43 pm (PST) > > with your logic then ALL thyroid patients should NEVER get tested. > Because all thyroid tests are faulty. > Re: Re: Newbee > > I do not agree. the problem here is probly with the testing. > the testing is problematic. > Gracia > > not for everyone who has lupus. ergo not every lupus patient is > treated with DHEA. it depends on the individual's situation. one size > fits all does not have a place in medicne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I have FMS, too. although I am not sure if I had FMS before I was diagnosed with hypo T. I had lupus as a child- but wasn't officially diagnosed- we [ my providers and I] have come to that conclusion based on childhood symptoms. in medicine we frequently see thyroid issues in FMS- but we do not firmly believe it is caused by hypo T. Re: Newbee When I first came down with fibromyalgia, I seemed to have all the symptoms of lupus or RA. The doctor had me tested for both and when they were negative, sent me to a rheumatologist who took a history and examined me and declared me definitly having fibromyalgia. I also have hypothyroid, and have since my early twenties, maybe even before that. Roni Recent Activity a.. 12New Members<hypothyroidism/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN3UzYj\ hjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm\ 1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTQwNDQ2OQ--> Visit Your Group <hypothyroidism;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNjJmaGxtBF9TAzk3MzU5N\ zE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxM\ Tk5NDA0NDY5> Having cancer is hard<http://us.ard./SIG=12nbjn0kr/M=493064.12016247.1244565610478265/D=\ grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199411669/A=4763763/R=0/SIG=11uofhk5p/*ht\ tp://advision.webevents./cancersupport/index.html> Finding help shouldn´t be. FruitaBü Parents on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12m3q3e4i/M=493064.12016231.12445647.9706571/\ D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199411669/A=4718984/R=0/SIG=11kunoe70/*\ http://advision.webevents./healthyeating/> teaching families how to eat healthy. Health Live Better Longer<http://us.ard./SIG=12m7ek6t1/M=493064.12016303.12445695.9706571/\ D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199411669/A=5008807/R=0/SIG=10q26t77l/*\ http://health./> Find new ways to stay healthy. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 At fifteen I developed pneumonia and mono at the same time, and was ill for two solid months. Came out of it with a collapsed lung, which thankfully healed with three weeks in the Florida sun (also got sun poisoning, but that's another story). Some think that mono is one of the precursors of FMS. I really don't know. All I know is that I am in a flare right now and I hurt all over. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: I have FMS, too. although I am not sure if I had FMS before I was diagnosed with hypo T. I had lupus as a child- but wasn't officially diagnosed- we [ my providers and I] have come to that conclusion based on childhood symptoms. in medicine we frequently see thyroid issues in FMS- but we do not firmly believe it is caused by hypo T. Re: Newbee When I first came down with fibromyalgia, I seemed to have all the symptoms of lupus or RA. The doctor had me tested for both and when they were negative, sent me to a rheumatologist who took a history and examined me and declared me definitly having fibromyalgia. I also have hypothyroid, and have since my early twenties, maybe even before that. Roni Recent Activity a.. 12New Members<hypothyroidism/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN3UzYj\ hjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm\ 1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTQwNDQ2OQ--> Visit Your Group <hypothyroidism;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNjJmaGxtBF9TAzk3MzU5N\ zE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxM\ Tk5NDA0NDY5> Having cancer is hard<http://us.ard./SIG=12nbjn0kr/M=493064.12016247.1244565610478265/D=\ grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199411669/A=4763763/R=0/SIG=11uofhk5p/*ht\ tp://advision.webevents./cancersupport/index.html> Finding help shouldn´t be. FruitaBü Parents on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12m3q3e4i/M=493064.12016231.12445647.9706571/\ D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199411669/A=4718984/R=0/SIG=11kunoe70/*\ http://advision.webevents./healthyeating/> teaching families how to eat healthy. Health Live Better Longer<http://us.ard./SIG=12m7ek6t1/M=493064.12016303.12445695.9706571/\ D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1199411669/A=5008807/R=0/SIG=10q26t77l/*\ http://health./> Find new ways to stay healthy. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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