Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 I really need some advice. I recently discovered that my mms activator (citric acid crystal mixture) had mold in it. The bottle said " Store at room temperature and away from sunlight " so i did just that. I have found no expiration date on this bottle so i had no idea as to how long the shelf life was/is. I estimate i mixed it up about 1 - 1.5 months ago and had used just part of it. The mms actually has a expiration date on it of 8/2011. I just am getting over a bad sinus infection which started about 2 weeks ago using only mms..I used the moldy activator not knowing it at the time when i fist started it for the sinus problem. It got so bad that at one point i was up all night sneezing uncontrollably, dripping, blowing and by the morning my tonsils were so inflamed they were actually sitting on the back of my tongue and every time i swallowed it was like i was trying to swallow my tonsils and i could barley speak. I suspect things only got this bad because of the mold in addition to whatever else first started my sinus problems. So can someone please tell me how best to prepare/store the mms and the activator so i don't repeat this again. I am refrigerating the mms (i don't know if i should) but not the activator because only the activator said to store at room temperature on the bottle. Is there a way to mix up less than one whole bottle of activator so it wont go to waste..as i cannot see mixing up a whole bottle of activator and using my crystals up only to have to pour most of it out because its molding up on me. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Well, that was pretty stupid whoever said store at room temp. Doing that WILL allow it to mold. I know--happened to me. So I now keep my bottle of citric in the fridge and my MMS in a cabinet so it doesn't get exposed to light. But the citric in the fridge keeps great, whereas when it is sitting out, or in the cabinet, it spoils fast. Don't refrigerate the MMS because it won't spoil, and the constant light 'flashes' from opening the fridge isn't great for it. MMS will keep from 2 to 4 years so not much worry there. But if you make up a bottle of citric, keep it in the fridge. If not, spoilage (mold) will start happening in just a few weeks. Samala, -------Original Message------- I really need some advice. I recently discovered that my mms activator (citric acid crystal mixture) had mold in it. The bottle said " Store at room temperature and away from sunlight" so i did just that. I have found no expiration date on this bottle so i had no idea as to how long the shelf life was/is. I estimate i mixed it up about 1 - 1.5 months ago and had used just part of it. The mms actually has a expiration date on it of 8/2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 On 2010-07-21 11:23 AM, <gaiacita@...> wrote: > Well, that was pretty stupid whoever said store at room temp. Doing > that WILL allow it to mold. I know--happened to me. That is what Jim said to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 On 2010-07-21 10:57 AM, premiergifts <premiergifts@...> wrote: > So can someone please tell me how best to prepare/store the mms and the activator so i don't repeat this again. I had the same thing happen when I first started using it, and when asked about it, Jim said it shouldn't happen. I found that I had to store it in the fridge, and it still seemed to last only a couple of weeks... I don't use citric acid anymore, I use lemon juice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Hello Premiergifts, This is reported from time to time, but I have never been able to duplicate it. I use UPC grade citric acid and mix it with distilled water. I have had samples in jars for a little over 3 years now, stored at room temperature, and still no mold. Cooler temperatures will slow down chemical reactions and mold growth, but I am trying to figure out why this happens in the first place... Some possibilities include, impurities in the citric acid powder, impurities in the water used for the mix, or a lot of mold spores in the environment. Stick it in the refrigerator and you may want to consider mixing up a smaller amount so that you use it up faster. Tom > > I really need some advice. I recently discovered that my mms activator (citric acid crystal mixture) had mold in it. The bottle said " Store at room temperature and away from sunlight " so i did just that. I have found no expiration date on this bottle so i had no idea as to how long the shelf life was/is. I estimate i mixed it up about 1 - 1.5 months ago and had used just part of it. The mms actually has a expiration date on it of 8/2011. > > I just am getting over a bad sinus infection which started about 2 weeks ago using only mms..I used the moldy activator not knowing it at the time when i fist started it for the sinus problem. It got so bad that at one point i was up all night sneezing uncontrollably, dripping, blowing and by the morning my tonsils were so inflamed they were actually sitting on the back of my tongue and every time i swallowed it was like i was trying to swallow my tonsils and i could barley speak. I suspect things only got this bad because of the mold in addition to whatever else first started my sinus problems. > > So can someone please tell me how best to prepare/store the mms and the activator so i don't repeat this again. I am refrigerating the mms (i don't know if i should) but not the activator because only the activator said to store at room temperature on the bottle. Is there a way to mix up less than one whole bottle of activator so it wont go to waste..as i cannot see mixing up a whole bottle of activator and using my crystals up only to have to pour most of it out because its molding up on me. Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Yeah, best bet is to just make up a few days worth of citric, rather than a big bottle of it. Plus--people with corn allergies need to be aware that most citric they buy is no longer made from dehydrated lemon juice--it's actually from corn! Many people were getting sicker when using citric and couldn't figure out why, till we found that out. There is still a citric made from lemons, but you have to find out for sure. Yes, lemon juice or even vinegar is fine. I've used both and they work good. Samala, -------Original Message------- I don't use citric acid anymore, I use lemon juice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Hi. Does the lemon have to be fresh? I usually buy pure organic bottled lemon juice and wondered if I could use that. Thanks for any help....Orrilia From: <gaiacita@...> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 2:52:58 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Mold In My Activator Yeah, best bet is to just make up a few days worth of citric, rather than a big bottle of it. Plus--people with corn allergies need to be aware that most citric they buy is no longer made from dehydrated lemon juice--it's actually from corn! Many people were getting sicker when using citric and couldn't figure out why, till we found that out. There is still a citric made from lemons, but you have to find out for sure. Yes, lemon juice or even vinegar is fine. I've used both and they work good. Samala, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 On 2010-07-21 2:57 PM, jr orrilia <dallas6568@...> wrote: > Hi. Does the lemon have to be fresh? Fresh is always best, but I think bottled/organic would be ok. I wouldn't use the regular commercial crap though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 I used the citric acid I bought from a top website selling mms here ProjectGreenLife also is where i got the mms I'm using.the activator came in a sealed silver pouch, after using some I used painters tape and folder it up and taped it and stored in a cool dry place. What is the difference between the two? I mean...mms being able to last 2-4 years and the activator (for some) going bad in two weeks..even if in the refrigerator? several months ago I ordered a 5 pound bag of citric acid (haven't used it yet) and would like to run it by you guys just to check as to its quality etc for mms activation. The label reads as follows:Citric Acid Anhydrous (Granular) 100% Purity - Food Grade USP/FCC Kosher(It is in a sealed heavy duty baggy like a ziplock and wrapped in a plastic bag tied off) Is this ok way to store it? and how long will this 5 pound bag stay good like this and is there a better way to store it?)I also bought Sodium Chlorite Flakes (Haven't used) yet. Label reads as follows:NACL02Sodium Chlorite, Anhydrous, FlakesActive Ingredient:Sodium Chlorite ....80%Other Ingredients ....20%Available Chlorine ....125%(It is sealed with a ps-22 liner in an HDPE container) website claims 30+ year shelf life..is this true? If so then wouldn't the citric acid crystals last longer in one of those containers?website I ordered the flakes is here 400 grams Sodium Chrolite Flakes (they used to sell the citric acid but i no longer see it)website i ordered the 5 pound citric acid is here 5 lbs citric acid crystals Also i should mention that I use the water from my Aquasana AQ- 4000 Water Filtration System when i make my activator. Can be viewed here Aquasana Should I only use Distilled Water, if so is the stuff you can find in a plastic gallon jug at any super market ok?Sorry for all the questions but after my sinus episode and the mold in the activator I realize that I wasn't as educated on this as much as i should have been and putting something in my body like this shouldn't be taken lightly. Thanks to everyone for your advice in advance.> >> > I really need some advice. I recently discovered that my mms activator (citric acid crystal mixture) had mold in it. The bottle said " Store at room temperature and away from sunlight" so i did just that. I have found no expiration date on this bottle so i had no idea as to how long the shelf life was/is. I estimate i mixed it up about 1 - 1.5 months ago and had used just part of it. The mms actually has a expiration date on it of 8/2011. > > > > I just am getting over a bad sinus infection which started about 2 weeks ago using only mms..I used the moldy activator not knowing it at the time when i fist started it for the sinus problem. It got so bad that at one point i was up all night sneezing uncontrollably, dripping, blowing and by the morning my tonsils were so inflamed they were actually sitting on the back of my tongue and every time i swallowed it was like i was trying to swallow my tonsils and i could barley speak. I suspect things only got this bad because of the mold in addition to whatever else first started my sinus problems.> > > > So can someone please tell me how best to prepare/store the mms and the activator so i don't repeat this again. I am refrigerating the mms (i don't know if i should) but not the activator because only the activator said to store at room temperature on the bottle. Is there a way to mix up less than one whole bottle of activator so it wont go to waste..as i cannot see mixing up a whole bottle of activator and using my crystals up only to have to pour most of it out because its molding up on me. Thanks> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Hello Premiergifts, Still am not sure why your citric acid solution grew mold. It looks like you are using the correct chemicals, and it sounds like you are doing the right things. If you would like to run a test you could mix up some citric acid solution from each batch of powder that you have and see if one molds and the other one doesn't. It is better and recommended to use distilled water when mixing up these chemicals. The distilled water in the plastic jugs is fine to use. The dry forms of these chemicals are very stable. Sodium chlorite is a salt. It will last about as long as table salt does. The key is to keep it dry and out of UV light. I have heard claims of beyond 50 years. Citric acid powder should also be very stable. Once you mix the powder into solutions, the reactions begin and the shelf life drops to 5 - 7 years. I guess the up side to all of this is that when you mix up a dose any mold in the citric acid will be killed by the chlorine dioxide... Tom > > I used the citric acid I bought from a top website selling mms here > ProjectGreenLife <http://www.projectgreenlife.com/jimsmms> also is > where i got the mms I'm using. > the activator came in a sealed silver pouch, after using some I used > painters tape and folder it up and taped it and stored in a cool dry > place. > > What is the difference between the two? I mean...mms being able to last > 2-4 years and the activator (for some) going bad in two weeks..even if > in the refrigerator? several months ago I ordered a 5 pound bag of > citric acid (haven't used it yet) and would like to run it by you guys > just to check as to its quality etc for mms activation. The label reads > as follows: > > Citric Acid Anhydrous (Granular) 100% Purity - Food Grade USP/FCC Kosher > (It is in a sealed heavy duty baggy like a ziplock and wrapped in a > plastic bag tied off) Is this ok way to store it? and how long will this > 5 pound bag stay good like this and is there a better way to store it?) > > I also bought Sodium Chlorite Flakes (Haven't used) yet. Label reads as > follows: > > NACL02 > Sodium Chlorite, Anhydrous, Flakes > > Active Ingredient: > Sodium Chlorite ....80% > Other Ingredients ....20% > Available Chlorine ....125% > > (It is sealed with a ps-22 liner in an HDPE container) website claims > 30+ year shelf life..is this true? If so then wouldn't the citric acid > crystals last longer in one of those containers? > > website I ordered the flakes is here 400 grams Sodium Chrolite Flakes > <http://www.purewaterforsurvival.com/1catalog.html> (they used to sell > the citric acid but i no longer see it) > website i ordered the 5 pound citric acid is here 5 lbs citric acid > crystals <http://www.dudadiesel.com/choose_item.php?id=5ca> > > Also i should mention that I use the water from my Aquasana AQ- 4000 > Water Filtration System when i make my activator. Can be viewed here > Aquasana <http://www.aquasana.com/category.php?category_id=1> Should I > only use Distilled Water, if so is the stuff you can find in a plastic > gallon jug at any super market ok? > > Sorry for all the questions but after my sinus episode and the mold in > the activator I realize that I wasn't as educated on this as much as i > should have been and putting something in my body like this shouldn't be > taken lightly. > > Thanks to everyone for your advice in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 HelloRegarding these mold/where to keep the MMS and activators/how much it lasts.There are 2 things: you have not opened bottles of both MMS and activator (citric acid) and those you opened.The question is: where to keep the non-opened and where the opened, both MMS and activator? and also how much time it is safe to keep those.Rennee (I think mentioned) MMS lasts for 2-4 years safely if kept at dark (in a drawer I guess); I assume this is for non-opened bottles. Tom says citric acid (UPC style - solid form?) non-opened lasted for 3 years now in his jar, room light/temperature.The mold you're talking about here is for opened citric acid bottles; those need to be kept in the fridge, but for how long? How about the opened MMS? Do we keep it in the fridge or in the drawer (away from light)? For how long it is safe to keep those?thanksFrom: silverfox_science <poast@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Mold In My Activator Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:14 PM Hello Premiergifts, This is reported from time to time, but I have never been able to duplicate it. I use UPC grade citric acid and mix it with distilled water. I have had samples in jars for a little over 3 years now, stored at room temperature, and still no mold. Cooler temperatures will slow down chemical reactions and mold growth, but I am trying to figure out why this happens in the first place... Some possibilities include, impurities in the citric acid powder, impurities in the water used for the mix, or a lot of mold spores in the environment. Stick it in the refrigerator and you may want to consider mixing up a smaller amount so that you use it up faster. Tom > > I really need some advice. I recently discovered that my mms activator (citric acid crystal mixture) had mold in it. The bottle said " Store at room temperature and away from sunlight" so i did just that. I have found no expiration date on this bottle so i had no idea as to how long the shelf life was/is. I estimate i mixed it up about 1 - 1.5 months ago and had used just part of it. The mms actually has a expiration date on it of 8/2011. > > I just am getting over a bad sinus infection which started about 2 weeks ago using only mms..I used the moldy activator not knowing it at the time when i fist started it for the sinus problem. It got so bad that at one point i was up all night sneezing uncontrollably, dripping, blowing and by the morning my tonsils were so inflamed they were actually sitting on the back of my tongue and every time i swallowed it was like i was trying to swallow my tonsils and i could barley speak. I suspect things only got this bad because of the mold in addition to whatever else first started my sinus problems. > > So can someone please tell me how best to prepare/store the mms and the activator so i don't repeat this again. I am refrigerating the mms (i don't know if i should) but not the activator because only the activator said to store at room temperature on the bottle. Is there a way to mix up less than one whole bottle of activator so it wont go to waste..as i cannot see mixing up a whole bottle of activator and using my crystals up only to have to pour most of it out because its molding up on me. Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Just like to report I haven't had any problem with mold in the 10% citric acid mix I use. I've been using from the same bottle for over a year; it's stored under the counter in the kitchen. I originally used distilled water from a home still to mix with the citric acid crystals. > > Hello > > Regarding these mold/where to keep the MMS and activators/how much it lasts. > > There are 2 things: you have not opened bottles of both MMS and activator (citric acid) and those you opened. > > The question is: where to keep the non-opened and where the opened, both MMS and activator? and also how much time it is safe to keep those. > > Rennee (I think mentioned) MMS lasts for 2-4 years safely if kept at dark (in a drawer I guess); I assume this is for non-opened bottles. Tom says citric acid (UPC style - solid form?) non-opened lasted for 3 years now in his jar, room light/temperature. > > The mold you're talking about here is for opened citric acid bottles; those need to be kept in the fridge, but for how long? How about the opened MMS? Do we keep it in the fridge or in the drawer (away from light)? For how long it is safe to keep those? > > thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 You'll just have to experiment with your citric. I've had mine (made from real lemons) last for 3 to 4 weeks in the fridge without any mold THAT I CAN SEE. Not to say there isn't any, but I don't THINK there is. When it was left out in the kitchen it spoiled in 2 weeks with mold floating on top. Hard to see through the green bottle, but I DID see a nice thick coating. Yuck. The MMS can be opened and so long as it is not exposed to direct sunlight (which will deactivate it in 1 hour) it will last 2 to 4 years. You can tell if it is still good by putting a drop of it and some acid together. If it turns slightly yellow and/or smells of chlorine, then the MMS is still good. If you put it in the fridge, where every time you open the door it is exposed to a 'flash' of light, it may only last the shorter amount of time. If kept in the dark in a cupboard or drawer or covered so the only light it 'sees' is when you use it, it will keep for the longer period of time. Dry sodium chlorite flakes will, if kept dry and dark, will keep for decades. Dry citric acid, if kept dry and dark, will keep for years. It's light and moisture that destroys. Samala, -- [ ] Re: Mold In My Activator Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:14 PM Hello Premiergifts,This is reported from time to time, but I have never been able to duplicate it.I use UPC grade citric acid and mix it with distilled water. I have had samples in jars for a little over 3 years now, stored at room temperature, and still no mold.Cooler temperatures will slow down chemical reactions and mold growth, but I am trying to figure out why this happens in the first place... Some possibilities include, impurities in the citric acid powder, impurities in the water used for the mix, or a lot of mold spores in the environment.Stick it in the refrigerator and you may want to consider mixing up a smaller amount so that you use it up faster.Tom>> I really need some advice. I recently discovered that my mms activator (citric acid crystal mixture) had mold in it. The bottle said " Store at room temperature and away from sunlight" so i did just that. I have found no expiration date on this bottle so i had no idea as to how long the shelf life was/is. I estimate i mixed it up about 1 - 1.5 months ago and had used just part of it. The mms actually has a expiration date on it of 8/2011. > > I just am getting over a bad sinus infection which started about 2 weeks ago using only mms..I used the moldy activator not knowing it at the time when i fist started it for the sinus problem. It got so bad that at one point i was up all night sneezing uncontrollably, dripping, blowing and by the morning my tonsils were so inflamed they were actually sitting on the back of my tongue and every time i swallowed it was like i was trying to swallow my tonsils and i could barley speak. I suspect things only got this bad because of the mold in addition to whatever else first started my sinus problems.> > So can someone please tell me how best to prepare/store the mms and the activator so i don't repeat this again. I am refrigerating the mms (i don't know if i should) but not the activator because only the activator said to store at room temperature on the bottle. Is there a way to mix up less than one whole bottle of activator so it wont go to waste..as i cannot see mixing up a whole bottle of activator and using my crystals up only to have to pour most of it out because its molding up on me. Thanks> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Hello Dacian, Dilute sodium chlorite solutions are used to control mold and mildew. I would be surprised to find any mold in the concentrated solution. These solutions are effected by UV light and heat. Thus the recommendation to store it in a cool place out of UV light. Citric acid also has disinfecting properties. That is why I am surprised to hear of mold growing in it. Oops, I incorrectly mentioned UPC citric acid. UPC is the bar code... I meant to say USP citric acid which is pharmaceutical grade that is very pure. It is also more expensive than bulk citric acid. I do a lot of testing with these chemicals and using the purer USP grade citric acid eliminates some variables. All of my " powders " are kept in HDPE opaque bottles with tight fitting lids. I mix up 500 ml batches of the chemicals and store them at room temperature in opaque 250 ml HDPE bottles. When traveling, room temperature ranges from 25 F to 140 F and humidity is all over the place. In a hot automobile when opening the lid you can sometimes catch a whiff of chlorine dioxide from the sodium chlorite solutions. If you have a bottle of acidified sodium chlorite you will get visible smoke coming out of the bottle when you remove the lid at warm temperatures. That is the chlorine dioxide gas escaping from the solution. 500 ml of these chemicals lasts me about a month, unless there are some special products that come up. At any rate, I have never been able to cultivate mold but it is possible that I am using the chemicals faster than the mold can grow. Still, I have some citric acid that has been stored for an extended period of time that is still mold free. I may have check with the chemical companies that supply citric acid to see what they have to say about mold growing in solutions of citric acid. Tom > > > > > > I really need some advice. I recently discovered that my mms activator (citric acid crystal mixture) had mold in it. The bottle said " Store at room temperature and away from sunlight " so i did just that. I have found no expiration date on this bottle so i had no idea as to how long the shelf life was/is. I estimate i mixed it up about 1 - 1.5 months ago and had used just part of it. The mms actually has a expiration date on it of 8/2011. > > > > > > I just am getting over a bad sinus infection which started about 2 weeks ago using only mms..I used the moldy activator not knowing it at the time when i fist started it for the sinus problem. It got so bad that at one point i was up all night sneezing uncontrollably, dripping, blowing and by the morning my tonsils were so inflamed they were actually sitting on the back of my tongue and every time i swallowed it was like i was trying to swallow my tonsils and i could barley speak. I suspect things only got this bad because of the mold in addition to whatever else first started my sinus problems. > > > > > > So can someone please tell me how best to prepare/store the mms and the activator so i don't repeat this again. I am refrigerating the mms (i don't know if i should) but not the activator because only the activator said to store at room temperature on the bottle. Is there a way to mix up less than one whole bottle of activator so it wont go to waste..as i cannot see mixing up a whole bottle of activator and using my crystals up only to have to pour most of it out because its molding up on me. Thanks > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 I also use distilled water and have had no long term problem with mold in the citric activator. Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 I'm very sorry if i double post this but im not sure i posted this right the firs time and i wanted to get your guys thoughts on this.I used the citric acid I bought from a top website selling mms here ProjectGreenLife also is where i got the mms I'm using.the activator came in a sealed silver pouch, after using some I used painters tape and folder it up and taped it and stored in a cool dry place. What is the difference between the two? I mean...mms being able to last 2-4 years and the activator (for some) going bad in two weeks..even if in the refrigerator? several months ago I ordered a 5 pound bag of citric acid (haven't used it yet) and would like to run it by you guys just to check as to its quality etc for mms activation. The label reads as follows:Citric Acid Anhydrous (Granular) 100% Purity - Food Grade USP/FCC Kosher(It is in a sealed heavy duty baggy like a ziplock and wrapped in a plastic bag tied off) Is this ok way to store it? and how long will this 5 pound bag stay good like this and is there a better way to store it?)I also bought Sodium Chlorite Flakes (Haven't used) yet. Label reads as follows:NACL02Sodium Chlorite, Anhydrous, FlakesActive Ingredient:Sodium Chlorite ....80%Other Ingredients ....20%Available Chlorine ....125%(It is sealed with a ps-22 liner in an HDPE container) website claims 30+ year shelf life..is this true? If so then wouldn't the citric acid crystals last longer in one of those containers?website I ordered the flakes is here 400 grams Sodium Chrolite Flakes (they used to sell the citric acid but i no longer see it)website i ordered the 5 pound citric acid is here 5 lbs citric acid crystals Also i should mention that I use the water from my Aquasana AQ- 4000 Water Filtration System when i make my activator. Can be viewed here Aquasana Should I only use Distilled Water, if so is the stuff you can find in a plastic gallon jug at any super market ok?Sorry for all the questions but after my sinus episode and the mold in the activator I realize that I wasn't as educated on this as much as i should have been and putting something in my body like this shouldn't be taken lightly. Thanks to everyone for your advice in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 When I got my 28% from a seller in okla, one who had been selling it for 20 years, he tossed in many bottles of activator...half dozen maybe. All but one bottle got floaties, not dark mold, just the floating kinda scum. The remaining clean bottle I put in the fidge, over a year now and still clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 I would also only used distilled. Store bought brands work fine around here. I get mine at either wal mart or Walgreens. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Such a fuss being made over the activator... Personally, I've been happy using apple cider vinegar as an activator. For those convinced that citric acid is the way to go, use DISTILLED WATER. Refrigeration is a good idea. If you still have a mold problem. MAKE A FRESH BATCH periodically. How hard is that? And as always, keep your powders dry. Chuck A distraught senior citizen phoned her doctor's office. 'Is it true,' she wanted to know, 'that the medication you prescribed has to be taken for the rest of my life? ' 'Yes, I'm afraid so,' the doctor told her . There was a moment of silence before the senior lady replied, 'I'm wondering, then, just how serious is my condition because this prescription is marked 'NO REFILLS'.' On 7/23/2010 11:25:07 AM, premiergifts (premiergifts@...) wrote: > I'm very sorry if i double post this but im not sure i posted this right the firs time and i wanted to get your guys thoughts on this. > > > I used the citric acid I bought from a top website selling mms here ProjectGreenLife [link: www.projectgreenlife.com/jimsmms] also is where i got the mms I'm > using. > the activator came in a sealed silver pouch, after using some I used > painters tape and folder it up and taped it and stored in a cool dry place. > > > What is the difference between the two? I mean...mms being able to last 2- > 4 years and the activator (for some) going bad in two weeks..even if in the > refrigerator? several months ago I ordered a 5 pound bag of citric acid > (haven't used it yet) and would like to run it by you guys just to check as to its quality etc for mms activation. The label reads as follows: > > Citric Acid Anhydrous (Granular) 100% Purity - Food Grade USP/FCC Kosher > (It is in a sealed heavy duty baggy like a ziplock and wrapped in a plastic bag tied off) Is this ok way to store it? and how long will this 5 pound bag stay good like this and is there a better way to store it?) > > I also bought Sodium Chlorite Flakes (Haven't > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 i use KANGEN WATER. it's filtered and it's high PH[9.5] water. do you or anyone know if this is ok. i've been using this for over 6 months now? From: palulukon <palulukon@...> Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 10:26:49 AMSubject: RE: [ ] RE: Mold In My Activator I would also only used distilled. Store bought brands work fine around here. I get mine at either wal mart or Walgreens. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 I never have this issue.... but I always use USP grade citric acid, (not food grade) and I sterilize all my bottles, and I use only distilled water. I live in Florida and it gets hot here. Now I make MMS up 30 gallons at a time, but I make the activator up no more than a gallon extra at a time. Anyway, I have been selling 50% exclusively for at least 3 months... I found a quart bottle of 10% Citric acid, that had been opened in my warehouse on a shelf, no A/C.... no mold. I have never had any batch of C.A. mold, or had a complaint. I sell 32 oz bottles of activator also. I think sterilizing the bottles has a lot to do with it. When I order bottles, they have dust and all kinds of crap in them, plus HDPE and PET have an oily film. If you don't make sure the bottles and caps are clean to start with, it's a lost cause. Also USP grade is very clean and pure. Avoid any citric acid that isn't white. The material you start with and the care you take makes a big difference in finished product. For instance, this barrel of NaClO2 I'm trying to get to Jim doesn't heat up when you add water, because my sodium chlorite has no lye in it. I use that particular lot of sodium chlorite exlusively when I make Keavy's Brand MMS, and I use only USP grade Acid for Keavy's MMS activator. I have flakes that I sell wholesale, and I also carry a yellowish low grade CA for industrial, and water pH applications for livestock. It's getting harder to source good product, and China and other countries are really flooding and heavily advertising. I get mail every day from China, that I never solicited, trying to sell me a myriad of chemicals. I know one site, that makes claims that their product is better because they use 90% NaClO2, and base the claim on the fact that it is purer, when in fact it is from china, and the chlorate and lye percentage is very high, the table salt (chloride) content is low, and it is very unstable. While it may be purer, it is much dirtier, and unfortunately not everyone understands the inert ingredients or disregards them entirely. The same thing happens with Citric Acid, people see an attractive price on Citric acid, and so they buy it, but dont stop to consider the microbial count, moisture content, and other factors. USP grade is guaranteed to be made to a certain standard that industrial grade and even food grade don't have to meet. It can contain no impurites, or microbal activity, it contains 0% moisture, and comes vacuum sealed. So I guess what I'm saying is that if you have microbal activity in your activator after a short time, odds are it was present from day one that it was made. Refrigerator is a good idea. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 hi, can i activate 20 drops of mms and sip on it for a couple of days to kill my strong cold? how long does a 20[mms] drop mixture last? From: Steve Pardee <keavyscorner@...> Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 9:58:43 PMSubject: [ ] Re: Mold In My Activator I never have this issue....but I always use USP grade citric acid, (not food grade) and I sterilize all my bottles, and I use only distilled water.I live in Florida and it gets hot here.Now I make MMS up 30 gallons at a time, but I make the activator up no more than a gallon extra at a time.Anyway, I have been selling 50% exclusively for at least 3 months...I found a quart bottle of 10% Citric acid, that had been opened in my warehouse on a shelf, no A/C.... no mold. I have never had any batch of C.A. mold, or had a complaint. I sell 32 oz bottles of activator also.I think sterilizing the bottles has a lot to do with it.When I order bottles, they have dust and all kinds of crap in them, plus HDPE and PET have an oily film. If you don't make sure the bottles and caps are clean to start with, it's a lost cause. Also USP grade is very clean and pure. Avoid any citric acid that isn't white.The material you start with and the care you take makes a big difference in finished product.For instance, this barrel of NaClO2 I'm trying to get to Jim doesn't heat up when you add water, because my sodium chlorite has no lye in it. I use that particular lot of sodium chlorite exlusively when I make Keavy's Brand MMS, and I use only USP grade Acid for Keavy's MMS activator.I have flakes that I sell wholesale, and I also carry a yellowish low grade CA for industrial, and water pH applications for livestock.It's getting harder to source good product, and China and other countries are really flooding and heavily advertising. I get mail every day from China, that I never solicited, trying to sell me a myriad of chemicals.I know one site, that makes claims that their product is better because they use 90% NaClO2, and base the claim on the fact that it is purer, when in fact it is from china, and the chlorate and lye percentage is very high, the table salt (chloride) content is low, and it is very unstable. While it may be purer, it is much dirtier, and unfortunately not everyone understands the inert ingredients or disregards them entirely.The same thing happens with Citric Acid, people see an attractive price on Citric acid, and so they buy it, but dont stop to consider the microbial count, moisture content, and other factors.USP grade is guaranteed to be made to a certain standard that industrial grade and even food grade don't have to meet. It can contain no impurites, or microbal activity, it contains 0% moisture, and comes vacuum sealed.So I guess what I'm saying is that if you have microbal activity in your activator after a short time, odds are it was present from day one that it was made.Refrigerator is a good idea.Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Since you have the Kangen machine ( I do too), I would use the 2.5 water as it is very acidic and works just fine. I am using it for mine. You want an acid water for making the citric acid solution. > > i use KANGEN WATER. it's filtered and it's high PH[9.5] water. do you or anyone > know if this is ok. i've been using this for over 6 months now? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: palulukon palulukon@... > > Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 10:26:49 AM > Subject: RE: [ ] RE: Mold In My Activator > >  > I would also only used distilled. Store bought brands work fine around here. > I get mine at either wal mart or Walgreens. > rose > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Hello , With PH 2.5 water, you don't need citric acid. Just add the acid water to the sodium chlorite. It will do a great job of activating it. Tom > > Since you have the Kangen machine ( I do too), I would use the 2.5 water > as it is very acidic and works just fine. I am using it for mine. You > want an acid water for making the citric acid solution. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Steve Likewise I have never had this problem. I live in the south also, but I refrigerated my sodium chlorite and citric acid, using amber glass bottles and a cotton bag to keep the light out when opening the door. Also using sterile bottles and distilled water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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