Re: please put MMS5 instructions in the group files.

[Guest guest]

Hello Ivan,

The 5% solution is actually a 6.25% by weight solution. For example to make 100

ml of this solution you would put 6.25 grams of sodium chlorite powder into a

measuring glass and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml. You end up with

100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite.

The dilution of 22.4% to 5% is done by simply adding distilled water. For

example to make 100 ml of 5% from 22.4% you would put 22 ml into the measuring

container and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml.

The activation of sodium chlorite with citric acid depends upon the strength of

the citric acid.

When using citric acid powder, the ratio is 10:1. That means for every 10 parts

of sodium chlorite solution you have, you add 1 part citric acid powder.

When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 5:1. That means that for every 5 parts

of sodium chlorite solution you have, you add 1 part 50% citric acid.

When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That means that for every 1 part

of sodium chlorite solution you have, you add 1 part 10% citric acid.

The optimum activation time is 10 minutes.

The use of these chemicals is where things get difficult. You need to first

determine the concentration needed to kill whatever you are after, then you can

mix up a solution that has that concentration.

The concentration of the sodium chlorite is directly related to its strength.

For example the 22.4% concentration has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide.

The 5% concentration has 50000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. Testing has been

done to determine the concentrations needed to kill many of the pathogens in

water and on hard surfaces. There is no test data for internal use.

Here are some typical examples.

To kill Staph on counters you need 30 PPM. To make 1 liter of 30 PPM you would

use 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite. However, to release all of the available

chlorine dioxide from the available chlorine dioxide, you would use a different

acid to activate. In this case HCl would be used. Getting back to killing

Staph, to make 1 liter of 30 PPM using the 22.4% concentration of sodium

chlorite you would use 0.22 ml.

If you want to kill Candida, you need 100 PPM.

With Hepatitis C, you need 1000 PPM.

Now, this is where the science comes in. There are many ways to activate sodium

chlorite, and each way ends up with something a little different. The goal is

to kill off the pathogens, and leave no residue. Since that is usually

impossible to do, we settle for the next best thing of reducing the pathogens to

a level where they are no longer a threat and try to keep the by products at a

minimum.

This is why only low concentrations of chlorine dioxide are used for water

treatment. Studies have shown that chlorine dioxide quickly breaks down to

chlorite, and chlorite can damage the body. By limiting the amount of chlorine

dioxide added to the water, the chlorite is also limited. This requires

additional treatment steps for the water, but it comes out safe to drink. Water

treatment is usually done at somewhere around 2 PPM.

Acidified sodium chlorite has a very small amount of chlorine dioxide associated

with it, but the chlorous acid is a very strong biostat. In food processing the

chlorine dioxide kills off surface pathogens, then the chlorous acid goes to

work stabilizing the growth of bacteria on the food. Different methods of

activation and different materials used for activation result in differing

performance. If you are a sport fisherman and are only out for the day, a

simple spray is all you need. If you are a commercial fisherman and want to

extend you trip from 7 days out to 16 days out, the process becomes more

involved.

The rules of oxidation are simple. Identify the pathogen. Determine the

strength of the oxidant needed to kill the pathogen and the amount of time it

needs to be in contact with the pathogen. Deliver the oxidant in a way that it

makes contact with the pathogen in a concentration and for a time high enough to

kill it.

Unfortunately, there are no studies involving humans ingesting acidified sodium

chlorite. With chlorine dioxide, studies have been done and it was found that

it is safe to ingest a concentration of 5 PPM for 12 weeks, or a single dose of

24 PPM.

Tom

>

> Hi Tom and group

> Could you please put in the permeant group FILES the SIMPLE

> Instructions of how to mix and use MMS5.

> Please include instructions for mixing from regular MMS in a bottle from

> disturbers and from flakes.

> AND instruction on how to mix activator to go with it.

> (I am presuming the activator would also be less stronger.)

> AND the suggested drop usage with AND without activator.

>

> Having it in the files would make it VERY easy to find, by any group

> member.

>

> Thanks for all your help.

> From a guy that rarely posts and reads the daily post.

> Ivan Olsen , CA

>

[Guest guest]

Tom,

Can you also post the other non human uses for MMS, or AMMS? I

am leaving my home for a few days and want to set out the disinfecting

amounts, the one where you need to air the house out afterwards.

A few Q's. Does this effect plants, fish, or other pets or do they need to be

removed? Also, can the different solutions and ways to use and mix them

be made into a chart or graph to hang on the fridge? Just thinking out

loud.

AND, I offered to PLEASE moderate this group weeks ago. I have also

been here from the beginning, and have gotten individual attacking emails

from things I have posted here. Fortunately, I am not afraid to hit the

delete button

Kathy

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The 5% solution is actually a 6.25% by weight solution. For example to make 100 ml of this solution you would put 6.25 grams of sodium chlorite powder into a measuring glass and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml. You end up with 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite.The dilution of 22.4% to 5% is done by simply adding distilled water. For example to make 100 ml of 5% from 22.4% you would put 22 ml into the measuring container and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml. The activation of sodium chlorite with citric acid depends upon the strength of the citric acid.When using citric acid powder, the ratio is 10:1. That means for every 10 parts of sodium chlorite solution you have, you add 1 part citric acid powder.When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 5:1. That means that for every 5 parts of sodium chlorite solution you have, you add 1 part 50% citric acid.When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That means that for every 1 part of sodium chlorite solution you have, you add 1 part 10% citric acid.The optimum activation time is 10 minutes.The use of these chemicals is where things get difficult. You need to first determine the concentration needed to kill whatever you are after, then you can mix up a solution that has that concentration.The concentration of the sodium chlorite is directly related to its strength. For example the 22.4% concentration has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. The 5% concentration has 50000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. Testing has been done to determine the concentrations needed to kill many of the pathogens in water and on hard surfaces. There is no test data for internal use.Here are some typical examples.To kill Staph on counters you need 30 PPM. To make 1 liter of 30 PPM you would use 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite. However, to release all of the available chlorine dioxide from the available chlorine dioxide, you would use a different acid to activate. In this case HCl would be used. Getting back to killing Staph, to make 1 liter of 30 PPM using the 22.4% concentration of sodium chlorite you would use 0.22 ml.If you want to kill Candida, you need 100 PPM. With Hepatitis C, you need 1000 PPM.Now, this is where the science comes in. There are many ways to activate sodium chlorite, and each way ends up with something a little different. The goal is to kill off the pathogens, and leave no residue. Since that is usually impossible to do, we settle for the next best thing of reducing the pathogens to a level where they are no longer a threat and try to keep the by products at a minimum.This is why only low concentrations of chlorine dioxide are used for water treatment. Studies have shown that chlorine dioxide quickly breaks down to chlorite, and chlorite can damage the body. By limiting the amount of chlorine dioxide added to the water, the chlorite is also limited. This requires additional treatment steps for the water, but it comes out safe to drink. Water treatment is usually done at somewhere around 2 PPM.Acidified sodium chlorite has a very small amount of chlorine dioxide associated with it, but the chlorous acid is a very strong biostat. In food processing the chlorine dioxide kills off surface pathogens, then the chlorous acid goes to work stabilizing the growth of bacteria on the food. Different methods of activation and different materials used for activation result in differing performance. If you are a sport fisherman and are only out for the day, a simple spray is all you need. If you are a commercial fisherman and want to extend you trip from 7 days out to 16 days out, the process becomes more involved.The rules of oxidation are simple. Identify the pathogen. Determine the strength of the oxidant needed to kill the pathogen and the amount of time it needs to be in contact with the pathogen. Deliver the oxidant in a way that it makes contact with the pathogen in a concentration and for a time high enough to kill it.Unfortunately, there are no studies involving humans ingesting acidified sodium chlorite. With chlorine dioxide, studies have been done and it was found that it is safe to ingest a concentration of 5 PPM for 12 weeks, or a single dose of 24 PPM.Tom

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Tom,

>

>

> Can you also post the other non human uses for MMS, or AMMS? I

>

>

> am leaving my home for a few days and want to set out the disinfecting

>

>

> amounts, the one where you need to air the house out afterwards.

>

>

> A few Q's. Does this effect plants, fish, or other pets or do they need to be

>

>

> removed? Also, can the different solutions and ways to use and mix them

>

>

> be made into a chart or graph to hang on the fridge? Just thinking out

>

>

> loud.

>

>

>

>

> AND, I offered to PLEASE moderate this group weeks ago. I have also

>

>

> been here from the beginning, and have gotten individual attacking emails

>

>

> from things I have posted here. Fortunately, I am not afraid to hit the

>

>

> delete button

>

>

>

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

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>

> The 5% solution is actually a 6.25% by weight solution. For example to make

100 ml of this solution you would put 6.25 grams of sodium chlorite powder into

a measuring glass and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml. You end up

with 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite.

>

> The dilution of 22.4% to 5% is done by simply adding distilled water. For

example to make 100 ml of 5% from 22.4% you would put 22 ml into the measuring

container and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml.

>

> The activation of sodium chlorite with citric acid depends upon the strength

of the citric acid.

>

> When using citric acid powder, the ratio is 10:1. That means for every 10

parts of sodium chlorite solution you have, you add 1 part citric acid powder.

>

> When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 5:1. That means that for every 5

parts of sodium chlorite solution you have, you add 1 part 50% citric acid.

>

> When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That means that for every 1 part

of sodium chlorite solution you have, you add 1 part 10% citric acid.

>

> The optimum activation time is 10 minutes.

>

> The use of these chemicals is where things get difficult. You need to first

determine the concentration needed to kill whatever you are after, then you can

mix up a solution that has that concentration.

>

> The concentration of the sodium chlorite is directly related to its strength.

For example the 22.4% concentration has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide.

The 5% concentration has 50000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. Testing has been

done to determine the concentrations needed to kill many of the pathogens in

water and on hard surfaces. There is no test data for internal use.

>

> Here are some typical examples.

>

> To kill Staph on counters you need 30 PPM. To make 1 liter of 30 PPM you would

use 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite. However, to release all of the available

chlorine dioxide from the available chlorine dioxide, you would use a different

acid to activate. In this case HCl would be used. Getting back to killing Staph,

to make 1 liter of 30 PPM using the 22.4% concentration of sodium chlorite you

would use 0.22 ml.

>

> If you want to kill Candida, you need 100 PPM.

>

> With Hepatitis C, you need 1000 PPM.

>

> Now, this is where the science comes in. There are many ways to activate

sodium chlorite, and each way ends up with something a little different. The

goal is to kill off the pathogens, and leave no residue. Since that is usually

impossible to do, we settle for the next best thing of reducing the pathogens to

a level where they are no longer a threat and try to keep the by products at a

minimum.

>

> This is why only low concentrations of chlorine dioxide are used for water

treatment. Studies have shown that chlorine dioxide quickly breaks down to

chlorite, and chlorite can damage the body. By limiting the amount of chlorine

dioxide added to the water, the chlorite is also limited. This requires

additional treatment steps for the water, but it comes out safe to drink. Water

treatment is usually done at somewhere around 2 PPM.

>

> Acidified sodium chlorite has a very small amount of chlorine dioxide

associated with it, but the chlorous acid is a very strong biostat. In food

processing the chlorine dioxide kills off surface pathogens, then the chlorous

acid goes to work stabilizing the growth of bacteria on the food. Different

methods of activation and different materials used for activation result in

differing performance. If you are a sport fisherman and are only out for the

day, a simple spray is all you need. If you are a commercial fisherman and want

to extend you trip from 7 days out to 16 days out, the process becomes more

involved.

>

> The rules of oxidation are simple. Identify the pathogen. Determine the

strength of the oxidant needed to kill the pathogen and the amount of time it

needs to be in contact with the pathogen. Deliver the oxidant in a way that it

makes contact with the pathogen in a concentration and for a time high enough to

kill it.

>

> Unfortunately, there are no studies involving humans ingesting acidified

sodium chlorite. With chlorine dioxide, studies have been done and it was found

that it is safe to ingest a concentration of 5 PPM for 12 weeks, or a single

dose of 24 PPM.

>

> Tom

>

[Guest guest]

A few Q's. Does this effect plants, fish, or other pets or do

they need to be removed?

Kathy

I

don’t know about fish tanks but I do recall he said pets needed a ‘breather’.

Don’t know about plants.

was working on an ‘easy guide’ few weeks ago…had some special

animal issues of her own that took her attention. Maybe she will get back to

her easy primer. She does that so well. Don’t know if she planned to

include non human uses. I’ll ck my files when I get a chance and pick

out the non human uses I have collected so far.

rose

[Guest guest]

I was gathering a lot of the SC information, but when everything heated up here, and got so nasty, I just quit. No sense in coming out with info if it's simply going to be bashed to smithereens. Now that things are calm again I will finish the file and put it in the file section and send a notice to everyone.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

was working on an ‘easy guide’ few weeks ago…had some special animal issues of her own that took her attention. Maybe she will get back to her easy primer. She does that so well. Don’t know if she planned to include non human uses. I’ll ck my files when I get a chance and pick out the non human uses I have collected so far.

[Guest guest]

Now that things are calm again

I will finish the file and put it in the file section and send a notice to

everyone.

Samala,

That’s

great . Hubby asked Tom about using ASC to clean radiators and heater

cores in vehicles and hot water tanks. Do you want to include that in your

file, if so I’ll forward to you, or would you rather I start a non human

use file of what I have so far?

rose

[Guest guest]

Send it to me as I was doing a non-health file too.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

That’s great . Hubby asked Tom about using ASC to clean radiators and heater cores in vehicles and hot water tanks. Do you want to include that in your file, if so I’ll forward to you, or would you rather I start a non human use file of what I have so far?

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom, I have to confess I am still somewhat bemused by the MMS thing but am

trying hard! I have a 28% solution of sodium chlorite (MMS) and I am assuming -

a 10% already mixed solution of citric acid. I have herpes zoster (shingles) of

the 'stabbing' pain variety i.e. there are no visible lesions at this time. The

question I have is: how many drops would it take to kill or control this virus

as it is driving me mad at the moment. I used to use lysine and colloidal

silver but that is not working. Do I use - say - two or three drops every two

hours on a 1.1 ratio? I am assuming the citric acid I have is the 10% variety

as it came with instructions to use 5 citric acid to 1 MMS. as per JH's

protocol. I have decided I would rather go your way than the JH way at this

time. Many thanks. dee

On 20 Aug 2010, at 20:21, silverfox_science wrote:

>

> Hello Ivan,

>

> The 5% solution is actually a 6.25% by weight solution. For example to make

100 ml of this solution you would put 6.25 grams of sodium chlorite powder into

a measuring glass and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml. You end up

with 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite.

>

> The dilution of 22.4% to 5% is done by simply adding distilled water. For

example to make 100 ml of 5% from 22.4% you would put 22 ml into the measuring

container and add enough water to make a total of 100 ml.

>

> The activation of sodium chlorite with citric acid depends upon the strength

of the citric acid.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Dee,

It would probably be a good idea to continue with the colloidal silver, but you

may find a bath more beneficial than ingesting the oxidizer.

The bath solution is made by using 5% sodium chlorite and 6% hydrochloric acid.

You will have to measure the amount of water that goes into your bath, but for

every liter of water you will be adding 0.3 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and 0.3 ml

of 6% HCl.

Muriatic acid can be found in a building supply store. It is HCl at somewhere

around 32%. If it is 32% you can dilute it down to 6% by putting 18.75 ml of

the 32% HCl into a measuring device and add enough distilled water to make a

total of 100 ml.

Measure the amount of water you put into the tub. Mix up the chemicals. Add

them to the tub water and take a bath.

For example...

If your tub holds 70 liters of water you would add the water to the tub.

I need to digress here and mention that I am expecting you to use hot water. I

had one person think that you had to use cold water and the bathing experience

was " less than pleasurable... "

OK, now you have 70 liters of water in the tub. Next you need to mix your

chemicals. In a glass put 21 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and add 21 ml of 6% HCl.

Assuming you mix this in the kitchen, by the time you walk to the bathroom the

solution will be activated and you simply pour it into the bath water.

Jump into the bath and enjoy it.

If you have a septic tank, you will have to neutralize the bath before dumping

it. You can use Fruit Fresh for this. Add 4 tablespoons of Fruit Fresh to the

bath and stir to mix it in. Let it sit for 5 minutes, then drain.

If you are on city sewer, just dump the bath water.

The safety issue with this is that you will be exposed to chlorine dioxide

fumes. If you notice respiratory distress in any way you will need to get out

of the bathroom and get into fresh air. With a bathroom fan running, this

should not be a problem, but everyone is different. I always recommend having

someone around when you do this. They can pop their head into the bathroom and

take a sniff of the air. There should only be a slight odor. If it is strong,

you need more ventilation. This is only an issue during the first 5 minutes.

I expect you to be in the bath for at least 20 minutes. Feel free to linger

longer if you wish.

Some people have found relief in a single bath. Others have taken a daily bath

for a week before finding relief.

Keep in mind that a week of oxidizing baths puts a lot of stress on the body.

You will need to have a diet rich in antioxidants and it will also have to be

well balanced. A little extra vitamin C and some probiotics will also help keep

things balanced.

The bath water will have a concentration of 9 PPM free chlorine dioxide when you

start. After 20 minutes, the CT will be 180. This is not enough to completely

eliminate all of the virus, but it is enough to knock it way down. At this

point your bodies immune system will take over.

If your immune system is not as strong as it should be, you may have to take a

bath a week for a few months as your immune system recovers.

Tom

--- In , Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Tom, I have to confess I am still somewhat bemused by the MMS thing but am

trying hard! I have a 28% solution of sodium chlorite (MMS) and I am assuming -

a 10% already mixed solution of citric acid. I have herpes zoster (shingles) of

the 'stabbing' pain variety i.e. there are no visible lesions at this time. The

question I have is: how many drops would it take to kill or control this virus

as it is driving me mad at the moment. I used to use lysine and colloidal

silver but that is not working. Do I use - say - two or three drops every two

hours on a 1.1 ratio? I am assuming the citric acid I have is the 10% variety

as it came with instructions to use 5 citric acid to 1 MMS. as per JH's

protocol. I have decided I would rather go your way than the JH way at this

time. Many thanks. dee

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this Tom - I hope I can do this! dee

On 23 Aug 2010, at 17:35, silverfox_science wrote:

>

> Hello Dee,

>

> It would probably be a good idea to continue with the colloidal silver, but

you may find a bath more beneficial than ingesting the oxidizer.

>

> The bath solution is made by using 5% sodium chlorite and 6% hydrochloric

acid. You will have to measure the amount of water that goes into your bath,

but for every liter of water you will be adding 0.3 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and

0.3 ml of 6% HCl.

>

> Muriatic acid can be found in a building supply store. It is HCl at somewhere

around 32%. If it is 32% you can dilute it down to 6% by putting 18.75 ml of

the 32% HCl into a measuring device and add enough distilled water to make a

total of 100 ml.

>

> Measure the amount of water you put into the tub. Mix up the chemicals. Add

them to the tub water and take a bath.

>

> For example...

>

> If your tub holds 70 liters of water you would add the water to the tub.

>

> I need to digress here and mention that I am expecting you to use hot water.

I had one person think that you had to use cold water and the bathing experience

was " less than pleasurable... "

>

> OK, now you have 70 liters of water in the tub. Next you need to mix your

chemicals. In a glass put 21 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and add 21 ml of 6% HCl.

Assuming you mix this in the kitchen, by the time you walk to the bathroom the

solution will be activated and you simply pour it into the bath water.

>

> Jump into the bath and enjoy it.

>

> If you have a septic tank, you will have to neutralize the bath before dumping

it. You can use Fruit Fresh for this. Add 4 tablespoons of Fruit Fresh to the

bath and stir to mix it in. Let it sit for 5 minutes, then drain.

>

> If you are on city sewer, just dump the bath water.

>

> The safety issue with this is that you will be exposed to chlorine dioxide

fumes. If you notice respiratory distress in any way you will need to get out

of the bathroom and get into fresh air. With a bathroom fan running, this

should not be a problem, but everyone is different. I always recommend having

someone around when you do this. They can pop their head into the bathroom and

take a sniff of the air. There should only be a slight odor. If it is strong,

you need more ventilation. This is only an issue during the first 5 minutes.

>

> I expect you to be in the bath for at least 20 minutes. Feel free to linger

longer if you wish.

>

> Some people have found relief in a single bath. Others have taken a daily

bath for a week before finding relief.

>

> Keep in mind that a week of oxidizing baths puts a lot of stress on the body.

You will need to have a diet rich in antioxidants and it will also have to be

well balanced. A little extra vitamin C and some probiotics will also help keep

things balanced.

>

> The bath water will have a concentration of 9 PPM free chlorine dioxide when

you start. After 20 minutes, the CT will be 180. This is not enough to

completely eliminate all of the virus, but it is enough to knock it way down.

At this point your bodies immune system will take over.

>

> If your immune system is not as strong as it should be, you may have to take a

bath a week for a few months as your immune system recovers.

>

> Tom

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

how exactly does one take a bath with mms?

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@...> Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 10:33:52 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Re: please put MMS5 instructions in the group files.

Thank you for this Tom - I hope I can do this! deeOn 23 Aug 2010, at 17:35, silverfox_science wrote:> > Hello Dee,> > It would probably be a good idea to continue with the colloidal silver, but you may find a bath more beneficial than ingesting the oxidizer.> > The bath solution is made by using 5% sodium chlorite and 6% hydrochloric acid. You will have to measure the amount of water that goes into your bath, but for every liter of water you will be adding 0.3 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and 0.3 ml of 6% HCl.> > Muriatic acid can be found in a building supply store. It is HCl at somewhere around 32%. If it is 32% you can dilute it down to 6% by putting 18.75 ml of the 32% HCl into a measuring device and add enough distilled water to make a total of 100 ml.> > Measure the amount of water you put into the tub. Mix up the chemicals. Add them to the tub water and take a

bath.> > For example...> > If your tub holds 70 liters of water you would add the water to the tub. > > I need to digress here and mention that I am expecting you to use hot water. I had one person think that you had to use cold water and the bathing experience was "less than pleasurable..."> > OK, now you have 70 liters of water in the tub. Next you need to mix your chemicals. In a glass put 21 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and add 21 ml of 6% HCl. Assuming you mix this in the kitchen, by the time you walk to the bathroom the solution will be activated and you simply pour it into the bath water.> > Jump into the bath and enjoy it.> > If you have a septic tank, you will have to neutralize the bath before dumping it. You can use Fruit Fresh for this. Add 4 tablespoons of Fruit Fresh to the bath and stir to mix it in. Let it sit for 5 minutes, then drain. > > If

you are on city sewer, just dump the bath water.> > The safety issue with this is that you will be exposed to chlorine dioxide fumes. If you notice respiratory distress in any way you will need to get out of the bathroom and get into fresh air. With a bathroom fan running, this should not be a problem, but everyone is different. I always recommend having someone around when you do this. They can pop their head into the bathroom and take a sniff of the air. There should only be a slight odor. If it is strong, you need more ventilation. This is only an issue during the first 5 minutes.> > I expect you to be in the bath for at least 20 minutes. Feel free to linger longer if you wish.> > Some people have found relief in a single bath. Others have taken a daily bath for a week before finding relief.> > Keep in mind that a week of oxidizing baths puts a lot of stress on the body. You will need to have a

diet rich in antioxidants and it will also have to be well balanced. A little extra vitamin C and some probiotics will also help keep things balanced.> > The bath water will have a concentration of 9 PPM free chlorine dioxide when you start. After 20 minutes, the CT will be 180. This is not enough to completely eliminate all of the virus, but it is enough to knock it way down. At this point your bodies immune system will take over.> > If your immune system is not as strong as it should be, you may have to take a bath a week for a few months as your immune system recovers.> > Tom> > >

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Put water into the tub, add chemicals, get in a soak for awhile, lather up,

rinse off, and get out.

It is just like a regular bath, but there are some additional chemicals and a

soak time involved.

Tom

>

> >

> > Hello Dee,

> >

> > It would probably be a good idea to continue with the colloidal silver, but

you

> >may find a bath more beneficial than ingesting the oxidizer.

> >

> > The bath solution is made by using 5% sodium chlorite and 6% hydrochloric

acid.

> >You will have to measure the amount of water that goes into your bath, but

for

> >every liter of water you will be adding 0.3 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and 0.3

ml

> >of 6% HCl.

> >

> > Muriatic acid can be found in a building supply store. It is HCl at

somewhere

> >around 32%. If it is 32% you can dilute it down to 6% by putting 18.75 ml of

the

> >32% HCl into a measuring device and add enough distilled water to make a

total

> >of 100 ml.

> >

> > Measure the amount of water you put into the tub. Mix up the chemicals. Add

> >them to the tub water and take a bath.

> >

> > For example...

> >

> > If your tub holds 70 liters of water you would add the water to the tub.

> >

> > I need to digress here and mention that I am expecting you to use hot water.

I

> >had one person think that you had to use cold water and the bathing

experience

> >was " less than pleasurable... "

> >

> > OK, now you have 70 liters of water in the tub. Next you need to mix your

> >chemicals. In a glass put 21 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and add 21 ml of 6%

HCl.

> >Assuming you mix this in the kitchen, by the time you walk to the bathroom

the

> >solution will be activated and you simply pour it into the bath water.

> >

> > Jump into the bath and enjoy it.

> >

> > If you have a septic tank, you will have to neutralize the bath before

dumping

> >it. You can use Fruit Fresh for this. Add 4 tablespoons of Fruit Fresh to the

> >bath and stir to mix it in. Let it sit for 5 minutes, then drain.

> >

> >

> > If you are on city sewer, just dump the bath water.

> >

> > The safety issue with this is that you will be exposed to chlorine dioxide

> >fumes. If you notice respiratory distress in any way you will need to get out

of

> >the bathroom and get into fresh air. With a bathroom fan running, this should

> >not be a problem, but everyone is different. I always recommend having

someone

> >around when you do this. They can pop their head into the bathroom and take a

> >sniff of the air. There should only be a slight odor. If it is strong, you

need

> >more ventilation. This is only an issue during the first 5 minutes.

> >

> > I expect you to be in the bath for at least 20 minutes. Feel free to linger

> >longer if you wish.

> >

> > Some people have found relief in a single bath. Others have taken a daily

bath

> >for a week before finding relief.

> >

> > Keep in mind that a week of oxidizing baths puts a lot of stress on the

body.

> >You will need to have a diet rich in antioxidants and it will also have to be

> >well balanced. A little extra vitamin C and some probiotics will also help

keep

> >things balanced.

> >

> > The bath water will have a concentration of 9 PPM free chlorine dioxide when

> >you start. After 20 minutes, the CT will be 180. This is not enough to

> >completely eliminate all of the virus, but it is enough to knock it way down.

At

> >this point your bodies immune system will take over.

> >

> > If your immune system is not as strong as it should be, you may have to take

a

> >bath a week for a few months as your immune system recovers.

> >

> > Tom

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the way I bathe and have great success. I do not use any soap,

just soak in the MMS. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water.

Suggestions for Bathing in MMS Tub Water

In addition to taking oral doses of MMS it is possible to absorb MMS through the

skin directly into underlying muscle. Whereas oral doses provide Cl02 gas

primarily to the red blood cells, MMS that sinks through the skin provides Cl02

gas directly to the liquid plasma of the blood. More Cl02 is circulated and more

rapid benefits can be expected. When using this bathtub strategy, your full skin

surface will be in contact with Cl02 gas for 20 to 30 minutes.

See this alphabetical list of diseases drawn from a catalog of 28,000 skin

diseases.

Skin Diseases

Acne Pustular

Actinic Keratosis

's Disease

Athlete's Foot

Bacterial Vaginosis

Carcinoma-Basil Cell

Basil Carcinoma

Black Heel

Boils

Candida Groin

Candida Infection

Carbuncles

Chiggers

's Nerves

Cold Sores

Cysts

Dandruff

Dermatitis

Diaper Dermatitis

Eczema

Genital Ulcers

Grover's Disease

Hand Foot Mouth

Heat Rash

Hives

Hydrocystoma

Impetigo

Insect Bites

Irritant Dermatitis

Jock Itch

Leprosy

Lice

Lichen Sclerosis

Lichen Simplex

Lupus Acute

Lyme Disease

Melanoma

Milroy Disease

Mites

Monkey Pox

Morgellons

Nail Fungus

Nevus Anemicus

Open Sores

Pellagra

Poison Ivy/Oak

Pre-skin Cancer

Psoriasis

Red Ant Bites

Ring Worm

cea

Scabies

Shingles

Skin Lupus

Skin Moles

Small Pox

Staph Infection

Sun Burn/spots

Sunburn

Syphilis

Ticks

Vitilligo

Warts

For some people this strategy has produced a breakthrough. By soaking for 20

minutes in tub water laced with activated MMS, people who had been unable to

rise above a 7 drop oral solution were able to increase the supply of Cl02 gas

in the blood stream without nausea. Reasoning? Bacteria and pathogens on or

below the skin level are killed by the MMS and they move outward, away from the

body. Most debris moves outward and floats away rather than being adrift in the

blood stream. Do not neglect oral doses during your occasional tub experiences.

Take at least a six drop dose just before the tub bath. Don't worry about

whether you just ate – or didn't eat. Any Cl02 loss caused by food in the

stomach is minor and relatively unimportant.

Pathogens removed through the internal use of MMS (as when we drink it) can only

get out of the body by passing to the liver and on to elimination. This works

fine until you reach the (temporary) nausea barrier. Nausea indicates that MMS

is killing more pathogens than the elimination system can handle, resulting in

temporary-but-serious nausea.

Bathing in MMS water enables cleansing of pathogens that are on the skin surface

or just under it. Cleansing at these outer levels seems to avoid overloading the

internal elimination systems. Pathogens killed near the skin surface more-often

move outward through the skin and float away. Do continue with normal MMS oral

doses, of course.

1. WIPE OUT THE TUB. Otherwise the MMS ClO2 gas in the water will go to work on

any soap scum and bathtub-ring, reducing or neutralizing the Cl02 available to

the body. By the second bath, the tub will be clean due to the MMS cleansing

action. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water. Adding more water does not

weaken the CL02 that is being generated. Some people add 1/4 cup DMSO. (Not

required but it may assist deeper penetration of the Cl02 gas.)

2. ACTIVATE MMS IN A CUP OR GLASS before adding to the tub water. Place 30 drops

of MMS in a cup. Add 2.5 teaspoons of lemon juice or citric acid (150 drops).

Plan for a 20 to 30 minute tub sitting. If you have open skin sores or severe

body wounds, consider reducing the MMS to 20 drops mixed with 100 drops of

citric acid or lemon juice (1.5 teaspoons) so that sensations of heat or burning

will be reduced. Open sores usually heal quickly due to the disinfecting action

of MMS. The 1 to 5 ratio is the normal MMS protocol.

3. MIX THE MMS WITH THE ACID AND SWIRL IN A CUP Wait 3 minutes. While waiting,

draw 5 to 8 inches of hot water for bathing. Do not add soap, perfume, shampoo

or children's toys. The Amount of water doesn't matter. After the 3 minute wait,

then

Diseases caused by bacteria or viruses will almost always be resolved through

repeated exposure to MMS Cl02 gas.

Diseases caused by genetic or nutritional deficiencies may not be helped by MMS

because MMS supplies no nutrients.

4. ADD THE ACTIVATED MMS into the tub water. Stir it. Almost immediately all

germs in the water will be eradicated. Some companies provide swimming pool

systems that use this same strategy. Water does not reduce the amount of ClO2

gas that is being produced. Tub half full or very full doesn't matter because

the same amount of Cl02 gas will be produced.

5. LAY IN THE TUB, First on one side, then the other. Splash the MMS water all

over the entire body – arms, neck, hair, face – all over. If there is a history

of cold sores, then wipe tub water on the lips and nose repeatedly and wherever

they were once visible. If water splashes in the eyes, just wipe it away. MMS

doesn't harm eyes – unlike shampoo. With a cup pour tub water onto the scalp.

6. ADD MORE HOT WATER. Heat opens the pores and MMS penetrates into the muscles.

Massage the scalp with tub water. By the 3rd bath, skin moles may begin to

crumble.

7. WIPE AWAY TUB DEBRIS when finished.

Thank You and Good Luck!

>

> >

> > Hello Dee,

> >

> > It would probably be a good idea to continue with the colloidal silver, but

you

> >may find a bath more beneficial than ingesting the oxidizer.

> >

> > The bath solution is made by using 5% sodium chlorite and 6% hydrochloric

acid.

> >You will have to measure the amount of water that goes into your bath, but

for

> >every liter of water you will be adding 0.3 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and 0.3

ml

> >of 6% HCl.

> >

> > Muriatic acid can be found in a building supply store. It is HCl at

somewhere

> >around 32%. If it is 32% you can dilute it down to 6% by putting 18.75 ml of

the

> >32% HCl into a measuring device and add enough distilled water to make a

total

> >of 100 ml.

> >

> > Measure the amount of water you put into the tub. Mix up the chemicals. Add

> >them to the tub water and take a bath.

> >

> > For example...

> >

> > If your tub holds 70 liters of water you would add the water to the tub.

> >

> > I need to digress here and mention that I am expecting you to use hot water.

I

> >had one person think that you had to use cold water and the bathing

experience

> >was " less than pleasurable... "

> >

> > OK, now you have 70 liters of water in the tub. Next you need to mix your

> >chemicals. In a glass put 21 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and add 21 ml of 6%

HCl.

> >Assuming you mix this in the kitchen, by the time you walk to the bathroom

the

> >solution will be activated and you simply pour it into the bath water.

> >

> > Jump into the bath and enjoy it.

> >

> > If you have a septic tank, you will have to neutralize the bath before

dumping

> >it. You can use Fruit Fresh for this. Add 4 tablespoons of Fruit Fresh to the

> >bath and stir to mix it in. Let it sit for 5 minutes, then drain.

> >

> >

> > If you are on city sewer, just dump the bath water.

> >

> > The safety issue with this is that you will be exposed to chlorine dioxide

> >fumes. If you notice respiratory distress in any way you will need to get out

of

> >the bathroom and get into fresh air. With a bathroom fan running, this should

> >not be a problem, but everyone is different. I always recommend having

someone

> >around when you do this. They can pop their head into the bathroom and take a

> >sniff of the air. There should only be a slight odor. If it is strong, you

need

> >more ventilation. This is only an issue during the first 5 minutes.

> >

> > I expect you to be in the bath for at least 20 minutes. Feel free to linger

> >longer if you wish.

> >

> > Some people have found relief in a single bath. Others have taken a daily

bath

> >for a week before finding relief.

> >

> > Keep in mind that a week of oxidizing baths puts a lot of stress on the

body.

> >You will need to have a diet rich in antioxidants and it will also have to be

> >well balanced. A little extra vitamin C and some probiotics will also help

keep

> >things balanced.

> >

> > The bath water will have a concentration of 9 PPM free chlorine dioxide when

> >you start. After 20 minutes, the CT will be 180. This is not enough to

> >completely eliminate all of the virus, but it is enough to knock it way down.

At

> >this point your bodies immune system will take over.

> >

> > If your immune system is not as strong as it should be, you may have to take

a

> >bath a week for a few months as your immune system recovers.

> >

> > Tom

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Healinghope,

Once again Jim Humble shows his lack of understanding of these chemicals. The

amount of water is critical. In order for an oxidizer to oxidize, there has to

be a concentration high enough to kill off the pathogens.

30 drops of MMS activated according to the MMS protocol and put into a tub with

70 liters of water will give you a concentration of about 0.3 PPM free chlorine

dioxide. This is better than nothing, but not high enough to really be

effective. When removing the pathogens from water they use 2 PPM to give you an

idea of how weak a concentration 0.3 PPM is. After purifying water, the goal is

to have at least a 0.5 PPM residual to keep the water pure in transit before it

is used.

The water purification people would love it if Jim Humble was actually correct.

If the amount of water didn't matter, they could put 1 drop of activated MMS

into the water supply and purify water for a whole city. Sorry, this isn't the

way that chlorine dioxide works.

Tom

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> Here is the way I bathe and have great success. I do not use any soap,

just soak in the MMS. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water.

>

> Suggestions for Bathing in MMS Tub Water

> In addition to taking oral doses of MMS it is possible to absorb MMS through

the skin directly into underlying muscle. Whereas oral doses provide Cl02 gas

primarily to the red blood cells, MMS that sinks through the skin provides Cl02

gas directly to the liquid plasma of the blood. More Cl02 is circulated and more

rapid benefits can be expected. When using this bathtub strategy, your full skin

surface will be in contact with Cl02 gas for 20 to 30 minutes.

>

> See this alphabetical list of diseases drawn from a catalog of 28,000 skin

diseases.

>

> Skin Diseases

> Acne Pustular

> Actinic Keratosis

> 's Disease

> Athlete's Foot

> Bacterial Vaginosis

> Carcinoma-Basil Cell

> Basil Carcinoma

> Black Heel

> Boils

> Candida Groin

> Candida Infection

> Carbuncles

> Chiggers

> 's Nerves

> Cold Sores

> Cysts

> Dandruff

> Dermatitis

> Diaper Dermatitis

> Eczema

> Genital Ulcers

> Grover's Disease

> Hand Foot Mouth

> Heat Rash

> Hives

> Hydrocystoma

> Impetigo

> Insect Bites

> Irritant Dermatitis

> Jock Itch

> Leprosy

> Lice

> Lichen Sclerosis

> Lichen Simplex

> Lupus Acute

> Lyme Disease

> Melanoma

> Milroy Disease

> Mites

> Monkey Pox

> Morgellons

> Nail Fungus

> Nevus Anemicus

> Open Sores

> Pellagra

> Poison Ivy/Oak

> Pre-skin Cancer

> Psoriasis

> Red Ant Bites

> Ring Worm

> cea

> Scabies

> Shingles

> Skin Lupus

> Skin Moles

> Small Pox

> Staph Infection

> Sun Burn/spots

> Sunburn

> Syphilis

> Ticks

> Vitilligo

> Warts

>

> For some people this strategy has produced a breakthrough. By soaking for 20

minutes in tub water laced with activated MMS, people who had been unable to

rise above a 7 drop oral solution were able to increase the supply of Cl02 gas

in the blood stream without nausea. Reasoning? Bacteria and pathogens on or

below the skin level are killed by the MMS and they move outward, away from the

body. Most debris moves outward and floats away rather than being adrift in the

blood stream. Do not neglect oral doses during your occasional tub experiences.

Take at least a six drop dose just before the tub bath. Don't worry about

whether you just ate – or didn't eat. Any Cl02 loss caused by food in the

stomach is minor and relatively unimportant.

> Pathogens removed through the internal use of MMS (as when we drink it) can

only get out of the body by passing to the liver and on to elimination. This

works fine until you reach the (temporary) nausea barrier. Nausea indicates that

MMS is killing more pathogens than the elimination system can handle, resulting

in temporary-but-serious nausea.

>

> Bathing in MMS water enables cleansing of pathogens that are on the skin

surface or just under it. Cleansing at these outer levels seems to avoid

overloading the internal elimination systems. Pathogens killed near the skin

surface more-often move outward through the skin and float away. Do continue

with normal MMS oral doses, of course.

>

> 1. WIPE OUT THE TUB. Otherwise the MMS ClO2 gas in the water will go to work

on any soap scum and bathtub-ring, reducing or neutralizing the Cl02 available

to the body. By the second bath, the tub will be clean due to the MMS cleansing

action. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water. Adding more water does not

weaken the CL02 that is being generated. Some people add 1/4 cup DMSO. (Not

required but it may assist deeper penetration of the Cl02 gas.)

>

> 2. ACTIVATE MMS IN A CUP OR GLASS before adding to the tub water. Place 30

drops of MMS in a cup. Add 2.5 teaspoons of lemon juice or citric acid (150

drops). Plan for a 20 to 30 minute tub sitting. If you have open skin sores or

severe body wounds, consider reducing the MMS to 20 drops mixed with 100 drops

of citric acid or lemon juice (1.5 teaspoons) so that sensations of heat or

burning will be reduced. Open sores usually heal quickly due to the disinfecting

action of MMS. The 1 to 5 ratio is the normal MMS protocol.

>

> 3. MIX THE MMS WITH THE ACID AND SWIRL IN A CUP Wait 3 minutes. While waiting,

draw 5 to 8 inches of hot water for bathing. Do not add soap, perfume, shampoo

or children's toys. The Amount of water doesn't matter. After the 3 minute wait,

then

>

> Diseases caused by bacteria or viruses will almost always be resolved through

repeated exposure to MMS Cl02 gas.

>

> Diseases caused by genetic or nutritional deficiencies may not be helped by

MMS because MMS supplies no nutrients.

>

> 4. ADD THE ACTIVATED MMS into the tub water. Stir it. Almost immediately all

germs in the water will be eradicated. Some companies provide swimming pool

systems that use this same strategy. Water does not reduce the amount of ClO2

gas that is being produced. Tub half full or very full doesn't matter because

the same amount of Cl02 gas will be produced.

>

> 5. LAY IN THE TUB, First on one side, then the other. Splash the MMS water all

over the entire body – arms, neck, hair, face – all over. If there is a history

of cold sores, then wipe tub water on the lips and nose repeatedly and wherever

they were once visible. If water splashes in the eyes, just wipe it away. MMS

doesn't harm eyes – unlike shampoo. With a cup pour tub water onto the scalp.

>

> 6. ADD MORE HOT WATER. Heat opens the pores and MMS penetrates into the

muscles. Massage the scalp with tub water. By the 3rd bath, skin moles may begin

to crumble.

>

> 7. WIPE AWAY TUB DEBRIS when finished.

> Thank You and Good Luck!

>

>

[Guest guest]

thank you. quick question silverfox?

my friends wife has a DNA related disease, not sure exactly what it is but i will try to get more information later, what do you know about DNA problems with a persons body, and would mms be of any help in these types of problems?

this is, my thought on what i'm asking you. maybe there's a disease in her body that is destroying her DNA, and mms will kill off the disease and the healing will happen. hmm what do you think?

From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 9:54:37 PMSubject: [ ] Re: please put MMS5 instructions in the group files.

Hello Healinghope,Once again Jim Humble shows his lack of understanding of these chemicals. The amount of water is critical. In order for an oxidizer to oxidize, there has to be a concentration high enough to kill off the pathogens.30 drops of MMS activated according to the MMS protocol and put into a tub with 70 liters of water will give you a concentration of about 0.3 PPM free chlorine dioxide. This is better than nothing, but not high enough to really be effective. When removing the pathogens from water they use 2 PPM to give you an idea of how weak a concentration 0.3 PPM is. After purifying water, the goal is to have at least a 0.5 PPM residual to keep the water pure in transit before it is used.The water purification people would love it if Jim Humble was actually correct. If the amount of water didn't matter, they could put 1 drop of activated MMS into the water supply and purify water for a whole city. Sorry, this

isn't the way that chlorine dioxide works.Tom>> Here is the way I bathe and have great success. I do not use any soap, just soak in the MMS. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water.> > Suggestions for Bathing in MMS Tub Water> In addition to taking oral doses of MMS it is possible to absorb MMS through the skin directly into underlying muscle. Whereas oral doses provide Cl02 gas primarily to the red blood cells, MMS that sinks through the skin provides Cl02 gas directly to the liquid plasma of the blood. More Cl02 is circulated and more rapid benefits can be expected. When using this bathtub strategy, your full skin surface will be in contact with

Cl02 gas for 20 to 30 minutes.> > See this alphabetical list of diseases drawn from a catalog of 28,000 skin diseases.> > Skin Diseases> Acne Pustular> Actinic Keratosis> 's Disease> Athlete's Foot> Bacterial Vaginosis> Carcinoma-Basil Cell> Basil Carcinoma> Black Heel> Boils> Candida Groin> Candida Infection> Carbuncles> Chiggers> 's Nerves> Cold Sores> Cysts> Dandruff> Dermatitis> Diaper Dermatitis> Eczema> Genital Ulcers> Grover's Disease> Hand Foot Mouth> Heat Rash> Hives> Hydrocystoma> Impetigo> Insect Bites> Irritant Dermatitis> Jock Itch> Leprosy> Lice> Lichen Sclerosis> Lichen Simplex> Lupus Acute> Lyme Disease> Melanoma> Milroy Disease>

Mites> Monkey Pox> Morgellons> Nail Fungus> Nevus Anemicus> Open Sores> Pellagra> Poison Ivy/Oak> Pre-skin Cancer> Psoriasis> Red Ant Bites> Ring Worm> cea> Scabies> Shingles> Skin Lupus> Skin Moles> Small Pox> Staph Infection> Sun Burn/spots> Sunburn> Syphilis> Ticks> Vitilligo> Warts> > For some people this strategy has produced a breakthrough. By soaking for 20 minutes in tub water laced with activated MMS, people who had been unable to rise above a 7 drop oral solution were able to increase the supply of Cl02 gas in the blood stream without nausea. Reasoning? Bacteria and pathogens on or below the skin level are killed by the MMS and they move outward, away from the body. Most debris moves outward and floats away rather than being adrift in the blood stream. Do not

neglect oral doses during your occasional tub experiences. Take at least a six drop dose just before the tub bath. Don't worry about whether you just ate – or didn't eat. Any Cl02 loss caused by food in the stomach is minor and relatively unimportant.> Pathogens removed through the internal use of MMS (as when we drink it) can only get out of the body by passing to the liver and on to elimination. This works fine until you reach the (temporary) nausea barrier. Nausea indicates that MMS is killing more pathogens than the elimination system can handle, resulting in temporary-but-serious nausea.> > Bathing in MMS water enables cleansing of pathogens that are on the skin surface or just under it. Cleansing at these outer levels seems to avoid overloading the internal elimination systems. Pathogens killed near the skin surface more-often move outward through the skin and float away. Do continue with normal MMS oral doses, of

course.> > 1. WIPE OUT THE TUB. Otherwise the MMS ClO2 gas in the water will go to work on any soap scum and bathtub-ring, reducing or neutralizing the Cl02 available to the body. By the second bath, the tub will be clean due to the MMS cleansing action. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water. Adding more water does not weaken the CL02 that is being generated. Some people add 1/4 cup DMSO. (Not required but it may assist deeper penetration of the Cl02 gas.)> > 2. ACTIVATE MMS IN A CUP OR GLASS before adding to the tub water. Place 30 drops of MMS in a cup. Add 2.5 teaspoons of lemon juice or citric acid (150 drops). Plan for a 20 to 30 minute tub sitting. If you have open skin sores or severe body wounds, consider reducing the MMS to 20 drops mixed with 100 drops of citric acid or lemon juice (1.5 teaspoons) so that sensations of heat or burning will be reduced. Open sores usually heal quickly due to the disinfecting

action of MMS. The 1 to 5 ratio is the normal MMS protocol.> > 3. MIX THE MMS WITH THE ACID AND SWIRL IN A CUP Wait 3 minutes. While waiting, draw 5 to 8 inches of hot water for bathing. Do not add soap, perfume, shampoo or children's toys. The Amount of water doesn't matter. After the 3 minute wait, then> > Diseases caused by bacteria or viruses will almost always be resolved through repeated exposure to MMS Cl02 gas.> > Diseases caused by genetic or nutritional deficiencies may not be helped by MMS because MMS supplies no nutrients.> > 4. ADD THE ACTIVATED MMS into the tub water. Stir it. Almost immediately all germs in the water will be eradicated. Some companies provide swimming pool systems that use this same strategy. Water does not reduce the amount of ClO2 gas that is being produced. Tub half full or very full doesn't matter because the same amount of Cl02 gas will be produced.>

> 5. LAY IN THE TUB, First on one side, then the other. Splash the MMS water all over the entire body – arms, neck, hair, face – all over. If there is a history of cold sores, then wipe tub water on the lips and nose repeatedly and wherever they were once visible. If water splashes in the eyes, just wipe it away. MMS doesn't harm eyes – unlike shampoo. With a cup pour tub water onto the scalp.> > 6. ADD MORE HOT WATER. Heat opens the pores and MMS penetrates into the muscles. Massage the scalp with tub water. By the 3rd bath, skin moles may begin to crumble.> > 7. WIPE AWAY TUB DEBRIS when finished.> Thank You and Good Luck!> >

[Guest guest]

" lack of understanding "

" was actually correct "

k, just trying to get clear on what is considered flaming and blasting which

apparently is not that clear to me. seems to me, just seems, that by this

criteria I was flamed twice in the last few days but if I was I was cool

with it. I don't expect everyone to like me. as long as I like myself that

is what is important.

I've said everything I wanted to say anyway, need to spend my time tending

my own group where going downstream and having a good time rules.

rose

*hug a smoker*

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I am not a medical professional, so I don't know if what causes DNA problems can

be oxidized. I do know that this is a very close balance because too much

oxidation can cause DNA damage.

Tom

>

> thank you. quick question silverfox?  

>

> my friends wife has a DNA related disease, not sure exactly what it is but i

> will try to get more information later, what do you know about DNA problems

with

> a persons body, and would mms be of any help in these types of problems? 

>

> this is, my thought on what i'm asking you. maybe there's a disease in her

body

> that is destroying her DNA, and mms will kill off the disease and the healing

> will happen. hmm what do you think?

>

[Guest guest]

what's a good example of to much oxidation when using mms. or is it harmless in small doses like everyone seems to say?

From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 11:00:17 AMSubject: [ ] Re: please put MMS5 instructions in the group files.

Hello ,I am not a medical professional, so I don't know if what causes DNA problems can be oxidized. I do know that this is a very close balance because too much oxidation can cause DNA damage.Tom>> thank you. quick question silverfox?  > > my friends wife has a DNA related disease, not sure exactly what it is but i > will try to get more information later, what do you know about DNA problems with > a persons body, and would mms be of any help in these types of problems? > > this is, my thought on what i'm asking you. maybe there's a disease in her body > that is destroying her DNA,

and mms will kill off the disease and the healing > will happen. hmm what do you think?>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

When you have too much oxidation in your body, you suffer oxidative stress.

This can show up as impaired brain function, damage to blood cells and organs,

and a whole list of other problems.

Blood tests can be done to check for the number of blood cells, dried blood can

be viewed under a microscope, and there are some laboratories that do some other

tests.

Here is one laboratory that is promoting testing for oxidative stress:

http://www.genovadiagnostics.com/files/profile_assets/referenced_materials/oxstr\

ess2_supportguide.pdf

You would have to review what they are doing and their references to see if

their testing would be of benefit.

The Lubbers study on humans ingesting chlorine dioxide in water also had an

excellent list of tests for oxidative stress.

As far as MMS goes, there are no studies involving humans ingesting acidified

sodium chlorite. This means that you are on your own for monitoring oxidative

stress in your body. If you do a search on the indications of oxidative stress

you will find that they start off with subtle changes in the bodies chemistry.

These small changes are difficult to observe without testing.

Tom

>

> what's a good example of to much oxidation when using mms. or is it harmless

in

> small doses like everyone seems to say?

>

[Guest guest]

Tom,

Have you ever tried using 30 drops of activated MMS and DMSO in a tub of water?

Tim

>

>

> Hello Healinghope,

>

> Once again Jim Humble shows his lack of understanding of these chemicals. The

amount of water is critical. In order for an oxidizer to oxidize, there has to

be a concentration high enough to kill off the pathogens.

>

> 30 drops of MMS activated according to the MMS protocol and put into a tub

with 70 liters of water will give you a concentration of about 0.3 PPM free

chlorine dioxide. This is better than nothing, but not high enough to really be

effective. When removing the pathogens from water they use 2 PPM to give you an

idea of how weak a concentration 0.3 PPM is. After purifying water, the goal is

to have at least a 0.5 PPM residual to keep the water pure in transit before it

is used.

>

> The water purification people would love it if Jim Humble was actually

correct. If the amount of water didn't matter, they could put 1 drop of

activated MMS into the water supply and purify water for a whole city. Sorry,

this isn't the way that chlorine dioxide works.

>

> Tom

>

>

> --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@>

wrote:

> >

> > Here is the way I bathe and have great success. I do not use any soap,

just soak in the MMS. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water.

> >

> > Suggestions for Bathing in MMS Tub Water

> > In addition to taking oral doses of MMS it is possible to absorb MMS through

the skin directly into underlying muscle. Whereas oral doses provide Cl02 gas

primarily to the red blood cells, MMS that sinks through the skin provides Cl02

gas directly to the liquid plasma of the blood. More Cl02 is circulated and more

rapid benefits can be expected. When using this bathtub strategy, your full skin

surface will be in contact with Cl02 gas for 20 to 30 minutes.

> >

> > See this alphabetical list of diseases drawn from a catalog of 28,000 skin

diseases.

> >

> > Skin Diseases

> > Acne Pustular

> > Actinic Keratosis

> > 's Disease

> > Athlete's Foot

> > Bacterial Vaginosis

> > Carcinoma-Basil Cell

> > Basil Carcinoma

> > Black Heel

> > Boils

> > Candida Groin

> > Candida Infection

> > Carbuncles

> > Chiggers

> > 's Nerves

> > Cold Sores

> > Cysts

> > Dandruff

> > Dermatitis

> > Diaper Dermatitis

> > Eczema

> > Genital Ulcers

> > Grover's Disease

> > Hand Foot Mouth

> > Heat Rash

> > Hives

> > Hydrocystoma

> > Impetigo

> > Insect Bites

> > Irritant Dermatitis

> > Jock Itch

> > Leprosy

> > Lice

> > Lichen Sclerosis

> > Lichen Simplex

> > Lupus Acute

> > Lyme Disease

> > Melanoma

> > Milroy Disease

> > Mites

> > Monkey Pox

> > Morgellons

> > Nail Fungus

> > Nevus Anemicus

> > Open Sores

> > Pellagra

> > Poison Ivy/Oak

> > Pre-skin Cancer

> > Psoriasis

> > Red Ant Bites

> > Ring Worm

> > cea

> > Scabies

> > Shingles

> > Skin Lupus

> > Skin Moles

> > Small Pox

> > Staph Infection

> > Sun Burn/spots

> > Sunburn

> > Syphilis

> > Ticks

> > Vitilligo

> > Warts

> >

> > For some people this strategy has produced a breakthrough. By soaking for 20

minutes in tub water laced with activated MMS, people who had been unable to

rise above a 7 drop oral solution were able to increase the supply of Cl02 gas

in the blood stream without nausea. Reasoning? Bacteria and pathogens on or

below the skin level are killed by the MMS and they move outward, away from the

body. Most debris moves outward and floats away rather than being adrift in the

blood stream. Do not neglect oral doses during your occasional tub experiences.

Take at least a six drop dose just before the tub bath. Don't worry about

whether you just ate – or didn't eat. Any Cl02 loss caused by food in the

stomach is minor and relatively unimportant.

> > Pathogens removed through the internal use of MMS (as when we drink it) can

only get out of the body by passing to the liver and on to elimination. This

works fine until you reach the (temporary) nausea barrier. Nausea indicates that

MMS is killing more pathogens than the elimination system can handle, resulting

in temporary-but-serious nausea.

> >

> > Bathing in MMS water enables cleansing of pathogens that are on the skin

surface or just under it. Cleansing at these outer levels seems to avoid

overloading the internal elimination systems. Pathogens killed near the skin

surface more-often move outward through the skin and float away. Do continue

with normal MMS oral doses, of course.

> >

> > 1. WIPE OUT THE TUB. Otherwise the MMS ClO2 gas in the water will go to work

on any soap scum and bathtub-ring, reducing or neutralizing the Cl02 available

to the body. By the second bath, the tub will be clean due to the MMS cleansing

action. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water. Adding more water does not

weaken the CL02 that is being generated. Some people add 1/4 cup DMSO. (Not

required but it may assist deeper penetration of the Cl02 gas.)

> >

> > 2. ACTIVATE MMS IN A CUP OR GLASS before adding to the tub water. Place 30

drops of MMS in a cup. Add 2.5 teaspoons of lemon juice or citric acid (150

drops). Plan for a 20 to 30 minute tub sitting. If you have open skin sores or

severe body wounds, consider reducing the MMS to 20 drops mixed with 100 drops

of citric acid or lemon juice (1.5 teaspoons) so that sensations of heat or

burning will be reduced. Open sores usually heal quickly due to the disinfecting

action of MMS. The 1 to 5 ratio is the normal MMS protocol.

> >

> > 3. MIX THE MMS WITH THE ACID AND SWIRL IN A CUP Wait 3 minutes. While

waiting, draw 5 to 8 inches of hot water for bathing. Do not add soap, perfume,

shampoo or children's toys. The Amount of water doesn't matter. After the 3

minute wait, then

> >

> > Diseases caused by bacteria or viruses will almost always be resolved

through repeated exposure to MMS Cl02 gas.

> >

> > Diseases caused by genetic or nutritional deficiencies may not be helped by

MMS because MMS supplies no nutrients.

> >

> > 4. ADD THE ACTIVATED MMS into the tub water. Stir it. Almost immediately all

germs in the water will be eradicated. Some companies provide swimming pool

systems that use this same strategy. Water does not reduce the amount of ClO2

gas that is being produced. Tub half full or very full doesn't matter because

the same amount of Cl02 gas will be produced.

> >

> > 5. LAY IN THE TUB, First on one side, then the other. Splash the MMS water

all over the entire body – arms, neck, hair, face – all over. If there is a

history of cold sores, then wipe tub water on the lips and nose repeatedly and

wherever they were once visible. If water splashes in the eyes, just wipe it

away. MMS doesn't harm eyes – unlike shampoo. With a cup pour tub water onto the

scalp.

> >

> > 6. ADD MORE HOT WATER. Heat opens the pores and MMS penetrates into the

muscles. Massage the scalp with tub water. By the 3rd bath, skin moles may begin

to crumble.

> >

> > 7. WIPE AWAY TUB DEBRIS when finished.

> > Thank You and Good Luck!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The way I see this none of us would be here talking and healing if not for Jim

Humbles findings, and unselfish sharing. Even if we not all agree, we must agree

Humbles discovery made this possible. Others argue that chlorine dioxide has

been around for years, true, but never used for human disinfection if you will:)

until that day in the jungle.

> >

> >

> > Hello Healinghope,

> >

> > Once again Jim Humble shows his lack of understanding of these chemicals.

The amount of water is critical. In order for an oxidizer to oxidize, there has

to be a concentration high enough to kill off the pathogens.

> >

> > 30 drops of MMS activated according to the MMS protocol and put into a tub

with 70 liters of water will give you a concentration of about 0.3 PPM free

chlorine dioxide. This is better than nothing, but not high enough to really be

effective. When removing the pathogens from water they use 2 PPM to give you an

idea of how weak a concentration 0.3 PPM is. After purifying water, the goal is

to have at least a 0.5 PPM residual to keep the water pure in transit before it

is used.

> >

> > The water purification people would love it if Jim Humble was actually

correct. If the amount of water didn't matter, they could put 1 drop of

activated MMS into the water supply and purify water for a whole city. Sorry,

this isn't the way that chlorine dioxide works.

> >

> > Tom

> >

> >

> > --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Here is the way I bathe and have great success. I do not use any

soap, just soak in the MMS. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water.

> > >

> > > Suggestions for Bathing in MMS Tub Water

> > > In addition to taking oral doses of MMS it is possible to absorb MMS

through the skin directly into underlying muscle. Whereas oral doses provide

Cl02 gas primarily to the red blood cells, MMS that sinks through the skin

provides Cl02 gas directly to the liquid plasma of the blood. More Cl02 is

circulated and more rapid benefits can be expected. When using this bathtub

strategy, your full skin surface will be in contact with Cl02 gas for 20 to 30

minutes.

> > >

> > > See this alphabetical list of diseases drawn from a catalog of 28,000 skin

diseases.

> > >

> > > Skin Diseases

> > > Acne Pustular

> > > Actinic Keratosis

> > > 's Disease

> > > Athlete's Foot

> > > Bacterial Vaginosis

> > > Carcinoma-Basil Cell

> > > Basil Carcinoma

> > > Black Heel

> > > Boils

> > > Candida Groin

> > > Candida Infection

> > > Carbuncles

> > > Chiggers

> > > 's Nerves

> > > Cold Sores

> > > Cysts

> > > Dandruff

> > > Dermatitis

> > > Diaper Dermatitis

> > > Eczema

> > > Genital Ulcers

> > > Grover's Disease

> > > Hand Foot Mouth

> > > Heat Rash

> > > Hives

> > > Hydrocystoma

> > > Impetigo

> > > Insect Bites

> > > Irritant Dermatitis

> > > Jock Itch

> > > Leprosy

> > > Lice

> > > Lichen Sclerosis

> > > Lichen Simplex

> > > Lupus Acute

> > > Lyme Disease

> > > Melanoma

> > > Milroy Disease

> > > Mites

> > > Monkey Pox

> > > Morgellons

> > > Nail Fungus

> > > Nevus Anemicus

> > > Open Sores

> > > Pellagra

> > > Poison Ivy/Oak

> > > Pre-skin Cancer

> > > Psoriasis

> > > Red Ant Bites

> > > Ring Worm

> > > cea

> > > Scabies

> > > Shingles

> > > Skin Lupus

> > > Skin Moles

> > > Small Pox

> > > Staph Infection

> > > Sun Burn/spots

> > > Sunburn

> > > Syphilis

> > > Ticks

> > > Vitilligo

> > > Warts

> > >

> > > For some people this strategy has produced a breakthrough. By soaking for

20 minutes in tub water laced with activated MMS, people who had been unable to

rise above a 7 drop oral solution were able to increase the supply of Cl02 gas

in the blood stream without nausea. Reasoning? Bacteria and pathogens on or

below the skin level are killed by the MMS and they move outward, away from the

body. Most debris moves outward and floats away rather than being adrift in the

blood stream. Do not neglect oral doses during your occasional tub experiences.

Take at least a six drop dose just before the tub bath. Don't worry about

whether you just ate – or didn't eat. Any Cl02 loss caused by food in the

stomach is minor and relatively unimportant.

> > > Pathogens removed through the internal use of MMS (as when we drink it)

can only get out of the body by passing to the liver and on to elimination. This

works fine until you reach the (temporary) nausea barrier. Nausea indicates that

MMS is killing more pathogens than the elimination system can handle, resulting

in temporary-but-serious nausea.

> > >

> > > Bathing in MMS water enables cleansing of pathogens that are on the skin

surface or just under it. Cleansing at these outer levels seems to avoid

overloading the internal elimination systems. Pathogens killed near the skin

surface more-often move outward through the skin and float away. Do continue

with normal MMS oral doses, of course.

> > >

> > > 1. WIPE OUT THE TUB. Otherwise the MMS ClO2 gas in the water will go to

work on any soap scum and bathtub-ring, reducing or neutralizing the Cl02

available to the body. By the second bath, the tub will be clean due to the MMS

cleansing action. Put no soap or other chemicals in the water. Adding more water

does not weaken the CL02 that is being generated. Some people add 1/4 cup DMSO.

(Not required but it may assist deeper penetration of the Cl02 gas.)

> > >

> > > 2. ACTIVATE MMS IN A CUP OR GLASS before adding to the tub water. Place 30

drops of MMS in a cup. Add 2.5 teaspoons of lemon juice or citric acid (150

drops). Plan for a 20 to 30 minute tub sitting. If you have open skin sores or

severe body wounds, consider reducing the MMS to 20 drops mixed with 100 drops

of citric acid or lemon juice (1.5 teaspoons) so that sensations of heat or

burning will be reduced. Open sores usually heal quickly due to the disinfecting

action of MMS. The 1 to 5 ratio is the normal MMS protocol.

> > >

> > > 3. MIX THE MMS WITH THE ACID AND SWIRL IN A CUP Wait 3 minutes. While

waiting, draw 5 to 8 inches of hot water for bathing. Do not add soap, perfume,

shampoo or children's toys. The Amount of water doesn't matter. After the 3

minute wait, then

> > >

> > > Diseases caused by bacteria or viruses will almost always be resolved

through repeated exposure to MMS Cl02 gas.

> > >

> > > Diseases caused by genetic or nutritional deficiencies may not be helped

by MMS because MMS supplies no nutrients.

> > >

> > > 4. ADD THE ACTIVATED MMS into the tub water. Stir it. Almost immediately

all germs in the water will be eradicated. Some companies provide swimming pool

systems that use this same strategy. Water does not reduce the amount of ClO2

gas that is being produced. Tub half full or very full doesn't matter because

the same amount of Cl02 gas will be produced.

> > >

> > > 5. LAY IN THE TUB, First on one side, then the other. Splash the MMS water

all over the entire body – arms, neck, hair, face – all over. If there is a

history of cold sores, then wipe tub water on the lips and nose repeatedly and

wherever they were once visible. If water splashes in the eyes, just wipe it

away. MMS doesn't harm eyes – unlike shampoo. With a cup pour tub water onto the

scalp.

> > >

> > > 6. ADD MORE HOT WATER. Heat opens the pores and MMS penetrates into the

muscles. Massage the scalp with tub water. By the 3rd bath, skin moles may begin

to crumble.

> > >

> > > 7. WIPE AWAY TUB DEBRIS when finished.

> > > Thank You and Good Luck!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Tim,

Yes. I have tested that and it seems that the DMSO neutralized the chlorine

dioxide. The amount of chlorine dioxide was unmeasurable.

Tom

--- In , " chasson321 " <chasson321@...>

wrote:

>

> Tom,

> Have you ever tried using 30 drops of activated MMS and DMSO in a tub of

water?

>

> Tim

>

[Guest guest]

Others argue that chlorine dioxide has been around for years, true, but

never used for human disinfection if you will:) until that day in the

jungle.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

With all due respect Marie, I have stated on numerous occasions that it has

been used for 'human disinfection' for at least 20 years that I know of

personally. The chemist that donated a huge box of SC had been selling it

for at least 20 years, both 28% and 5%. I was given detailed instructions

on how to use it for human and animal. This same chemist has been sending

SC to Africa for human usage. The SC came with bottles of activator,

labeled as such...10% citric acid. I was also given alternative

instructions if I wished to use lemon or lime juice, or vinegar. He was not

the only distributor selling this, not the only distributor sending

donations to Africa for human internal consumption. The SC was labeled

oxy/e (5%) and oxy 500 (28%). This is the same distributor that

collaborated with other distributors to hire an atty to go up against the

FDA to stop an attempt to ban SC. That near miss with the FDA was aprox 2

years ago. Although SC had been used human consumption wise for decades

there was a specific date in 1980's, I do not recall the date, where SC was

used for treating ppl, not treating water for ppl, but specifically treating

ppl. Volumes of records had to be examined till that one special case prior

to the date was found. Once that date was found SC was grandfathered in for

human consumption.

Ppl called this distributor all the time for suggested dosages for cancer,

flu, topical treatment for tumors, warts...list goes on and on. I took

copious notes of our 2 hour conversation. I have over the years spent many

hours discussing SC with this man. It was well documented the possible

benefits for certain diseases including malaria and in fact one of the

reasons distributors made donations to Africa. This was all happening on a

regular basis prior to the jungle discovery.

This is all my first hand personal experience with SC and I stand by these

facts as true.

rose

[Guest guest]

The SC came with bottles of activator, labeled as such...10% citric acid. I

was also given alternative instructions if I wished to use lemon or lime

juice, or vinegar.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Forgot to add, my instructions for citric acid were 1:1 ratio with 10%

citric acid. I was also told that I did not need to activate it unless I

really wanted to, felt the need to and was deathly ill as my own body

chemistry would activate the SC.

rose

[Guest guest]

Fascinating Tom,

So, can you test AMMS, using lemon juice, distilled water, and DMSO like we did in my daughters battle with cancer and see if there was any chlorine dioxide available? If I remember correctly, we use 10 drops of MMS, 30 drops of lemon juice, 3 cc distilled water, and 5 cc DMSO to start with, then I decided to modify it and only use 10 drops of lemon juice as it seemed to make the same amount of gas and took less time to apply and 1 cc of DMSO as I am very familiar that DMSO doesnt have to be alot to work. This made it was less to apply and soak in. We activated the MMS with the lemon juice, waited 5 minutes, then added the water and DMSO and painted it on her skin several times daily, like every hour for 10 hours for 4 days. Then off for a few days, five I think, and repeated. This is what I best remember, but lost the original instructions. As an aside she has been declared cancer free for almost two years now with no other changes made, except for a gluten free diet for 6 weeks about the same time we used the above combination. How interesting to think that the DMSO might alter the MMS and either make a new compound or cause it to dissipate. Also, how long after the two were mixed in your tests was it found to be neutralized?

*********************************************************************Hello Tim,Yes. I have tested that and it seems that the DMSO neutralized the chlorine dioxide. The amount of chlorine dioxide was unmeasurable.Tom

*********************************************************************

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