Re: Reg the Silverfox, Science & Good Results of MMS

[Guest guest]

In

China, the traditional Chinese doctors have been using herbs and herb

conconctions that they could never explain why it works. They just

know from experimentation that it does. And there are 100's of millions

of folks down through the ages that have been made well by them. I know

this because I have talked to them and have used them myself

Morning

Ma Li,

The

history of the healing power of herbs goes back as far as recorded

record. Agreed, they are perhaps the most powerful healers. The whole

history of herbs and their use is much more understood than many would realize

even centuries ago. To say that these herbalist couldn’t explain

why they worked is really not true. Reading the history of Chinese medicine

the extent of the healers knowledge is so vast, so advanced western medicine

would benefit greatly just from studying ancient text on such. Just as an example,

when ppl started using herbs they had many things to study by watching animals

and the choices they made when sick as to what herbs they selected.

I

agree that the exploration of SC is fascinating. It is in infancy, the

reason collecting data is so important. The comparison of herbs to an

isolate chemical is really no comparison however. Since we are studying a

chemical it would seem only logical to bring in the knowledge of chemist. It

is the reason we need to collect data, see what works, what doesn’t

work. The very same procedure was done with the advent of herbal healing.

Even our use of colloidal silver is the result of observations on the use of

silver centuries ago.

So

we are in the observational mode with SC. Yes, I agree with you…

Then why are there so many people, even on this

Group, present or who have left, that have had amazing results from using

MMS?

Which

is why when someone says they have 27 known cases that were successful sharing

of this information in detail would benefit us all. We have also seen

many on this list and other list where it did not work. By sharing what

we observe, comparing notes, we can come to a greater understanding of how to

use this protocol. This was how the master herbalist learned all that

they did…by documenting and sharing.

What

we have here in this gathering is any attempt to dig deeper into the how’s

and whys of SC is met with such animosity that it boggles the senses. In a

mature discussion (from one sector) ones expressing concerns are viewed by some

others as akin to heresy. How we truly learn is by everyone bringing

their knowledge to the table, chemist et all, and going over the collection of

information. I asked Alvin to share his information on the 27 cases he

says he has personal knowledge of. That information would be of great

benefit to all here and especially ones that are sick. I know that SC is

having some limited success with morgellons, but it is limited. Perhaps by

a more reasoned and open discussion a path to helping those afflicted with morgellons

could be helped to a greater degree. I know the disease just about drives

them crazy. Wouldn’t it be nice to find a way to help them on a

more consistent basis?

When

I inherited the blacksalve list I now have the original owner would not allow

any discussion of adjunct protocols to her tonic herb mix or salve

applications. She had found the one true way and any attempts to bring

other protocols to the table for discussion were slammed down hard, vicious verbal

attacks et all. When she left I opened up the discussion to anything

anyone wanted to add to the protocols. Result…we came up with

protocols that were much more effective and able to tailor protocols to suit

individual situations. One size does not fit all.

Let’s

find out more about the ones who have had amazing success with MMS and

correlate that with ones following the same protocols who did not have success

or even more, detrimental effects from such.

Asking

questions brings answers. We need to keep asking questions…

rose

[Guest guest]

Ma Li Just thinking the same. MMS SAVED MY LIFE TOM! And that was done with Jim

Humbles writings. I will always stand by that.

I had lesions so bad from lyme I would not even leave my home, tens of thousands

of dollars spent on medical test and advice with no hope in sight. Then a simple

web page with Jim humble caught my eye over 2 years ago. Snake oil I thought

this is to good to be true, but I was desperate.

It worked, I am functioning thing clearly, and still have my farm. I was ready

to give up on my life. You or no one will tell me different I am LIVING proof!

By the way just got done paying off that big medical bill, but for $25.00 I have

enough sodium chlorite flakes to last me years. I have been on MMS maintenance

now, after completing the old protocol for 2 years, healthier than EVER!

So your science, and PPM, like the doctors treatments is wind through the trees

as they say here in the countryside. You have tried to sway and convince people

on so many groups that consider MMS for their health. Your motive, not sure, can

speculate.

People have sense, just as Humble writes the goal is not to make your self sick,

the goal is to kill of the bad, and heal.

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> From: silverfox_science <poast@...>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Controlled clinical evaluations of

chlorine dioxide, chlorite and chlorate

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> Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 5:23 AM

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> Hello Healinghope,

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> Sorry, but all oxidative therapies involve having a concentration of the

oxidant in contact with the pathogen for a specific amount of time.

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> You, and Jim, can dream up some magic method of the immune system using

chlorine dioxide, but chlorine dioxide is a killer. By killing things off the

immune system may be stimulated, but the immune system doesn't use chlorine

dioxide.

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> The reason so many people have poor results when using MMS is that they don't

have the proper concentration in contact with the pathogen and it doesn't get

killed off.

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> Jim has mentioned PPM several times. He ignores the science behind it because

he doesn't understand how these chemicals work.

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> Tom

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> --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@>

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> > Actually I should point out this company is probably not using chlorine

dioxide at the concentrations recommended by Jim. The big problem with Tom's PPM

mentality is that is a description of what happens OUTSIDE the body in a

non-living situation. Jim has always ignored PPM because you mix your dose of

mms with as much water/juice as you want, the PPM is irrelevant. This is because

inside the body is a living, intelligent system. The immune system cells can

grab the chlorine dioxide molecules and take them to where they are needed--this

is an intelligent system--not a dead, outside the body system. So the body does

not need PPM concentrations floating in the blood to kill off pathogens, it only

needs to get the chlorine dioxide molecules in the dose into the hands of the

intelligent immune system components. This is what Jim has always said. The

chlorine dioxide molecules are super powerful weapons placed right into the

hands of the immune system, not

> just floating around in the blood randomly as in an outside the body

situation. If you understand this, then only small amounts of chlorine dioxide

are needed to get great effects. It explains why the chemistry outside the body

is not very relevant, and yet Tom keeps stressing it.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for this positive support! Best Regards,Remi From: Ma Li <aletheias3@...> Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 11:46:28 AMSubject: [ ] Reg the Silverfox, Science & Good Results of

MMS

Silverfox Tom, I am sure you know that silverfoxes are good at killing rats. And they are being

used for such in China to kill rats. That is true. Did you have any particular rats in mind on this Group?

Some things to think about.

Ma Li

From: silverfox_science <poast@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Controlled clinical evaluations of chlorine dioxide, chlorite and chlorate Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 5:23 AM

Hello Healinghope,Sorry, but all oxidative therapies involve having a concentration of the oxidant in contact with the pathogen for a specific amount of time.You, and Jim, can dream up some magic method of the immune system using chlorine dioxide, but chlorine dioxide is a killer. By killing things off the immune system may be stimulated, but the immune system doesn't use chlorine dioxide.The reason so many people have poor results when using MMS is that they don't have the proper concentration in contact with the pathogen and it doesn't get killed off. Jim has mentioned PPM several times. He ignores the science behind it because he doesn't understand how these chemicals work.Tom--- In , "healinghope" <mfrreman@...>

wrote:>> Actually I should point out this company is probably not using chlorine dioxide at the concentrations recommended by Jim. The big problem with Tom's PPM mentality is that is a description of what happens OUTSIDE the body in a non-living situation. Jim has always ignored PPM because you mix your dose of mms with as much water/juice as you want, the PPM is irrelevant. This is because inside the body is a living, intelligent system. The immune system cells can grab the chlorine dioxide molecules and take them to where they are needed--this is an intelligent system--not a dead, outside the body system. So the body does not need PPM concentrations floating in the blood to kill off pathogens, it only needs to get the chlorine dioxide molecules in the dose into the hands of the intelligent

immune system components. This is what Jim has always said. The chlorine dioxide molecules are super powerful weapons placed right into the hands of the immune system, not just floating around in the blood randomly as in an outside the body situation. If you understand this, then only small amounts of chlorine dioxide are needed to get great effects. It explains why the chemistry outside the body is not very relevant, and yet Tom keeps stressing it.>

[Guest guest]

You Misread that Rose. I was asking if his motive was for science or helping the

sick. Wow

--- In , " palulukon " <palulukon@...>

wrote:

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> Healinghope wrote...

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> Tom...You have tried to sway and convince people on so many groups that

> consider MMS for their health. Your motive, not sure, can speculate.

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>

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> Marie, here you come again in attack mode. Tom has offered his knowledge

> kindly. While no one doubts your testimony if you ck some other lyme cases,

> forums, they have not had the success that you have. We need to see how to

> make this effective for as many as possible. It is that simple. We need to

> see how to make this more consistently effective for morgellons...cancer, to

> name a few.

>

> That it worked for you is so fantastic...just no words that can express the

> joy that you have your life back.

>

> But by insinuating that Tom has some hidden agenda, me or anyone else,

> because we seek to understand more is just silly. While you are living

> proof that it can work what about all the other 'living proofs' where it has

> not worked or done harm. It would seem logical that any intelligent person

> would want to discover all that they can about this protocol and help so

> many more.

>

> Least that's how things work in my world...

>

> rose

>