Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Without wishing to get into a debate with anyone, I post below just for info/thought an item from the Beck n Stuff group about MMS. ====== From: Beck-n-stuff [mailto:Beck-n-stuff] On Behalf Of Sent: August-10-10 11:24 PM Beck-n-stuff Subject: Re: [beck-n-stuff] The Health Wyze Report Update: The Debate between HealthWyze.org and Jim Humble about whether M.M.S. is a Fraud Some thoughts about MMS: No one seems to have been able to confirm the claims that MMS cures malaria. I spent some time a couple of years ago trying to confirm Humble's claims about his work in Malawi without success. The HealthWyze report posted shows that Humble's photos of himself with malaria patients in Malawi have clearly been faked. The bottom line is I can't find any evidence that a single person anywhere has ever been cured of malaria with MMS. After 3 years if it worked you would expect it to have spread throughout Africa and other malaria-infested areas of the world. It hasn't. Chlorine dioxide is a strong oxidising agent, which may account for the idea that it provides the body with oxygen. It doesn't, neither does sodium chlorite - even if the chlorite is reduced completely to chloride, the by-products will be hydroxide OH- not oxygen, like this ClO2- + 2H2O + 4e- --> Cl- + 4OH-. In chemistry an oxidising agent is one that grabs electrons from other substances - oxidation is electron loss, reduction is electron gain. So in the body chlorine dioxide (ClO2) will be reduced back to chlorite (ClO2-) in this reaction ClO2(aq) + e- = ClO2- . If the electron donor happens to be an essential part of a human cell, it will be damaged, if it happens to be some genetic material, it could cause cancer. As blood pH is 7.4, most chlorine dioxide will convert back to chlorite but some will also convert to chlorate (ClO3-) and chloride (Cl-). There's a good account of the chemistry of chlorine dioxide here: www.epa.gov/ ogwdw000/ mdbp/pdf/ alter/chapt_ 4.pdf I calculate that the dose of MMS required to achieve blood concentrations of chlorine dioxide required to kill any pathogens is going to be a toxic, close to lethal dose. Since MMS is 28% sodium chlorite that's 28 grams in 100 ml 0.28 grams or 280 milligrams in 1 ml There are about 28 drops in 1 ml So 1 drop contains about 10 mg sodium chlorite Assume a blood volume of 5 litres and that all the sodium chlorite ends up converted to chlorine dioxide and dissolved in the blood (in fact only a small percentage is likely to end up in the blood) 1 drop of MMS, or 10 mg sodium chlorite diluted in 5 litres 2 mg per litre 0.002 grams per litre 0.0002 grams per 100 ml Which is a 0.0002% solution 15 drops would be a 0.003% solution (a little lower than that when converted to chlorine dioxide, and a lot lower when you consider that not all will be absorbed, but I'll ignore that) http://iadr. confex.com/ iadr/2008Toronto /techprogram/ abstract_ 105534.htm " In MIC test the lowest MIC value of chlorine dioxide gel (0.02% w/v) was obtained for S. aureus, S. mitis and S. constellatus. The other bacteria and pool samples of dental biofilm indicated slightly higher MIC values (0.2% w/v) " MIC = minimum inhibitory concentration For other " friendly " bacteria the MIC was between 10 ppm (for Bacillus subtilis) and 125 ppm (for Lactobacillus plantarum). http://www.scielo. br/scielo. php?script= sci_arttext <http://www.scielo. br/scielo. php?script= sci_arttext & pid=S1517- 83822008000200 026> & pid=S1517-83822008 000200026 10 ppm = 10 mg/l = 1 mg per 100 ml = 0.001 g per 100 ml = 0.001% 125 ppm = 125 mg/l = 12.5 mg per 100 ml = 0.0125 g per 100 ml = 0.0125% It is worth noting that chlorine dioxide is an irritant at levels as low as 0.1 ppm. http://msds. chem.ox.ac. uk/CH/chlorine_ dioxide.html So if you ingested 15 drops of MMS, assuming that all of it was converted into chlorine dioxide and absorbed into the bloodstream, the concentration would be at least 10 times and more likely 100 times too low to inhibit (not kill) Staphylococcus aureus, but possibly high enough to kill healthy gut flora. LD50 in rats is 165 mg/kg, so assuming humans react similarly (rats tend to be more resistant to toxins than humans), the lethal dose in a 70 kg human, would be about 12000 mg, or 12 grams, which is about 80 times the recommended dose of 150 mg (15 drops at 10mg per drop). This estimate is supported by Lee Hesselink, MD who states that " In a suicide attempt 10g of sodium chlorite (NaClO2) taken orally caused refractory methemoglobinemia and nearly fatal kidney failure. " http://bioredox. mysite.com/ CLOXhtml/ CLOXilus. htm However, Dr Hesselink fails to provide any estimate of the concentration of sodium chlorite or chlorine dioxide necessary to kill malaria plasmodia. So the amount of MMS required to achieve a blood concentration high enough to kill Staph is dangerously close to the lethal dose. Most drugs have a 10-fold or greater safety margin. Even a drug like acetaminophen which often causes liver failure in overdose has a 15-fold safety margin, normal dose 1 gram, maxium dose that causes liver damage 15 grams. In practice, as not all the sodium chlorite will be converted to chlorine dioxide, and not all the chlorine dioxide will be absorbed, the blood concentrations achievable with the prescribed 15 drops are likely to be much lower than I calculated. I can't see any way that MMS can kill pathogens at a dose that would not make a person very ill. Compare that to dicloxacillin, which has a MIC for Staphylococcus aureus of about 2 micrograms per ml = 2 mg/l = 0.2 mg per 100 ml = 0.0002% http://www.drugs. com/pro/dicloxac illin.html Assuming a dose of 250 mg and a blood volume of 5 litres, that gives a concentration of 50 mg/l which is 25 times higher than the MIC for Staphylococcus aureus. So dicloxacillin is 25 times more potent against Staph than MMS. Dicloxacillin is also far less toxic - 21 times less toxic in rats - oral LD50 in rat is 3579 mg/kg as opposed to MMS LD50 of 165 mg/kg. That makes a lethal dose of dicloxacillin in a 70 kg human about 250 grams, as opposed to 12 grams of MMS, assuming humans and rats are equally susceptible to both substances. http://www.drugbank .ca/drugs/ DB00485 Preoperative prophylactic doses of 2 grams dicloxacillin are common. I imagine 2 grams of MMS, or 200 drops, would make you very sick indeed, as most people seem unable to tolerate 15 drops without vomiting. It strikes me as odd that some people who are concerned about tiny traces of toxins in food, cosmetics and vaccines, and avoid pharmaceutical drugs, are willing to ingest large doses of untested toxic industrial chemicals like MMS and OSR#1. By the way, I chose Staph. aureus and dicloxacillin randomly. I'm sure other pathogens and antibiotics would give similar results. H ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Just go to his training seminar in Dominican Republic that should settle the question for you. paul Re: [beck-n-stuff] The Health Wyze Report Update: The Debatebetween HealthWyze.org and Jim Humble about whether M.M.S. is a FraudSome thoughts about MMS:No one seems to have been able to confirm the claims that MMS cures malaria. I spent some time a couple of years ago trying to confirm Humble's claims about his work in Malawi without success. The HealthWyze report posted shows that Humble's photos of himself with malaria patients in Malawi have clearly been faked. The bottom line is I can't find any evidence that a single person anywhere has ever been cured of malaria with MMS. After 3 years if it worked you would expect it to have spread throughout Africa and other malaria-infested areas of the world. It hasn't.Chlorine dioxide is a strong oxidising agent, which may account for the idea that it provides the body with oxygen. It doesn't, neither does sodium chlorite - even if the chlorite is reduced completely to chloride, the by-products will be hydroxide OH- not oxygen, like this ClO2- + 2H2O + 4e- --> Cl- + 4OH-. In chemistry an oxidising agent is one that grabs electrons from other substances - oxidation is electron loss, reduction is electron gain. So in the body chlorine dioxide (ClO2) will be reduced back to chlorite (ClO2-) in this reaction ClO2(aq) + e- = ClO2- . If the electron donor happens to be an essential part of a human cell, it will be damaged, if it happens to be some genetic material, it could cause cancer. As blood pH is 7.4, most chlorine dioxide will convert back to chlorite but some will also convert to chlorate (ClO3-) and chloride (Cl-). There's a good account of the chemistry of chlorine dioxide here: www.epa.gov/ ogwdw000/ mdbp/pdf/ alter/chapt_ 4.pdfI calculate that the dose of MMS required to achieve blood concentrations of chlorine dioxide required to kill any pathogens is going to be a toxic, close to lethal dose.Since MMS is 28% sodium chlorite that's 28 grams in 100 ml0.28 grams or 280 milligrams in 1 ml There are about 28 drops in 1 mlSo 1 drop contains about 10 mg sodium chloriteAssume a blood volume of 5 litres and that all the sodium chlorite ends up converted to chlorine dioxide and dissolved in the blood (in fact only a small percentage is likely to end up in the blood)1 drop of MMS, or 10 mg sodium chlorite diluted in 5 litres2 mg per litre 0.002 grams per litre 0.0002 grams per 100 mlWhich is a 0.0002% solution 15 drops would be a 0.003% solution (a little lower than that when converted to chlorine dioxide, and a lot lower when you consider that not all will be absorbed, but I'll ignore that) http://iadr. confex.com/ iadr/2008Toronto /techprogram/ abstract_ 105534.htm"In MIC test the lowest MIC value of chlorine dioxide gel (0.02% w/v) was obtained for S. aureus, S. mitis and S. constellatus. The other bacteria and pool samples of dental biofilm indicated slightly higher MIC values (0.2% w/v)" MIC = minimum inhibitory concentrationFor other "friendly" bacteria the MIC was between 10 ppm (for Bacillus subtilis) and 125 ppm (for Lactobacillus plantarum).http://www.scielo. br/scielo. php?script= sci_arttext<http://www.scielo. br/scielo. php?script= sci_arttext & pid=S1517- 83822008000200 026> & pid=S1517-83822008 000200026 10 ppm = 10 mg/l = 1 mg per 100 ml = 0.001 g per 100 ml = 0.001%125 ppm = 125 mg/l = 12.5 mg per 100 ml = 0.0125 g per 100 ml = 0.0125% It is worth noting that chlorine dioxide is an irritant at levels as low as 0.1 ppm.http://msds. chem.ox.ac. uk/CH/chlorine_ dioxide.htmlSo if you ingested 15 drops of MMS, assuming that all of it was converted into chlorine dioxide and absorbed into the bloodstream, the concentration would be at least 10 times and more likely 100 times too low to inhibit (not kill) Staphylococcus aureus, but possibly high enough to kill healthy gut flora.LD50 in rats is 165 mg/kg, so assuming humans react similarly (rats tend to be more resistant to toxins than humans), the lethal dose in a 70 kg human, would be about 12000 mg, or 12 grams, which is about 80 times the recommended dose of 150 mg (15 drops at 10mg per drop). This estimate is supported by Lee Hesselink, MD who states that "In a suicide attempt 10g of sodium chlorite (NaClO2) taken orally caused refractory methemoglobinemia and nearly fatal kidney failure."http://bioredox. mysite.com/ CLOXhtml/ CLOXilus. htmHowever, Dr Hesselink fails to provide any estimate of the concentration of sodium chlorite or chlorine dioxide necessary to kill malaria plasmodia.So the amount of MMS required to achieve a blood concentration high enough to kill Staph is dangerously close to the lethal dose. Most drugs have a 10-fold or greater safety margin. Even a drug like acetaminophen which often causes liver failure in overdose has a 15-fold safety margin, normal dose 1 gram, maxium dose that causes liver damage 15 grams. In practice, as not all the sodium chlorite will be converted to chlorine dioxide, and not all the chlorine dioxide will be absorbed, the blood concentrations achievable with the prescribed 15 drops are likely to be much lower than I calculated. I can't see any way that MMS can kill pathogens at a dose that would not make a person very ill.Compare that to dicloxacillin, which has a MIC for Staphylococcus aureus of about 2 micrograms per ml = 2 mg/l = 0.2 mg per 100 ml = 0.0002%http://www.drugs. com/pro/dicloxac illin.htmlAssuming a dose of 250 mg and a blood volume of 5 litres, that gives a concentration of 50 mg/l which is 25 times higher than the MIC for Staphylococcus aureus.So dicloxacillin is 25 times more potent against Staph than MMS.Dicloxacillin is also far less toxic - 21 times less toxic in rats - oral LD50 in rat is 3579 mg/kg as opposed to MMS LD50 of 165 mg/kg. That makes a lethal dose of dicloxacillin in a 70 kg human about 250 grams, as opposed to 12 grams of MMS, assuming humans and rats are equally susceptible to both substances.http://www.drugbank .ca/drugs/ DB00485Preoperative prophylactic doses of 2 grams dicloxacillin are common. I imagine 2 grams of MMS, or 200 drops, would make you very sick indeed, as most people seem unable to tolerate 15 drops without vomiting.It strikes me as odd that some people who are concerned about tiny traces of toxins in food, cosmetics and vaccines, and avoid pharmaceutical drugs, are willing to ingest large doses of untested toxic industrial chemicals like MMS and OSR#1.By the way, I chose Staph. aureus and dicloxacillin randomly. I'm sure other pathogens and antibiotics would give similar results. H----------No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3061 - Release Date: 08/09/1019:35:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Just go to his training seminar in Dominican Republic that should settle the question for you. paul Right…that statement doesn’t even make sense. Airfare + 750 for the ‘training’ seminar. The question should be able to be settled with the results we are seeing here. And who’s to say you would even get a straight answer. is not the only one who has tried to verify the miracles in Africa. If is it that much of a miracle and Africa does not have the restrictions we have then why is it not the biggest news on the scene. Hundreds of thousands…where are they? Aids cured…where are they. I have a friend in Africa and she reports to me AIDS is steadily on the rise. Does she live in the wrong part of Africa? Plus, and this is purely thru the grapevine so not gonna debate or say source… Several upper level key members have been watching this thread, had questions for Jim and were not satisfied with his answers…have left the organization. Like I said, thru the grapevine but comes from a source that I trust who passed along info to me who said ‘this is thru the grapevine’ but is in a good position to know the grapevine close to Jim’s organization. I do not believe Jim is being persecuted. I believe if this was the miracle cure it is touted to be we would be seeing more success here. I’ve used it on animals here with cancer, followed the protocols Jim recommended and did not cure one cancer…NOT ONE. On my health forum we have seen some success with the dilute SC water…some nice success. Not cancer cures but general improvements for various situations. I believe that there is benefit in using SC or ASC judiciously. I believe there is a lot to be discovered. I want to explore ways it can be used to restore health. Ignoring the chemistry of SC or ASC is a personal choice. Taking on faith it never harms friendly flora, biofilm, does perhaps massive oxidative damage is a personal choice. Most of us here are wanting to learn about SC or ASC from all aspects. The days of words like ‘miracle’ cure are past. For me personally now when someone uses the word miracle in a cure is the first red flag. There are many beneficial protocols to be explored. The trend I am seeing is less that we jump from one ‘miracle’ to the next and study each protocol in depth taking into consideration benefits and contraindications. From my viewpoint Jim is not into exploration he just wants to you accept what he says without question. The hundreds of thousands reported cured…where are the statistics. What hospitals (not just the small hosp of the Lutherans), durning what time frame, how many treated. How many treatment facilities are going on now, how many treated monthly and statistics of ‘cure’ not only for malaria but AIDS and cancer. Where are the letters pouring in from all these clinics in Africa with the good news? The latest email from Jim, received yesterday (even tho I have unsubbed several times from the promos) wants to know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, We are very close to completing a Special Report and potentially new service for Jim Humble and MMS users. As you already know, Jim is a very sought after man which means that keeping the lines of communication open for everyone are not always easy. In an effort to improve communication and information regarding MMS, we have put together this short survey. Before we finalize everything we need to make sure we have covered everything. That is where you come in...please take a few minutes to answer this super-short survey- there are only two questions we need you to answer. 1. If you could communicate directly with Jim Humble, what information would you like to receive regularly? 2. If you had a personalized service that offered direct communication with Jim regarding your specific MMS questions, how much would you be willing to pay monthly? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you tell me, if this ‘miracle’ that is reported to cure 97% of all disease in hours or days…why would we need a service like the above? For the 3% that are not cured in hours or days? The dots don’t connect, have never connected. The basis for forming his church, the dots don’t connect. There is no church standing, even with high powered lawyers, that would let ‘Ministers of Health’ give an illegal substance (if SC were to be made illegal) to ppl on the street, esp babies, children and pregnant women. In order for church protection to using ‘illegal’ substances in worship or magic rituals it is clearly defined. I outlined that in a previous post. Sometimes the point is missed…if it did cure 97% of all disease (in hours or days) then 97% of the members on this list present and deceased would have been cured. It is that simple. Members that have been taking it for maintenance would never get any other disease (except the 3% that is does not cure). We have not seen that here or on any of the other list where it is being used. Everyone that comes here for ppl or animal health issues, with the exception of the 3%, would take the protocol and be cured. Don’t know why you can’t see that…just don’t know why. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Once posting with this group the comment forum may support more negative? If reading this and have had a positive experience, or negative, post your experiences please. There are many testimony on this blog, from everyday people. http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/02/fda-warns-against-using-miracle-mi\ neral-solution/ --- In , " palulukon " <palulukon@...> wrote: > > Just go to his training seminar in Dominican Republic that should settle > the question for you. paul > > Right.that statement doesn't even make sense. Airfare + 750 for the > 'training' seminar. The question should be able to be settled with the > results we are seeing here. > > And who's to say you would even get a straight answer. > > is not the only one who has tried to verify the miracles in Africa. If > is it that much of a miracle and Africa does not have the restrictions we > have then why is it not the biggest news on the scene. Hundreds of > thousands.where are they? Aids cured.where are they. I have a friend in > Africa and she reports to me AIDS is steadily on the rise. Does she live in > the wrong part of Africa? > > Plus, and this is purely thru the grapevine so not gonna debate or say > source. > > Several upper level key members have been watching this thread, had > questions for Jim and were not satisfied with his answers.have left the > organization. > > Like I said, thru the grapevine but comes from a source that I trust who > passed along info to me who said 'this is thru the grapevine' but is in a > good position to know the grapevine close to Jim's organization. > > I do not believe Jim is being persecuted. I believe if this was the miracle > cure it is touted to be we would be seeing more success here. I've used it > on animals here with cancer, followed the protocols Jim recommended and did > not cure one cancer.NOT ONE. > > On my health forum we have seen some success with the dilute SC water.some > nice success. Not cancer cures but general improvements for various > situations. > > I believe that there is benefit in using SC or ASC judiciously. I believe > there is a lot to be discovered. I want to explore ways it can be used to > restore health. > > Ignoring the chemistry of SC or ASC is a personal choice. Taking on faith > it never harms friendly flora, biofilm, does perhaps massive oxidative > damage is a personal choice. > > Most of us here are wanting to learn about SC or ASC from all aspects. The > days of words like 'miracle' cure are past. For me personally now when > someone uses the word miracle in a cure is the first red flag. There are > many beneficial protocols to be explored. The trend I am seeing is less > that we jump from one 'miracle' to the next and study each protocol in depth > taking into consideration benefits and contraindications. From my viewpoint > Jim is not into exploration he just wants to you accept what he says without > question. The hundreds of thousands reported cured.where are the > statistics. What hospitals (not just the small hosp of the Lutherans), > durning what time frame, how many treated. How many treatment facilities > are going on now, how many treated monthly and statistics of 'cure' not only > for malaria but AIDS and cancer. Where are the letters pouring in from all > these clinics in Africa with the good news? > > The latest email from Jim, received yesterday (even tho I have unsubbed > several times from the promos) wants to know > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hi, > > We are very close to completing a Special Report and > > potentially new service for Jim Humble and MMS users. > > As you already know, Jim is a very sought after man > > which means that keeping the lines of communication > > open for everyone are not always easy. > > > > In an effort to improve communication and information > > regarding MMS, we have put together this short survey. > > Before we finalize everything we need to make sure we > > have covered everything. > > > > That is where you come in...please take a few minutes to > > answer this super-short survey- there are only two > > questions we need you to answer. > > 1. If you could communicate directly with Jim Humble, what information would > you like to receive regularly? > > 2. If you had a personalized service that offered direct communication with > Jim regarding your specific MMS questions, how much would you be willing to > pay monthly? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Now you tell me, if this 'miracle' that is reported to cure 97% of all > disease in hours or days.why would we need a service like the above? For > the 3% that are not cured in hours or days? > > The dots don't connect, have never connected. > > The basis for forming his church, the dots don't connect. There is no church > standing, even with high powered lawyers, that would let 'Ministers of > Health' give an illegal substance (if SC were to be made illegal) to ppl on > the street, esp babies, children and pregnant women. In order for church > protection to using 'illegal' substances in worship or magic rituals it is > clearly defined. I outlined that in a previous post. > > Sometimes the point is missed.if it did cure 97% of all disease (in hours or > days) then 97% of the members on this list present and deceased would have > been cured. It is that simple. Members that have been taking it for > maintenance would never get any other disease (except the 3% that is does > not cure). We have not seen that here or on any of the other list where it > is being used. Everyone that comes here for ppl or animal health issues, > with the exception of the 3%, would take the protocol and be cured. > > Don't know why you can't see that.just don't know why. > > rose > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hi Rose, The Question makes total sense, regardless if one has the money or not, being at the seminar would definately answer those questions in my opinion. If we went by results here, I think that mms overwhelmingly has won its case. The facts are that because noboby really knows who is who in this group, and who they really represent., weather Big Pharma or Jim. The only SURE way to find out if the claims are true is to try it yourself., or go to the seminar in DR. Jim said that after the seminar they go into the villages there or in Haiti to treat the people. To me everything else is just pure speculation and chatter. Blessings paul RE: [ ] Re: MMS debate Just go to his training seminar in Dominican Republic that should settle the question for you. paul Right…that statement doesn’t even make sense. Airfare + 750 for the ‘training’ seminar. The question should be able to be settled with the results we are seeing here. And who’s to say you would even get a straight answer. is not the only one who has tried to verify the miracles in Africa. If is it that much of a miracle and Africa does not have the restrictions we have then why is it not the biggest news on the scene. Hundreds of thousands…where are they? Aids cured…where are they. I have a friend in Africa and she reports to me AIDS is steadily on the rise. Does she live in the wrong part of Africa? Plus, and this is purely thru the grapevine so not gonna debate or say source… Several upper level key members have been watching this thread, had questions for Jim and were not satisfied with his answers…have left the organization. Like I said, thru the grapevine but comes from a source that I trust who passed along info to me who said ‘this is thru the grapevine’ but is in a good position to know the grapevine close to Jim’s organization. I do not believe Jim is being persecuted. I believe if this was the miracle cure it is touted to be we would be seeing more success here. I’ve used it on animals here with cancer, followed the protocols Jim recommended and did not cure one cancer…NOT ONE. On my health forum we have seen some success with the dilute SC water…some nice success. Not cancer cures but general improvements for various situations. I believe that there is benefit in using SC or ASC judiciously. I believe there is a lot to be discovered. I want to explore ways it can be used to restore health. Ignoring the chemistry of SC or ASC is a personal choice. Taking on faith it never harms friendly flora, biofilm, does perhaps massive oxidative damage is a personal choice. Most of us here are wanting to learn about SC or ASC from all aspects. The days of words like ‘miracle’ cure are past. For me personally now when someone uses the word miracle in a cure is the first red flag. There are many beneficial protocols to be explored. The trend I am seeing is less that we jump from one ‘miracle’ to the next and study each protocol in depth taking into consideration benefits and contraindications. From my viewpoint Jim is not into exploration he just wants to you accept what he says without question. The hundreds of thousands reported cured…where are the statistics. What hospitals (not just the small hosp of the Lutherans), durning what time frame, how many treated. How many treatment facilities are going on now, how many treated monthly and statistics of ‘cure’ not only for malaria but AIDS and cancer. Where are the letters pouring in from all these clinics in Africa with the good news? The latest email from Jim, received yesterday (even tho I have unsubbed several times from the promos) wants to know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, We are very close to completing a Special Report and potentially new service for Jim Humble and MMS users. As you already know, Jim is a very sought after man which means that keeping the lines of communication open for everyone are not always easy. In an effort to improve communication and information regarding MMS, we have put together this short survey. Before we finalize everything we need to make sure we have covered everything. That is where you come in...please take a few minutes to answer this super-short survey- there are only two questions we need you to answer. 1. If you could communicate directly with Jim Humble, what information would you like to receive regularly? 2. If you had a personalized service that offered direct communication with Jim regarding your specific MMS questions, how much would you be willing to pay monthly? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you tell me, if this ‘miracle’ that is reported to cure 97% of all disease in hours or days…why would we need a service like the above? For the 3% that are not cured in hours or days? The dots don’t connect, have never connected. The basis for forming his church, the dots don’t connect. There is no church standing, even with high powered lawyers, that would let ‘Ministers of Health’ give an illegal substance (if SC were to be made illegal) to ppl on the street, esp babies, children and pregnant women. In order for church protection to using ‘illegal’ substances in worship or magic rituals it is clearly defined. I outlined that in a previous post. Sometimes the point is missed…if it did cure 97% of all disease (in hours or days) then 97% of the members on this list present and deceased would have been cured. It is that simple. Members that have been taking it for maintenance would never get any other disease (except the 3% that is does not cure). We have not seen that here or on any of the other list where it is being used. Everyone that comes here for ppl or animal health issues, with the exception of the 3%, would take the protocol and be cured. Don’t know why you can’t see that…just don’t know why. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Jim said that after the seminar they go into the villages there or in Haiti to treat the people. Right, the week after the seminar. That’s another 250$. If you want Jim’s personal attention to your health question it’s 400$ a day with a three day min. does 1200$ seem high to anyone but me for ‘take this many drops’? The facts are that because noboby really knows who is who in this group, and who they really represent., weather Big Pharma or Jim. Don’t you think that is a rather limited choice, and imho a bit veiled…Big Pharma or Jim? I don’t represent either, I’m here to learn about the chemistry of the substance and possible protocols that would help without damaging sensitive tissues. Tom or certainly don’t represent Jim…so, um, what does that make them if there are only two choices? To me everything else is just pure speculation and chatter K, I have a sanctuary for special needs beast. We are federally recognized, tax exempt, and state licensed as a Humane Society. Animals that come to us have cancer, feline infectious peritonitis, parvo, feluk to name a few. I have yet to pull off more than one miraculous cure. Is that pure speculation and chatter? I have found it to help with some upper respiratory infections (in the 5% unactivated form), my friend who runs a county shelter stopped kennel cough in 4 days with the dilute form of SC, unactivated. When he got really sick with a flu bug that was going around last year SC in any form was not able to touch it and believe me he tried. My neighbor bob had stage 4 bladder cancer. With baking soda/maple syrup and ASC he was ‘cured’. However, now on maintenance dose if he runs out of SC for a week he is bedridden and in terrible pain. Is that pure speculation and chatter? I could go on and on about the trials and results so far. I am seeing some promise, at least with the less serious conditions. I did have a pup that was on deaths door with some sudden unknown gut thing…I gave him enough ASC to stop a freight train…he survived. When he came down again with similar symptoms 6 months later he was gone in 24 hours and believe me I gave him a lot. So, it worked the first time but not the second. Were they the same condition, have not a clue. What I do know is it worked the first time and this pup was absolutely the love of my life. When he got sick again I thought no prob, I know how to handle this and did exactly what I did before. I watched him fade before my eyes. Then again, just more speculation and chatter right? When Jim says 97% of ALL DISEASE…IN HOURS OR DAYS CURED…it does not hold up at our sanctuary. But since we spend our days speculating and chattering how can we be a viable resource of information rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Rose You have not had the luck we have. Here in the countryside many have used MMS with great success, from lyme to feline leukemia, to abscesses from bites. --- In , " palulukon " <palulukon@...> wrote: > > > > Jim said that after the seminar they go into the villages there or in Haiti > to treat the people. > > Right, the week after the seminar. That's another 250$. If you want Jim's > personal attention to your health question it's 400$ a day with a three day > min. does 1200$ seem high to anyone but me for 'take this many drops'? > > The facts are that because noboby really knows who is who in this group, and > who they really represent., weather Big Pharma or Jim. > > Don't you think that is a rather limited choice, and imho a bit veiled.Big > Pharma or Jim? I don't represent either, I'm here to learn about the > chemistry of the substance and possible protocols that would help without > damaging sensitive tissues. Tom or certainly don't represent > Jim.so, um, what does that make them if there are only two choices? > > To me everything else is just pure speculation and chatter > > K, I have a sanctuary for special needs beast. We are federally recognized, > tax exempt, and state licensed as a Humane Society. Animals that come to us > have cancer, feline infectious peritonitis, parvo, feluk to name a few. I > have yet to pull off more than one miraculous cure. Is that pure > speculation and chatter? I have found it to help with some upper > respiratory infections (in the 5% unactivated form), my friend who runs a > county shelter stopped kennel cough in 4 days with the dilute form of SC, > unactivated. When he got really sick with a flu bug that was going around > last year SC in any form was not able to touch it and believe me he tried. > My neighbor bob had stage 4 bladder cancer. With baking soda/maple syrup > and ASC he was 'cured'. However, now on maintenance dose if he runs out of > SC for a week he is bedridden and in terrible pain. Is that pure > speculation and chatter? I could go on and on about the trials and results > so far. I am seeing some promise, at least with the less serious > conditions. I did have a pup that was on deaths door with some sudden > unknown gut thing.I gave him enough ASC to stop a freight train.he survived. > When he came down again with similar symptoms 6 months later he was gone in > 24 hours and believe me I gave him a lot. So, it worked the first time but > not the second. Were they the same condition, have not a clue. What I do > know is it worked the first time and this pup was absolutely the love of my > life. When he got sick again I thought no prob, I know how to handle this > and did exactly what I did before. I watched him fade before my eyes. Then > again, just more speculation and chatter right? > > When Jim says 97% of ALL DISEASE.IN HOURS OR DAYS CURED.it does not hold up > at our sanctuary. > > But since we spend our days speculating and chattering how can we be a > viable resource of information > > rose > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Rose, all of what you posted could be false. we cant confirm it, just like what you said about Jim in africa, you said we cant verify the miracles,thats true also. As far as the seminar he has a money back gaurantee its at www.new-planet.net/wp/jim-humbles-mms-newsletter-to-heal-the-world/. so if it didnt work all you pay if airfare. It's the only way for someone to trully know if it works. These posts are maybe alright to get a little info. but to trust it with my life. I would rather go to the DR and remove all doubt. paul RE: [ ] Re: MMS debate Jim said that after the seminar they go into the villages there or in Haiti to treat the people. Right, the week after the seminar. That’s another 250$. If you want Jim’s personal attention to your health question it’s 400$ a day with a three day min. does 1200$ seem high to anyone but me for ‘take this many drops’? The facts are that because noboby really knows who is who in this group, and who they really represent., weather Big Pharma or Jim. Don’t you think that is a rather limited choice, and imho a bit veiled…Big Pharma or Jim? I don’t represent either, I’m here to learn about the chemistry of the substance and possible protocols that would help without damaging sensitive tissues. Tom or certainly don’t represent Jim…so, um, what does that make them if there are only two choices? To me everything else is just pure speculation and chatter K, I have a sanctuary for special needs beast. We are federally recognized, tax exempt, and state licensed as a Humane Society. Animals that come to us have cancer, feline infectious peritonitis, parvo, feluk to name a few. I have yet to pull off more than one miraculous cure. Is that pure speculation and chatter? I have found it to help with some upper respiratory infections (in the 5% unactivated form), my friend who runs a county shelter stopped kennel cough in 4 days with the dilute form of SC, unactivated. When he got really sick with a flu bug that was going around last year SC in any form was not able to touch it and believe me he tried. My neighbor bob had stage 4 bladder cancer. With baking soda/maple syrup and ASC he was ‘cured’. However, now on maintenance dose if he runs out of SC for a week he is bedridden and in terrible pain. Is that pure speculation and chatter? I could go on and on about the trials and results so far. I am seeing some promise, at least with the less serious conditions. I did have a pup that was on deaths door with some sudden unknown gut thing…I gave him enough ASC to stop a freight train…he survived. When he came down again with similar symptoms 6 months later he was gone in 24 hours and believe me I gave him a lot. So, it worked the first time but not the second. Were they the same condition, have not a clue. What I do know is it worked the first time and this pup was absolutely the love of my life. When he got sick again I thought no prob, I know how to handle this and did exactly what I did before. I watched him fade before my eyes. Then again, just more speculation and chatter right? When Jim says 97% of ALL DISEASE…IN HOURS OR DAYS CURED…it does not hold up at our sanctuary. But since we spend our days speculating and chattering how can we be a viable resource of information rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 from lyme to feline leukemia the chemist I got my SC from, before I even knew beans about Jim, said it would cure feluk in 24 hours. Can you tell me the protocol your friends use? Have any of them had any success with FIP? SC or ASC so far has not touched it. We see more than our fair share of FIP, not the wet form, the dry form. Comes with kitties that were usually declawed and s/n at the same time, young age. FIP is caused by a corona virus which most cats are exposed to and can mutate under stress. Kitties coming to us declaw, elderly, huge abdomen are usually FIP in remission till stress (being dumped at shelter) reactivates it. SC and ASC have no effect what so ever. SC works quite well on ringworm topical application, which is no surprise, it's a relatively easy fungus. Sure, works on most abscesses quite well. The again so does colloidal silver (work on ringworm and abscesses) we don’t have any lyme to test ASC on. Thankfully only one case many years ago, Sadie, great dane. Sure I would have given her anything, did at the time (before SC), nothing touched it. That is wonderful it has helped with your lyme and neighbors lyme. I read on other forums lyme ppl are not having the same success with ASC as you (and yours) so I is an individual situation. Someone with lyme needs to be aware, not a miracle, may or may not work. For those it does work I can’t even imagine the relief. I’m so happy you have found relief. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rose, all of what you posted could be false. we cant confirm it, just like what you said about Jim in africa, you said we cant verify the miracles,thats true also. .. These posts are maybe alright to get a little info. but to trust it with my life. I would rather go to the DR and remove all doubt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well you know what , going to DR, giving it to some folks, they feel better, is not proof either. Lets drop the malaria issue and go right to aids (which Jim says ASC cures) if they have AIDS, an inexpensive HIV antibody test is the most appropriate test for routine diagnosis of HIV among adults. Does not require sending sample to laboratory. It will need to be run several times after treatment to be sure. You let us know the results K? So you go to DR, see some folks feel better, proves nothing. Then again if you are doing field work in clinics that have data records, can verify those records great. See , you say to me I could be posting false information and it can't be verified. Now I could take these kitties for test, administer SC or ASC, retest... more than one retest will be needed to pronounce 'cure'...but I'm doing it just like ole Jim. He gives ASC, says well, they feel better...cured. I'm giving ASC going still feels like shit (or dead)... not cured. You apply a double standard but I'm not surprised rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hi Rose, I agree. If it were true, then cancer, hiv, cfs, lymes, and any other serious or even not so serious illness would be the exception rather than the rule. Diseases would only be 3% of the population. Happy for those that it does work for, but look at the facts folks. Gail --- In , " palulukon " <palulukon@...> wrote: > > > When Jim says 97% of ALL DISEASE.IN HOURS OR DAYS CURED.it does not hold up > at our sanctuary. > > > rose > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Ah Gail...someone else who can read *smile* Let's take parvo as an example. Several years ago parvo was sweeping the area. It does that from time to time. I used parvaid, Ambertec, worked like a 'miracle'. I was elated to find a solution. Imagine my surprise when it didn't work later on. On the CS list Bradley post a tried and true remedy for parvo. We on the list admire and respect , part of a private research foundation. Used protocol on parvo, worked, worked several times. Then there came a time when it did not work. So what are the variables? That is where the chemistry comes in. the only chemistry I know about parvo is from Tom's post and I'm still piecing that together...like are some guts more populated with the virus, did it work with or Parvaid when the concentration of parvo was a certain percentage and when it crossed that threshold the protocols don't work or is it the individuals chemistry, how it processes either protocols? I don't know, that's why I ask Tom. Have yet to find one thing that works every time, the ratio of success seems consistent with any protocol (that does work at all). I'm glad to have SC as part of my arsenal but does it cure 97% in hours or days. Not what I've seen but then I just speculate and chatter. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hi again, Rose. That's because that statement is simply not true. That's the bottom line. If it were, you would have had the desired results. Obviously, it does do something or people would not have had the successes they have had, but it's naive to believe the 97% cure rate. Then again, people with serious illnesses want to believe, and I can't say as I blame them. Truth is always clear and simple. Will stand on it's own and doesn't need a bunch of words to make it sound true. Take care, Gail --- In , " palulukon " <palulukon@...> wrote: > > but does it cure 97% in hours or days. Not what I've > seen but then I just speculate and chatter. > > rose > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Gail facts are how many have really treated with mms of course there is still disease??? And with the fda and their warning even less may try mms. --- In , " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@...> wrote: > > > Hi Rose, > > I agree. If it were true, then cancer, hiv, cfs, lymes, and any other serious or even not so serious illness would be the exception rather than the rule. Diseases would only be 3% of the population. > > Happy for those that it does work for, but look at the facts folks. > > Gail > --- In , " palulukon " <palulukon@> wrote: > > > > > > When Jim says 97% of ALL DISEASE.IN HOURS OR DAYS CURED.it does not hold up > > at our sanctuary. > > > > > > rose > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Marie wrote… Gail facts are how many have really treated with mms of course there is still disease??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What she is saying,,,,within the mms population (those using mms) there should only be 3% with dis/ease, which of course is not what we are seeing. Anyone within the mms population should have been ‘cured’ in a matter of hours or days (with the exception of the 3% ). This is why we are doing our best to figure out what works, what doesn’t work so we can use this protocol effectively. What we have been told is not the case so it is up to us to explore, compare, network to determine how to best utilize SC. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hi Rose, I would hope that if anyone would go there they would see people cured not just feel better. but with aids, there is no way to verify if a person does not have the aids virus, even with the antibody test. So in that regard there is no proof.However feeling much much better after the protocal is a Godsend for these people, as most were sent home to die. As far as your results with your cats, the many positive results clearly out number the negative ones concerning pets. Even if mms did not cure anything, the fact that people are feeling much better and moving forward with their lives is ok with me. paul RE: [ ] Re: MMS debate from lyme to feline leukemia the chemist I got my SC from, before I even knew beans about Jim, said it would cure feluk in 24 hours. Can you tell me the protocol your friends use? Have any of them had any success with FIP? SC or ASC so far has not touched it. We see more than our fair share of FIP, not the wet form, the dry form. Comes with kitties that were usually declawed and s/n at the same time, young age. FIP is caused by a corona virus which most cats are exposed to and can mutate under stress. Kitties coming to us declaw, elderly, huge abdomen are usually FIP in remission till stress (being dumped at shelter) reactivates it. SC and ASC have no effect what so ever. SC works quite well on ringworm topical application, which is no surprise, it's a relatively easy fungus. Sure, works on most abscesses quite well. The again so does colloidal silver (work on ringworm and abscesses) we don’t have any lyme to test ASC on. Thankfully only one case many years ago, Sadie, great dane. Sure I would have given her anything, did at the time (before SC), nothing touched it. That is wonderful it has helped with your lyme and neighbors lyme. I read on other forums lyme ppl are not having the same success with ASC as you (and yours) so I is an individual situation. Someone with lyme needs to be aware, not a miracle, may or may not work. For those it does work I can’t even imagine the relief. I’m so happy you have found relief. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rose, all of what you posted could be false. we cant confirm it, just like what you said about Jim in africa, you said we cant verify the miracles,thats true also. .. These posts are maybe alright to get a little info. but to trust it with my life. I would rather go to the DR and remove all doubt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well you know what , going to DR, giving it to some folks, they feel better, is not proof either. Lets drop the malaria issue and go right to aids (which Jim says ASC cures) if they have AIDS, an inexpensive HIV antibody test is the most appropriate test for routine diagnosis of HIV among adults. Does not require sending sample to laboratory. It will need to be run several times after treatment to be sure. You let us know the results K? So you go to DR, see some folks feel better, proves nothing. Then again if you are doing field work in clinics that have data records, can verify those records great. See , you say to me I could be posting false information and it can't be verified. Now I could take these kitties for test, administer SC or ASC, retest... more than one retest will be needed to pronounce 'cure'...but I'm doing it just like ole Jim. He gives ASC, says well, they feel better...cured. I'm giving ASC going still feels like shit (or dead)... not cured. You apply a double standard but I'm not surprised rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 How did you conclude that 97% aren't cured. paul RE: [ ] Re: MMS debate Marie wrote… Gail facts are how many have really treated with mms of course there is still disease??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What she is saying,,,,within the mms population (those using mms) there should only be 3% with dis/ease, which of course is not what we are seeing. Anyone within the mms population should have been ‘cured’ in a matter of hours or days (with the exception of the 3% ). This is why we are doing our best to figure out what works, what doesn’t work so we can use this protocol effectively. What we have been told is not the case so it is up to us to explore, compare, network to determine how to best utilize SC. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 How did you conclude that 97% aren't cured. paul Because I can count… rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 . but with aids, there is no way to verify if a person does not have the aids virus, even with the antibody test. So in that regard there is no proof. Ah, then saying they are cured is um, kinda a lie rose http://keelynet.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/mms-claimed-to-cure-aids-hepatitis-malaria-etcfree-ebook/ He had 100% cure rate of over 75,000 malaria patients and 388 out of 390 documented aids patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hi Rose, yes there was an assumption that because, those people, after being treated felt good, and returned to work that they had been cured, which I beleive was a mistake, but on the other hand, there is no proof that they are not cured either.But going from a death bed to going back to work in a few weeks still is remarkable. paul From: palulukon Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 2:41 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Re: MMS debate . but with aids, there is no way to verify if a person does not have the aids virus, even with the antibody test. So in that regard there is no proof. Ah, then saying they are cured is um, kinda a lie rose http://keelynet.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/mms-claimed-to-cure-aids-hepatitis-malaria-etcfree-ebook/ He had 100% cure rate of over 75,000 malaria patients and 388 out of 390 documented aids patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 What are you counting? RE: [ ] Re: MMS debate How did you conclude that 97% aren't cured. paul Because I can count… rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 said What are you counting? You’re serious aren’t you????? I give up We are complete rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 hi, my name is kevin and i would like to tell everyone about my experience with mms1 and allergies. i've had allergies for years now and i've been taking mms everyday for six months and once i started taking 6 to 10 drops every evening before bed my allergies were gone. i'm consistent and very serious about preventing colds flus and allergies and whatever else this diseased world has to offer. mms works so well when someone really uses it properly. YAHUAH[isaiah 42:8] our heavenly FATHER is the CREATOR of every good and perfect gift, scripture says exactly this, and mms is definitely a good and perfect gift when a person really uses it. happy sabbath[saturday] to all, and blessings in YAHUSHUAH'S name.[acts 4:12] if anyone is interested in the names i presented here in my testamony just ask and you shall recieve? From: Stauffer <gsgkill@...> group < >Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 8:31:10 PMSubject: [ ] MMS debate Email: Password: Not registered? Forgot Password?Home | Give Feedback | Donate | Register Folk Remedies and Holistic Cures - EARTHCLINIC.COM SEARCH Highlight search termsPowered by Google Web Earth Clinic HOME REMEDIES AILMENTS SUPPLEMENTS PETS MIND & BODY LATEST POSTS Table of Contents QUESTIONS & ANSWERS ALLERGIES BLEEDING GUMS COLDS DIGESTIVE ISSUES ENERGY GENERAL FEEDBACK HEAVY METAL DETOX HERPES HIV HIVES 1 2 3 MMS Cures Updated: 07/26/2010 Reported Cures and Side Effects from the supplement MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) MMS, or the Miracle Mineral Supplement, is a beverage product designed by former aerospace engineer, Jim Humble, who has tested the product in Malawi and other parts of Africa. Initially used to treat malaria, the manufacturer claims field-tested success in treating and reversing the effects of AIDS, malaria, hepatitis, herpes, tuberculosis, most cancers, and a host of other diseases.As always, Earth Clinic does not sell products of any kind, but we are always open to spreading the word about promising new treatments that have brought relief to members of our community. For more information about MMS, please visit the product website.DISCLAIMEROur readers offer information and opinions on Earth Clinic, not as a substitute for professional medical prevention, diagnosis, or treatment. Please consult with your physician, pharmacist, or health care provider before taking any home remedies or supplements or following any treatment suggested by anyone on this site. Only your health care provider, personal physician, or pharmacist can provide you with advice on what is safe and effective for your unique needs or diagnose your particular medical history. ALLERGIES 1 SIDE EFFECT [sIDE EFFECTS] 11/22/2009: Olga from Nutley, New Jersey, Usa writes: "Hi, did anybody try MMS to treat allergies? I've been using MMS as a spray on my skin for a week now, but I have a severe reaction. My skin gets irritated and is burning very badly. I'm using 20 drop solution in 2 oz. spray bottle. So I'm wondering, if anybody has treated allergies with MMS and if anybody has experienced a similar reaction like mine.Very grateful for response.Olga" 01/07/2010: Nnh from Boa, Uk replies: "I used MMS when I had allergies. Do not spray, just take them as per their instruction, mixed with juices or water. It helped me to detox but I also used other detox products such as raw vege/ fruit juices, raw vege and stay away from suger and processed food. Tap water is really bad. Find a better quality water. I hope it helps. I have now cleared allergies totally." 01/26/2010: Sal from Redondo Beach, Ca. Usa replies: "MMS is sodium hypo chloride, 2.85 mg in the human body, primarily in the cerbro spinal fluid.It may be injected into the blood . Bleach is sodium hypo chlorite, cannot be injected, poison. MMS is not particularly good for allergies because allergies are a reaction to undigested food proteins that have hit the histamine producing mast cells in a cell membrane. Most allergenic people are hypo chlorhydric. Improving digestion is most important.Digestive enzymes with HCL work better for allergies in most people.Be WellSal" 03/05/2010: Steve from Sebring, Florida Usa replies: "Hello, Actually, MMS is Sodium Chlorite. When activated with an acid, it creates chlorine dioxide. Sodium Hypochlorite is common bleach. Chlorine Dioxide kills pathogens and purifies water through oxidation, like Hydrogen Peroxide. Sodium Hypochlorite disinfects through chlorination. DO NOT TAKE SODIUM HYPOCHLORITE." BLEEDING GUMS 1 YEA [YEA] 09/04/2009: Halo from Salem, Ma writes: "mms cured my gums, but causes gas in my friend with cancer...mms at 10 drops with 50 drops of citric acid stopped my bleeding gums. i have a friend who is using it against cancer; shes taking it after her meals as Humble suggested, but shes suddenly getting alot of gas. anyone know why this would be? im wondering if its because this is somehow interfering with the regular absorption of her meal or if it has to do with bacteria being slayed?" 12/01/2009: Amber from Antigua, Guatemala replies: "I have read that gas is a result of the bacteria, microbes, parasites etc being killed off - so I see it as a good thing that she is experienceing this. Continue at the lowest dose your friend can tolerate without causing uncomfortable symptons. With MMS you shouldnt need to suffer - just cut back on the amount of drops ingested" 01/20/2010: Bob from Clearwater, Fl replies: "Jim Humble states clearly many times on his websites that MMS should not be taken with a meal, but only an hour or more before or after." 04/14/2010: Ben from Seneca, Sc replies: "MMS works best on an empty stomach, so I'd suggest to wait about 2 hours after your last meal before drinking mms, or do it first thing in the morning as I do. From my experience it takes about 15minutes for mms to reach the bloodstream (I feel like someone turned up the heat inside my body by a few degree, which lasts about 30min). So, I assume to start eating or drinking whatever you want should be ok after an hour or so. Ever since I take mms, I have not been sick whatsoever... fingers crossed :)" COLDS 2 YEA [YEA] 10/15/2009: Gean from Salina, Ks writes: "A few days ago I came down with a cold: - congested sinuses, sore throat, cough, tired. I took 6 drops of MMS, (activated with 1/2 teas. lemon juice, wait 3 min., add 1/2 cup water. Drink.) then an hour later another 6 drops. Went to bed. Next morning I was almost completely well, and about 24 hours later cold was gone.I have found that when I don't do MMS every day but save it for when I really do get sick, I don't get nauseated and it really helps. I get more nauseated if I keep taking it day after day "whether I need it or not". I probably will start doing the 6 drops and another 6 drops an hour later on a weekly basis, since I find I feel fantastic, like it really cleansed me or something. Not more often than that though." [YEA] 12/15/2008: from Tucson, AZ writes: "I would like to know what people think of this stuff besides myself - it cured my cold in a day and a half, it is said to kill all the bugs in your body that does not belong there." DIGESTIVE ISSUES 1 SIDE EFFECT [sIDE EFFECTS] 05/11/2009: Steve Ballan from Detroil, MI USA writes: "MMS Pros and Cons:Hello, I can see by reading these posts that people used to think like me 6 years ago -- after 6 years of herx reactions - yes, 6 years and maybe 50 herx reactions I finally figured out my elimination system is absolutely plugged with pathogens - I got on a homeopathic___ Detox Kit for liver, kidney and lymphatic and carry a water bottle with me 24-7 drinking 4 ounces of alkaline water with some greens and lemon juice. Now I am finally getting some headway with 3 drops of MMS per day. If my stomach is not better in 4-6 months will try mastic gum and manuka honey, and maybe nano colloidal silver. Good luck!" 03/03/2010: Francois from East London, Eastern Cape replies: "Hi Steve,I would highly recommend that you also include raw veggie juicing in your diet and a good quality whey powder. If you're eating meat and processed foods the detox wont be effective, the only way to speed up healing reaction and initiate a healing crisis is to increase metabolic enzyme function, to do this the digestive system needs a break, try going vegetarian for a week, do a liver/gallbladder flush, and plenty veggie juices, also supplement with digestive enzymes between meals and take magnesium and zinc tabs this help the pancreas make more metabolic enzymes. H202 therapy will also stimulate lymph flow which will make the heel detox kit work better. good luck." ENERGY 1 YEA1 SIDE EFFECT [YEA] 06/02/2008: from Auckland, New Zealand writes: "My husband and I have been taking MMS for just over a week. We have tried all sorts of things for our health before, but this MMS has been the best so far. We started off with 2 drops + 5 drops citric acid + wait 3 minutes then added water. Almost straight away we felt something. It almost felt like we were "out of it". We could feel it moving around the body with obvious sensations. By that evening after having another 2 doses, our eyes felt like they were really wide open. Each day we have been increasing our dose. I got to 5 doses but then felt extremely nauseous and dizzy. So I cut back on the amount. We continue to take it and I am slowly increasing the doseage. We have incredible energy, like never before since taking MMS. My head experiences large moments of clarity instead of the foggy mist it normally feels like. I am very excited about it. My friend who had a sore tooth for quite awhile now, swirled it around in her mouth and straight away the pain went." [sIDE EFFECTS] 11/08/2008: Ann from Bastrop, Texas replies: "Diane, since your last post was in June of this year, please update us about your experience with MMS. My husband and I have just started this week. I made an error this morning, drinking coffee (no Vit. C) after my 3 drop mixture. BAD stomachache and nausea resulted! Crystallized ginger helped with the nausea, but my stomach is in a terrible knot after six hours." GENERAL FEEDBACK 2 YEA1 NAY1 BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS1 WARNING!1 SIDE EFFECT1 QUESTION 01/28/2010: Douggy from andria, Va, Usa writes: "I was informed by a friend about MMS. His Chiropractor was diagnosed with a rare skin cancer. They looked like several beige circles. He said that chiropractor was drinking 11 drops of MMS everyday for six months and that his skin cancer is total gone. My friend who has the same skin cancer started drinking it for 30 days and his physicians said that they noticed that his skin lesions look lighter. He has continued his use of MMS. I read somewhere on Humble's website that the new protocol is to drink 2 drops of MMS every two hours for (8-10 hours) daily. I also read that to get rid of the HIV virus, one had to drink 3 drops of MMS every hour for 8-10 hours for 3.5 weeks. Has anyone done this? Does anyone know "personally" of anyone who has been cured of AIDS/HIV with MMS or any other regiment? Looking for real answers, please." 01/23/2010: Norman from , New Zealand writes: "Hi. I have just read a report in the Sunday Star Times Jan 24th, titled Miracle Chemical Dubbed a Danger. For those of us who are unqualified to comment, but read these articles with interest it appears to be similar to Hydrogen Peroxide in claiming what it can achieve. Is it the same as H.P. ?. It is certainly getting a bad press from a Doctor in Dunedin, New Zealand, Dr Trotman. If you would like me to send you a copy of this report please forward your e-mail. I would appreciate your feedback on this." EC: Link to the article if anyone is interested: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/3257504/Miracle-chemical-dubbed-a-danger 04/22/2010: Jeffism from Madison, Wi replies: "OK This is my first of many entries. I say this to anyone who is out there posting on this incredible site. Do not comment on side effects when you have not studied the use and protocols for the substance you are using. Heck, the first time I tried methylene blue I took 20 times too much and got a side effect. Of course, I did not post that because it was my bad math that caused the problem, not the substance. You are confusing others by posting side effects when your lack of knowledge is the problem. Study it first, no matter what it is. The Doc you are mentioning did no study and is making childish assumptions. MMS, when used as directed by Mr Humble, is an exceptional healer in my life and thousands of others. He 100% deserves the Nobel prize for his work with Malaria and instead, you will see his products for water purification only in the next few months and he is at risk personally for doing nothing but good in the world. I have 80 inches of scars from Viet Nam and it so confuses me that ignorance and money still rule the planet. Stay the course. Healing of most anything is out there. People have tried the MMS with the CC1 zapper from paradevices for HIV and succeeded. Never give up. We deserve wellness in this life but, as a great healer once told me, "The whole purpose of illness is to find the answer". Blessings to all....Jeff ism." 06/22/2010: Patti from Camlachie, Canada replies: "To Jeffism: Very diplomatically put sir! I too have posted similar remarks as I grow weary of people jumping the gun. Thank you! Namaste" 01/19/2010: Forestnfama from Rio De Janerio, Brazil writes: "I am very suspicious of those who are dissing mms. I have seen hundreds of cases where mms not only helped but be considered cured all kinds of ailments. And for sure there are people who the mms did nothing for. Probably karma, their negative thinking prevailed or they are just stooges for the big pharms or just idiots that dwell in the ditches of ignorance. There is not one case that I know of that mms cause great bodily harm, to the contrary, mms is a God send.." 06/22/2010: from Camlachie, Canada replies: "Forestnfama; I very much agree with you on why people would comment badly toward MMS. I would say it's because they are not educated properly in the use of it. All the information necessary for the proper usage of MMS is found at Jim Humbles site. He has everything there one needs to know about MMS1 and MMS2. MMS is exactly what it stands for MIRACLE MINERAL SOLUTION. It is a GOD send! People have been 'stuped' for so long by the fluoridation, hormones, pesticides, chemicals and soy in our foods, water and air that they haven't the 'sense' enough anymore to make the right decisions. This is exactly what Big Pharma wants. They need us stupid so we will follow their dogma like sheep. This gives them power over us,telling us how to live our lives, making up laws to suit their pocket books etc.! We need to wake up! Anyway, back to MMS :-) My hubby and I began taking MMS almost a year ago and it is EVERYthing it's supposed to be. People forget the basic premise of this wonder mineral and that is it KILLS all pathogens! Any bacteria or virus in your body WILL BE eliminated from your body. However, people think that is all they have to do. You still need to ingest the right foods and take the right supplements to keep your immune system in peak performance. Once the serious ailments are taken care of, a weekly maintenance dose of MMS will keep you clear of low ph pathogens that are everywhere! Here's to MMS and keeping it away from big Pharma!" [bETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS] 07/20/2010: on from Columbus, Ohio replies: "I've been badly poisoned by massive exposure to mercury and also to lead as a kid and even more later in industry. As I began taking out a lot of that mercury I also experienced very strong infection pains. That was a result of Herxheimer pains that occur whenever the body's immune defense discovers a powerful infection. Part of my infection came from getting a "dirty" blood transfusion. After I had that operation I felt terrible and my heartbeat began skipping real bad. Then an electronic MSA test was performed which showed I've got Lyme Disease from my transfusion. After my healing progress stalled I began to take small doses of MMS and worked on up. I got as high as 12 drops of MMS twice each day in 60 drops of citric acid mixture. After about 2 months of doing that in approx. late 2008 I quit using any MMS after my heart STOPPED skipping altogether. After 3 or 4 more months passed that heartbeat began skipping again, but not nearly as bad. Then I took the same 12 drop doses of MMS mixed with citric acid drops for the final 3 months of 2009 and that STOPPED my heart skipping once again. Now a massive amount of heavy metals have been removed so I started to take MMS some more now in July 2010. The Herxheimer pains I'm now having after taking only 8 drops of MMS twice are now very STRONG indeed. The MMS is now getting to my infections and killing them which causes those pains. The mercury in me has been sequestering, or hiding, these infections so my immune could NOT have any affect and wasn't able to cure them. That's why mercury was being administered by doctors to patients in the 1800s who had syphilis - because mercury in the body will lock those infections within a matrix of mercury ions and that causes the infection symptoms to be milder." 07/26/2010: from Greenville, Sc replies: "on, from Columbus - what is Herxheimer pains? I have gotten up to 4 drops for 6 days and have diarrhea (5x times in the morning) and then have different types of pains going on in my stomach. Each time I get up to 4 drops for a few days, I get this diarrhea/pain schedule. I have stopped it for the last 2 days and am afraid to go back on it, even though on 1 and 2 drops I feel fantastic. I have been told by a few practitioners that I have overgrowth of bacteria, some parasites and a worm infection. I really want to stay on this stuff, but I could use all the support I can get right now, I feel pretty bad in the bathroom department (lots of intestinal gas, too) although I have great energy otherwise. Thanks for any responses." 12/09/2009: Lettie from Brisbane, Queensland Australia writes: "I have a Barrett's Esophagus and have a lot of acidic juices coming back up and it hurts. I'm on Nexium 40mg 1 daily if I don't take it I suffer. I don't want to take it any more so tell me will MMS 2 help, I can't have any acidbase products. And will it help with weight loss as well? I'm in my very late 50's Thanks for your help" [QUESTION] 03/27/2009: Rob from Taunton, Somerset UK writes: "Has anyone got experience of Dr Hulda s zappers compared to using MMS? Have you used both in conjunction or do you think one is better than another? Thanks. Rob" 03/31/2009: Pat from Austin, TX replies: "My Naturopath has zapped me several times for parasites and amoebas with subsequent muscle testing to see if they were gone. Trouble is that even though the muscle testing showed success, I was not feeling markedly better. I still seemed to have high sensitivity to salmonella and e-coli and was stuck in a cycle of recurring treatments and expensive supplements. I have been using MMS for a few weeks and am at 9 drops twice a day. So far some head fog and diarrhea (minor), but much less use of supplements and more tolerant of food bacteria. My problem with the zapper is I can't tell if it actually did anything." 04/01/2009: PR from Houston, Texas replies: "Hello, I have used the zapper for a long time and can't say that I ever noticed any results. But I have to say from reading Dr. 's book that if you have a certain kind of parasite in your muscles you would almost have to wear the zapper 24 hours as they are hard to get rid of. Plus zapping is a surface electricity does not go deep enough to get all the parasites. Any how I got tired of zapping. I have friends who do MMS and are getting great results. I plan to try the MMS when I can have time to deal with some of the cleansing that goes with it. I have had good results using food grade Diatomaceous Earth. I would take 1 heaping teaspoon a day. I even got rid of a festation of mites in my body in 24 hours. Parasite seems to me to be a long term treatment. Probably because of our diets of picking them up again from those who prepare our food. My thinking is we should all do something done evasive to keep them under control. One thing I like about the MMS is it goes very deep in the body even into the brain and bones. From my understanding these areas are very hard places to reach." 03/02/2010: Farrellyrainbow from Traverse City, Mi replies: "As to using Hulda e's zapper. I find if I do her herbal protocol for getting rid of parasites and do not zap I get a cold. I think the zapper does have impact." 07/23/2010: Chrisg307 from Springfield, Il, USA replies: "I made my own zapper from Dr. 's book years ago and used it sporadically. But recently I had a major illness due to mold in my workplace HVAC system which created lumps, seemingly in my lymph system, the last of which were extremely painful. I left the job and started zapping and the lumps disappeared along with the lethargy I also experienced during this time. I mean it was an effort to open my eyes, just move my eyelids! But the lethargy vanishes after a zapping session. I firmly believe in zapping. At least for me it worked. I guess one could question whether just leaving the workplace might have resulted in lump disappearance, but I don't think so, just going by how I felt. Happy Healthy Trails to all of you." 02/02/2009: Helen from Austin, TX, USA writes: "A new remedy for me, MMS, (tell your search engine to look for "Jim Humble MMS" or "Miracle Mineral Supplement"). It's chlorine dioxide, used by municipalities for water purification. Used as directed by Jim Humble's protocol, it is said to kill viruses, bacteria, funguses, and parasites in your body without harming good bacterias in the gut or harming healthy tissue. Think a moment, how many diseases involve virus, bacteria, fungus, or parasite? In just two days of using a very dilute solution of it as a mouthwash, my gums are healthy. Wow!I'll let y'all know in a few weeks if it gets rid of my perpetual athlete's foot and my pre-cancer, etc. (Some are saying cancer is a by-product of a fungus. Kill the fungus, the cancer cells die.)" 08/09/2009: Vividlight from Olympia, Wa replies: "Are you using the solution directly on your feet, or taking internally as directed?" [WARNING!] 01/01/2009: Ron Hamer, MSc from Sedona, Arizona writes: "Firstly, Jim was never an Aerospace engineer. He may have been a lowly electronics technician if that.Secondly, he has no solid educational background in Organic Chemistry or Biology, yet alone microbiology.MMS can purify water and can be used to kill parasites. MMS is Very dangerous in more ways than one (can be used to create explosives). Sadly, MMS is dangerous and not to be used by the common man. It is highly oxidizing and will NOT cure cancer or AIDS.I have a copy of his book in-full. It is full of holes and very very un-scientific. The proportions are not even correctly calculated (titration calculations).I am very upset that this has been pushed into the hands of a million poorly educated new-agers who believe in things which can literally kill them.I have tried MMS several times, so do not tell me to try it. I smell like a Chlorox bottle for hours. Only Chlorine gas has this smell. It pours out of one's pores for hours. The Same deadly gas used in the World War to kill people." [YEA] 05/15/2009: Nicolas from Paris, France replies: "hey Ron, Can you prove MMS is dangerous ? Do you have any studies reference ?I took hydrogen peroxide, MMS and Tea tree oil for 1 month... I should be dead now But it is the opposite i m getting better and my body is getting so strong !Do y really need to say you're a Msc ? will it help the people recover ? if there are so many people here it means there MD cant cure them.I got a systemic candidosis, and i compared antifungals. The side effects, i have are the same taking 4 cloves of raw garlic or 10 drops of H202 or 7 drops of MMS + Caprilic acid. it means hyper sensivity in the eyes, itching chest. That s all for me, i'm fine." 05/15/2009: CA from ville, CA replies: "Oh yeah, people are dying left and right --exploding in droves they are. MMS is very dangerous, very very dangerous." 12/02/2009: Amber from Antigua, Guatemala replies: "To Ron Hamer, MSc from Sedona, Arizona I have an intuition that your intentions for writing here are not for the best interests of the true health seekers here. I am acutely aware that there are people employed by the The Pharmaceutical/Medical Industry who soley work to find these wonderful sites merely to ridicule, shame, and cast doubt and fear about the people and products who are helping (and curing) so many. I wish it wasnt so..." [NAY] 12/23/2008: Dave from East Peoria, il writes: "Power of Positive ThinkingI did a lot of research on MMS before I ordered a bottle. I worked my way up to 15 drops and began feeling the brief nausea that the website describes.Other than the nausea, there was no effect of any kind during the week I took it.Common sense dictates that the "nausea" one experiences isn't an indication that the product is working, but an indication that chlorine is a poisonous substance and the body will try to expel the stuff to protect itself.I don't deny the positive experiences others have had, but I would associate these with the power of positive thinking - after all, the basis for the whole process is that "the body heals itself".But if taking MMS gives you the proper mindset to jumpstart your immune system, by all means, do whatever works.Just be careful." [sIDE EFFECTS] 03/27/2009: Rob from Taunton, Somerset UK replies: "I am a great beliver in positive thinking, but I can tell you after being on mms for 14 days I had bad cramps and diahorrea and passed loads of intestinal flukes. I don't think that had anything to do with positive thinking but more like positive chemistry." 02/09/2010: Migual from Hull, Uk replies: "@ Ron Hamer and Dave mms (Chlorine Dioxide) is not Chlorine. Sodium Chlorite activated 5 to 1 with citric acid of 10% strengh, creating Chlorine Dioxide.The voltage it works at is said to be 0.93v (aprox) as opposed to oxygen at 1.20v and ozone at 2.03v (aprox) Now common sence to me says if oxygen dose not damage healthy cells, chlorine dioxide will not.If anything, high blood pressure should be looked for whilst at high doses or even low i guess just to be on the safe side whilst more is confirmed. Watching salt intake would help.It cannot choose between healthy and unhealthy cells.It leaves residuals in your body making you smell like chlorox bottle.Theses are the only potential areas i have found for problems both phyisically and in "debates" for and against.If anyone has any other valid points for or against please post." 11/24/2008: Ann from Bastrop, TX writes: "Ted, I would be most interested in your view of MMS. "This Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS for short) was discovered in 2000 by Jim Humble. At the time, he was using activated Oxygen water, which had been around for 80 years and consists of Sodium Chlorite in distilled water, to cure a large percentage of Malaria victims in Africa and South America, as well as eliminating parasites and numerous other weird diseases you often hear about from third world countries.Jim was not satisfied with partial success and his research led him to discover that if you mix a citric acid solution (or lemon juice, or vinegar) with the Sodium Chlorite, and wait 3 minutes to activate, it would produce Chlorine Dioxide, perhaps the world%u02BCs best pathogen killer of all time. He had 100% cure rate of over 75,000 malaria patients and 388 out of 390 documented aids patients. It was achieved by using the MMS to create Chlorine Dioxide. Additionally, countless Aids, Hepatitis A, B and C cases were cured.Not just improved - cured! (from: http://talkswithmom.com/mms-for-dummies-excerpt/)Please post your response on Earthclinic as well as to my email. I'm sure a lot of our friends would appreciate it. Thank you so much for all your efforts to give information to us!" 12/13/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Actually the sodium chlorite solution, which is most commonly known as 25% solution is used by chemist as a disinfectant agent, but can be used internally to some extent. However, sodium chlorite can be regarded as a chlorine compound, even though Jim Humble denies this. The reason why I know it's a chlorine compound is that it tends to cause goiter and hypothyroidism in people with low levels of iodine anyway. It works simply that a chlorine displaces the iodine in the thyroid, as well as other glands, causing a goiter condition. However, a goiter condition can be caused by other compounds too, such as cyanide rich foods as apricot pits, apple seeds, and especially cassava, since it is used as a staple food in certain parts of Africa.Whenever a solution sodium chlorite is made to react with acid, it forms chlorine dioxide. Now I know sodium chlorite and with acid such as citric acid, does this. And after it does react inside the body, the chlorine compounds continues to recirculate itself. This chlorine compounds doesn't degrade, which is why it is so effective against malaria, herpes, and other viruses I observed, as well as the common cold.As for me I don't like them because it induces vomiting, at high doses or nausea, which is a huge draw back. What I can say good about sodium chlorite solution 25% with a couple of drops of 10 or 25% citric acid, for example is it's excellence in curing genital herpes. Although this is not used alone, mine you, I also need to prepare an acylcovir cream mixed with drops of 5% copper chloride solution to get a copper acylcovir, which is 20 or 30 times more powerful then ordinary acylcovir. Because of this associated problem, the MMS needs to be reworked to incorporate iodine into it so it doesn't induce this issue. While my time is limited, I am looking along the lines of mixing the sodium chlorite solution with an iodine solution, which might be a more stable sodium iodide and potassium iodide 10% solution to the 25% sodium chlorite, and is made to react with any organic acid, such as vinegar, lemon juice, for example. There's still a problem in such use. For example, lemon juice is an organic compound, as is grape juice. So when you make sodium chlorite to react with say, grape juice, most of the chlorine compounds are invariably produces chlorine dioxide, with is immediately racted with an organic compound and destroying its antiseptic properties immediately. The lingering effects of chlorine organic compounds, I believe is what does the long term killing.A hydrogen peroxide has it's weakness too, in that it is reactive with organic compounds too but interestingly, the red blood cells can carry peroxide compounds to the site that is needed. While a possible similar mechanism of chlorine dioxide compounds (reacted chlorine dioxide) might occur in similar effects.Whichever the case, there is some truth in its power to kill off malaria, and many virus. The drawbacks of hydrogen peroxide in practice is that it is weaker then that of chlorine dioxide or MMS and it has to be taken much more frequently since, it is used up rather quickly. The hydrogen peroxide drops lasts in your body for a very short period, such as 50 minutes, while the effects of chlorine dioxide or sodium chlorite gets recirculated in the body for hours after it is taken. It's quite simple: chlorine is not destroyed, while hydrogen peroxide gets degraded to just water and oxygen. And hence it's short lifespan.This concludes that for any chemical inside the body to continue to kill the pathogens, it cannot degrade, but continue to circulate for hours or days after it is taken. When you think along this lines, then iodine comes to mine, as is chlorine, but possibility exists also of other minerals, such as magnesium chloride for example. To gain wider public acceptance of chlorine dioxide, I believe that certain iodine compounds are needed, or replaced, or added, such as iodic acid, iodine trichloride, hydrogen iodide, potassium iodide, or sodium iodide, so that a person who uses chlorine, won't lower the immune system upon taken the chlorine dioxide or sodium chlorite. It lowers the immune system, while it does kill the pathogens. The problem here is obvious: chlorine lowers the immune system, but causes other long term conditions such as hypothyroidism and goiter. The reason why I know this is simple: some people who used sodium chlorite, or MMS, has got either a goiter or hypothyroidism. Chlorine weakens the body's energy system, as a free chlorine will react with your body's Kreb's cycle, the hydrogen, which is the main energy source of the cells. In fact, the reason why oxygen is used, is so the cells can have sufficient hydrogen currency. In presence of high free chlorine, the free hydrogen becomes hydrochloric acid, which just burns the cells or the cellular mitochrondria. It is this reason why I get reports of people being very weak and sick after taking a chlorine filled shower. Of course there are other ways to skin a cat in curing malaria, such as artemisia, artemisin or even just methylene blue, which is a carrier of hydrogen, that does the opposite of what chlorine dioxide does, which is to give the cells more energy and hence, stronger immune system. Therefore sodium chlorite works somewhat like potassium permanganate, in that does kill the pathogens, but you have some colateral damage to healthy cells. This is how chemotherapy works. On the other hand, a simple chemical that is specific to pathogens which are acid forming, can be nuked much like a heat seeking missiles using other familiar chemical that the body actually produced naturally such as sodium nitrite (produced by glial cells) and degrades instantly to nitric acid whenever an acid forming bactieria or acid forming cancer, or acid forming virus. It becomes a strongly oxidizing compound in presences of acid forming pathogens, hence it works like a heat seeking missle. However, the good news is not just sodium nitrite (I recently got cured from a very bad bout of virus just taking this and some polyol sugar - erythritol), but also, iodic acid (strongly oxidizing also in presence of acid), and certain other forms of iodine that has this strange properties. Vitamin C if it is acid, becomes a pro-oxidant but an antioxidant if it is alkaline. Hence, vitamin C also works similarly like a heat seeking missile after these acid forming pathogens too, but it's weakness against pathogens, is made much more stronger with either sodium chlorite (works like chemotheraph), or iodine compounds. At the moment I have limited time to do experiments, but I really need to reformulate the sodium chlorite compound that doesn't cause nauseating as well as iodine deficiency. In any case I would much prefer to work with other means, investigating iodic acid, which works in some ways similar to sodium chlorite, but the differences might be that iodine is a required mineral, but chlorine isn't. Whichever way we consider, a sodium chlorite is NOT a stabilized oxygen. That title belongs more to magnesium peroxide, or other oxygen compound that is more somewhat more stable then hydrogen peroxide. Methylene blue is another one, but it doesn't work on the principle of oxygen, or even chlorine. It works as a hydrogen carrier, which is the primary currency of the cellular energy and can be used to specifically target pathogenic cells too. You might never heard of methylene blue, but it was used during the Vietnam war to cure malaria. The reason for it's disuse is that taken in very high dose, it causes the urine to be blue. However, there's a cure for blue urine, it's called vitamin C sodium ascorbate! So the reason for disuse was that the doctors simply didn't give the GI's vitamin C sodium ascorbate when they injected methylene blue, or perhaps taken internally. Even so, it can easily be proven that methylene blue will become colorless. Just add drops of methylene blue in vitamin C, it will instantly become colorless. Interestingly, methylene blue works better with vitamin C, as both are related to negative hydrogen, as evidenced by the fact that if you did use ORP meter, the resultant measurement is likely to be -200 millivolts or up to -300 millivolts, which is a negative charge. Methylene blue is a negative hydrogen carrier, while vitamin C sodium ascorbate, preferably is a producer of that and is a reducing agent. Ted" 03/10/2009: Nat from London, UK replies: "Hello Ted,Thank you for your very interesting post. I am happy to find someone sensible about this subject. I have found the same information you did just by looking at research papers.Have you considered giving Kelp or Kombu to offset the problem caused by MMS? I do not understand why people take MMS over a long period of time when most conditions seems to clear after 2 weeks. There are safer alternatives for toxins and heavy metal chelation.I know methylene blue (methylthioninium chloride) quite well. It was used to cure UTI or bladder infection. Now it is impossible to find it at the drugstore.How does MMS compare to magnesium peroxide in your experience?" 08/08/2009: from Northern, Nevada replies: "My husband and I are not having some of the problems others are having because we are also taking daily 1 cup vinegar, 1 tbls baking soda, and 5,000 mg of magnesium malate to neutralize the toxins and dead pathogens as well as the 50 mg of iodine. I keep track of my pH so I know when I need to neutralize an acidic condition. Thanks, Ted, for all your help. Do you think this will balance out the MMS and yet allow it to be used effectively?" 01/13/2010: Dirk from Vredenburg, South Africa replies: "I read a lot about mms and H2O2. Is mms the same as H2O2 with the added vinegar? Also, what strenght of hH2O2 do you use?" 05/19/2008: Phil from , New Zealand writes: "I have just ordered a bottle of MMS after receiving excellent feedback from a friend in Kuala Lumpur who reported the increased health benefits from people he knows who are in their 70's who have a new lease of life. I was also able to download the e version of the book." 04/19/2008: Joyce from ton, Tn writes: "To all who tries to access the MMS info referenced from suneagle99 - Go for the shorter www.miraclemineral.org. I wasted 15 or 20 minutes trying to access the longer site given - gave up & tried the shorter address and just finished downloading & printing Part 1 of the book for free - from what I read while copying it, it looks very interesting. Will comment further after I get a chance to read it all. If I still feel like I do at present, I will gladly pay $9.95 for part 2. Just be sure you have plenty of paper & ink on hand before you start printing - it's l87 pages long." [YEA] 02/01/2008: Sharon from Aiken, SC writes: "I have ordered this after doing research on several different web sites. Pretty thought provoking stuff, but the jury is out until I try it. Will update on progress with postings" HEAVY METAL DETOX 1 YEA [YEA] 02/04/2008: Jake from Chicago, IL writes: "I've used MMS for about 6 weeks now to finish off any lingering bugs I might have and also to detox mercury.I self diagnosed myself and found a holistic dentist to remove my 3 remaining amalgam fillings a year ago Dec. 06. The decay beneath led to these teeth being removed - JAN. 06, and a fourth infected root canal as well. My symptoms began 3 years ago about the time an amalgam filling broke down and my dentist not aware of the potential mercury spreading removed it without the proper precautions.Symptoms -A swollen neck that never went away that impeded my mobility turning to the right, pains in my back for the first mile of my jogging, a pain in my hip area, sudden headaches - I'd never had headaches before, sudden spikes in blood pressure, brain fog,reduced stamina,mercury pimples on my chest (grover's disease as I recently discussed) swelling in my feet from the balls of my feet to the tips of my toes.In the first six months after the removals most everything improved - I detoxed with many earthclinic suggestions, alkalining with BS and ACV and lemon juice, Budwig CC/FO (I've since switched to undenatured whey protein powder with fish oil as well as flax oil and also added NAC),also ALA following Andy Cutler's regime,cayenne on food and in tea and some tumeric also,in addition to other vitamins and minerals and juices such as pomegranate. Most symptoms were in fact gone except the mercury pimples on my chest - only partially better, swelling in my feet -only a little better, and the periodic almost- headaches I call them - much less severe. I knew I was not rid of all the mercury since these almost-headaches became worse -not like before but worse, when I ate cilantro - which has been cited for removing mercury from the brain, shown also to increase mercury elimination in the urine,and one of the few supplements along with ALA suspected of acting in this way (to attache to mercury in the brain.)I worked up from 1 drop to 2 to 3 drops etc. until I was at 15 drops of MMS activated with lemon juice which I did at first or citric acid which I did later. -Adding one drop morning then night until 15 drops each - you try to eat no acid or vitamin c 2 hours before or after. I worked up to 15 drops morning and night for 3 weeks. -- The more serious the condition, the sooner you should have diahrrea or nausea. The protocol calls for working up to 3 times a day at 15 for at least a week but I couldn't seem to face it having to adjust my eating so much during the day. At any rate I got a little tired some days but otherwise had little in the way of symptoms. I took this a sign that my alkalining etc. had already done some good work for me. My near headaches left me and I even eat cilantro now with only very occasionally the hint of a headache. My swollen feet have improved moderately, which is very exciting considering what a lagging symptom they've been even with my running and exercising the whole time. I stopped the MMS for a week or two to consider one person's warnings - writing in on the internet, but I've since gone back, considering the continuing positive testimonials and considering my own positive results. I'm going to go to a maintenance dose soon - once a day, 6 drops. I'm currently at 15 drops at night only.I think this is going to be a very important cure for many with serious health issues. I think everyone should watch the internet for the continuing testimonials as this approach has begun to catch on.Best to all" 07/23/2010: on from Columbus, Ohio replies: "Hello Jake In Chicago, We both have severe and obvious problems of mercury poisoning so this may interest you. First, you can visit the site of rather excellent doctors which is the ACAM group that was started by Linus ing, PhD with some physicians. That great doctors' organization will allow you to enter your city, state or ZIP code and receive a list of the ACAM member doctors in you area, if any. Be advised that many of those ACAM doctors do NOT publicize that they are "alternative" ACAM kind on-line. So you can leave your e-mail address or your phone number (maybe?) and you would be sent a private message on which doctors in your vicinity are qualified ACAM member doctors. Dr. Detrich K. Klinghardt who may be both an MD and a PhD advises we ought to take approx. 3 grams of the algae chlorella about 30 minutes before we eat the cilantro. Klinghardt is an ace physician who is an expert in detoxification, especially of the brain. He has delivered lectures at international symposiums in Europe, including Switzerland, Germany (where he was born and educated) and London. Dr. Klinghardt states that the approx. 3 grams of chlorella we would eat before ingesting cilantro will combine with the mercury which gets flushed out of the liver. The chlorella apparently 'locks' onto the mercury that is carried into the intestines after one eats cilantro. Klinghardt and others state that approx. 80 percent of the mercury which gets "shaken loose" from the body cells by the action of cilantro will travel from the liver in the bile and go into the intestinal tract. Unless we use chlorella to 'capture' that mercury as it enters the intestines it will be ABSORBED all over again and will then be returned to our bloodstream! Therefore it's a great idea for us to take some chlorella 30 minutes prior to eating cilantro. Klinghardt also recommends a concentrated cilantro liquid one can be bought on-line. He says it is much better to apply those liquid cilantro drops to the skin on the wrists and the skin of the ankles. Doing that allows the concentrated cilantro liquid to directly enter the bloodstream and to bypass the entire digestive system. That way the chlorella can combine directly with the mercury liberated by the cilantro we've eaten and lock on to that mercury and take it out of the body. In addition it was read that by taking the substance "zeolite" one is able to have that zeolite LOCK onto many kinds of toxins and take them out of the body. It's said that zeolites is a natural mineral which has been stockpiled for years to be used my the government after we have suffered with nuclear war. There are numerous kinds of zeolites available and I've used several of them and they definitely have helped. Whenever I've removed some of my major load of heavy metals (especially the mercury! ) I will get powerful Herxheimer reaction pains. So when I use one of the better kinds of zeolites those 'Hex" pains the DO become quite strong indeed. That result basically proves the zeolites I've been ingesting is taking out such nasty toxins as mercury." HERPES 2 YEA1 BETTER BUT NOT CURED1 QUESTION [YEA] 04/03/2010: No Herpes from Dayton, Oh writes: "PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR NOT BEING THE BEST WRITER. I HAVE BEEN TAKING MMS FOR HERPES SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2009. WELL IT IS NOW ARPIL OF 2010, AND MY LAST OUTBREAK WAS A WEEK AFTER I STARTED TAKING THIS AMAZING PRODUCT. TO ME THIS IS AMAZING, DUE TO THE FACT I HAVE HAD HERPES FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I WAS HAVE OUTBREAKS ONCE TO TWICE A WEEK." [YEA] 11/28/2009: Mike3000 from Durham, Nc writes: "I have been using the mms for herpes. I worked my way up to 18 drops 3 times a day because I am a big man so i heard i may need a little more. I went from two or three times a week to once a month to a 6 month run with no outbreaks at all. IT WAS TOUGH TO TAKE IT three times a day but after a month I got used to it. I still take take it at least twice a day sometimes 3. I haven't had any blood work done but ive seen a big differnce while on it." [QUESTION] 11/18/2009: Hope from Newcastle, Nsw writes: "I'm currently reading up on MMS as I was diagnosed with HSV2 in July this year, I was wondering how long you have to use MMS for? and once you stop using MMS will my HSV2 outbreaks re-occur?" [bETTER BUT NOT CURED] 09/07/2008: Carl from Philadelphia, PA writes: "I have also had the same experience with MMS. I felt the tingling sensation but I got no actual outbreaks/sores. MMS works very well to destroy bacteria, fungus, parasites, viruses etc. The issue with MMS is that it is fighting the fight against Herpes alone, hence the tingling sensations. MMS cannot to its best ability fully destroy the Herpes virus when it is protected by it lipid coat (Fat coating). Monolaurin (coconut oil) is a supplement that dissolves away and destroys the lipid coating on the Herpes Virus, leaving it naked and exposed to our immune system. Monolaurin is not a drug, therefore, the Herpes Virus does build immunity to it like it does with Valtrex. Many people who use Valtrex claim it stops working for them after 2 years. The reason for this is because the Herpes virus builds an immunity to it, making the virus stronger, smarter and harder to kill. I would not be surprised if the drug companies introduced a new & stronger drug that claims to be much stronger than Valtrex.By using Monolaurin, which dissolves Herpes's lipid coating and also using MMS, which oxidizes and kills the virus along with a healthy diet you will be able to stop all future outbreaks. But please keep in mind that you must eat well and clean your system out. Nobody can claim that there is a cure for Herpes, but I believe the cure for herpes is right in front of us. If everyone in the U.S. with HSV donated $2 (for example) we would have enough money to hire our own researchers, doctors or even help a comapny focusing on this cure see their passion to the end." HIV 1 NAY1 BETTER BUT NOT CURED [bETTER BUT NOT CURED] 04/27/2009: Male_46_HIV from New York, NY writes: "Hello. I took MMS for some weeks, stopped and am at it again for about 6 weeks. I worked my way up to 15 drops, with 5 times that much citric acid as activator, 3 times a day. If I could afford IV ozone, I'd be taking that instead, because I think that will beat HIV for me. (Had it over twenty years. Finally, something I'm slow to get that I don't need to feel bad about hahahaha! I took the drugs for a year but stopped. I don't trust them and I think other approaches have been overlooked.)Jim Humble and others have pointed out that if you take MMS, you need to replace electrolytes and a be concerned about a few other things I am not qualified to tell you about. Caveat emptor. I will stop taking it after a certain amount of time, as I do not think taking this amount indefinitely is good.I don't know if it's doing anything against HIV for me. My symptoms are swollen adenoid and parotid cysts on both sides of my head. I do not think MMS affected these either way.However, when I first took a larger dose, after working up to it, I got a huge energy boost and my breathing improved. (I still smoke.) I have gotten used to the MMS and now that I think of it, I have gotten used to those two improvements as well. I used to be in a hideous mental fog, which MMS got rid of, and which I no longer have. It gave me diarrhea at first but that went away. I seldom get the nausea but it was hard to get down at first. So it has done about what I read it would do, and I like it.Jim Humble is Da Man! I suggest you watch some of his videos and see what a nice way he has about him. He learned Reikki, about which I know nothing, but he seems to help the little boy he treats on his video. See how he talks? Humble has it upstairs for that healing talk, the doctors don't always learn that in the home, or in the community, where Humble probably did. As for his lack of medical or scientific training (I think he said he had a chemistry degree or at least credits) I note he is careful in all his approaches. He experimented carefully, and note he starts on himself. If the rest of the scientific and medical community would please pull their heads out of that dark place, maybe I would not be turning to the Internet and generally ignoring them, unless I need a wound stitched. (The local hospital did save my life, when I foolishly let myself dehydrate after food poisoning. My kidneys had quit working. The stuff they do right, they really do right.)I will be looking to see if the adenoid and parotid cysts clear, as HIV is presumably what has caused them to enlarge. Humble has suggested a time at least twice as long as I have been taking it this time around. I will be pleasantly surprised if the virus clears. I don't monitor my bloodwork so have no stats for you.Good luck to you all!" 04/27/2009: Joyce from ton, Tn replies: "Hello male_46: Have you tried L-lysine & Vitamin C on your HIV+? It is a virus, and l-lysine hits a lot of viruses. I used to work with a fellow who had AIDS, and saw him frequently having the doctor look at his throat. Waiting to catch him without an audience, I asked him if he ever thought about using L-lysine which killed off a lot of viruses to combat the AIDS, and told him that was what I would be trying first if I had the problem. He then asked me what it was and where he could get it and how much to take. After answering his questions: it's an amino acid, get it lots of places like health food places, walmart's, walgreens,etc, and to take 2 grams 4 times a day. I never talked with him about it afterwards, but he started looking healthier and happier and a few months later I heard that he had turned in his resignation and was entering Art School, so he most likely found it helped. If you can get your hands on a copy of "Your Own Perfect Medicine", you might want to read on urine therapy for AIDS. It has been awhile, but I do recall at least one male who said that is what he has been doing for several years and the picture they showed of him certainly didn't look like an AIDS patient. I think I would try the L-lysine and Vitamin C to boost the immune system first because I would find it a little hard to get past drinking my urine, even though I know that it has been used to save lives when blood plasma wasn't available. Somehow IV urine therapy sounds more appealing to me than oral urine therapy. A patient told me that this idea originated from the Bible wherein it mentions "drinking from your own fountain"." 11/03/2009: Clint from Wauconda, Il replies: "I have to disagree with the advice to take any vitamin C when taking MMS as it counters the effects of the MMS according to Jim Humble. As far as l-lysine is concerned ,it doesn't kill viruses but thwarts their proliferation which keeps the counts down and makes it easier for the body to erradicate. (for the person with aids) Best wishes" 11/07/2009: Chantelle from Mancelona, Michigan replies: "My friend, HIV doesn't cause cysts or calcifications. It is mycoplasma incognitus lying dormant. I don't think you can do anything at this point." [NAY] 02/21/2010: from Nyc, Ny replies: "I did the latest hiv protocol posted by Jim Humble...3 drops every hour for 8 hours a day for three weeks. Just had my blood checked and cd4 went down from 315 to 186. Have not gotten viral load back...will re-post when I do. So, started the meds this weeks. Was actually quite surprised, as I feel great, and thought it would probably clear me." EC: For those interested in learning more about CD4 counts, please see this article:http://aids.about.com/od/technicalquestions/f/cd4.htm HIVES 1 YEA [YEA] 11/23/2009: Helena from Brooklyn, Ny writes: "In sep 2008 I came down with a hive condition, something would trigger them every night about 8pm they were welts all over. At first I thought it was due to detergent. By Jan 2009 I ended up in the emergency room my face hived together. There they did a thyroid test and determined my levels were off the charts, and prescribed meds. I didnt believe the thyroid caused my hives I believed the hives caused my thyroid. A site on hives led me to MMS I started taking it in Feb. My teeth improved immediately, The hives gone, my energy through the roof. Only when I went up to 11 drops did I become violently nauseas. I now only take it when I feel a cold coming on or my gums hurt. I still dont know what caused the hives but I know what cured them, I never took the thyroid meds and I am fine. I think MMS will affect different people differently." 1 2 3 Copyright © 2010 | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | About Us | Contact Us | Search Web Portal by Brite Global Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Hello , It is good to hear that you are able to control your allergy symptoms on a daily bases through oxidation. Now that you have the symptoms under control, you may be able to find a way to rebuild your body so oxidizers are no longer necessary to control the symptoms. When you are able to rebuild your body to the point where taking strong oxidizers daily are no longer needed, your allergies will be cured. Tom > > hi, my name is kevin and i would like to tell everyone about my experience with > mms1 and allergies. i've had allergies for years now and i've been taking mms > everyday for six months and once i started taking 6 to 10 drops every evening > before bed my allergies were gone. i'm consistent and very serious about > preventing colds flus and allergies and whatever else this diseased world has to > offer. mms works so well when someone really uses it properly. YAHUAH[isaiah > 42:8] our heavenly FATHER is the CREATOR of every good and perfect gift, > scripture says exactly this, and mms is definitely a good and perfect gift when > a person really uses it. happy sabbath[saturday] to all, and blessings in > YAHUSHUAH'S name.[acts 4:12] >  > if anyone is interested in the names i presented here in my testamony just ask > and you shall recieve?  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 i'm drinking ginger now and taking a good multi vitamin, thing are good without mms, but if i get issues i will take it. thank you. From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 9:22:08 AMSubject: [ ] Re: MMS debate Hello ,It is good to hear that you are able to control your allergy symptoms on a daily bases through oxidation.Now that you have the symptoms under control, you may be able to find a way to rebuild your body so oxidizers are no longer necessary to control the symptoms.When you are able to rebuild your body to the point where taking strong oxidizers daily are no longer needed, your allergies will be cured.Tom>> hi, my name is kevin and i would like to tell everyone about my experience with > mms1 and allergies. i've had allergies for years now and i've been taking mms > everyday for six months and once i started taking 6 to 10 drops every evening > before bed my allergies were gone. i'm consistent and very serious about > preventing colds flus and allergies and whatever else this diseased world has to > offer. mms works so well when someone really uses it properly. YAHUAH[isaiah > 42:8] our heavenly FATHER is the CREATOR of every good and perfect gift, > scripture says exactly this, and mms is definitely a good and perfect gift when > a person really uses it. happy sabbath[saturday] to all, and blessings in > YAHUSHUAH'S name.[acts 4:12]>  > if anyone is interested in the names i presented here in my testamony just ask > and you shall recieve?  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Hello , Excellent. Tom > > > > hi, my name is kevin and i would like to tell everyone about my experience with > > > > mms1 and allergies. i've had allergies for years now and i've been taking mms > > everyday for six months and once i started taking 6 to 10 drops every evening > > > before bed my allergies were gone. i'm consistent and very serious about > > preventing colds flus and allergies and whatever else this diseased world has > >to > > > > offer. mms works so well when someone really uses it properly. YAHUAH[isaiah > > 42:8] our heavenly FATHER is the CREATOR of every good and perfect gift, > > scripture says exactly this, and mms is definitely a good and perfect gift when > > > > a person really uses it. happy sabbath[saturday] to all, and blessings in > > YAHUSHUAH'S name.[acts 4:12] > >  > > if anyone is interested in the names i presented here in my testamony just ask > > > and you shall recieve?  > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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