Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?

[Guest guest]

My DAN and others swear by Cod Liver Oil, but it makes my son very hyper.

So, we used Mycel Vitamin A, 2 drops per day and it worked.

Vitamin A is very toxic and when taken in large amounts can be poisonous, so

use as directed.

Hope that helps.

H

Subject: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 7:23 AM

Hello All,My son has been doing well recently after starting Valtrex/Diflucanbut we noticed that his eye stims like side-eye glancing, eyes goingout of focus, occasional eye crossing (mainly right eye) haveincreases dramatically in the past couple weeks. But his interactionand eye contact with us is much better.We thought we had the eye issues under control because it had been acouple months since we saw so much eye stims. Does anyone have anidea what is causing the eye stims and what supplements may help?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Thanks! Do you mind me asking how old your son is?

My son just turned 2 years old. Any idea on dosing for him? We have

been using cod liver oil but only 1/2 teaspoon per day. In fact we

changed brands a few weeks ago and that happened to be the time the

eye glancing started up again but we also started Valtrex at that time

so I am not sure what the cause is.

>

>

> Subject: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing --

biomedical help?

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 7:23 AM

>

>

>

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>

>

> Hello All,

>

> My son has been doing well recently after starting Valtrex/Diflucan

> but we noticed that his eye stims like side-eye glancing, eyes going

> out of focus, occasional eye crossing (mainly right eye) have

> increases dramatically in the past couple weeks. But his interaction

> and eye contact with us is much better.

>

> We thought we had the eye issues under control because it had been a

> couple months since we saw so much eye stims. Does anyone have an

> idea what is causing the eye stims and what supplements may help?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe you should try omega 3,6,9 capsules by nordic naturals.

Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 7:23 AM

Hello All,My son has been doing well recently after starting Valtrex/Diflucanbut we noticed that his eye stims like side-eye glancing, eyes goingout of focus, occasional eye crossing (mainly right eye) haveincreases dramatically in the past couple weeks. But his interactionand eye contact with us is much better.We thought we had the eye issues under control because it had been acouple months since we saw so much eye stims. Does anyone have anidea what is causing the eye stims and what supplements may help?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

My son is 4 years old and did the same thing with Valtrex/Diflucan combo.

He is off the protocol now, we did for 60 days and saw very minor results.

We use a brand of Mycel Vitamin A from Wholefoods Market, Ethical Nutrients.

We only use for maintenance now.

I would try 1 drop or 3000 IU and see if it helps, then double and watch.

You can do some quick research on it as well.

H

Subject: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 11:41 AM

Thanks! Do you mind me asking how old your son is? My son just turned 2 years old. Any idea on dosing for him? We havebeen using cod liver oil but only 1/2 teaspoon per day. In fact wechanged brands a few weeks ago and that happened to be the time theeye glancing started up again but we also started Valtrex at that timeso I am not sure what the cause is.> > From: m_jhouston333 <m_jhouston333@ ...>> Subject: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing --biomedical help?> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 7:23 AM> > > > > > > Hello All,> > My son has been doing well recently after starting Valtrex/Diflucan> but we noticed that his eye stims like side-eye glancing, eyes going> out of focus, occasional eye crossing (mainly right eye) have> increases dramatically in the past couple weeks. But his interaction> and eye contact with us is much better.> > We thought we had the eye issues under control because it had been a> couple months since we saw so much eye stims. Does anyone have an>

idea what is causing the eye stims and what supplements may help?> > Thanks,> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Pharmaceutical grade cod liver oil is notoriously helpful for

side-glancing and eye stims. It needs to be cod liver oil specifically

and not just fish oil. This is because the vitamin A content in the

CLO helps with eye rod function among other things.

I am curious as to why the behaviours increased with antivirals...

that's something to investigate.

R

>

> Hello All,

>

> My son has been doing well recently after starting Valtrex/Diflucan

> but we noticed that his eye stims like side-eye glancing, eyes going

> out of focus, occasional eye crossing (mainly right eye) have

> increases dramatically in the past couple weeks. But his interaction

> and eye contact with us is much better.

>

> We thought we had the eye issues under control because it had been a

> couple months since we saw so much eye stims. Does anyone have an

> idea what is causing the eye stims and what supplements may help?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why did you switch brands of CLO? Do you prefer the quality of the CLO

you currently use? A woman from the TACA forum gave her son CLO from

the grocery store and his eyes rolled back in his head. She made sure

she purchased good quality CLO after that. To choose CLO, make sure it

is purified by molecular distillation and is " pharmaceutical grade " ,

free of mercury, hormones, dioxins, PCBs, etc. Nordic Naturals is

great because it is not only pure, but third party tested. Kirkman's

is another trusted brand.

Dr. Megson's dosage recommendations for age 2-5 years:

2500 IU Vitamin A, 250 IU Vitamin D

With Kirkman's CLO, that translates to 1/2 tsp per day or about 1.5

tsp of Nordic Naturals. However, NN has more than twice the DHA and

EPA which is great for the brain. Check your label to calculate the

dosage.

> >

> > From: m_jhouston333 <m_jhouston333@>

> > Subject: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing --

> biomedical help?

> > To: mb12 valtrex

> > Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 7:23 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello All,

> >

> > My son has been doing well recently after starting Valtrex/Diflucan

> > but we noticed that his eye stims like side-eye glancing, eyes going

> > out of focus, occasional eye crossing (mainly right eye) have

> > increases dramatically in the past couple weeks. But his interaction

> > and eye contact with us is much better.

> >

> > We thought we had the eye issues under control because it had been a

> > couple months since we saw so much eye stims. Does anyone have an

> > idea what is causing the eye stims and what supplements may help?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My son had/has the same issues with his eyes. He is also very scared

of things like theatres, Chuck E Cheese, Santa Claus, etc. I heard

at a TACA meeting recently that there was a girl who was deathly

afraid of dragonflies and no one knew why. After HBOT, she was

shocked that dragonflies were so small. She thought they were 6 feet

tall! This is how " messed up " the cones/rods of the eyes are in some

of our babies..

We saw no effect from 1/2 tsp. cod liver oil. I told Dr. Megson that

we had increased dosage to 1 tsp. daily and she said that was fine.

And for MY child (based on weight/age) recommended we up to 1 1/2

tsp. for 3 wks. to try and get rid of the visual stims and then go

back to the 1 tsp.

> > >

> > > From: m_jhouston333 <m_jhouston333@>

> > > Subject: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye

crossing --

> > biomedical help?

> > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 7:23 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hello All,

> > >

> > > My son has been doing well recently after starting

Valtrex/Diflucan

> > > but we noticed that his eye stims like side-eye glancing, eyes

going

> > > out of focus, occasional eye crossing (mainly right eye) have

> > > increases dramatically in the past couple weeks. But his

interaction

> > > and eye contact with us is much better.

> > >

> > > We thought we had the eye issues under control because it had

been a

> > > couple months since we saw so much eye stims. Does anyone have

an

> > > idea what is causing the eye stims and what supplements may

help?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Has this change made a difference?

Thanks,

>

> We saw no effect from 1/2 tsp. cod liver oil. I told Dr. Megson that

> we had increased dosage to 1 tsp. daily and she said that was fine.

> And for MY child (based on weight/age) recommended we up to 1 1/2

> tsp. for 3 wks. to try and get rid of the visual stims and then go

> back to the 1 tsp.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was told the side glancing is a way of shutting out other things in my child's

field of

vision. So if you turn your head one way you can't see the other stuff going on

in the

room as well. Kind of a sensory aversion thing I guess. I have tried vitamin A

drops and

saw no difference the CLO seems to have helped OR he has just grown out of it as

we've

done a lot of other sensory work.

gfcfmom

> >

> > We saw no effect from 1/2 tsp. cod liver oil. I told Dr. Megson that

> > we had increased dosage to 1 tsp. daily and she said that was fine.

> > And for MY child (based on weight/age) recommended we up to 1 1/2

> > tsp. for 3 wks. to try and get rid of the visual stims and then go

> > back to the 1 tsp.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for the helpful comments. We are using NN CLO but

switched from children's DHA to the non-flavored kind because we were

concerned with the flavoring in the children's version. But we may

switch back to children's DHA. The eye stims were essentially gone

for 2-3 months. We are trying hard to remember what changed about 3-4

weeks ago to cause it to come back. The only things we can remember

are starting the anti-virals/fungals and switching CLO.

We will start giving CLO (children's DHA version) at 1.5tsp/day and

let you all know if it helps.

Thanks again,

> >

> > Hello All,

> >

> > My son has been doing well recently after starting Valtrex/Diflucan

> > but we noticed that his eye stims like side-eye glancing, eyes going

> > out of focus, occasional eye crossing (mainly right eye) have

> > increases dramatically in the past couple weeks. But his interaction

> > and eye contact with us is much better.

> >

> > We thought we had the eye issues under control because it had been a

> > couple months since we saw so much eye stims. Does anyone have an

> > idea what is causing the eye stims and what supplements may help?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My son uses the flavored NN CLO too. The summer before last, I ran out and gave him some good quality CLO I had. He had a huge regression which lasted for months, even after I re-added the NN CLO. He's back on track now, but I'm terrified to stop this brand of CLO.

Kim

Subject: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:46 AM

Thanks everyone for the helpful comments. We are using NN CLO butswitched from children's DHA to the non-flavored kind because we wereconcerned with the flavoring in the children's version. But we mayswitch back to children's DHA. The eye stims were essentially gonefor 2-3 months. We are trying hard to remember what changed about 3-4weeks ago to cause it to come back. The only things we can rememberare starting the anti-virals/ fungals and switching CLO.We will start giving CLO (children's DHA version) at 1.5tsp/day andlet you all know if it helps.Thanks again,> >> > Hello All,> > > > My son has been doing well recently after starting Valtrex/Diflucan> > but we noticed that his eye stims like side-eye glancing, eyes going> > out of focus, occasional eye crossing (mainly right eye) have> > increases dramatically in the past couple weeks. But his interaction> > and eye contact with us is much better.> > > > We thought we had the eye issues

under control because it had been a> > couple months since we saw so much eye stims. Does anyone have an> > idea what is causing the eye stims and what supplements may help?> > > > Thanks,> > > >>

[Guest guest]

My DAN recommends 2500 IU of vitamins A

& D in CLO – so I give my 3.5 year old (47 lbs.) 2 teaspoons a day –

anyone else at this level? We use Carlson’s lemon flavored CLO. We did

initially have some of the side-ways glances, and sometimes he still closes one

eye and squints with the other (very rarely), but the sideways glancing has disappeared.

" Three

grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to

love, and something to hope for... "

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Kim

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008

11:53 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re:

Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,That is great about the side-eye glancing with your son. Are you saying that after you started the 2tsp of CLO per day eventually the side-eye glancing stopped? That is great motivation for us... thanks!Subject: RE: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 4:03 PM

My DAN recommends 2500 IU of vitamins A

& D in CLO – so I give my 3.5 year old (47 lbs.) 2 teaspoons a day –

anyone else at this level? We use Carlson’s lemon flavored CLO. We did

initially have some of the side-ways glances, and sometimes he still closes one

eye and squints with the other (very rarely), but the sideways glancing has disappeared.

"Three

grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to

love, and something to hope for..."

From: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Kim

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008

11:53 AM

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re:

Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?

[Guest guest]

Each brand is different as well... I give my son between 2 tsp of

Nordic Naturals CLO and achieve just over the same amount of Vitamin A

achieved by a mere 1/2 tsp of Kirkman's. But I like other benefits of

NN so it works out... There is a plethora of brands from which to

choose...

Diet also plays a role. A 1/2 tsp of Kirkman's provides 50% RDI of A,

but for some kids they get almost no A from their diet, while others

receive an abundance.

Intestinal damage and mucous also plays a role in exactly how much of

the nutrient value of any given food or supplement is actually absorbed.

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>

> >

> > We saw no effect from 1/2 tsp. cod liver oil. I told Dr. Megson that

> > we had increased dosage to 1 tsp. daily and she said that was fine.

> > And for MY child (based on weight/age) recommended we up to 1 1/2

> > tsp. for 3 wks. to try and get rid of the visual stims and then go

> > back to the 1 tsp.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I didn’t keep that good of track on the

timing of everything; however, I do know that he used to do a lot of that

glancing and my other kids thought it was really “cute” and “funny” – but I

knew it wouldn’t be so cute and funny if he was still doing it when he was 10…………….It

doesn’t happen anymore thankfully. Not sure what it’s contributed to, but I’m

keeping at the high dose of CLO.

He gets one teaspoon in the AM and one

before bed.

" Three

grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to

love, and something to hope for... "

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Houston

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008

1:07 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: RE: Re:

Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?

Hi ,

That is great about the side-eye glancing with your son. Are you saying

that after you started the 2tsp of CLO per day eventually the side-eye

glancing stopped?

That is great motivation for us... thanks!

From:

Koenigsknecht

Subject: RE: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing --

biomedical help?

To: mb12 valtrex

Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 4:03 PM

My

DAN recommends 2500 IU of vitamins A & D in CLO – so I give my 3.5 year

old (47 lbs.) 2 teaspoons a day – anyone else at this level? We use

Carlson’s lemon flavored CLO. We did initially have some of the

side-ways glances, and sometimes he still closes one eye and squints with the

other (very rarely), but the sideways glancing has disappeared.

" Three

grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to

love, and something to hope for... "

From: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com ] On

Behalf Of Kim

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008

11:53 AM

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups.

com

Subject: Re: Re:

Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?

[Guest guest]

Don't forget that CLO must be use within 3 months once opened.

That's what it is written on the bootle.

>

>

> Subject: RE: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye

crossing --

> biomedical help?

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 4:03 PM

>

> My DAN recommends 2500 IU of vitamins A & D in CLO - so I give my

3.5 year

> old (47 lbs.) 2 teaspoons a day - anyone else at this level? We use

> Carlson's lemon flavored CLO. We did initially have some of the

side-ways

> glances, and sometimes he still closes one eye and squints with the

other

> (very rarely), but the sideways glancing has disappeared.

>

>

>

> " Three grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to

do,

> something to love, and something to hope for... "

>

> _____

>

> From: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: mb12 valtrex@

yahoogroups. com ]

> On Behalf Of Kim

> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:53 AM

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Subject: Re: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye

crossing --

> biomedical help?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Just wanted to let everyone know that my wife and I checked our old

notebook (we used to keep good notes on our son's symptoms in the

beginning after starting GFCF) and we went through the same thing

back then.

His side-eye glancing and visual stims went away about 1 month after

starting CLO and the GFCF diet. Then a month later it came back. At

that time we switched CLO. After going back to the original the eye

stims went away. But we didn't really connect the dots back then.

That was about 3 months ago.

Just this morning we went back to the old CLO again and the eye stims

were redced after one day.

I am amazed that he is responding so much better to the one

particular brand of CLO. Both are from Nordic Naturals and both have

the same ingredients and the amount of Vit.A/D are the same. Only

difference is one has flavoring and the other does not.

So I think this confirms for us why the eye stims came back but I

would love to find out what really is different between those two

CLOs since the nutrition facts are the same.

>

>

> Subject: RE: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye

crossing --

> biomedical help?

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 4:03 PM

>

> My DAN recommends 2500 IU of vitamins A & D in CLO - so I give my

3.5 year

> old (47 lbs.) 2 teaspoons a day - anyone else at this level? We use

> Carlson's lemon flavored CLO. We did initially have some of the

side-ways

> glances, and sometimes he still closes one eye and squints with the

other

> (very rarely), but the sideways glancing has disappeared.

>

>

>

> " Three grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to

do,

> something to love, and something to hope for... "

>

> _____

>

> From: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: mb12 valtrex@

yahoogroups. com ]

> On Behalf Of Kim

> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:53 AM

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Subject: Re: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye

crossing --

> biomedical help?

>

[Guest guest]

The Vit. A measles protocal (4 rounds) cleared this up for us and he did it constantly!

HTH,

Kersten

[Guest guest]

where can i find this protocol? Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye crossing -- biomedical help?

The Vit. A measles protocal (4 rounds) cleared this up for us and he did it constantly!

HTH,

Kersten

[Guest guest]

Hi Kersten,

Can you tell us more about the Vit A protocal? After doing the

protocal the eye stims went away for good? That is great news!

Thanks,

>

> The Vit. A measles protocal (4 rounds) cleared this up for us and he

did it constantly!

>

> HTH,

>

> Kersten

>

>

[Guest guest]

Which CLO worked better -- the flavored or unflavored?

Hi All,

Just wanted to let everyone know that my wife and I checked our old

notebook (we used to keep good notes on our son's symptoms in the

beginning after starting GFCF) and we went through the same thing

back then.

His side-eye glancing and visual stims went away about 1 month after

starting CLO and the GFCF diet. Then a month later it came back. At

that time we switched CLO. After going back to the original the eye

stims went away. But we didn't really connect the dots back then.

That was about 3 months ago.

Just this morning we went back to the old CLO again and the eye stims

were redced after one day.

I am amazed that he is responding so much better to the one

particular brand of CLO. Both are from Nordic Naturals and both have

the same ingredients and the amount of Vit.A/D are the same. Only

difference is one has flavoring and the other does not.

So I think this confirms for us why the eye stims came back but I

would love to find out what really is different between those two

CLOs since the nutrition facts are the same.

>

>

> Subject: RE: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye

crossing --

> biomedical help?

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 4:03 PM

>

> My DAN recommends 2500 IU of vitamins A & D in CLO - so I give my

3.5 year

> old (47 lbs.) 2 teaspoons a day - anyone else at this level? We use

> Carlson's lemon flavored CLO. We did initially have some of the

side-ways

> glances, and sometimes he still closes one eye and squints with the

other

> (very rarely), but the sideways glancing has disappeared.

>

>

>

> " Three grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to

do,

> something to love, and something to hope for... "

>

> _____

>

> From: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: mb12 valtrex@

yahoogroups. com ]

> On Behalf Of Kim

> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:53 AM

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Subject: Re: Re: Side eye glancing, eye focus, eye

crossing --

> biomedical help?

>