Re: Re: Need Help Fast for my dog---TOM or anyone??

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Yes, I have MMS1 but mine is 1:1 ratio. So I would use 1 drop each, right?

 

So I would do this twice a day or every 4 hours which would be more often? I'm confused on that statement.  How much MSM would I give him? So far he isn't in much pain unless we pick him up. Not sure how much longer that will last though,

 

Thanks for your help. I also emailed .

 

Connie

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:36 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

With that diagnosis I would go for it. You have the MMS1 correct? If it were me I would take on drop considering it is a Yorkie activate it using 10% citric acid with 5 drops, really I would prefer you use mother vinegar in this case, but. Take 4CC of distilled water add to activated MMS1 draw 1/2 of mixture in syringe and squirt it in the little tykes mouth. Repeat every 4 hours 2 times daily. Also MSM would be good to help with pain.  I gave this same dose to a cat yesterday and day before that had been bitten and had a abscess, she is sleeping and doing fine the abscess is gone. I also have a friend that nay be able to help email at Wolfcreekranch, she is a herbalist healer of animals. Good Luck

http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/

>> I just found out my dog has kidney cancer or at least a  mass on his kidney.

> It is huge and they think the other kidney isn't working properly. We took> him the best vet in louisville which is 1 1/2 hours away. He spent the night> there with us thinking that he was having surgery this morning. Got back

> this morning and they said they didn't think it would do any good. We> brought him back home basically to die. He is still walking and getting> around. We are going to take him to the vet locally for fluids. They thought

> that might help some. They don't think he will last long and I don't want> him to suffer. So far he isn't.>> Do any of you think MMS will help at all at this point? I can't stand to

> lose him. He's a little yorkie and only 4 yrs old. I have some 1:1 MMS so if> you think it will help how much would I give him?>> Please help, I need answers fast.>> Thank you.

>> --> Connie>------------------------------------

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If that much citric acid upsets his stomach you can try (if you have the

50%) citric acid

5 drops mms to 1 drop citric acid

Then dilute that to a one drop dose.

Citric acid can be hard on a sensitive stomach

Activate with the above for 10 min

Try both, see what is tolerated best

rose

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Thanks so much. No, at this point I have nothing to lose. I can't stand the thoughts of losing him. He's only 4 and that's so young the vet said to get this type of cancer. Tanner is like my baby, he follows me no matter where I go. I'm sure going to miss that. He's being so good about lying here with his IV. I have lyme and he's laid with me in bed day after day. I'm going to hope for a miracle with this MMS.

 

Thanks again,

Connie

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:23 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Yes 1 to 1 if using 50% citric acid. I would give the animal 2 doses daily to start with 4 hours between. If progress is not seen make a judgement call, perhaps increase slowly. With the prognosis you have nothing to loose and much more to gain. I love my animals to. should email back soon put emergency on heading.

Good Luck.

> > >> > > I just found out my dog has kidney cancer or at least a  mass on his> > kidney.> > > It is huge and they think the other kidney isn't working properly. We> > took

> > > him the best vet in louisville which is 1 1/2 hours away. He spent the> > night> > > there with us thinking that he was having surgery this morning. Got back> > > this morning and they said they didn't think it would do any good. We

> > > brought him back home basically to die. He is still walking and getting> > > around. We are going to take him to the vet locally for fluids. They> > thought> > > that might help some. They don't think he will last long and I don't want

> > > him to suffer. So far he isn't.> > >> > > Do any of you think MMS will help at all at this point? I can't stand to> > > lose him. He's a little yorkie and only 4 yrs old. I have some 1:1 MMS so

> > if> > > you think it will help how much would I give him?> > >> > > Please help, I need answers fast.> > >> > > Thank you.> > >> > > --

> > > Connie> > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> >

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Thanks, I have some msm but the problem is he isn't eating anything. I'm hoping he will after the meds wear off they gave him for the ride home. I will try it if he starts eating.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:30 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

MSM is sold at most feed stores and it depends on the MSM. Mine is 1/8 teaspoon for every 30#. Your dog is such a litle tyke. Just sprinkle some on his fod daily perhaps.

http://www.arthritis-msm-supplements.com/msm_for_horses_dmso.htm

> > > >> > > > I just found out my dog has kidney cancer or at least a  mass on his

> > > kidney.> > > > It is huge and they think the other kidney isn't working properly. We> > > took> > > > him the best vet in louisville which is 1 1/2 hours away. He spent the

> > > night> > > > there with us thinking that he was having surgery this morning. Got back> > > > this morning and they said they didn't think it would do any good. We> > > > brought him back home basically to die. He is still walking and getting

> > > > around. We are going to take him to the vet locally for fluids. They> > > thought> > > > that might help some. They don't think he will last long and I don't want

> > > > him to suffer. So far he isn't.> > > >> > > > Do any of you think MMS will help at all at this point? I can't stand to> > > > lose him. He's a little yorkie and only 4 yrs old. I have some 1:1 MMS so

> > > if> > > > you think it will help how much would I give him?> > > >> > > > Please help, I need answers fast.> > > >> > > > Thank you.

> > > >> > > > --> > > > Connie> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------------

> > >> > >

[Guest guest]

Rose, mine is 1 :1 ratio so it won't be much citric acid.  Hopefully that much won't bother his stomach. He's been throwing up so much.

 

Thanks,

Connie

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:33 PM, palulukon <palulukon@...> wrote:

If that much citric acid upsets his stomach you can try (if you have the50%) citric acid5 drops mms to 1 drop citric acid

Then dilute that to a one drop dose.Citric acid can be hard on a sensitive stomachActivate with the above for 10 minTry both, see what is tolerated bestrose

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That's a good idea. Does it need to be spaced out from the MMS?

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:39 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

You could always do the MSM jsut like the MMS, use distilled water and syringe, of course without needle.

> > > > > >> > > > > > I just found out my dog has kidney cancer or at least a  mass on> > his> > > > > kidney.

> > > > > > It is huge and they think the other kidney isn't working properly.> > We> > > > > took> > > > > > him the best vet in louisville which is 1 1/2 hours away. He spent

> > the> > > > > night> > > > > > there with us thinking that he was having surgery this morning. Got> > back> > > > > > this morning and they said they didn't think it would do any good.

> > We> > > > > > brought him back home basically to die. He is still walking and> > getting> > > > > > around. We are going to take him to the vet locally for fluids.

> > They> > > > > thought> > > > > > that might help some. They don't think he will last long and I> > don't want> > > > > > him to suffer. So far he isn't.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Do any of you think MMS will help at all at this point? I can't> > stand to> > > > > > lose him. He's a little yorkie and only 4 yrs old. I have some 1:1

> > MMS so> > > > > if> > > > > > you think it will help how much would I give him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Please help, I need answers fast.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you.> > > > > >> > > > > > --> > > > > > Connie> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > >> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Rose, mine is 1 :1 ratio so it won't be much citric

acid. Hopefully that much won't bother his stomach. He's been throwing up

so much.

Thanks,

Connie

Connie, if your

citric acid is the 1:1 then that is the 50% citric acid which is stronger than

the citric acid they used to sell with mms which was 10%.

If he’s

been throwing up all ready I would really consider not using as much citric

acid.

50% citric acid

is what is being sold now. Marie’s (healinghope) recommendations

are based on Jim’s protocols which use higher concentrations of citric

acid.

Tom suggest with

50% citric acid to use 5 drops mms to 1 drop 50% citric acid, wait 10

min.

The other confusion comes from the amount of activator to

use. Jim Humble started out using vinegar to activate. Vinegar is

about 5% acetic acid. Jim Humble was in a hurry, so he upped the

activation ratio to 1:5. That is 1 part sodium chlorite to 5 parts

acid. When he changed to using citric acid, he failed to research all of

the industrial testing that has been done on finding the most effective ratio

of acid to sodium chlorite. His idea was that if 1:5 worked for 5% acid,

it should also work for 10% citric acid. He finally backed down when

people started using 50% citric acid.

If you use 50% citric acid the ratio changes to

1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to 5 parts sodium chlorite. If

you use 10% citric acid the ratio changes to 1:1. That is 1 part 10%

citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite.

The testing that I have done involving activation ratios

have revealed that when you use the industrial ratios and times the solution is

about 30 - 40% more effective than using the MMS protocol ratios and times.

Some people are sensitive to citric acid, and I think it

is better to use a more effective and more pure solution than one that changes

color quickly and ends up with excess citric acid and other impurities in

it.

[Guest guest]

This is all so confusing to me. So I can still use 5 parts MMS and 1 part citric and get the same results even though mine is a 1:1 ratio? How much would I give him doing it this way?

 

Thanks,

Connie

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:23 PM, palulukon <palulukon@...> wrote:

 Rose, mine is 1 :1 ratio so it won't be much citric acid.  Hopefully that much won't bother his stomach. He's been throwing up so much.

 Thanks,

Connie

 

Connie, if your citric acid is the 1:1 then that is the 50% citric acid which is stronger than the citric acid they used to sell with mms which was 10%.

If he’s been throwing up all ready I would really consider not using as much citric acid.

50% citric acid is what is being sold now.  Marie’s (healinghope) recommendations are based on Jim’s protocols which use higher concentrations of citric acid.

Tom suggest with 50% citric acid to use 5 drops mms to 1 drop 50% citric acid, wait 10 min. 

 

The other confusion comes from the amount of activator to use.  Jim Humble started out using vinegar to activate.  Vinegar is about 5% acetic acid.  Jim Humble was in a hurry, so he upped the activation ratio to 1:5.  That is 1 part sodium chlorite to 5 parts acid.  When he changed to using citric acid, he failed to research all of the industrial testing that has been done on finding the most effective ratio of acid to sodium chlorite.  His idea was that if 1:5 worked for 5% acid, it should also work for 10% citric acid.  He finally backed down when people started using 50% citric acid.

 

If you use 50% citric acid the ratio changes to 1:5.  That is 1 part 50% citric acid to 5 parts sodium chlorite.  If you use 10% citric acid the ratio changes to 1:1.  That is 1 part 10% citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite.

 

The testing that I have done involving activation ratios have revealed that when you use the industrial ratios and times the solution is about 30 - 40% more effective than using the MMS protocol ratios and times.

 

Some people are sensitive to citric acid, and I think it is better to use a more effective and more pure solution than one that changes color quickly and ends up with excess citric acid and other impurities in it. 

 

 

-- Connie

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Tom. So how much do I give him in the syringe each time?

 

He's had 2 doses so far of a 1:1 solution and I gave him 2cc each time. He seems a little better this morning. He's also on IV's as he won't eat or drink. He can still follow me around when he's not hooked up to his IV.

 

I will do today what you said just let me know how much each time.

 

Thanks so much,

Connie

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:45 PM, silverfox_science <poast@...> wrote:

Hello Connie,Sorry to hear about this.The goal in this case is to try to oxidate the cancer at the kidney.

Let me throw out a little different approach and you will have to decide what you are going to do.I would suggest that you take a liter bottle of water and add 17 drops of MMS to it.  Use a syringe and give your dog some of that 4 times the first day, then 3 times the second day, then twice a day after that until you use it all up.

A problem will be keeping the dog hydrated, so you may have to give plain water also.This method allows chlorite to build up in the organs, and if it comes into contact with the cancer, it may slow it down or kill it.

I haven't tried this with dogs, but we have used it with cats that were dying from kidney issues.  The acid activated solution only seemed to prolong life for 3 - 4 days, but the water activated solution stretched it out to 22 days.  Still a failure in my book, rather than a cure, but there was a general improvement in health during those days, and the owners were pleased with the results.

The problem, as I see it, is that as an animal nears death their whole system gets out of balance.  You end up juggling everything trying to keep them going.  With several balls in the air, it is easy to drop one.

I am sorry I can not help more...Tom

>

> I just found out my dog has kidney cancer or at least a  mass on his kidney.> It is huge and they think the other kidney isn't working properly. We took> him the best vet in louisville which is 1 1/2 hours away. He spent the night

> there with us thinking that he was having surgery this morning. Got back> this morning and they said they didn't think it would do any good. We> brought him back home basically to die. He is still walking and getting

> around. We are going to take him to the vet locally for fluids. They thought> that might help some. They don't think he will last long and I don't want> him to suffer. So far he isn't.>

> Do any of you think MMS will help at all at this point? I can't stand to> lose him. He's a little yorkie and only 4 yrs old. I have some 1:1 MMS so if> you think it will help how much would I give him?

>> Please help, I need answers fast.>> Thank you.>> --> Connie>

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On 2010-08-04 7:42 PM, Connie <momofyorkies101@...> wrote:

> This is all so confusing to me. So I can still use 5 parts MMS and 1

> part citric and get the same results even though mine is a 1:1 ratio?

> How much would I give him doing it this way?

You need to understand that it is confusing because there is simply not

enough reliable research to answer the questions of what *is* the

correct ratio/dose - we are *all* experimenting, even those using Jims

original protocols, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

If he is throwing it up every time, you'll just need to keep diluting it

until he can keep it down...

Thoughts and prayers - I've lost enough family pets to know how you are

feeling...

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tom and everyone else.

 

Connie

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM, silverfox_science <poast@...> wrote:

Hello Connie,I am not a veterinarian, so be sure to take my recommendation with the appropriate " grain of salt. "

With the cats we are using 10CC at a time.  It takes a while to get it down, but just take the time needed.

Tom

> > >> >  > I just found out my dog has kidney cancer or at least a  mass on his> > kidney.> > > It is huge and they think the other kidney isn't working properly. We> > took

> > > him the best vet in louisville which is 1 1/2 hours away. He spent the> > night> > > there with us thinking that he was having surgery this morning. Got back> > > this morning and they said they didn't think it would do any good. We

> > > brought him back home basically to die. He is still walking and getting> > > around. We are going to take him to the vet locally for fluids. They> > thought> > > that might help some. They don't think he will last long and I don't want

> > > him to suffer. So far he isn't.> > >> > > Do any of you think MMS will help at all at this point? I can't stand to> > > lose him. He's a little yorkie and only 4 yrs old. I have some 1:1 MMS so

> > if> > > you think it will help how much would I give him?> > >> > > Please help, I need answers fast.> > >> > > Thank you.> > >> > > --

> > > Connie> > >> >> >> >> >> >  ------------------------------------> >> >

[Guest guest]

Tom, is that MMS or MMS5?

Thanks for all your help to those of us on this group.

Sally A. Schreiber

________________________________

From: on behalf of silverfox_science

Sent: Wed 8/4/2010 10:45 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Need Help Fast for my dog---TOM or

anyone??

Hello Connie,

Sorry to hear about this.

The goal in this case is to try to oxidate the cancer at the kidney.

Let me throw out a little different approach and you will have to decide what

you are going to do.

I would suggest that you take a liter bottle of water and add 17 drops of MMS to

it. Use a syringe and give your dog some of that 4 times the first day, then 3

times the second day, then twice a day after that until you use it all up.

A problem will be keeping the dog hydrated, so you may have to give plain water

also.

This method allows chlorite to build up in the organs, and if it comes into

contact with the cancer, it may slow it down or kill it.

I haven't tried this with dogs, but we have used it with cats that were dying

from kidney issues. The acid activated solution only seemed to prolong life for

3 - 4 days, but the water activated solution stretched it out to 22 days. Still

a failure in my book, rather than a cure, but there was a general improvement in

health during those days, and the owners were pleased with the results.

The problem, as I see it, is that as an animal nears death their whole system

gets out of balance. You end up juggling everything trying to keep them going.

With several balls in the air, it is easy to drop one.

I am sorry I can not help more...

Tom

>

> I just found out my dog has kidney cancer or at least a mass on his kidney.

> It is huge and they think the other kidney isn't working properly. We took

> him the best vet in louisville which is 1 1/2 hours away. He spent the night

> there with us thinking that he was having surgery this morning. Got back

> this morning and they said they didn't think it would do any good. We

> brought him back home basically to die. He is still walking and getting

> around. We are going to take him to the vet locally for fluids. They thought

> that might help some. They don't think he will last long and I don't want

> him to suffer. So far he isn't.

>

> Do any of you think MMS will help at all at this point? I can't stand to

> lose him. He's a little yorkie and only 4 yrs old. I have some 1:1 MMS so if

> you think it will help how much would I give him?

>

> Please help, I need answers fast.

>

> Thank you.

>

> --

> Connie

>

[Guest guest]

Perfect!

Thanks a bunch.

Sally A. Schreiber

________________________________

From: on behalf of silverfox_science

Sent: Thu 8/5/2010 3:52 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Need Help Fast for my dog---TOM or

anyone??

Hello Sally,

That is the 22.4% sodium chlorite solution.

Tom

> >

> > I just found out my dog has kidney cancer or at least a mass on his kidney.

> > It is huge and they think the other kidney isn't working properly. We took

> > him the best vet in louisville which is 1 1/2 hours away. He spent the night

> > there with us thinking that he was having surgery this morning. Got back

> > this morning and they said they didn't think it would do any good. We

> > brought him back home basically to die. He is still walking and getting

> > around. We are going to take him to the vet locally for fluids. They thought

> > that might help some. They don't think he will last long and I don't want

> > him to suffer. So far he isn't.

> >

> > Do any of you think MMS will help at all at this point? I can't stand to

> > lose him. He's a little yorkie and only 4 yrs old. I have some 1:1 MMS so if

> > you think it will help how much would I give him?

> >

> > Please help, I need answers fast.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > --

> > Connie

> >

>