Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 So what I got when I bought my MMS was the 50% citric acid i.e. it came with it as part of the package--and the instructions were: 1drop MMS to five drops citric acid. So this means that I have to buy a bottle of 10% citric acid? I already am making my own colloidal silver-hydrogen peroxide and liposomal vit C --oh, and distilled water, so I would rather buy the citric acid than make it as I really don't have the room or time. Does anyone know a good source in the UK? I have googled but this is where I got the rather confusing information about the 50% type. dee On 3 Aug 2010, at 00:53, healinghope wrote: > 10% 9 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 9 teaspoons water 10% > 50% 1 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 1 teaspoon water 50% > > > > ------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Dee trywww.mineral-solutions.net I used them to get some delivered to the uk. Regards, MiandadFrom: Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@...>Sender: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:47:03 +0100< >Reply Subject: Re: [ ] Making Citric Acid So what I got when I bought my MMS was the 50% citric acid i.e. it came with it as part of the package--and the instructions were: 1drop MMS to five drops citric acid. So this means that I have to buy a bottle of 10% citric acid? I already am making my own colloidal silver-hydrogen peroxide and liposomal vit C --oh, and distilled water, so I would rather buy the citric acid than make it as I really don't have the room or time. Does anyone know a good source in the UK? I have googled but this is where I got the rather confusing information about the 50% type. deeOn 3 Aug 2010, at 00:53, healinghope wrote:> 10% 9 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 9 teaspoons water 10%> 50% 1 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 1 teaspoon water 50%> > > > ------------------------------------> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Thanks Miandad. dee On 3 Aug 2010, at 09:55, miandad_r@... wrote: > > > Dee try > > www.mineral-solutions.net > > I used them to get some delivered to the uk. > > Regards, Miandad > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 hi that seems confusing indeed.so what you receive is an empty bottle labeled 50% citric acid and citric acid crystals? or the bottle it already contains liquid citric acid of 50% concentration? that's a first thing you need to clarify.second, assume you have 50% citric acid in that bottle (either pre-packed or made by yourself); the instructions are confusing because the standard protocol is (sorry to reapeat, it was posted here hundreds of times)for 10% citric acid:for each 1 part of MMS (ie 1 drop, 1 teaspoon, whatever) you add 5 parts of that 10% citric acid. Most people speak drops because that's how MMS bottles are packed, with a dropper on top.for 50% citric acid:for each part of MMS, add 1 part of 50% citric acid.Now your instructions say for 1 part of MMS add 5 parts of that 50% citric acid (at least labeled as 50%); imo, you should call your supplier and clarify this too. > 10% 9 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 9 teaspoons water 10% > 50% 1 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 1 teaspoon water 50% > > > > ------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 This ratio is making citric acid from citric acid crystals or dry powder, not pre-made citric acid. > > > 10% 9 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 9 teaspoons water 10% > > 50% 1 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 1 teaspoon water 50% > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 It is in liquid form and it just says to use 1 part MMS and 5 parts of the Citric acid. Because of all the posts on this subject I am assuming this is 50% CA because if it was 10% wouldn't it say 1 part of each? Unfortunately, there is no information on the bottle-it just says 'citric acid' it does say MMS 28% on the other bottle though. thanks for trying to help. dee On 3 Aug 2010, at 10:21, fiordean dacian wrote: > > > hi that seems confusing indeed. > > so what you receive is an empty bottle labeled 50% citric acid and citric acid crystals? or the bottle it already contains liquid citric acid of 50% concentration? that's a first thing you need to clarify. > > second, assume you have 50% citric acid in that bottle (either pre-packed or made by yourself); the instructions are confusing because the standard protocol is (sorry to reapeat, it was posted here hundreds of times) > > for 10% citric acid: > > for each 1 part of MMS (ie 1 drop, 1 teaspoon, whatever) you add 5 parts of that 10% citric acid. Most people speak drops because that's how MMS bottles are packed, with a dropper on top. > > for 50% citric acid: > > for each part of MMS, add 1 part of 50% citric acid. > > Now your instructions say for 1 part of MMS add 5 parts of that 50% citric acid (at least labeled as 50%); imo, you should call your supplier and clarify this too. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 On 2010-08-03 8:53 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@...> wrote: > It is in liquid form and it just says to use 1 part MMS and 5 parts > of the Citric acid. Because of all the posts on this subject I am > assuming this is 50% CA because if it was 10% wouldn't it say 1 part > of each? If this is from someone selling the original 'MMS' (aka MMS1), then yes, that is the original protocol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 oh boy, so I guess the source of confusion is you and not your supplier or the labeled bottle (which is not even labeled you say)!If it says to mix 1 part MMS and 5 parts citric acid then IT IS 10% CITRIC ACID! Don't make assumptions like that, if in doubt call your supplier and clarify anything you're in doubt about. > > > hi that seems confusing indeed. > > so what you receive is an empty bottle labeled 50% citric acid and citric acid crystals? or the bottle it already contains liquid citric acid of 50% concentration? that's a first thing you need to clarify. > > second, assume you have 50% citric acid in that bottle (either pre-packed or made by yourself); the instructions are confusing because the standard protocol is (sorry to reapeat, it was posted here hundreds of times) > > for 10% citric acid: > > for each 1 part of MMS (ie 1 drop, 1 teaspoon, whatever) you add 5 parts of that 10% citric acid. Most people speak drops because that's how MMS bottles are packed, with a dropper on top. > > for 50% citric acid: > > for each part of MMS, add 1 part of 50% citric acid. > > Now your instructions say for 1 part of MMS add 5 parts of that 50% citric acid (at least labeled as 50%); imo, you should call your supplier and clarify this too. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 This is where the confusion came about. I have changed computers and so don't know where I got it from as the invoice was on the old one which was wiped. Its because of all the info here about only using one drop as opposed to five that I got confused. Mind you, I did say all this at the beginning and what I wanted to know was - can you just put in 1 drop with the MMS or wouldn't that be any good? Simple really <lol> dee On 3 Aug 2010, at 14:28, fiordean dacian wrote: > > > oh boy, so I guess the source of confusion is you and not your supplier or the labeled bottle (which is not even labeled you say)! > > If it says to mix 1 part MMS and 5 parts citric acid then IT IS 10% CITRIC ACID! Don't make assumptions like that, if in doubt call your supplier and clarify anything you're in doubt about. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Hello Dee, You have choices. If you want to follow the MMS protocol and have 10% citric acid you would mix 1 part sodium chlorite to 5 parts citric acid. If you want to follow the activation ratio that industry has proven to be more effective you would mix 1 part sodium chlorite to 1 part citric acid. You have to decide which one you want to use. Both ratios will activate the sodium chlorite, it is just that the 1:1 ratio is more effective because it isn't polluted with excess citric acid. It is also easier on the stomach. Tom --- In , Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@...> wrote: > > This is where the confusion came about. I have changed computers and so don't know where I got it from as the invoice was on the old one which was wiped. Its because of all the info here about only using one drop as opposed to five that I got confused. Mind you, I did say all this at the beginning and what I wanted to know was - can you just put in 1 drop with the MMS or wouldn't that be any good? Simple really <lol> dee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Tom... You might also mention the activation time is ten minutes with the 1:1 ratio. > > > Hello Dee, > > You have choices. > > If you want to follow the MMS protocol and have 10% citric acid you would mix > > 1 part sodium chlorite to 5 parts citric acid. > > If you want to follow the activation ratio that industry has proven to be more effective you would mix > > 1 part sodium chlorite to 1 part citric acid. > > You have to decide which one you want to use. > > Both ratios will activate the sodium chlorite, it is just that the 1:1 ratio is more effective because it isn't polluted with excess citric acid. It is also easier on the stomach. > > Tom > > > --- In , Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@> wrote: > > > > This is where the confusion came about. I have changed computers and so don't know where I got it from as the invoice was on the old one which was wiped. Its because of all the info here about only using one drop as opposed to five that I got confused. Mind you, I did say all this at the beginning and what I wanted to know was - can you just put in 1 drop with the MMS or wouldn't that be any good? Simple really <lol> dee > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Hello Mflynn44, Oops, that is correct. Tom > > > > > > This is where the confusion came about. I have changed computers and so don't know where I got it from as the invoice was on the old one which was wiped. Its because of all the info here about only using one drop as opposed to five that I got confused. Mind you, I did say all this at the beginning and what I wanted to know was - can you just put in 1 drop with the MMS or wouldn't that be any good? Simple really <lol> dee > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 if you use 50$% 3-4 drops can be put in a capsul exual drops from b bottle.drink before and after.this is the more convenient the way to take. gb > > > 10% 9 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 9 teaspoons water 10% > > 50% 1 to 1/ for instance 1 teaspoon citric acid 1 teaspoon water 50% > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 Hello Dee, Now that you have that figured out, I am afraid that things are going to get confusing again... The amount of water you add directly effects the concentration of the solution. The " real " question is what concentration is needed to kill pathogens in the body...? We know what it takes to kill pathogens in water and on hard surfaces and in the air, but no studies are available to address the concentrations needed to kill pathogens inside the body. Once again you have to make a decision. If you think your body is like water, the concentration used to purify water is around 2 PPM. You would add about 20 liters of water to your 5 drops to make that concentration. If you think your body is like a hard surface that allows you to put the solution into direct contact with the pathogen, you then have to determine if you are fighting bacteria, fungus, or viruses. Most bacteria can be killed with a concentration of 50 PPM. You would add 800 ml of water to your 5 drop dose to make that concentration. Most fungus can be killed with a concentration of 100 PPM. You would add 400 ml of water to your 5 drop dose to make that concentration. Most viruses can be killed with a concentration of 5000 PPM. You would add 8 ml of water to your 5 drops to make that concentration, but that is strong enough to poison you and make you very sick. Anthrax was eliminated from the air in the Senate building with a concentration of 560000 PPM, as another reference point. I think this was a little " over kill " but they wanted to err on the side of caution. Jim Humble claims to have around 95% success using half a cup of water. If you believe his claim, that will give you a concentration of 320 PPM. Of course he also claimed success using the 15 drop dose in half a glass of water, and that concentration is about 950 PPM. As you can see, this is a very difficult question to answer, and there isn't much to go on to help with the answer. As part of the " great experiment " you will have to figure this out on your own. Here are some general guidelines that may help. Oxidizers only work on things that can be oxidized. Oxidizers only work by being able to get a high enough concentration in contact with the pathogen for a long enough time to kill it. Oxidizers can cause oxidative stress, so the person has to be able to withstand the treatment hopefully with minimal adverse effects. Tom --- In , Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@...> wrote: > > The penny has finally dropped! (I'm sure all will be relieved) just one final thing - if I do the 1.1 do I use the same amount of water - ie. half a glass - say with 5 drops sodium chlorite and 5 drops of citric acid? Or would you need more water? thanks....dee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 Tom Not only Jim Humble claims success with this ratio and Malaria so do the Lutherans. This continually is overlooked, and I did not call this a study, so retract the claws. http://www.malaria01.org/ > > > Hello Dee, > > Now that you have that figured out, I am afraid that things are going to get confusing again... > > The amount of water you add directly effects the concentration of the solution. > > The " real " question is what concentration is needed to kill pathogens in the body...? > > We know what it takes to kill pathogens in water and on hard surfaces and in the air, but no studies are available to address the concentrations needed to kill pathogens inside the body. > > Once again you have to make a decision. > > If you think your body is like water, the concentration used to purify water is around 2 PPM. You would add about 20 liters of water to your 5 drops to make that concentration. > > If you think your body is like a hard surface that allows you to put the solution into direct contact with the pathogen, you then have to determine if you are fighting bacteria, fungus, or viruses. Most bacteria can be killed with a concentration of 50 PPM. You would add 800 ml of water to your 5 drop dose to make that concentration. Most fungus can be killed with a concentration of 100 PPM. You would add 400 ml of water to your 5 drop dose to make that concentration. Most viruses can be killed with a concentration of 5000 PPM. You would add 8 ml of water to your 5 drops to make that concentration, but that is strong enough to poison you and make you very sick. > > Anthrax was eliminated from the air in the Senate building with a concentration of 560000 PPM, as another reference point. I think this was a little " over kill " but they wanted to err on the side of caution. > > Jim Humble claims to have around 95% success using half a cup of water. If you believe his claim, that will give you a concentration of 320 PPM. > > Of course he also claimed success using the 15 drop dose in half a glass of water, and that concentration is about 950 PPM. > > As you can see, this is a very difficult question to answer, and there isn't much to go on to help with the answer. As part of the " great experiment " you will have to figure this out on your own. > > Here are some general guidelines that may help. > > Oxidizers only work on things that can be oxidized. > > Oxidizers only work by being able to get a high enough concentration in contact with the pathogen for a long enough time to kill it. > > Oxidizers can cause oxidative stress, so the person has to be able to withstand the treatment hopefully with minimal adverse effects. > > Tom > > > --- In , Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@> wrote: > > > > The penny has finally dropped! (I'm sure all will be relieved) just one final thing - if I do the 1.1 do I use the same amount of water - ie. half a glass - say with 5 drops sodium chlorite and 5 drops of citric acid? Or would you need more water? thanks....dee > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 Rose It gets old if I write of Humbles writings I get attacked, there is more than just Toms way to. Perhaps both have advantages, but I can write the way it has been written as well. Tom and you get old to me as well. --- In , " palulukon " <palulukon@...> wrote: > > Healinghope wrote > > Tom Not only Jim Humble claims success with this ratio and Malaria so do the > Lutherans. > > Healinghope...the reported malaria studies are for one or two day treatments > max. What we are talking about here treating a pup for an ongoing time is a > completely different situation. > > There is absolutely nothing wrong in trying activation with less citric acid > and actually evidence that it is more advantageous. > > You keep wanting to prove Jim's way is the only way. It gets old > > rose > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 Hello Healinghope, How many people in this group have asked about treating malaria...? Dee has not mentioned that she has malaria. Dee if you have malaria, mix up a dose according to Dr. Hesselinks protocol and drink it. You will only need one dose, or maybe two at the most and then you can get on with your life. You will have to fast a few hours before taking it, be sure not to mix anything but water with it, fast a while after taking it, and I believe he adjusts the dose according to body mass and does not use a " universal " dose. One dose will not cause enough oxidative stress to be harmful. Malaria is an interesting disease. Simple malaria responds to the various malaria drugs quite well, until the parasite becomes resistant to the drugs. Complex malaria is more difficult to treat. An experimental treatment involves blood transfusions. The idea is that if the blood can be cleared of the infected blood cells and toxins the patient will recover. It is the " off record " opinion of many medical professionals that chlorous acid is capable of killing off the weakened blood cells and that stimulates the production of new blood cells. If the concentration of the parasite is reduced enough, and the new blood cells numerous enough, the disease is defeated. While this goes against Jim Humbles idea that MMS doesn't harm anything but pathogens, I think that Dr. Hesselink, and others that are familiar with oxidation therapy, understand this very well. Tom --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...> wrote: > > Tom Not only Jim Humble claims success with this ratio and Malaria so do the Lutherans. This continually is overlooked, and I did not call this a study, so retract the claws. > http://www.malaria01.org/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 Hello Dave, Yes, Dee mentioned activating with citric acid. Tom > > Tom, > Is it 5 drops activated you talk about? > Regards, > Dave > > [ ] Re: Making Citric Acid > > > > Hello Dee, > > Now that you have that figured out, I am afraid that things are going to get confusing again... > > The amount of water you add directly effects the concentration of the solution. > > The " real " question is what concentration is needed to kill pathogens in the body...? > > We know what it takes to kill pathogens in water and on hard surfaces and in the air, but no studies are available to address the concentrations needed to kill pathogens inside the body. > > Once again you have to make a decision. > > If you think your body is like water, the concentration used to purify water is around 2 PPM. You would add about 20 liters of water to your 5 drops to make that concentration. > > If you think your body is like a hard surface that allows you to put the solution into direct contact with the pathogen, you then have to determine if you are fighting bacteria, fungus, or viruses. Most bacteria can be killed with a concentration of 50 PPM. You would add 800 ml of water to your 5 drop dose to make that concentration. Most fungus can be killed with a concentration of 100 PPM. You would add 400 ml of water to your 5 drop dose to make that concentration. Most viruses can be killed with a concentration of 5000 PPM. You would add 8 ml of water to your 5 drops to make that concentration, but that is strong enough to poison you and make you very sick. > > Anthrax was eliminated from the air in the Senate building with a concentration of 560000 PPM, as another reference point. I think this was a little " over kill " but they wanted to err on the side of caution. > > Jim Humble claims to have around 95% success using half a cup of water. If you believe his claim, that will give you a concentration of 320 PPM. > > Of course he also claimed success using the 15 drop dose in half a glass of water, and that concentration is about 950 PPM. > > As you can see, this is a very difficult question to answer, and there isn't much to go on to help with the answer. As part of the " great experiment " you will have to figure this out on your own. > > Here are some general guidelines that may help. > > Oxidizers only work on things that can be oxidized. > > Oxidizers only work by being able to get a high enough concentration in contact with the pathogen for a long enough time to kill it. > > Oxidizers can cause oxidative stress, so the person has to be able to withstand the treatment hopefully with minimal adverse effects. > > Tom > > --- In , Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@> wrote: > > > > The penny has finally dropped! (I'm sure all will be relieved) just one final thing - if I do the 1.1 do I use the same amount of water - ie. half a glass - say with 5 drops sodium chlorite and 5 drops of citric acid? Or would you need more water? thanks....dee > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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