Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 4. Owners and Moderators back each other up 100% no questions asked. I own a list, is my moderator. If I went off the wall I would EXPECT her to say something and she is of like mind. Questioning errant behavior has a good check and balance feature. Fortunately we are both charming ladies and always have total clarity J She doesn’t smoke and I do…but she knows how to *hug a smoker* so I’ll keep her around Xxx rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 SHOULDN'T THIS BE FINAL? Best Regards,Remi Here is how it works. Owners: Own the group and have absolute final say in how it's run. Moderators: Owners (with a lick of sense) appoint Moderators for 4 reasons. 1. To help run the group 2. Moderators have the SAME privileges as the owner and speak FOR the owner. 3. To help keep each other "in line" or correct each other when out of line. 4. Owners and Moderators back each other up 100% no questions asked. Members have NO say in how a group is run, they can go start their own group if unhappy. This is not my first time around this block (in this and other groups). When peace is established in the group I will fade into the background (my preferred position) unless needed again . Contrary to popular opinion this is not something I enjoy. I am in this position out of necessity because of argumentative members that have no self control. I would suggest that some of you keep your comments to yourself as Moderating is emminent. Bill -- To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 SHOULDN'T THIS BE FINAL? Best Regards, Remi Well, if it should Remi, then in Bill’s original rules Absolutely no flaming is allowed in this group on or off list. No insults, name calling or inappropriate comments to or about other members. Do ya think that calling Tom an assassin on ’s list on Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:03 pm would qualify? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Kathy here, Co-Moderator I assume. Bill and I have not really discussed how to work together and Co-Moderate things so maybe we need direction from the list owner, who will always have the final say. I suggest before actions are taken, Bill and I discuss what needs to be done, then if we dont agree, ask the owner to make the final decision. That is how I envision the co-moderating to work, anyway. There would not be this list if it were not for its members, so I guess I see the members as vital to doing what this list is intended to do. We are adults, and should treat each other with respect, regardless of our agreeing or not. I, personally, did not see Toms post as offensive, but can certainly see the point Bill makes and the changes he posted were harmless and more conducive to harmony. I wish Humble himself would join us here, but realize his time and resources are tapped. I did, however, take offense to this post: ********************************************************************************\ *** From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Wen Zhu Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:49 AM Subject: [ ] Bravo! Well, considering how Rose is, this was rather brave. I could not agree with you more. Do you know about the Humble_MMS group http://tech./group/Humble_MMS/ ? Jim Humble is respected there along with thoughts like yours below. Maybe you should join us. ********************************************************************************\ *** Now, the title was snarky, for lack of a better term, but I did not say anything thinking that Bill would " be the heavy " but assumed that since he did not comment on it, he perhaps missed that post. This to me is a perfect example of personal flaming. Were it said about me, then I might take it as a compliment I guess if you look at things like I do. Were I the only moderator, I would have sent the person who posted this a private reminder about no flaming and requested a response privately if further discussion were needed. The list, in my opinion, has enough non MMS info and bickering to read about, but perhaps prefers it to be more open, and if so I will follow her wishes. Bottom line for me is to make this list be a conducive one for information about MMS, regardless what methods you choose to utilize, and I have done them many of them, including those not even mentioned so far on this list. I think Bill and I can work together to make this a fair and safe list, enjoyable and even a lifesaving one. I also hope that the last public post about this will be from , confirming her ideas and ideals for this list, and that way Bill and I can make life easier for her and all others here Kathy > > Here is how it works. > > Owners: Own the group and have absolute final say in how it's run. > Moderators: Owners (with a lick of sense) appoint Moderators for 4 reasons. > > 1. To help run the group > 2. Moderators have the SAME privileges as the owner and speak FOR the owner. > 3. To help keep each other " in line " or correct each other when out of line. > 4. Owners and Moderators back each other up 100% no questions asked. > > Members have NO say in how a group is run, they can go start their own > group if unhappy. > > This is not my first time around this block (in this and other groups). > When peace is established in the group I will fade into the background > (my preferred position) unless needed again . > > Contrary to popular opinion this is not something I enjoy. I am in this > position out of necessity because of argumentative members that have no > self control. > > I would suggest that some of you keep your comments to yourself as > Moderating is emminent. > > Bill > > -- > To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 My most humble apologies. It was intended to be sent private and not public to the list. It was an awful mistake, if you need to ban me I will understand. From: filaluvr <Filaluvr@...> Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 7:22:56 PMSubject: [ ] Re: Owners vs Moderators Kathy here, Co-Moderator I assume. Bill and I have not really discussed how to work together and Co-Moderate things so maybe we need direction from the list owner, who will always have the final say. I suggest before actions are taken, Bill and I discuss what needs to be done, then if we dont agree, ask the owner to make the final decision. That is how I envision the co-moderating to work, anyway. There would not be this list if it were not for its members, so I guess I see the members as vital to doing what this list is intended to do. We are adults, and should treat each other with respect, regardless of our agreeing or not. I, personally, did not see Toms post as offensive, but can certainly see the point Bill makes and the changes he posted were harmless and more conducive to harmony. I wish Humble himself would join us here, but realize his time and resources are tapped.I did, however, take offense to this post:*********************************************************************************** From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Wen ZhuSent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:49 AM Subject: [ ] Bravo!Well, considering how Rose is, this was rather brave. I could not agree with you more. Do you know about the Humble_MMS group http://tech./group/Humble_MMS/ ? Jim Humble is respected there along with thoughts like yours below. Maybe you should join us. ***********************************************************************************Now, the title was snarky, for lack of a better term, but I did not say anything thinking that Bill would "be the heavy" but assumed that since he did not comment on it, he perhaps missed that post. This to me is a perfect example of personal flaming. Were it said about me, then I might take it as a compliment I guess if you look at things like I do. Were I the only moderator, I would have sent the person who posted this a private reminder about no flaming and requested a response privately if further discussion were needed. The list, in my opinion, has enough non MMS info and bickering to read about, but perhaps prefers it to be more open, and if so I will follow her wishes. Bottom line for me is to make this list be a conducive one for information about MMS, regardless what methods you choose to utilize, and I have done them many of them, including those not even mentioned so far on this list. I think Bill and I can work together to make this a fair and safe list, enjoyable and even a lifesaving one. I also hope that the last public post about this will be from , confirming her ideas and ideals for this list, and that way Bill and I can make life easier for her and all others here :)Kathy >> Here is how it works.> > Owners: Own the group and have absolute final say in how it's run.> Moderators: Owners (with a lick of sense) appoint Moderators for 4 reasons.> > 1. To help run the group> 2. Moderators have the SAME privileges as the owner and speak FOR the owner.> 3. To help keep each other "in line" or correct each other when out of line.> 4. Owners and Moderators back each other up 100% no questions asked.> > Members have NO say in how a group is run, they can go start their own > group if unhappy.> > This is not my first time around this block (in this and other groups). > When peace is established in the group I will fade into the background > (my preferred position) unless needed again .> > Contrary to popular opinion this is not something I enjoy. I am in this > position out of necessity because of argumentative members that have no > self control.> > I would suggest that some of you keep your comments to yourself as > Moderating is emminent.> > Bill> > -- > To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Wen, I have no plans to ban anyone at the moment and thanks for the apology. It has happened to the best of us, things going where we didn't intend them to. But, your mistake did offer a good example of what we dont need to see here, in my opinion and it offered others another list to subscribe to that I was not aware of. Be well, Kathy "We are being taxed to blow up bridges in Iraq and rebuild them, while ours are falling down." Read the Revolution: A Manifesto by Ron Campaign For Liberty "Freedom to make bad decisions is inherent in the freedom to make good ones. If we are only free to make good decisions, we are not really free. " Dr Ron Like Liberty and want to keep it? We can help Congressman Ron [ ] Bravo! Well, considering how Rose is, this was rather brave. I could not agree with you more. Do you know about the Humble_MMS group http://tech./group/Humble_MMS/ ? Jim Humble is respected there along with thoughts like yours below. Maybe you should join us. *********************************************************************************** Now, the title was snarky, for lack of a better term, but I did not say anything thinking that Bill would "be the heavy" but assumed that since he did not comment on it, he perhaps missed that post. This to me is a perfect example of personal flaming. Were it said about me, then I might take it as a compliment I guess if you look at things like I do. Were I the only moderator, I would have sent the person who posted this a private reminder about no flaming and requested a response privately if further discussion were needed. The list, in my opinion, has enough non MMS info and bickering to read about, but perhaps prefers it to be more open, and if so I will follow her wishes. Bottom line for me is to make this list be a conducive one for information about MMS, regardless what methods you choose to utilize, and I have done them many of them, including those not even mentioned so far on this list. I think Bill and I can work together to make this a fair and safe list, enjoyable and even a lifesaving one. I also hope that the last public post about this will be from , confirming her ideas and ideals for this list, and that way Bill and I can make life easier for her and all others here Kathy > > Here is how it works. > > Owners: Own the group and have absolute final say in how it's run. > Moderators: Owners (with a lick of sense) appoint Moderators for 4 reasons. > > 1. To help run the group > 2. Moderators have the SAME privileges as the owner and speak FOR the owner. > 3. To help keep each other "in line" or correct each other when out of line. > 4. Owners and Moderators back each other up 100% no questions asked. > > Members have NO say in how a group is run, they can go start their own > group if unhappy. > > This is not my first time around this block (in this and other groups). > When peace is established in the group I will fade into the background > (my preferred position) unless needed again . > > Contrary to popular opinion this is not something I enjoy. I am in this > position out of necessity because of argumentative members that have no > self control. > > I would suggest that some of you keep your comments to yourself as > Moderating is emminent. > > Bill > > -- > To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Bill Is doing a good job of reining in the snarkiness. Yes , hes more hard nosed about flaming and confrontation than I am, but that was the whole point of recruiting his help.I agree with Kathy we need to make this a comfortable place to come for information about MMS.I was getting uncomforable with the amount of contention we were experiencing.I expect once the list is free from that contention we wont have to be so tight on the moderation.We have a life saving substance here we need to share with those in need ,Most of us are here to learn and help each other.Lets keep that goal in mind.Thanks everyone for bearing with us as we iron out our moderating style. I appreciate our new moderators,They are doing a good job. I may be off line most of the next few days. If I cant be reached, Daddybob will help moderate if a moderator tiebreaker is needed. But it seems like we moderators are all closely aligned as to what needs to be done to make peace at the group. Wilkins From: Kathy <Filaluvr@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Owners vs Moderators Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 11:14 PM Wen, I have no plans to ban anyone at the moment and thanks for the apology. It has happened to the best of us, things going where we didn't intend them to. But, your mistake did offer a good example of what we dont need to see here, in my opinion and it offered others another list to subscribe to that I was not aware of. Be well, Kathy"We are being taxed to blow up bridges in Iraq and rebuild them, while ours are falling down." Read the Revolution: A Manifesto by Ron Campaign For Liberty"Freedom to make bad decisions is inherent in the freedom to make good ones. If we are only free to make good decisions, we are not really free. " Dr Ron Like Liberty and want to keep it? We can helpCongressman Ron [ ] Re: Owners vs Moderators Kathy here, Co-Moderator I assume. Bill and I have not really discussed how to work together and Co-Moderate things so maybe we need direction from the list owner, who will always have the final say. I suggest before actions are taken, Bill and I discuss what needs to be done, then if we dont agree, ask the owner to make the final decision. That is how I envision the co-moderating to work, anyway. There would not be this list if it were not for its members, so I guess I see the members as vital to doing what this list is intended to do. We are adults, and should treat each other with respect, regardless of our agreeing or not. I, personally, did not see Toms post as offensive, but can certainly see the point Bill makes and the changes he posted were harmless and more conducive to harmony. I wish Humble himself would join us here, but realize his time and resources are tapped.I did, however, take offense to this post:*********************************************************************************** From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Wen ZhuSent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:49 AM Subject: [ ] Bravo!Well, considering how Rose is, this was rather brave. I could not agree with you more. Do you know about the Humble_MMS group http://tech./group/Humble_MMS/ ? Jim Humble is respected there along with thoughts like yours below. Maybe you should join us. ***********************************************************************************Now, the title was snarky, for lack of a better term, but I did not say anything thinking that Bill would "be the heavy" but assumed that since he did not comment on it, he perhaps missed that post. This to me is a perfect example of personal flaming. Were it said about me, then I might take it as a compliment I guess if you look at things like I do. Were I the only moderator, I would have sent the person who posted this a private reminder about no flaming and requested a response privately if further discussion were needed. The list, in my opinion, has enough non MMS info and bickering to read about, but perhaps prefers it to be more open, and if so I will follow her wishes. Bottom line for me is to make this list be a conducive one for information about MMS, regardless what methods you choose to utilize, and I have done them many of them, including those not even mentioned so far on this list. I think Bill and I can work together to make this a fair and safe list, enjoyable and even a lifesaving one. I also hope that the last public post about this will be from , confirming her ideas and ideals for this list, and that way Bill and I can make life easier for her and all others here :)Kathy >> Here is how it works.> > Owners: Own the group and have absolute final say in how it's run.> Moderators: Owners (with a lick of sense) appoint Moderators for 4 reasons.> > 1. To help run the group> 2. Moderators have the SAME privileges as the owner and speak FOR the owner.> 3. To help keep each other "in line" or correct each other when out of line.> 4. Owners and Moderators back each other up 100% no questions asked.> > Members have NO say in how a group is run, they can go start their own > group if unhappy.> > This is not my first time around this block (in this and other groups). > When peace is established in the group I will fade into the background > (my preferred position) unless needed again .> > Contrary to popular opinion this is not something I enjoy. I am in this > position out of necessity because of argumentative members that have no > self control.> > I would suggest that some of you keep your comments to yourself as > Moderating is emminent.> > Bill> > -- > To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 While we're at it, let's talk about "clipping" the loooooooong posts. For the folks that are on "Daily Digest", sorting thru the loooooooong posts can be a real DOG of a day. For example: This post was (un-clipped) orginally about 8 previous posts long. It now has just enough for folks to know what the SINGLE previous post was. I "clipped off" the rest of those that have previously been posted before hitting the "Send" button. Not everyone can afford the time to sort thru all the posts included in the Daily Digest. Leave enough there so people dont' get confused about which post you are replying to. Just pick a place to start, hold down the left mouse button, drag to hi-lite what you are going to clip, R click and delete, then send. Bill On 8/24/2010 9:37 PM, Wilkins wrote: Bill Is doing a good job of reining in the snarkiness. Yes , hes more hard nosed about flaming and confrontation than I am, but that was the whole point of recruiting his help.I agree with Kathy we need to make this a comfortable place to come for information about MMS.I was getting uncomforable with the amount of contention we were experiencing.I expect once the list is free from that contention we wont have to be so tight on the moderation.We have a life saving substance here we need to share with those in need ,Most of us are here to learn and help each other.Lets keep that goal in mind. Thanks everyone for bearing with us as we iron out our moderating style. ch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 I personally am extremely disappointed that the flame against Tom has been completely ignored. More than disappointed even, stunned. Do as I say not as I do seems to be the rule. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Rest assured it was not ignored. The intent is not to ban everybody and their brother but to stop the contention and strife. The future remains to be seen, doesn't it! Hopefully I will not be required to take ANY further action. If no further action is required I will just fade away into the background. But, I will be paying attention. I've owned Staffordshire Terriers for 40+ years now. One can learn a lot watching those lovable little dogs. Whatever they are watching always gets the first move. Then, Katy bar the door. {:>D Problems are not solved with a new broom but selective surgery. Bill On 8/24/2010 11:12 PM, palulukon wrote: I personally am extremely disappointed that the flame against Tom has been completely ignored. More than disappointed even, stunned. Do as I say not as I do seems to be the rule. rose -- To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 On 2010-08-24 6:56 PM, bjordan <bjordan@...> wrote: > 4. Owners and Moderators back each other up 100% no questions asked. Even when one is wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 On 2010-08-25 2:35 AM, bjordan <bjordan@...> wrote: > On 8/24/2010 11:12 PM, palulukon wrote: >> I personally am extremely disappointed that the flame against Tom has >> been completely ignored. More than disappointed even, stunned. Do as >> I say not as I do seems to be the rule. > Rest assured it was not ignored. It certainly appeared so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Thats when we discuss things without the "kids" present.Never argue in front of the "kids" then they think they can get away with stuff cause Mommy disagrees with Daddy Wilkins > 4. Owners and Moderators back each other up 100% no questions asked.Even when one is wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 I've owned Staffordshire Terriers for 40+ years now. One can learn a lot watching those lovable little dogs. Whatever they are watching always gets the first move. Then, Katy bar the door. {:>D Afternoon Bill… I am very familiar with the breed having them ‘own me’ for um, 25 years. In rescue all kinds come thru our gate. I’ve also had the extreme pleasure and good fortune to learn in depth about the breed from the best of the best (imho). It is always very revealing (to me) when ppl tell me their breed ‘identification’ (if they have the need to have such). Thank you for this revelation. Explains a lot. rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Problems are not solved with a new broom but selective surgery. Bill If you judge people, you have no time to love them. Mother Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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